Waafrika ndivyo tulivyo?
Waafrika ndivyo tulivyo?
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The truth,
Hooo Hooo Hooo!...brother is that so!
Well ask those guys (Authors) whoever they are, why Korean of the Altaic origins seperated in 1948 followed by the war til 1953 had the North poor and the South rich. Or you also believe nation border separation can define the line of IQ measurement... come on now brother!....Does Wealth influences the national IQ or national IQ influences the wealth?
Check this out...They wrote:-
West Africans are significantly shorter in height than their distant cousins in America, most likely due to malnutrition and infections. The two African-born NBA superstars, Hakeem Olajuwon and Dikembe Mutombo, are both from the wa-benzi [people of the (Mercedes ) Benz]upper class. Only the elite in Africa gets enough food and health care to grow up to be NBA centers.
A reseacher uses term such as Wabenz....What a crap!....
Besides if it's true, than Mkapa and Mramba's son would have been 8 feet tall! Oooh, I forgot Hasheem Thabeet
father is definately without a doubt - Lowassa!
Hooo Hooo Hooo!...brother is that so!
Well ask those guys (Authors) whoever they are, why Korean of the Altaic origins seperated in 1948 followed by the war til 1953 had the North poor and the South rich. Or you also believe nation border separation can define the line of IQ measurement... come on now brother!....Does Wealth influences the national IQ or national IQ influences the wealth?
Check this out...They wrote:-
West Africans are significantly shorter in height than their distant cousins in America, most likely due to malnutrition and infections. The two African-born NBA superstars, Hakeem Olajuwon and Dikembe Mutombo, are both from the wa-benzi [people of the (Mercedes ) Benz]upper class. Only the elite in Africa gets enough food and health care to grow up to be NBA centers.
A reseacher uses term such as Wabenz....What a crap!....
Besides if it's true, than Mkapa and Mramba's son would have been 8 feet tall! Oooh, I forgot Hasheem Thabeet
father is definately without a doubt - Lowassa!
The difference in wealth between North and South Korea is caused mainly by the economic and political systems of two countries not IQ differences. What the authors are saying is if you introduce free markets economy in North Korea just like it was introduced in South Korea, North Korea will also prosper. Why? Because North Koreans are blessed with high IQ just like South Koreans.
Sub-Saharan Africa on the other hand is different. No matter what economic and political systems you introduce in the region, it will never look like South Korea or even Vietnam. Why? Because Africans on average have a lower IQ. That is their main point. And if you look at African countries that have embraced western style economic systems (such as Kenya), they are nowhere near South Korea in terms of success. Even China and other tiger economies of Asia (Malaysia, Singapore, etc) which have recently embraced free markets economic system are far ahead of Kenya and other African countries that have embraced the same economic reforms. So the authors must be right in some ways that IQ difference plays a major role in success of a nation.
You have missed their point. Your height is predetermine by your genetics but in order to fully realize your predetermined height you need good nutrition and good health during your growing years. This is what they are saying. Mkapa and Mramba sons without knowing their medical history probably have small stature or short stature genetics so no amount of good diet or good health will make them 8 feet tall. As far as Hasheem I am not sure how his upbringing was, did he not get good diet or did he not have good health while growing up?
The Truth,
To my understanding - having higher IQ would be the reason (maina reason) for making good judgment. how come North Korean with their high IQ failed to realise that with socialism isn't gonna work!
Oooh its political system now!..So it means someone has to work out a better policy for them to function better, right now their IQ has frozen til then..didn't know that!
To my understanding - having higher IQ would be the reason (maina reason) for making good judgment. how come North Korean with their high IQ failed to realise that with socialism isn't gonna work!
On the same purported notion, did they (authors) search and found out medical history, nutrition and all that crap prior to assessing Olajuwon or Mutombo height or was it enough to know that they are from the Wabenz..
I don't believe North Korea's embrace of communism (not socialism) disprove that they have high IQ. It's like saying Nyerere was dumb or stupid (low IQ individual) for embracing socialism. Or many other around the world including the Russians, Chinese, Vietnamese etc. The main point here is, when non-African communist countries move to free markets economy they prosper. When African countries do the same thing they don't prosper. Why? Same ideas but different people with different IQ levels that's why. Also the North Korea and many African countries embraced the same economic and political policies but how come North Korea is still far ahead of those African countries? This is another proof that the problem with Africa is not political nor economic but biological. Specifically low IQ of Africans.
You have taken mercedes benz phrase literally. I don't think the authors meant those guys grew up driving mercedes but more of a metaphor i.e. they were better off than a lot of people in Africa while growing up. Now what exactly is better off in Africa? Myself I lower the bar way down. I think if you live on dollar or more a day in Africa you are better off in Africa's terms. Why because most people live below that line.
Fundi Mchundo
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Now they are creeping out of the wood work! Same old, same old. Beyond contempt. Oops. Beneath contempt. Vile creatures, all of them.
The Truth,
Thank you!... thats exactly what those authors wanted us to believe..
Nyerere was black-African leader who, according to their reseach must be dump with low average IQ since he fits in as part of their studies on nations IQ bearing in mind national wealth. I did asked you ealier if wealth influences the national IQ or national IQ influences the wealth?... didn't got an answer...
Now it seems another factor has come to surface - Free market economy. Hypothesize that - Adopting Free market economy may make a significant contribution to the economy and quality of life of those with high IQ, but, if that is to be the case, first it must reach those nations....from where?
Who sits down think then convince those countries with high IQ that free market economy will results in igreat economic benefit. yet countries like N. Korea with their high IQ still fails to foresight simply because of policies imposed on themselve by themselve. Damn!...
The effectiveness of self imposed policies where higher IQ is supposed to be functioning isn't an excuse at all..higher IQ supposed to kick in during hardship, otherwise what the use of having higher IQ if circumstances such as policy can freeze the mind of better human.
Where does - Necessity is the mother of invention fits in?
Does high and low IQ function at certain level of good policy, environment or is it supposed to be the opposite?..Then what makes one differ to another given poor conditions! and how do you measure nation IQ if they never practice Free market economy!..
On Wabenz, brother read what they wrote, their exact words - Wa-benzi [people of the (Mercedes ) Benz]upper class Only the elite in Africa gets enough food and health care to grow up to be NBA centers.
Ask them about Japanese, Maley and Philippinos...their average height is hardly 5 feet ... shorter than average Africans of Sub - Sahara..Meaning (according to your dudes)we are the ELITE ones compared to Japanese!
Thank you!... thats exactly what those authors wanted us to believe..
Nyerere was black-African leader who, according to their reseach must be dump with low average IQ since he fits in as part of their studies on nations IQ bearing in mind national wealth. I did asked you ealier if wealth influences the national IQ or national IQ influences the wealth?... didn't got an answer...
Now it seems another factor has come to surface - Free market economy. Hypothesize that - Adopting Free market economy may make a significant contribution to the economy and quality of life of those with high IQ, but, if that is to be the case, first it must reach those nations....from where?
Who sits down think then convince those countries with high IQ that free market economy will results in igreat economic benefit. yet countries like N. Korea with their high IQ still fails to foresight simply because of policies imposed on themselve by themselve. Damn!...
The effectiveness of self imposed policies where higher IQ is supposed to be functioning isn't an excuse at all..higher IQ supposed to kick in during hardship, otherwise what the use of having higher IQ if circumstances such as policy can freeze the mind of better human.
Where does - Necessity is the mother of invention fits in?
Does high and low IQ function at certain level of good policy, environment or is it supposed to be the opposite?..Then what makes one differ to another given poor conditions! and how do you measure nation IQ if they never practice Free market economy!..
On Wabenz, brother read what they wrote, their exact words - Wa-benzi [people of the (Mercedes ) Benz]upper class Only the elite in Africa gets enough food and health care to grow up to be NBA centers.
Ask them about Japanese, Maley and Philippinos...their average height is hardly 5 feet ... shorter than average Africans of Sub - Sahara..Meaning (according to your dudes)we are the ELITE ones compared to Japanese!
Not true. I have said it before average IQ of 70 means there are individuals that score above that so I am not sure what makes you think the authors want you to believe that Nyerere was dumb. Where did you get that information?
Answer: National IQ influences wealth.
Now please answer my questions (without asking me questions to answer my questions). Just straight forward answers:
1) Why is that African countries that embrace the same free-markets economy as other countries in the world do not prosper?
2) Why is that African countries that did not embrace western style free-markets economy at the beginning are poorer compared to other countries that also did not embrace free-markets economy?
From western countries based on the principles conjured by Adam Smith.
Actually their policies worked up until the collapse of the Soviet Union. North Korea at some point in time had a higher economic growth rate than South Korea. I am sure it is not long before North Korea adapts the free markets economy just like China has and Russia. Then guess what? They will prosper but not Africa.
See above. They will do so eventually. As China being one of their biggest trading partner grows and America eager to open dialog with them, I foresee North Korea changing their policies.
I guess invention works if you have high enough IQ. If you are not blessed in the IQ lottery like Africans, then you can't invent anything...worthwhile.
Low IQ is useless regardless of good policy, that's why any policy adapted in Africa will not make a difference. High IQ will probably prosper given a good policy as evidence has shown.
The difference is IQ levels...
Current psychometric intelligence measures are pretty accurate so researchers can still collect IQ data even if a nation doesn't have free markets economy. In the case of Africa, this is a moot point because there are African countries that have embraced free markets economy but they are still backwards.
But what exactly is elite or upper class in Africa taking into consideration that there is no middle class?
I have already addressed this issue. Your height is predetermined by genetics, how and if you reach that predetermined height depends on your diet and health. So if Malays and Flips have predetermined short stature, there is nothing their diet or health can do. By the way I don't think that the average sub-Saharan African is that tall.
Mpaka 'tuteuliwe' kufanya majukumu yetu wenyewe!
2008-03-12 09:26:15
By Guardian Reporter
President Jakaya Kikwete has been appointed to a special commission for Africa formed by Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who will also chair it.
A State House press statement issued in Dar es Salaam yesterday said the commission would deal with issues relating to youths and employment in Africa.
The youth generation could be used to bring about development and welfare in Africa, the statement quoted Rasmussen as saying.
It added that the move had been prompted by the fact that half of sub-Saharan Africa`s population comprised under-18s.
The commission`s objectives revolve around climate change, education, economic growth, and efforts to ensure gender equality and equity.
Rasmussen places a premium on the need for a new outlook on ways of bringing about enhanced development and co-operation.
This includes assistance and policies able to help Africans have a clearer picture of their contribution to world development.
The Prime Minister said he had named President Kikwete to the commission ``for his great vision, experiences and leadership``.
According to the statement, the President has accepted the appointment ``because the objectives of the commission are in line with Tanzania`s own policy of empowering youths and increasing employment in a bid to eradicate poverty``.
The commission is set to hold its first meeting mid next month to draw up the strategies and plans of reaching its targets, with more meetings coming in the next one year.
``The recommendations of the commission and the results of its duties will be released in period of one year for implementation purposes,`` said the statement.
Other members of the commission are to be drawn from non-governmental and other social organisations but no names were given.
However, the statement said key development stakeholders from international organisations particularly from Africa, the private sector, as well as individual businesspeople and academics would also be involved in the commission`s meetings.
SOURCE: Guardian
2008-03-12 09:26:15
By Guardian Reporter
President Jakaya Kikwete has been appointed to a special commission for Africa formed by Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who will also chair it.
A State House press statement issued in Dar es Salaam yesterday said the commission would deal with issues relating to youths and employment in Africa.
The youth generation could be used to bring about development and welfare in Africa, the statement quoted Rasmussen as saying.
It added that the move had been prompted by the fact that half of sub-Saharan Africa`s population comprised under-18s.
The commission`s objectives revolve around climate change, education, economic growth, and efforts to ensure gender equality and equity.
Rasmussen places a premium on the need for a new outlook on ways of bringing about enhanced development and co-operation.
This includes assistance and policies able to help Africans have a clearer picture of their contribution to world development.
The Prime Minister said he had named President Kikwete to the commission ``for his great vision, experiences and leadership``.
According to the statement, the President has accepted the appointment ``because the objectives of the commission are in line with Tanzania`s own policy of empowering youths and increasing employment in a bid to eradicate poverty``.
The commission is set to hold its first meeting mid next month to draw up the strategies and plans of reaching its targets, with more meetings coming in the next one year.
``The recommendations of the commission and the results of its duties will be released in period of one year for implementation purposes,`` said the statement.
Other members of the commission are to be drawn from non-governmental and other social organisations but no names were given.
However, the statement said key development stakeholders from international organisations particularly from Africa, the private sector, as well as individual businesspeople and academics would also be involved in the commission`s meetings.
SOURCE: Guardian
Lunyungu
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Wazungu wanawachezea kwa kuwafanyia majaribio Viongozi wa Afrika then wanapenyeza mambo yao humo. Mkapa alikuwa mali ya Blair na JK sasa kawa wa hawa jamaa . JK nashangaa uwezo wake wa kuelewa .Anataka kusema atafaidika nini ili atimize ndoto zake na ajira za Vijana ? Au ndiyo kapata nafasi ya kusema nipeni mie ni commssioner kule tuna jipanga ?
Wakuu,
Mimi nitatofautiana na nyie juu ya hili. Alichofanya JK ni kitu kinaitwa positioning kwenye marketing au strategy. Yeye kwa sasa amekaa sehemu
ambapo viongozi na vyombo vya dunia vinamwona kama ni katika wawakilishi bora wa bara letu la Afrika.
Tatizo linalokuja kwa JK ni kwamba pamoja na kufanikiwa kukaa hapo mahali ambapo samaki wote wanapita kabla ya kuingia ziwani, yeye hajui namna ya kuwakamata hao samaki. Maana yangu ni kwamba positioning ni hatua nzuri ya kwanza lakini peke yake haitawaletea Watanzania maendeleo.
Kinachotakiwa ni kwa mheshimiwa kuwa na mipango mathubuti ambayo itafanya
misaada na mipango mingine ya maendeleo ambayo inathaminiwa na nchi mbalimbali inatumika kwenye kuwaletea maendeleo Watanzania ili baada ya muda tuweze kujitegemea na tusihitaji misaada tena.
Bahati mbaya sisi tunatumia misaada kwenye ulaji na anasa kiasi kwamba kwa mtindo huu, tutaendelea kuhitaji misaada kwa hata miaka 100.
Angalieni mifano ya Europe, jinsi nchi kama Ireland ilivyotumia misaada miaka ya 90 ili kujenga uchumi wao. Nchi kama Poland ilikuwa ya kwanza
kuwa mwakilishi wa mabadiliko ya Eastern Europe na walifaidika sana na hizo schemes mbalimbali za mataifa tajiri mpaka walivyokuja maskini kuliko wao.
Tusilaumu kila misaada au schemes zinazobuniwa kwa ajili ya Afrika. Kwa mfano kwa case ya UK, najua na naamini, Brown na kundi lake wanataka kweli Afrika ibadilike, ila hawajui wafanye nini maana kila wanachojaribu hakifanikiwi. Achana na hili la ubeberu wa West, kitu ambacho ni kweli lakini pia sasa kuna jitihada ya wazi ya watu wa kawaida ambao nao wanawalazimisha viongozi wao ili mabadiliko yafanyike Afrika.
Tatizo ni kwamba sisi wenyewe Afrika tumelala. Labda ifike mahali misaada
mbalimbali ielekezwe moja kwa moja kwa vijana wa Afrika ambao watakuwa tayari kufanya mabadiliko badala ya kupitishia serikalini ambako wanafikiria ulaji tu.
Ombi kwa JK, tumia hii nafasi kusaidia wananchi wako. Kuna mapesa mengi sana sasa duniani hapa ambayo yakitumiwa vizuri yanaweza kuzisaidia nchi zetu. Lazima misaada yoyote iende kwenye miradi ya maendeleo na faida inayopatikana itumike kudhamini miradi zaidi na zaidi.
Kenya wanaanza kupatana, wakipata attention yote itahamia kwao. Hii dunia
ya utandawazi ni kama uchangudoa, lazima uchume wakati bado unawateja. Uzuri ukipungua wote watakukimbia na kama hukujiandaa, hapo ni balaa tupu.
Mimi nitatofautiana na nyie juu ya hili. Alichofanya JK ni kitu kinaitwa positioning kwenye marketing au strategy. Yeye kwa sasa amekaa sehemu
ambapo viongozi na vyombo vya dunia vinamwona kama ni katika wawakilishi bora wa bara letu la Afrika.
Tatizo linalokuja kwa JK ni kwamba pamoja na kufanikiwa kukaa hapo mahali ambapo samaki wote wanapita kabla ya kuingia ziwani, yeye hajui namna ya kuwakamata hao samaki. Maana yangu ni kwamba positioning ni hatua nzuri ya kwanza lakini peke yake haitawaletea Watanzania maendeleo.
Kinachotakiwa ni kwa mheshimiwa kuwa na mipango mathubuti ambayo itafanya
misaada na mipango mingine ya maendeleo ambayo inathaminiwa na nchi mbalimbali inatumika kwenye kuwaletea maendeleo Watanzania ili baada ya muda tuweze kujitegemea na tusihitaji misaada tena.
Bahati mbaya sisi tunatumia misaada kwenye ulaji na anasa kiasi kwamba kwa mtindo huu, tutaendelea kuhitaji misaada kwa hata miaka 100.
Angalieni mifano ya Europe, jinsi nchi kama Ireland ilivyotumia misaada miaka ya 90 ili kujenga uchumi wao. Nchi kama Poland ilikuwa ya kwanza
kuwa mwakilishi wa mabadiliko ya Eastern Europe na walifaidika sana na hizo schemes mbalimbali za mataifa tajiri mpaka walivyokuja maskini kuliko wao.
Tusilaumu kila misaada au schemes zinazobuniwa kwa ajili ya Afrika. Kwa mfano kwa case ya UK, najua na naamini, Brown na kundi lake wanataka kweli Afrika ibadilike, ila hawajui wafanye nini maana kila wanachojaribu hakifanikiwi. Achana na hili la ubeberu wa West, kitu ambacho ni kweli lakini pia sasa kuna jitihada ya wazi ya watu wa kawaida ambao nao wanawalazimisha viongozi wao ili mabadiliko yafanyike Afrika.
Tatizo ni kwamba sisi wenyewe Afrika tumelala. Labda ifike mahali misaada
mbalimbali ielekezwe moja kwa moja kwa vijana wa Afrika ambao watakuwa tayari kufanya mabadiliko badala ya kupitishia serikalini ambako wanafikiria ulaji tu.
Ombi kwa JK, tumia hii nafasi kusaidia wananchi wako. Kuna mapesa mengi sana sasa duniani hapa ambayo yakitumiwa vizuri yanaweza kuzisaidia nchi zetu. Lazima misaada yoyote iende kwenye miradi ya maendeleo na faida inayopatikana itumike kudhamini miradi zaidi na zaidi.
Kenya wanaanza kupatana, wakipata attention yote itahamia kwao. Hii dunia
ya utandawazi ni kama uchangudoa, lazima uchume wakati bado unawateja. Uzuri ukipungua wote watakukimbia na kama hukujiandaa, hapo ni balaa tupu.
Mbu
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Inabidi saa nyingine nianze kwa kujifanyia self analysis (ya kiukweli ukweli) mfano kwa kutumia SWOT;
nini Strengths zangu binafsi (Ki imani, ki elimu, afya , upeo wa kufikiri, busara ya maamuzi etc etc);
nini Weakness zangu (labda Choyo?, wivu, tamaa, Uroho, Uzinzi, huruma, au uwezo? etc);
nini Opportunities zangu (zilizo ndani ya uwezo wangu na wanaonizunguka);
nini Threats zinazonikabili katika mzunguko mzima wa maisha/shughuli zangu? ("Kurogwa"?, kudhalilishwa, kufilisiwa, Job security je?, kunyang'anywa leseni etc etc;
Kisha katika huu umri wangu na ninakoelekea, nini? Priority kubwa kwa maisha yangu...
(kwa mfano) katika mpangilio 1-5, ni lipi nalipa UMUHIMU wa kwanza na lipi sehemu ya mwisho??
1. Kujiendeleza, Kujiwezesha na kuridhika kwa mafanikio niyapatayo?
2. Kujulikana kwa umaarufu wa kipato, kielimu, matanuzi, au mademu etc...?
3. Kupendeka/kuheshimika na familia, kazini, kwenye jumuiya etc etc..?
4. Usalama (Stability) kazini/biashara, familia, nyumnani etc, etc...?
5. Mahitaji ya kawaida tu; Malazi, makazi, chakula, kulala etc...
Halafu nakuja kwenye Vipi uwezo wangu wa kupanga mpangilio wa MAENDELEO ya maisha/shughuli zangu, je uwezo wangu upeo wake unazidi mwaka mmoja/miaka mitano etc? au uwezo wangu wa kufikiri haukidhi hata kujipangia zaidi ya siku/wiki/ mwezi mmoja?
huenda majibu ya haya yote yananisaidia kujijua Jinsi nilivyo, halafu nikiwaangalia viongozi wetu, naona Taswira yangu na wenzangu tuloshiriki kuwachagua viongozi hao.
Kwa maoni yangu, hata kama ni 80% (tu) hivyo ndivyo tulivyo.
Mwafrika wa Kike
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Kweli kabisa mtanzania, ni kweli kabisa kuwa Kikwete yuko kwenye position nzuri sana ya kufanikisha mengi hasa katika miezi hii michache iliyosalia ya uongozi wa Bush na influence ya conservative govt europe - German na France. Akichelewa, mambo yatabadilika na watakuja wale ambao hawasaidii afrika kwa interest kama walizonazo kina Bushi.
Wananchi wengi bado wanampenda Kikwete na laiti angetumia hii fursa basi angefanikisha mengi. Wasiwasi wangu ni kuwa the guy anaogopa sana kuvunja urafiki kuliko kusaidia watanzania!
The Truth,
Thanx again!.. that means smarter people (nation) are more likely to get rich than those crowded in the bottom of the bell curve with low IQ. Yet we found some countries highly ranked (N.Korea), but due to certain factors such as Free market economy they have failed... til then.
Brother, A Free market economy is an economy in which the allocation for resources is determined only by their supply and the demand for them (economics).
North Korea is no exceptional they do embrace Free market economy but with closed border to the west...They don't practice Open economy (trade with other economies), normally we measure country's openness as the fraction of its GDP devoted to imports and exports. Now national wealth are then determained through a formulated principal as such without considering the price paid for, contracts or condtions during the exchange.
So my brother, Free market economy has been practiced everywhere from individuals to countries.. It's mainly a theoretical concept, as every country places restrictions on the ownership and exchange of commodities. That where we differ...POLITICS! and that's where Africans have failed.
Both Capitalism, Communist, Socialism e.t.c have been placed on us, plays their roll as wealth of original economic theories causing irrefutable logical arguments in defense of economic freedom and country's sovereignty and integrity. Politics have been and will always be the reason for our failure since it has ana upper hand in African countries economy.
There is a very thin line here for a country to gain a lot from the west yet loose every thing at the end.
Wealth = Net worth:- The difference between one's assets and liabilities. added equity, pay, cash, stocks and any valuable goods, then subtracted all debts.
On individual basis, you don't have to be a genius (high IQ) to manage your money... that is a fact.
So my brother don't tell me IQ has anything to do with wealth if factors such as demand, choice of proffession, policies implied can be the force between success and failure. Bakhresa may be wealthy (rich) than our Prof. Shivji but I don't think he has higher IQ than the Prefessor, on the other side - There those who are living poor and loving it since they don't require much of western commodities cause it seems adopting western culture could be translated to been wealth. Those with little expossure, less influenced to (primitive) are more likely to be lebelled poor or with low IQ. - in this case The masai is the very proof.
Thanx for this debate!.. I had good time discussing..
Will answer your question!
Thanx again!.. that means smarter people (nation) are more likely to get rich than those crowded in the bottom of the bell curve with low IQ. Yet we found some countries highly ranked (N.Korea), but due to certain factors such as Free market economy they have failed... til then.
Brother, A Free market economy is an economy in which the allocation for resources is determined only by their supply and the demand for them (economics).
North Korea is no exceptional they do embrace Free market economy but with closed border to the west...They don't practice Open economy (trade with other economies), normally we measure country's openness as the fraction of its GDP devoted to imports and exports. Now national wealth are then determained through a formulated principal as such without considering the price paid for, contracts or condtions during the exchange.
So my brother, Free market economy has been practiced everywhere from individuals to countries.. It's mainly a theoretical concept, as every country places restrictions on the ownership and exchange of commodities. That where we differ...POLITICS! and that's where Africans have failed.
Both Capitalism, Communist, Socialism e.t.c have been placed on us, plays their roll as wealth of original economic theories causing irrefutable logical arguments in defense of economic freedom and country's sovereignty and integrity. Politics have been and will always be the reason for our failure since it has ana upper hand in African countries economy.
There is a very thin line here for a country to gain a lot from the west yet loose every thing at the end.
Wealth = Net worth:- The difference between one's assets and liabilities. added equity, pay, cash, stocks and any valuable goods, then subtracted all debts.
On individual basis, you don't have to be a genius (high IQ) to manage your money... that is a fact.
So my brother don't tell me IQ has anything to do with wealth if factors such as demand, choice of proffession, policies implied can be the force between success and failure. Bakhresa may be wealthy (rich) than our Prof. Shivji but I don't think he has higher IQ than the Prefessor, on the other side - There those who are living poor and loving it since they don't require much of western commodities cause it seems adopting western culture could be translated to been wealth. Those with little expossure, less influenced to (primitive) are more likely to be lebelled poor or with low IQ. - in this case The masai is the very proof.
Thanx for this debate!.. I had good time discussing..
Yes but the point you seem to be missing is North Korea is capable of success (regardless of whether they have failed so far) but Africa isn't. No matter what policy you implement in Africa the outcome is the same. This tells me that economic nor political policies are to blame. It is something else...mainly biological. (Hint: something that rhymes with low I-you).
That's not true. North Korea has a government controlled economy. This idea contradicts free market economy so they do not embrace free market economy.
Thanks for the lesson on Open economy but I never asked for it. I am sure I can look it up on Wikipedia myself.
See above. State controlled economy as practiced in North Korea contradicts free market economy so you can't have both.
Those "POLITICS" have been and are applied in similar manner in other parts of the world. How come those other parts of the world do not fail in similar way as Africa? What makes Africa different? Are you going to blame colonialism? Or are you going to blame slavery? Questions Mkandara.....questions!! Think Think Think!!!! (Hint: I have already given you a hint)
Again...thanks for the accounting lesson but I never asked for it.
True, but high IQ will go a long way in helping you generate money. Modern life rewards high IQ. You can just look at professions that require significant degree of intelligence (e.g. doctor, engineer, ivy-league MBA etc) they all have great financial rewards. There are few exceptions of course (See your own post below)
See my post above...LOL!
We don't label IQ score....we measure it! Psychometric tests exist that will gauge your IQ level with a very high degree of accuracy. The figures on the 2 books I presented were not merely labels but hard data.
So soon? Oh well....maybe someone else can pick up where you left off.
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**Its Been years before Countries like US could implement and Display such a high standard of Democracy,yet they expect it to happen overnight in Kenya??
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President Calls It A Day
The Nation (Nairobi)
NEWS
31 March 2008
Posted to the web 31 March 2008
By Wene Owino
Gaborone
President Festus Mogae of Botswana hands over power to Ian Khama on Tuesday, joining the small group of African leaders who have left office without seeking to extend their rule.
The smooth transition follows the example set by his predecessor, Sir Ketumile Masire, who stepped down in 1998, even though he had 11 more years to go.
Contrary to what many African leaders would have done, Masire did not contest elections in 1999 and 2004 to complete the newly introduced limit of two five-year terms. He had already been in power for 18 years, and there was nothing preventing him from exploiting the new law, like former Kenyan President Daniel arap Moi and Uganda's Yoweri Museveni did.
However, he not only declined to rule for another two terms, but also heeded calls from within the party and stepped down 18 months before the end of his final term.
Mogae, his hand-picked successor, is similarly giving away 18 months before the next general elections after serving two five-year terms.
In reality, however, Mogae has not served 10 years because, for the first 18 months, he was completing Masire's term. But the Batswana and their leaders are faithful to conventions. That is why the matter of a third term for Mogae fizzled out within a week when the local Press tried to make it an issue at a time when a similar debate was raging in Nigeria and South Africa.
During his last days in office, Mogae has been at peace with himself. He has toured the country bidding the people goodbye and has already moved out of State House.
During Mogae's 10-year rule, Botswana maintained its reputation as a politically and economically stable country. This is despite the fact that he was once derided as a reluctant president, a serial goofer, a shrinking president and a political coward. Early in his presidency, he committed a series of political blunders, one of which resulted in the country's first and only state of emergency.
In 1999, an error by the Attorney-General's office saw Mogae sign the writ for the general elections before the names of over 60,000 registered voters were entered into the voters'roll. To correct the anomaly, he took the drastic measure of declaring a state of emergency, which allowed him to recall an already dissolved parliament to pass a law to include the voters in the roll.
He then confronted the media to own up to the goof and take personal responsibility although the Attorney-General's office was responsible for the blunder.
Another slip-up involving Mogae led to the postponement of a national referendum for reform and a subsequent court case of unprecedented proportions. Once again, the blunder originated from then attorney-general, Phandu Skelemani, now Presidential Affairs Minister.
A commission was set up to look into the matter but after it completed its work, Skelemani went to court and sued the president and himself as the AG. The case arose after Mogae insisted that the state would not pay for the AG's legal costs when he appeared before the commission probing the referendum mess.
Skelemani appeared before the commission with a highly-paid South African lawyer and countered that the state must foot the bill because he was being probed as the AG and not in his personal capacity. This set the stage for a major battle, with Mogae hiring a South African advocate to represent him.
He insisted that as the AG, Skelemani would also represent him in the case. But as the nation was preparing for a major battle, the matter was settled out of court in a deal believed to have been very favourable to Skelemani.
The Nation (Nairobi)
NEWS
31 March 2008
Posted to the web 31 March 2008
By Wene Owino
Gaborone
President Festus Mogae of Botswana hands over power to Ian Khama on Tuesday, joining the small group of African leaders who have left office without seeking to extend their rule.
The smooth transition follows the example set by his predecessor, Sir Ketumile Masire, who stepped down in 1998, even though he had 11 more years to go.
Contrary to what many African leaders would have done, Masire did not contest elections in 1999 and 2004 to complete the newly introduced limit of two five-year terms. He had already been in power for 18 years, and there was nothing preventing him from exploiting the new law, like former Kenyan President Daniel arap Moi and Uganda's Yoweri Museveni did.
However, he not only declined to rule for another two terms, but also heeded calls from within the party and stepped down 18 months before the end of his final term.
Mogae, his hand-picked successor, is similarly giving away 18 months before the next general elections after serving two five-year terms.
In reality, however, Mogae has not served 10 years because, for the first 18 months, he was completing Masire's term. But the Batswana and their leaders are faithful to conventions. That is why the matter of a third term for Mogae fizzled out within a week when the local Press tried to make it an issue at a time when a similar debate was raging in Nigeria and South Africa.
During his last days in office, Mogae has been at peace with himself. He has toured the country bidding the people goodbye and has already moved out of State House.
During Mogae's 10-year rule, Botswana maintained its reputation as a politically and economically stable country. This is despite the fact that he was once derided as a reluctant president, a serial goofer, a shrinking president and a political coward. Early in his presidency, he committed a series of political blunders, one of which resulted in the country's first and only state of emergency.
In 1999, an error by the Attorney-General's office saw Mogae sign the writ for the general elections before the names of over 60,000 registered voters were entered into the voters'roll. To correct the anomaly, he took the drastic measure of declaring a state of emergency, which allowed him to recall an already dissolved parliament to pass a law to include the voters in the roll.
He then confronted the media to own up to the goof and take personal responsibility although the Attorney-General's office was responsible for the blunder.
Another slip-up involving Mogae led to the postponement of a national referendum for reform and a subsequent court case of unprecedented proportions. Once again, the blunder originated from then attorney-general, Phandu Skelemani, now Presidential Affairs Minister.
A commission was set up to look into the matter but after it completed its work, Skelemani went to court and sued the president and himself as the AG. The case arose after Mogae insisted that the state would not pay for the AG's legal costs when he appeared before the commission probing the referendum mess.
Skelemani appeared before the commission with a highly-paid South African lawyer and countered that the state must foot the bill because he was being probed as the AG and not in his personal capacity. This set the stage for a major battle, with Mogae hiring a South African advocate to represent him.
He insisted that as the AG, Skelemani would also represent him in the case. But as the nation was preparing for a major battle, the matter was settled out of court in a deal believed to have been very favourable to Skelemani.
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