Don't bet against Magufuli, utaliwa...

[Mkaruka]

Magufuli hatabiriki.

Magufuli si kiongozi imara.

Magufuli si kiongozi imara kwa sababu hatabiriki.

Kiongozi asiyetabirikanikiongozi asiye na principle. Kiongozi mwenye principle anatabirikakwa principle zake.

Kiongozi asiye na principle hawezikuwa kiongozi imara.

Hapoutaona sababu inayomfanya Magufuli asitabirike ndiyo hiyo hiyo inayomfanya asiwe kiongozi imara.

Endelea kuisoma namba. Jifunze kula kwa jasho kama wengine

 

[Al-Watan]

Endelea kuisoma namba. Jifunze kula kwa jasho kama wengine

Mi nimeondoka huko wanakoisoma namba miakaishirini sasa.

Kwa sababu nilishapangiwa kila kitu na sikuwa na nafasi ya kula kwa jasho langu.

Huku niliko ndiko nakula kwajasho langu na vitegauchumi vyangu.

Kwa hiyo usikisie kisie tu kwamba kila anayesematofauti anasemahivyo kwa sababu anaisoma namba.

Wengine upuuzi huu tulishauona kitambo sana unakuja tukasepa.

Na tunasoma mpaka muziki, kwa hobby na kupumzika, na namba za Sir Roger Penrose, nini namba za Magufuli.

 

[BarTender]

Kesi ni ya Kuhujumu uchumi, sidhani kama inahusiana na mambo ya Escrow.

Itakuwa kama ya Ndama Mtoto ya Ng'ombe tu. Faini millioni mia tatu kila mmoja kisha watapita hivi

 

[Rutashubanyuma]

Watu wamepiga magoti waliozoea kusimama. Betting against Magufuli is not that wise after all. Mtu atakula hadi king!

Wahamisha magoli wawe waangalifu

Can the means justify the ends? Certainly, not!

 

[The Invincible]

Hujielewi. Too cheap to argue with

Wewe ndio hujitambui;
Jamaa anashindwa ku-deliver, analeta drama.

 

[Al-Watan]

Pesa za mamvi zitakuburuza mpaka kiama

Uhusiano wangu mimi,pesa na Tanzania nikwamba mimi napeleka pesa tu Tanzania. Mwakawa ishirini huu sasa.

Sijawahikupokea pesa iliyotokaTanzania au kwa Mtanzania.

Hata niliowakopesha nikifikiria rumba lahuko nawasamehe tu.

Sasa unapoongelea pesa za mamvi nafikiri utakuwa unanichanganya na mtu mwingine.

Ama hivyo ama wewe ni guluguja ambaye unafikiri kila anayemhoji Magufuli, lazima ni mtu anayelipwana Lowassa.

Lowassa nishamchana sana hapa.

 

[Mkaruka]

Uhusiano wangu mimi,pesa na Tanzania nikwamba mimi napeleka pesa tu Tanzania. Mwakawa ishirini huu sasa.

Sijawahikupokea pesa iliyotokaTanzania au kwa Mtanzania.

Hata niliowakopesha nikifikiria rumba lahuko nawasamehe tu.

Sasa unapoongelea pesa za mamvi nafikiri utakuwa unanichanganya na mtu mwingine.

Ama hivyo ama wewe ni guluguja ambaye unafikiri kila anayemhoji Magufuli, lazima ni mtu anayelipwana Lowassa.

Lowassa nishamchana sana hapa.

Naona unaporomosha gazeti baada ya gazeti. What a desperate moron !

 

[CHE Raptino]

At least tunaanza kuona mwezi!

 

[Al-Watan]

Naona unaporomosha gazeti baada ya gazeti. What a desperate moron !

If I am a moron, you are a bigger moron quoting and engaging with a moron.

Umeshindwa hoja unaleta viroja

Unaleta furushi la matusi.

Hayo ndiyo unaweza kueleza bila kuteleza?

 

[Nnangale]

Hivi unadhani kumpigisha magoti Karasinga mchezo?

siyo mchezo lkn si ina furahisha.

 

[IDEGENDA]

Hapa ni dalili kuubwa kabisa ya kukosa Noah zetu! hoja ya Accacia inafungwa rasmi ukiangalia kwa darubini!

Ee... Si mmezoea, kwani ishu ya bashite iko wapi? Ya madawa iko wapi

 

[HIMARS]

Siri ya mtungi aijuae kata

 

[Kifyatu]

It is distasteful lumping together a certain society's trait on one person of that society and vice versa. You talked about generalizing. That is generalizing that gave rise to slavery and apartheid.

When I talked about Bob I actually was generalizing about all westerners who come to Africa and questioning our low levels of development while knowing full well it is their multinationals who are corrupting our leaders and siphoning off our wealth. Where does he get off asking a question like that.

One would have to start with an unimpeachable clarity of mission and purpose. For example,sheltering Kikwete (and his ilk of enablers) for what he did as Minister while going at Acacia is inconsistently troubling.

Kikwete is suspiciously in Canada at this very moment. What is he doing? Why Canada? Why now of all times?

If you read the constitution about the presidential immunity it is clear that we cannot touch Kikwete. It absolves him of everything he did before, during and even after his term as the president.

There is a rationale for this. It is a pragmatic one. If this immunity is lifted then we will enter into the era where presidents cling to power (Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, or DRC, come to mind here) and will have tumultuous transitions from one goverment to another for fear of prosecution. So, we have a choice:
1. Drag all past presidents to court and risk an unstable system of governance, or
2. Overlook mistakes done by past presidents and have a smooth transition between governments.

The beauty of option #2 is that we can reign in presidential excesses when they are in office by having a strong opposition that will oversee the government operations. Moreover, this system gives us smooth transitions and allows past presidents to invest their wealth (legitimate or otherwise) in the country instead of in Swiss banks.

My kingdom is not of this world as the wise sage said.

Wow. Devine inspiration huh? You speak like Tanzanian Messiah, incarnate.

There are no solutions that do not germinate from criticism.

Moreover, to a Borg collective minded person, even a detailed solution would look at a detailed critique.

There is an entire book to be written about what is to be done.I hardly have the time. I will give a few nuggets, not by any chance comprehensive or detailed.

Enough pontification already. Spill them out.

We need to be more inclusive, lack of inclusivity hinders our advancement by limiting our talent pool. To his credit, in a very questionable and lackadaisical way, Magufuli can claim to increase inclusivity with his recent appointments of opposition leaders in his government (albeit the criticism is that he is silencing them). The public reading of the famed reports was itself inclusive in that the public got to hear what was written. We have had far too many of these reports that were not made public.

See. I am not all about criticism. I can give a backhanded compliment.

So, you are saying, Magufuli is doing the right things so far. Why veil this compliment in a shroud of venomous criticisms to start with?

A step further, to increase inclusivity and transparent, would be to make doing it.The World Bank is highly recommending this as a step to curb corruption.

Lack of transparency is a factor that encourages corruption. If Magufuli is really serious about corruption, he should increase inclusivity and transparency.

Also, one cannot have inclusivity and transparency if the opposition is practically banned from employing its constitutional rights to association.

There we go again, more compliments to Magufuli.

With regard to the opposition, those guys are totally bankrupt when it comes to political strategies. The moment they lost their cash cow "fight against mafisadi" by inviting the fisadi-papas they were criticising in the past, they lost their moral highground, not to be regained for eons.

The opposition were desperate to gain their past glory by instigating seditious activities (remember UKUTA?) to bring chaos and make the country ungovernable. Tell me, which country in the world (developed or not) would allow a group of people to instigate chaos in the country in the name of political freedom? None.

In addition, Magufuli cannot say he is serious about corruption if he does not nab at least one Big Papa of corruption.I am talking Kikwete level of Big Papa. We cannot sit here and pretend that Magufuliis serious about corruption while he was part and parcel of the whole deal and he swore to protect people like Kikwete. I am specifically mentioning Kikwete because Mkapa is largely protected by Presidential Immunity, Kikwete started signing this documents while still a minister and therefore the presidential immunity does not apply back then. Magufuli cannot use the presidential immunitu card to say that Kikwete is untouchable, he is not.

I will fully support Magufuli and say he is serious about grand corruption the day he allows an unbiased investigation into the role Kikwete played.

For now, anything else less than that is a political charade designed to boost Magufuli's standing but with no real substance.

Especially if Kikwete is roaming somewhere in Canada doing god atoms know what with whom, it is not far fetched to think that he is acting as an unofficial go between between Magufuliand Barrick Gold, cutting lord knows what kinds of deals under the table.

That's just the preface of the summary of the tip of the iceberg.

I already addressed this above.

So, in summary you really agree with the path taken by Magufuli, albeit, a slow path.

It is unfortunate you live outside the country but things look promising back home. While life is a daily struggle for ordinary Tanzanians, but Magufuli's policies and his style of governance is likely to make the country prosperous in a not so distant future. The prognosis looks very good Sir.

 

[kichakaa man]

[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] huyo muhindi nazan anajuta kwanin hajakimbia Tz mapema aiseee kwel uncle maguful hatak ujinga . kaza kaza Mzee had warudishee pesa zote walizoiba

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Kwa Magufuli kila goti la fisadi litapigwa

 

[Al-Watan]

When I talked about Bob I actually was generalizing about all westerners who come to Africa and questioning our low levels of development while knowing full well it is their multinationals who are corrupting our leaders and siphoning off our wealth. Where does he get off asking a question like that.

Are you for generalization or against generalization? One minute you were asking me to not generalize, the next you are sprouting the flowery merits of generalization. Can you be consistent? How can we hope to have an intelligible discussion if you are all over the map like a migrating bird?

Bob Geldof asked a question. How do you deduce all your biased notions about him just because he asked a question? Are you a racist pig who consider every European as a condescending bastard with neither heart nor sense of history?

How do you know that Bob Geldof was not heading towards railing the same history you mentioned?

If you read the constitution about the presidential immunity it is clear that we cannot touch Kikwete. It absolves him of everything he did before, during and even after his term as the president.

The relevant parts of the constitution are 46 (1, 2, 3)

46.-(1) During the President’s tenure of office in accordance with this Constitution it shall be prohibited to institute or continue in court any criminal proceedings whatsoever against him.

(2) During the President’s tenure of office in accordance this Constitution, no civil proceedings against him shall be instituted in court in respect of anything done or not done, or purporting to have been done or not done,
by him in his personal capacity as an ordinary citizen whether before or after he assumed the office of President, unless at least thirty days before the proceedings are instituted in court, notice of claim in writing has been delivered to him or sent
to him pursuant to the procedure prescribed by an Act of Parliament, stating the nature of such proceedings, the cause of action, the name, residential address of the claimant and the relief which he claims.

(3) Except where he ceases to hold the office of President pursuant to the provisions of Article 46A(10) it shall be prohibited to institute in court criminal or civil proceedings whatsoever against a person who was holding the office of
President after he ceases to hold such office for anything he did in his capacity as President while he held the office of President in accordance with this Constitution.

Part 1 and 2 talks about during a presidents tenure and therefore are not relevant to ex presidents.

The entire immunity issue for Kikwete rests on the highlited and italicized part of 3. Kikwete can be prosecuted for things he did as a minister. That part is not covered. He signed a lot of the Bulyanhulu mining contracts. Whatever his defense, he can state it in court.

There is no part of the constitution that says a person who was holding the office of the president shall not have criminal or civil proceedings brought against him.

There is a rationale for this. It is a pragmatic one. If this immunity is lifted then we will enter into the era where presidents cling to power (Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, or DRC, come to mind here) and will have tumultuous transitions from one goverment to another for fear of prosecution. So, we have a choice:
1. Drag all past presidents to court and risk an unstable system of governance, or
2. Overlook mistakes done by past presidents and have a smooth transition between governments.

Term limits already takes care of the concern. A true tyrant can trash any constitution.

There is a rationale for this. There is a reason why the constitution does not talk about immunity for a former president for things done before that person assumed the presidency.

The immunity is to enable a sitting president to do presidential work unincumbered by concerns for litigation, else, a sitting president could be paralyzed to inaction due to concerns of litigation

The beauty of option #2 is that we can reign in presidential excesses when they are in office by having a strong opposition that will oversee the government operations. Moreover, this system gives us smooth transitions and allows past presidents to invest their wealth (legitimate or otherwise) in the country instead of in Swiss banks.

Your options, in context, are irrelevant as they are resting on a fallacious assumption.

Moreover, overlooking mistakes is lack of accountability. We need more accountability, not less.

Wow. Devine inspiration huh? You speak like Tanzanian Messiah, incarnate.

The divine do not inspire me, I inspire the divine.

Enough pontification already. Spill them out.

What you call pontification carries some rather important points. I fear you are failing to understand me by jotting this as mere pontification.

So, you are saying, Magufuli is doing the right things so far. Why veil this compliment in a shroud of venomous criticisms to start with?

Even when Magufuli is doing the right thing, he is doing the right thing in a wrong way.

The entire thing about overhauling mining contracts is a good move, the hapharzard way it is being done, complete with circus shows featuring Prof. Osoro and blank amnesty towards the Kikwetes of the world, is wrong.

There we go again, more compliments to Magufuli.

You wouldn't know a compliment from an insult.

With regard to the opposition, those guys are totally bankrupt when it comes to political strategies. The moment they lost their cash cow "fight against mafisadi" by inviting the fisadi-papas they were criticising in the past, they lost their moral highgroung, not to be gained again for eons.

I am not interested in the opposition so much as I am interested in Magufuli and his party. They are the incumbents.

The opposition were desperate to gain their past glory by instigating seditious activities (remember UKUTA?) to bring chaos and make the country ungovernable. Tell me, which country in the world (developed or not) would allow a group of people to instigate chaos in the country in the name of political freedom? None.

I am not sure why are you bent on the opposition while they clearly do not hold office.

Magufuli is shooting himself in the foot by being overly Draconian and ruling like a modern day Hammurabi.

I already addressed this above.

Your reading of the constitution leaves much to be desired. Kikwete can be dragged into court for things he did as minister of Minerals, along with others.

So, in summary you really agree with the path taken by Magufuli, albeit, a slow path.

Magufuli knows of no path, he meanders like a drunken sailor ho depends on the stars for navigation on a cloudy night.

He meanders more than the mekong and lacks direction like the subject of a Max Romeo song.

It is unfortunate you live outside the country

The amount of money Tanzanians in Tanzania ask me for is evidence enough that I am rather fortunate to be outside Tanzania now.

The lack of freedom of expression also points to a police state that I can hardly say I would enjoy.

but things look promising back home.

Promising to whom? Do you know that a promise is comfort to a fool?

While life is a daily struggle for ordinary Tanzanians, but Magufuli's policies

"Magufuli's policies" is an oxymoron, right up there with "friendly fire".The guy makes the law as he goes along

and his style of governance

You must mean lack of style.The guy does not know anything about collective responsibility, neither does he respect principle such as separation of church and state or separation of powers, that is not style, that is lack of style.

is likely to make the country prosperous in a not so distant future. The prognosis looks very good Sir.

The trouble is you wouldn't know trouble if trouble stared you in the face.

Magufuli is trouble, you are hellbent against that.Only time will show you.

 

[BONGE BONGE]

mmh mswahili halisi wewe, roho mbaya na unauchawi fulani

hata kama haitafika mbali, mkuu...kaanza kile ambacho wengi wameshindwa

nikuulize, kwa mfano magufuli asingefanya haya, wewe ungefanyaje? au hatua/safari huwa zinaanzaje??

Toka lini waswahili wakawa na maana chief! Ukifanya hili, wanabeza wanatakalile, ukofanya lile, wanataka hili!!! Dawa yao ni kuwapeleka ki-Hitler Hitler na kuziba masikio usiwasikie ilimradi una nia njema

 

[storyteller]

Ingawa sina uhakika na kinachofanyika lakini kiukweli, CHADEMA wanatakiwa kuja na njia zenye "akili kubwa sana" ili kuwawin hawa wadanganyika wanaooneshewa picha hizi..... lkn km wataendelea na njia ile ile..... kweli 2020 sio utani ni 1.5%

 

[mbongo_halisi]

Naona hili ni la kuzimisha ishu ya makinikia

Inawezekana kwani Kikwete kishatangulia Canada, ana siku kadhaa huko anajadiliana na ACACIA.

 

[Kifyatu]

Are you for generalization or against generalization? One minute you were asking me to not generalize, the next you are sprouting the flowery merits of generalization. Can you be consistent? How can we hope to have an intelligible discussion if you are all over the map like a migrating bird?

Bob Geldof asked a question. How do you deduce all your biased notions about him just because he asked a question? Are you a racist pig who consider every European as a condescending bastard with neither heart nor sense of history?

How do you know that Bob Geldof was not heading towards railing the same history you mentioned?

Magufuli is one of a kind. We never had a leader like him before and that is why I asked you not to generalize when discussing him. It looks like the only thing that stuck in your mind is the word generalization, no context whatsoever.

The relevant parts of the constitution are 46 (1, 2, 3)

46.-(1) During the President’s tenure of office in accordance with this Constitution it shall be prohibited to institute or continue in court any criminal proceedings whatsoever against him.

(2) During the President’s tenure of office in accordance this Constitution, no civil proceedings against him shall be instituted in court in respect of anything done or not done, or purporting to have been done or not done,
by him in his personal capacity as an ordinary citizen whether before or after he assumed the office of President, unless at least thirty days before the proceedings are instituted in court, notice of claim in writing has been delivered to him or sent
to him pursuant to the procedure prescribed by an Act of Parliament, stating the nature of such proceedings, the cause of action, the name, residential address of the claimant and the relief which he claims.

(3) Except where he ceases to hold the office of President pursuant to the provisions of Article 46A(10) it shall be prohibited to institute in court criminal or civil proceedings whatsoever against a person who was holding the office of
President after he ceases to hold such office for anything he did in his capacity as President while he held the office of President in accordance with this Constitution.

Part 1 and 2 talks about during a presidents tenure and therefore are not relevant to ex presidents.

The entire immunity issue for Kikwete rests on the highlited and italicized part of 3.

Wrong.

You missed the part that absolves him of any civil or criminal acts before, during or after his presidency, it sits right above your highlights, and I quote:

"... it shall be prohibited to institute in court criminal or civil proceedings whatsoever against a person who was holding the office of President after he ceases to hold...."

The operative word in that quote is "whatsoever".

Don't confuse people with your fly-by-night lawyering.

Kikwete can be prosecuted for things he did as a minister. That part is not covered. He signed a lot of the Bulyanhulu mining contracts. Whatever his defense, he can state it in court.

There is no part of the constitution that says a person who was holding the office of the president shall not have criminal or civil proceedings brought against him.

Oh yes there is. I just showed you.

Term limits already takes care of the concern. A true tyrant can trash any constitution.

There is a rationale for this. There is a reason why the constitution does not talk about immunity for a former president for things done before that person assumed the presidency.

The immunity is to enable a sitting president to do presidential work unincumbered by concerns for litigation, else, a sitting president could be paralyzed to inaction due to concerns of litigation

We saw in Rwanda where the constitution was changed to accomodate changes in presidential terms. With CCM in the majority that would not be hard to accomplish if the president feels threterned by zealots in the opposition wishing to prosecute him. The current system is the most pragmatic one.

I already showed you the section in part 3 that completely immunizes past presidents of anything.

Your options, in context, are irrelevant as they are resting on a fallacious assumption.

Moreover, overlooking mistakes is lack of accountability. We need more accountability, not less.

Show me the fallacious assumptions surrounding my options.

Does the word "pragmatic" mean anything to you? You would rather have chaos and clinging to power just so as you can drag past leaders to court. I beg to differ.

The divine do not inspire me, I inspire the divine.

Now it looks like we are heading towards the deep end. I give up. This is above my pay grade.

What you call pontification carries some rather important points. I fear you are failing to understand me by jotting this as mere pontification.

Even when Magufuli is doing the right thing, he is doing the right thing in a wrong way.

The entire thing about overhauling mining contracts is a good move, the hapharzard way it is being done, complete with circus shows featuring Prof. Osoro and blank amnesty towards the Kikwetes of the world, is wrong.

Actually, that is where you are flat wrong.

There was a method to this (seemingly) madness. By catching ACACIA in a lie (amount of minerals in the sand and the number of containers shipped since 1998), which constitutes theft, a criminal offence, ACACIA was put in a defensive position (until they prove otherwise) and that allowed the government to raise all other issues (smelters, contracts, mining laws, etc.) and bring then to the table.

If Magufuli had just announced all these changes prior to the makinikia saga he would have looked bad and unpredictabble to the international investers. This way he is justifyed since he was only caching thieves. Clever huh?

You wouldn't know a compliment from an insult.

If you say so, Sir.

I am not interested in the opposition so much as I am interested in Magufuli and his party. They are the incumbents.

I am not sure why are you bent on the opposition while they clearly do not hold office.

Magufuli is shooting himself in the foot by being overly Draconian and ruling like a modern day Hammurabi.

I think Magufuli is doing a superb job. He has preempted the opposition's agenda and now they are runing in circles like headless chickens.

Your reading of the constitution leaves much to be desired. Kikwete can be dragged into court for things he did as minister of Minerals, along with others.

We have already established this. You are wrong.

Magufuli knows of no path, he meanders like a drunken sailor ho depends on the stars for navigation on a cloudy night.

He meanders more than the mekong and lacks direction like the subject of a Max Romeo song.

Let us do that assesment in 2025, shall we?

The amount of money Tanzanians in Tanzania ask me for is evidence enough that I am rather fortunate to be outside Tanzania now.

The lack of freedom of expression also points to a police state that I can hardly say I would enjoy.

Good thing you help your folks back home but that doesn't mean you are freer or happier. Trust me, an average Tanzanian lives freer and happier than an average person in the States. I really don't know what metrics you are using to measure freedom and happiness.

Promising to whom? Do you know that a promise is comfort to a fool?

"Magufuli's policies" is an oxymoron, right up there with "friendly fire".The guy makes the law as he goes along

You must mean lack of style.The guy does not know anything about collective responsibility, neither does he respect principle such as separation of church and state or separation of powers, that is not style, that is lack of style.

He is the president of Tanzania now. I will give him the benefit of doubt until his term ends.

The trouble is you wouldn't know trouble if trouble stared you in the face.

Magufuli is trouble, you are hellbent against that.Only time will show you.

I don't know how old you are. Your foul language really betrays your level of intelligence. I have been biting my tongue all this time and I think you ought to wash your mouth with soap and water thoroughly.

I look forward to engaging you again. I just hope next time civility will reign.

 

[Al-Watan]

Magufuli is one of a kind. We never had a leader like him before and that is why I asked you not to generalize when discussing him. It looks like the only thing that stuck in your mind is the word generalization, no context whatsoever.

One of kind in what? Idi Amin was also one of kind.

Magufuli can be one of a kind in peeing his pants.That doesn't impress me.

Wrong.

You missed the part that absolves him of any civil or criminal acts before, during or after his presidency, it sits right above your highlights, and I quote:

"... it shall be prohibited to institute in court criminal or civil proceedings whatsoever against a person who was holding the office of President after he ceases to hold...."

Hahaha, why are you ending there? Can you continue all the way to the end where the subject period is specifically specified as "for anything he did in his capacity as President while he held the office of President in accordance with this Constitution.

The subject period leaves the time before he was president, nor does it talk about the time after he leaves office!

This is the summary of the immunity.

Article 46

1.Staring new or continuing existing criminal proceedings (presumably acquired before the oath of the presidency was taken or unconstitutionally started after the oath of presidency was taken) for a sitting president is prohibited.

2.Civil or criminal proceedings against a sitting president, regardless of whether the subject period of the alleged offences is before the president assuming the presidency or during the presidency, is prohibited.The exception is a parliamentary process as described in more precise language in 46 (2).

1 and 2 are talking about sitting presidents, for the purpose of discussing Kikwete, they are not directly pertinent.

3 is what is relevant.

I will quote it again in its entirety here.

(3) Except where he ceases to hold the office of President pursuant to the provisions of Article 46A(10) it shall be prohibited to institute in court criminal or civil proceedings whatsoever against a person who was holding the office of
President after he ceases to hold such office for anything he did in his capacity as President while he held the office of President in accordance with this Constitution.

By the way, 46 A (10) is merely the conclusion of a successful impeachment process

(10) In the event the National Assembly passes a resolution that the charges against the President have been proved and that he is unworthy of continuing to hold the office of President, the Speaker shall inform the President and the Chairman of the Electoral Commission about the resolution whereupon the President shall be obliged to resign before the expiry of three days from the day the National Assembly passed the resolution.

So 46 (3) says

(3)With the exception of a successful impeachment (when this prohibition may not be relevant) it is forbidden to bring criminal or civil proceedings in court by any means for an ex president or anything he did in his capacity as President while he held the office of President in accordance with this Constitution.

This means that, for an ex president it is permitted to bring to court matters that occured before the president was president

The operative word in that quote is "whatsoever".

Whatsoever is operative, but not in the way you suggest.

Whatsoever is operative under the defined time frame of or anything he did in his capacity as President while he held the office of President in accordance with this Constitution.

Don't confuse people with your fly-by-night lawyering.

I can't even get to the lawyering with you now. I am just teaching you how to read logically.

Oh yes there is. I just showed you.

No you did not. Your reading of the constitution is flawed. You lack reading comprehension.

We saw in Rwanda where the constitution was changed to accomodate changes in presidential terms. With CCM in the majority that would not be hard to accomplish if the president feels threterned by zealots in the opposition wishing to prosecute him. The current system is the most pragmatic one.

Now you are peeing on Nyerere's grave. For the sake of Magufuli. Do you know that?

I already showed you the section in part 3 that completely immunizes past presidents of anything.

No. Part 3 strictly specifies the relevant time period as for anything he did in his capacity as President while he held the office of President in accordance with this Constitution.

Kikwete is constitutionally exempted from any criminal or civil proceedings pertaining to whatever he did during his presidency. Whatever he did before his presidency does not fall under this protection.

Show me the fallacious assumptions surrounding my options.

You first assume ex presidents are exempted from prosecution for things they did before becoming presidents.

This is a fallacy that is clearly and logically stated in 46 (3). I can write pseudocode or a truth table to demonstrate that.

You then fallaciously assume that Tanzania will erupt in a political volcano if an ex president is prosecuted. This is another bunkum.

Does the word "pragmatic" mean anything to you?

Pragmatic people do not support a decadent power drunk tyrant like Magufuli. You are the one who do not understand the meaning of pragmatism.

You would rather have chaos and clinging to power just so as you can drag past leaders to court. I beg to differ.

Your selective sense of courage is rather telling.

You have the courage to trust the country to a madman, Magufuli, but you lack the courage to think that the country can survive the trial of Jakaya Kikwete for plundering the very wealth of the country that Magufuli is supposed to be fighting for?

Do you even know what you stand for?

Now it looks like we are heading towards the deep end. I give up. This is above my pay grade.

You should have given up a long time ago. You could never understand where I am coming from.

Actually, that is where you are flat wrong.

How do you know you are not the one who is perpendicularly wrong?

There was a method to this (seemingly) madness. By catching ACACIA in a lie (amount of minerals in the sand and the number of containers shipped since 1998), which constitutes theft, a criminal offence, ACACIA was put in a defensive position (until they prove otherwise) and that allowed the government to raise all other issues (smelters, contracts, mining laws, etc.) and bring then to the table.

No. One could be justified if the position is Magufuli is as the Americans say "going for broke". Pulling a Chavez or an Evo Morales.

The way Magufuli handled this issue it is as if he is cutting all ties with investors, at least western ones.

I have an investment/ contract lawyer friend of mine who was asking me to find him US based clients who are interested to come to invest in TZ.

I told him, they all read Bloomberg and The Economist. Nobody is coming to Tanzania right now, at least until this cloud clears.

Magufuli has bought the worst press for attracting investors. People are asking if he is going to be the next Mugabe and go ahead to nationalize everything like some second Azimio la Arusha.


See

http://www.economist.com/news/busin...s?zid=304&ah=e5690753dc78ce91909083042ad12e30

Tanzanian Government Accuses Acacia of Mining Gold Illegally

http://www.economist.com/news/middl...s-good-governs-impulsively-government-gesture

If Magufuli had just announced all these changes prior to the makinikia saga he would have looked bad and unpredictabble to the international investers. This way he is justifyed since he was only caching thieves. Clever huh?

There is a range of issues you seem to be unfamiliar with. If Mkapa and Kikwete had not signed these contracts, there wouldn't be anything to have a protracted debate about.

How about starting there?

Magufuli has no strategy other than threatening that he is a sovereign. The London arbitration courts will rout him if it gets to that.

If you say so, Sir.

I don't say so. I know so. I am insulting Magufuli and you take that for a compliment.

I think Magufuli is doing a superb job.

If you have low standards and a distasteful sense of discernment, I would imagine warm piss could be superb too.

He has preempted the opposition's agender and now they are runing in circles like headless chickens.

The problem is, you do not know agenda from agender.

We have already established this. You are wrong.

You do not know how to read. That is the problem.

Let us do that assesment in 2025, shall we?

If you are not jailed already for singing praises for "Dear Leader" twice a day.

Good thing you help your folks back home but that doesn't mean you are freer or happier. Trust me, an average Tanzanian lives freer and happier than an average person in the States. I really don't know what metrics you are using to measure freedom and happiness.

The problem is you are comparing me to average people. How presumptuous of you.

He is the president of Tanzania now. I will give him the benefit of doubt until his term ends.

One of the biggest reason why Tanzania is poor. Too much respect for authority. Not enough respect for principles.

I don't know how old you are. Your foul language really betrays your level of intelligence. I have been biting my tongue all this time and I think you ought to wash your mouth with soap and water thoroughly.

I don't know how young you are, but you sound like a little sissy who even before a proper trouting begins is already complaining.

Trust me. I have been at my most respectful.

Why, you do not seem to have the intelligence to engage mu higher gears which will start to talk trash.

Which your weak intelligence and fake puritanic sensibilities will see as grave insults .

I look forward to engaging you again. I just hope next time civility will reign.

People who undertsand civility do not support a glaring tyrant like Magufuli.

Why, he practically sexually harassed Salma Kikwete for all the nation to see not too long ago.