Waafrika ndivyo tulivyo?

[Ab-Titchaz]

Well the population voted for him (Kibaki) the first time, no? Also what makes you think the new elected leader (Odinga) is any better? If he turns out to be just another African despot (as the odds suggest) what would you say then? Ultimately we have to blame the population.

The Truth,

Understand what people are fighting for in Kenya is a system that
works...a system that is free of manipulation as is the case right now.

You are right that people voted Kibaki in 02 lakini jamaa
hakudeliver and this time around wakataka a different individual...Raila Odinga.
Kama Raila hatoweza, atapigiwa kura mtu mwengine.Thats what its about.

The population(read majority) did not vote for Kibaki na kwa hivyo they cannot
be blamed.The guy eho manipulated the system for whatever reasons,
bears the responsibility of whatever the
outcome of this debacle.

Chukua mfano wa Zimbabwe.If Mugabe claims victory by saying he won in a free and a fair election itakuaje?Are we going to blame the people therein?Ndugu yangu in Africa the political systems dont work as they are supposed to and even if they do, they are open to blatant manipulation.Hii biashara ya kusema..."aah bwana sisi wabongo/waafrika ndivyo tulivyo" needs to be looked at again.Thats my word.

Asanteni.

 

[The Truth]

The Truth,

Understand what people are fighting for in Kenya is a system that
works...a system that is free of manipulation as is the case right now.

You are right that people voted Kibaki in 02 lakini jamaa
hakudeliver and this time around wakataka a different individual...Raila Odinga.
Kama Raila hatoweza, atapigiwa kura mtu mwengine.Thats what its about.

The population(read majority) did not vote for Kibaki na kwa hivyo they cannot
be blamed.The guy eho manipulated the system for whatever reasons,
bears the responsibility of whatever the
outcome of this debacle.

Chukua mfano wa Zimbabwe.If Mugabe claims victory by saying he won in a free and a fair election itakuaje?Are we going to blame the people therein?Ndugu yangu in Africa the political systems dont work as they are supposed to and even if they do, they are open to blatant manipulation.Hii biashara ya kusema..."aah bwana sisi wabongo/waafrika ndivyo tulivyo" needs to be looked at again.Thats my word.

Asanteni.

It's interesting you mention Mugabe. Didn't the population support him initially when he started land re-distribution? Didn't the population see that would be disastrous in the end? Why do Africans keep electing bad leaders over and over again? Why are Africans so easily manipulated by these bad leaders?

The answers to the above questions lie in the fundamental truth that Africans have a low average IQ that make all the above possible. There is simply no other explanation anyone can come up with.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

It's interesting you mention Mugabe. Didn't the population support him initially when he started land re-distribution? Didn't the population see that would be disastrous in the end? Why do Africans keep electing bad leaders over and over again? Why are Africans so easily manipulated by these bad leaders?

The answers to the above questions lie in the fundamental truth that Africans have a low average IQ that make all the above possible. There is simply no other explanation anyone can come up with.

Yes there is: Ours (Africa) are fledling democracies...

 

[Hauxtable]

But America didn't start off their democracy in the same way Kenya has. George Washington willingly gave up power, and so did all of his immediate successors. There has been no civil unrest after any American presidential election as far as I know. So what is the difference between Kenyans and Americans?

Ohh!!,Its Perfectly Simple!:
Kenya,and in many African Countries We have RULERS and not LEADERS,and once in POWER, they only think of WHAT THEIR COUNTRIES WOULD DO FOR THEM and not WHAT THEY WOULD DO FOR THEIR NATIONS!!
You talk of the 1st US president(Washington)willingly Giving up power,just look at what is happening in Zim.at the moment Mugabe by clinging onto power for so long he ended-up Destroying even what he Built,what consistency would you expect out of a place like that?
**THE TRUTH😛residency in Africa is an opportunity to Economicaly Enrich Individuals and the chosen few who surround Them.!!

 

[The Truth]

Yes there is: Ours (Africa) are fledling democracies...

It is more than that otherwise the same pattern we see in Africa would have been seen across all democracies in the world. See my previous post about America for example. There must be something about Africans that facilitate this mess....what is it? Low average IQ is the only explanation.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

It is more than that otherwise the same pattern we see in Africa would have been seen across all democracies in the world. See my previous post about America for example. There must be something about Africans that facilitate this mess....what is it? Low average IQ is the only explanation.

It's premature to say that it is the low IQ average that's causing the mess. I'm not prepared to say that yet. We are going through some growing pains right now. Give it time and things will eventually come together.

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

It is more than that otherwise the same pattern we see in Africa would have been seen across all democracies in the world. See my previous post about America for example. There must be something about Africans that facilitate this mess....what is it? Low average IQ is the only explanation.

Hio ishu ya low IQ naona ni kama unailazimisha down our throats.
Je kushakuwa na empirical evidence for such statements?Kisha do you reaise kuna watu wenye high IQ's who also vote for despots?
It is more than low average IQ as you would like us to believe!

 

[Hauxtable]

It is more than that.... what is it? Low average IQ is the only explanation.

....May be its in our Genes....

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

It's premature to say that it is the low IQ average that's causing the mess. I'm not prepared to say that yet. We are going through some growing pains right now. Give it time and things will eventually come together.

Nakubali kabisa na mtazamo wako Bw Nyani Ngabu.
There is more to this mess than saying a low average IQ by
Africans causes them to vote for our kind of leaders.
There are more underlying factors that pertain to young
democracies!

 

[The Truth]

It's premature to say that it is the low IQ average that's causing the mess. I'm not prepared to say that yet. We are going through some growing pains right now. Give it time and things will eventually come together.

Africans have had plenty of time to get their act together. This is more than growing pains. It is something else.

 

[The Truth]

Nakubali kabisa na mtazamo wako Bw Nyani Ngabu.
There is more to this mess than saying a low average IQ by
Africans causes them to vote for our kind of leaders.
There are more underlying factors that pertain to young
democracies!

All functioning democracies (e.g. America, India, Western Europe) were once young yet the population never did what Africans have been doing. Maybe you can point out those underlying factors you are referring to. What are they?

 

[The Truth]

....May be its in our Genes....

There was some scientific research done that arrived to that very conclusion about Africans. That is Africans have lost out in the genetic lottery. Since IQ score is largely genetic based, that research makes a lot of sense when it comes to Africans.

 

[Hauxtable]

Anyway,habari njema ni kuwa angalau kuna MAKUBALIANO kati ya Kibaki na Raila juu ya kuunda baraza la mawaziri la MSETO,twaelekeza Macho/masikio yetu Kenya,tunawatakia mafanikio katika hilo, huenda nasi tukapata(wa-Tz)ufumbuzi juu ya 'MUAFAKA'

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Africans have had plenty of time to get their act together. This is more than growing pains. It is something else.

What do you consider plenty of time?

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

All functioning democracies (e.g. America, India, Western Europe) were once young yet the population never did what Africans have been doing. Maybe you can point out those underlying factors you are referring to. What are they?

America fought a civil war
India has had assassinations and more...

 

[Steve Dii]

There was some scientific research done that arrived to that very conclusion about Africans. That is Africans have lost out in the genetic lottery. Since IQ score is largely genetic based, that research makes a lot of sense when it comes to Africans.

You'd be an inherently pudden-head being to believe that IQ is some kinda lottery from outer space where some have been blessedly showered with and some sprinkled. Your argument on IQ is a dazed one and nothing short of bigot due to cultural difference, reality cecity and likely circumstantial wealth.

I wonder if you could stand a chance if me and you stood before a university challenge match to explain what IQ is. Your fraught and dodgy over-glorified pursue to evident the demeaning of other races is repugnant and self-demeaning.

 

[The Truth]

You'd be an inherently pudden-head being to believe that IQ is some kinda lottery from outer space where some have been blessedly showered with and some sprinkled. Your argument on IQ is a dazed one and nothing short of bigot due to cultural difference, reality cecity and likely circumstantial wealth.

No, you have it the other way around. Cultural difference, wealth etc. are more influenced by IQ and not vice versa. Your IQ is pretty much set at birth i.e. you have won the genetic lottery or you have lost. Any other efforts simply parents take to cultivate their kids intellect simply build on what is already there.

I wonder if you could stand a chance if me and you stood before a university challenge match to explain what IQ is. Your fraught and dodgy over-glorified pursue to evident the demeaning of other races is repugnant and self-demeaning.

I am simply the messenger so I would appreciate if you don't kill me. You may hate the message I deliver when it comes IQ of Africans but I am not to blame. I am not responsible for IQ scores in Africa. Perhaps you would rather I not bring it up at all...but that would be like ignoring a pink elephant sitting in your living room.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Hahahahaaaa....classic Raj Patel

 

[The Truth]

What do you consider plenty of time?

Since the beginning of humanity, since the end of slave trade, since the end of colonialism, since the end of one-party system pick any of those as your time line and your result will be the same. Even if we start today forward, come ten years the elected African leaders will be the same way.

 

[Steve Dii]

No, you have it the other way around. Cultural difference, wealth etc. are more influenced by IQ and not vice versa. Your IQ is pretty much set at birth i.e. you have won the genetic lottery or you have lost. Any other efforts simply parents take to cultivate their kids intellect simply build on what is already there.



I am simply the messenger so I would appreciate if you don't kill me. You may hate the message I deliver when it comes IQ of Africans but I am not to blame. I am not responsible for IQ scores in Africa. Perhaps you would rather I not bring it up at all...but that would be like ignoring a pink elephant sitting in your living room.

....and you expect me to breathe in flatulences off a Periyar pink elephant grazing at JF let alone ignore one from Mikumi?!! You seem so deluded as to why you bring such argument but also keep on huckstering the idea around its perimeter without substantiating or conquering it yourself...."ooh, i'm simply a messenger"... Would i be wrong if i just called you a messenger of hate?!

When the Germans elected Hitler did they know what was coming? or were they in possession of low IQ? When Iraqis elected Sadam were they in possession of low IQ? In the Balkans the same,Millosovic, according to you - low IQ? In the middle east people are fighting everyday, according to you that would be low IQ? In Saud Arabia they are rich because of oil, but you say - wealth due to high IQ. Mandela elected in SA and successful led the country in difficult times - low IQ or high? Cuba's Castro legacy- a country with one of the best health system but many poor people, what do you say... low or high? India, cows crossing roads in downtown Mumbai, street beggars almost in every corner mingling and criss crossing high streets with the affluent - what d'you say - low or high IQ? There are innumerable examples to trash your concept, i don't have to go through'em all.

Man, if you wanna discuss IQ, start or find a specific thread so we can have a meaningful debate. Otherwise when you try to tell us that IQ is the sole reason for political crises in Africa , you ain't doing us or yourself any favor, instead you are demonstrating the genic racial hatred in you.