Don't bet against Magufuli, utaliwa...

Don't bet against Magufuli, utaliwa...

mmh mswahili halisi wewe, roho mbaya na unauchawi fulani

hata kama haitafika mbali, mkuu...kaanza kile ambacho wengi wameshindwa

nikuulize, kwa mfano magufuli asingefanya haya, wewe ungefanyaje? au hatua/safari huwa zinaanzaje??

Kiongozi siasa Tanzania zimetuharibu. I bet economic approach ya MAGUFULI ndiyo imemfanya very unpopular. Hata angefanya nini, kuna watu THEY will NEVER appreciate what he does. Simply kwa sababu wengi wetu mirija imekatwa. na kama binadamu yeyote mtu akikunyima chakula hata angefanyaje... you will never like him.

Jana namsikia msomi Lissu anasema kuwakamata Singa singa na Rugemalila haitoshi. Hivi niulize..nani angekamatwa..ingeonekana Magufuli yuko sawa?

I bet my coins, Hata Takukuru ingekamata..Saada Mkuya, Chenge, Profesa, nk..Naamini Lissu angekuja hapa na stories nyingine. Na kwa hili yuko sahihi maana ufisadi ulishaingilia mifumo yote ya utendaji. Labda uweke serikali nzima kwenye gereza! Tumelia na IPTL for the past twenty years plus! Leo mtu anadiriki kutafuta majibu tunamdhihaki.


Magufuli chonga mbele! siasa waachie wanasiasa! Hao tumeshawazoea. Tunawamudu.
 
Kama mtu alimtimua best wake, akamuondoa bila ving'ora mpiga debe wa chama chake, sidhani kama unaweza kujaribu kucheza kamari dhidi yake na ukaweka hela zako kwamba "hatafanya"... utaliwa..

Ningekuwa mimi ni Tibaijuka, Chenge n.k ningekuwa naishi kwa wasiwasi sana..
Of course saa hizi wote waliopata mgao wanaugulia tumbo la kuhara. Kesho yao iko mikononi mwa sizo.

Kifuatacho ..................!
 
Mleta mada kuna kitu inaitwa kufukua makaburi nakula matapishi.

Wenzako walikuja naporojo za kuhamia dodoma saivi wanasema yaliopita si ndwele tugange yajayo.



Kuweka akiba ya maneno ni jambo zuri.
Mbona Dodoma watu wanahamia kwa awamu
 
mapema sana kusema usi bet against magu coz zipo area kadhaa unajua ukiweka bet against yy lazima utamla tuu mf uuzaj nyumba za silikali unaweza bet kuwa hatogusa ishu ya uuzaj nyumba za serikal wakat wa awamu iliyopita na kwa odds yyte lazima utakula tuu

pia najiuliza toka lini pccb wameanzisha utalatibu huu wa kiki coz hawa ni moja ya taasis ambazo tumezoea kuona wanafanya kaz kwa ukimya sana ila ajab leo wameita media's, kwa speed hii ipo siku tutapeleka mtu mahakaman kwa matalumbeta

,hata real Madrid akija bongo huwez bet kilahisi et kuwa atazifunga timu zote bila yeye kupoteza wala kutoa draw...so ni mapema sana ku_generalize kuwa magu ni untouchable and unpredictable...... tibaijuka be prepared mama.,
Issue ya nyumba za serikali muulizeni kada wenu sumaye
 
One of kind in what? Idi Amin was also one of kind.

Magufuli can be one of a kind in peeing his pants.That doesn't impress me.

Hahaha, why are you ending there? Can you continue all the way to the end where the subject period is specifically specified as "for anything he did in his capacity as President while he held the office of President in accordance with this Constitution.

The subject period leaves the time before he was president, nor does it talk about the time after he leaves office!

This is the summary of the immunity.

Article 46

1.Staring new or continuing existing criminal proceedings (presumably acquired before the oath of the presidency was taken or unconstitutionally started after the oath of presidency was taken) for a sitting president is prohibited.

2.Civil or criminal proceedings against a sitting president, regardless of whether the subject period of the alleged offences is before the president assuming the presidency or during the presidency, is prohibited.The exception is a parliamentary process as described in more precise language in 46 (2).

1 and 2 are talking about sitting presidents, for the purpose of discussing Kikwete, they are not directly pertinent.

3 is what is relevant.

I will quote it again in its entirety here.

(3) Except where he ceases to hold the office of President pursuant to the provisions of Article 46A(10) it shall be prohibited to institute in court criminal or civil proceedings whatsoever against a person who was holding the office of
President after he ceases to hold such office for anything he did in his capacity as President while he held the office of President in accordance with this Constitution.

By the way, 46 A (10) is merely the conclusion of a successful impeachment process

(10) In the event the National Assembly passes a resolution that the charges against the President have been proved and that he is unworthy of continuing to hold the office of President, the Speaker shall inform the President and the Chairman of the Electoral Commission about the resolution whereupon the President shall be obliged to resign before the expiry of three days from the day the National Assembly passed the resolution.

So 46 (3) says

(3)With the exception of a successful impeachment (when this prohibition may not be relevant) it is forbidden to bring criminal or civil proceedings in court by any means for an ex president or anything he did in his capacity as President while he held the office of President in accordance with this Constitution.

This means that, for an ex president it is permitted to bring to court matters that occured before the president was president



Whatsoever is operative, but not in the way you suggest.

Whatsoever is operative under the defined time frame of or anything he did in his capacity as President while he held the office of President in accordance with this Constitution.


I can't even get to the lawyering with you now. I am just teaching you how to read logically.



No you did not. Your reading of the constitution is flawed. You lack reading comprehension.

Now you are peeing on Nyerere's grave. For the sake of Magufuli. Do you know that?

No. Part 3 strictly specifies the relevant time period as for anything he did in his capacity as President while he held the office of President in accordance with this Constitution.

Kikwete is constitutionally exempted from any criminal or civil proceedings pertaining to whatever he did during his presidency. Whatever he did before his presidency does not fall under this protection.

You first assume ex presidents are exempted from prosecution for things they did before becoming presidents.

This is a fallacy that is clearly and logically stated in 46 (3). I can write pseudocode or a truth table to demonstrate that.

You then fallaciously assume that Tanzania will erupt in a political volcano if an ex president is prosecuted. This is another bunkum.
Let me just say this. Whatever Kikwete signed as a minister did it on behalf of the president. Consequently, if you want to prosecute ministerial deeds you will have to prosecute President Mkapa. Oops, can't do it. He has immunity.

Pragmatic people do not support a decadent power drunk tyrant like Magufuli. You are the one who do not understand the meaning of pragmatism.

Your selective sense of courage is rather telling.

You have the courage to trust the country to a madman, Magufuli, but you lack the courage to think that the country can survive the trial of Jakaya Kikwete for plundering the very wealth of the country that Magufuli is supposed to be fighting for?

Do you even know what you stand for?
You have been baiting me into trash talking but I will not stoop to your level.

You should have given up a long time ago. You could never understand where I am coming from.

How do you know you are not the one who is perpendicularly wrong?

No. One could be justified if the position is Magufuli is as the Americans say "going for broke". Pulling a Chavez or an Evo Morales.

The way Magufuli handled this issue it is as if he is cutting all ties with investors, at least western ones.
No, to the contrary, he is gaining respect from around the world.

I have an investment/ contract lawyer friend of mine who was asking me to find him US based clients who are interested to come to invest in TZ.

I told him, they all read Bloomberg and The Economist. Nobody is coming to Tanzania right now, at least until this cloud clears.

Magufuli has bought the worst press for attracting investors. People are asking if he is going to be the next Mugabe and go ahead to nationalize everything like some second Azimio la Arusha.


See

http://www.economist.com/news/busin...s?zid=304&ah=e5690753dc78ce91909083042ad12e30

Tanzanian Government Accuses Acacia of Mining Gold Illegally

http://www.economist.com/news/middl...s-good-governs-impulsively-government-gesture
You know what, that is just fine with me. Minerals don't rot in the ground. I would rather wait for investors who are willing to play fair than the current exploitative arrangements

If Mkapa and Kikwete had not signed these contracts, there wouldn't be anything to have a protracted debate about.

How about starting there?

Magufuli has no strategy other than threatening that he is a sovereign. The London arbitration courts will rout him if it gets to that.
Straight from Chadema's talking points. Are you Lissu?

I don't say so. I know so. I am insulting Magufuli and you take that for a compliment.

If you have low standards and a distasteful sense of discernment, I would imagine warm piss could be superb too.
I will not dignify this with a response.

The problem is, you do not know agenda from agender.

You do not know how to read. That is the problem.

If you are not jailed already for singing praises for "Dear Leader" twice a day.

The problem is you are comparing me to average people. How presumptuous of you.
Wow, what an ego.

You seem to be very contented where you are. Why don't you leave Tanzania alone then. If they are heading for the ditch what is it to you?

One of the biggest reason why Tanzania is poor. Too much respect for authority. Not enough respect for principles.

I don't know how young you are, but you sound like a little sissy who even before a proper trouting begins is already complaining.

Trust me. I have been at my most respectful.

Why, you do not seem to have the intelligence to engage mu higher gears which will start to talk trash.

Which your weak intelligence and fake puritanic sensibilities will see as grave insults .
Very telling engaging such "intelligent" people like yourself. I guess us mere mortals will have to sing your praise, huh? I know your type, exactly.

People who undertsand civility do not support a glaring tyrant like Magufuli.

Why, he practically sexually harassed Salma Kikwete for all the nation to see not too long ago.
I think Chadema is missing a political operative in you. You sound exactly like one of their foot soldiers.

Sorry to disappoint you. No insults from my end.
 
Kiongozi siasa Tanzania zimetuharibu. I bet economic approach ya MAGUFULI ndiyo imemfanya very unpopular. Hata angefanya nini, kuna watu THEY will NEVER appreciate what he does. Simply kwa sababu wengi wetu mirija imekatwa. na kama binadamu yeyote mtu akikunyima chakula hata angefanyaje... you will never like him.

Jana namsikia msomi Lissu anasema kuwakamata Singa singa na Rugemalila haitoshi. Hivi niulize..nani angekamatwa..ingeonekana Magufuli yuko sawa?

I bet my coins, Hata Takukuru ingekamata..Saada Mkuya, Chenge, Profesa, nk..Naamini Lissu angekuja hapa na stories nyingine. Na kwa hili yuko sahihi maana ufisadi ulishaingilia mifumo yote ya utendaji. Labda uweke serikali nzima kwenye gereza! Tumelia na IPTL for the past twenty years plus! Leo mtu anadiriki kutafuta majibu tunamdhihaki.


Magufuli chonga mbele! siasa waachie wanasiasa! Hao tumeshawazoea. Tunawamudu.

sawa kabisa ndugu
 
Mkombozi bank ifungiwe.

bank ya Mkombozi na Stanbik imetakatisha pesa, mapandri na maskofu wametakatisha pesa, majaji wametatisha pesa, kina chenge wametakatisha pesa ila mpaka sasa wako free hata nje ya nchi wanaweza kusafiri tu.

Ukitazama kwa makini haya maufisadi yote root source yake ni 'Rais" kwa hiyo bila katiba mpya itakayomvua rais kinga tutaendelea na haya maigizo mpaka Yesu atakaporudi na pia hatorudi.
 
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Jibu sahihi la kilio chako Mleta uzi, ni kila mtu kuacha njia za mkato kupata chochcote kile.

Ila ukipenda tu vitu vya shortcut, ni lazima ile kwako.
 
Are you for generalization or against generalization? One minute you were asking me to not generalize, the next you are sprouting the flowery merits of generalization. Can you be consistent? How can we hope to have an intelligible discussion if you are all over the map like a migrating bird?

Bob Geldof asked a question. How do you deduce all your biased notions about him just because he asked a question? Are you a racist pig who consider every European as a condescending bastard with neither heart nor sense of history?

How do you know that Bob Geldof was not heading towards railing the same history you mentioned?



The relevant parts of the constitution are 46 (1, 2, 3)

46.-(1) During the President’s tenure of office in accordance with this Constitution it shall be prohibited to institute or continue in court any criminal proceedings whatsoever against him.

(2) During the President’s tenure of office in accordance this Constitution, no civil proceedings against him shall be instituted in court in respect of anything done or not done, or purporting to have been done or not done,
by him in his personal capacity as an ordinary citizen whether before or after he assumed the office of President, unless at least thirty days before the proceedings are instituted in court, notice of claim in writing has been delivered to him or sent
to him pursuant to the procedure prescribed by an Act of Parliament, stating the nature of such proceedings, the cause of action, the name, residential address of the claimant and the relief which he claims.

(3) Except where he ceases to hold the office of President pursuant to the provisions of Article 46A(10) it shall be prohibited to institute in court criminal or civil proceedings whatsoever against a person who was holding the office of
President after he ceases to hold such office for anything he did in his capacity as President while he held the office of President in accordance with this Constitution.

Part 1 and 2 talks about during a presidents tenure and therefore are not relevant to ex presidents.

The entire immunity issue for Kikwete rests on the highlited and italicized part of 3. Kikwete can be prosecuted for things he did as a minister. That part is not covered. He signed a lot of the Bulyanhulu mining contracts. Whatever his defense, he can state it in court.

There is no part of the constitution that says a person who was holding the office of the president shall not have criminal or civil proceedings brought against him.



Term limits already takes care of the concern. A true tyrant can trash any constitution.

There is a rationale for this. There is a reason why the constitution does not talk about immunity for a former president for things done before that person assumed the presidency.

The immunity is to enable a sitting president to do presidential work unincumbered by concerns for litigation, else, a sitting president could be paralyzed to inaction due to concerns of litigation



Your options, in context, are irrelevant as they are resting on a fallacious assumption.

Moreover, overlooking mistakes is lack of accountability. We need more accountability, not less.




The divine do not inspire me, I inspire the divine.



What you call pontification carries some rather important points. I fear you are failing to understand me by jotting this as mere pontification.



Even when Magufuli is doing the right thing, he is doing the right thing in a wrong way.

The entire thing about overhauling mining contracts is a good move, the hapharzard way it is being done, complete with circus shows featuring Prof. Osoro and blank amnesty towards the Kikwetes of the world, is wrong.



You wouldn't know a compliment from an insult.


I am not interested in the opposition so much as I am interested in Magufuli and his party. They are the incumbents.


I am not sure why are you bent on the opposition while they clearly do not hold office.

Magufuli is shooting himself in the foot by being overly Draconian and ruling like a modern day Hammurabi.




Your reading of the constitution leaves much to be desired. Kikwete can be dragged into court for things he did as minister of Minerals, along with others.



Magufuli knows of no path, he meanders like a drunken sailor ho depends on the stars for navigation on a cloudy night.

He meanders more than the mekong and lacks direction like the subject of a Max Romeo song.



The amount of money Tanzanians in Tanzania ask me for is evidence enough that I am rather fortunate to be outside Tanzania now.

The lack of freedom of expression also points to a police state that I can hardly say I would enjoy.



Promising to whom? Do you know that a promise is comfort to a fool?



"Magufuli's policies" is an oxymoron, right up there with "friendly fire".The guy makes the law as he goes along



You must mean lack of style.The guy does not know anything about collective responsibility, neither does he respect principle such as separation of church and state or separation of powers, that is not style, that is lack of style.



The trouble is you wouldn't know trouble if trouble stared you in the face.

Magufuli is trouble, you are hellbent against that.Only time will show you.
You are right, time will tell
 
Hili la kufikiri kila kitu maigizo maigizo mpaka tuje tutoke huko pana kazi. Tukiishi kwa kukariri kama taifa inabidi tujiangalie makosa yapo "awamu ya kwanza tulifanya makosa kwa sababu sisi sio malaika sasa ningedhani mngerekebisha makosa mkaendelea cha ajabu hata mema tuliyo yafanya mnayahoji? kauli hii aliitoa mwalimu jk Nyerere.
Kwa sababu CDM wamezoea maigizo
Godblees Africa...!

Godbless Tanzania
 
Billionaires kupigishwa magoti in public - what a debate !!
 
mmh mswahili halisi wewe, roho mbaya na unauchawi fulani

hata kama haitafika mbali, mkuu...kaanza kile ambacho wengi wameshindwa

nikuulize, kwa mfano magufuli asingefanya haya, wewe ungefanyaje? au hatua/safari huwa zinaanzaje??
Mkuu samahani kidogo naomba ufafanuzi, Hao wengi walioshindwa ni akina nani labda!?
 
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