Tofauti kati ya Yesu na Nabii Issa

[mitale na midimu]

Following yonder star?

The star "seen in the east" (more correctly understood as "at the rising") now makes a reappearance (or else a course correction!) This time there is no uncertainty, the star really does lead the magi, not east or west but south! Was the star itself aware of the exchange of vital information between Herod and the magi or had it "known" all along that it would "pick up" the magi in Jerusalem and lead them on the final leg of their journey?

Did no one else in Jerusalem notice this extraordinary phenomenon? Where were the frenzied crowds if "all of Jerusalem" was disturbed?

And just how long might it take a "star" to traverse around six miles? It obviously would not have been long – Bethlehem was a walk of barely an hour or so from Jerusalem, and rather less if our magi were on the camels so beloved of Christmas card vendors.

Remarkably, the star makes a precision stop over a particular house (a maneuver challenging enough for a helicopter).




Is the "star" not really a star at all but rather, a guiding angel? Aah, that makes it all so much more realistic...

hayana uhusiano.
asante kwa maoni

 

[mitale na midimu]

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"Westward leading, still proceeding"?

hayana uhusiano.
ahsante kwa maoni

 

[hindustan]

KwaMujbu wa ndugu zetu waislam Yesu ni mtu tu kamaibrahim . ndio tunahoji hapa kama ni mtu kwa nini baba awe mariam? Angalau basu awe issa IBn Yusuf baba mlezi.


Allah anasema baba mzazi ya issa ninani? Kama hana Baba basi sio mtu huyo, mariam ilikuwa ni njia tu

Wapi imesema Mariam ni baba wa Nabii Issa?.. unaposema Issa bin Mariam = Issa ni mwana wa kiume wa Mariam

 

[hindustan]

Inaonekana huwa hufikiri,kama mtoto amezaliwa bila babau,ulitaka aitwe kwa ubini wa nani ?

Na nani amekwambia MARIAMU ni baba ? Hivi huwa unawaza kwa kutumia nini ?

Hivi kwanini hamshangai kuhusu ADAMU ambaye ameumbwa pasi na baba wala mama,mnajadili yule ambae ametokana na mama tu ? Hivi kati ya mawili hayo lipi linastahiki kushangaa ?

Daaah Hapo kwa Adam ndo umesema.. kwann watu hawashangai kwa Adam ambae hajazaliwa hata na huyo mwanamke mwenyewe?.. kwanini wasiseme huyu ndo Mungu sasa au mtoto wa Mungu?....

Nahis mwenye kuelewa atakua kakuelewa

 

[hindustan]

Katika Uislamu hata wewe ukizaa mtoto ambae baba yake hatambuliki basi tutamuita ubini wako.... kama waitwa Asha na ukamzaa mtoto ukamuita Ally na baba hatambuliki ataitwa Ally bin Asha yaan Ally ni mtoto wa kiume wa Asha

Sisi tunafahamu kwamba Yesu hakuzaliwa kwa namna ya kawaida inayofahamika kwa kuwa ni Mungu. Sasa tunawauliza wanaosema sio Mungu kwa nini basi yanamuita kwa jina la mama yake na sio la mume wa mama yake?

 

[Che mittoga]

Ndivyo ulivyoambiwa na Padri wako kanisani ??

Haya wewe lete andiko linalotaja nchi na mji alipozaliwa Issa bin Mariam

 

[Che mittoga]

Esau ndio ISSA

BUT ISSA SIO YESU.
ISSA WA WAISLAM NDIO MPINGA KRISTO WA WAKRISTO NA YESU WA WAKRISTON NDIO MPINGA KRISTO WA WAISLAM.
ISSA ATAWAKUSANYA WATU WA DUNIA HII NA JESHI LAKE WAKIWA DINI MOJA "NEW WORLD ORDER" ILI AKAPAMBANE NA YESU.
NADHANI WAJUA NANI MSHINDI HAPO.

Hao jamaa wamesha hadaiwa bila kujitambua na wamehadaika.
Sasa Esau atakuwa bin Mariam ambaye Dada wa Haruni kama kitabu chao kinavyo dai?

Huyo Issa atakayekuja kuishi duniani baadae na kuoa na kuwa na familia ya mke na watoto...! Hiyo dini kama wangeruhusu uhiari na bila ya kushinikizwa kuweza kuiacha hadi leo inge elekea kufa kabisa. Wengi ni waislamu kwa kufuata mkumbo tu na hawaelewi uislamu unasema nini.
Maana ili uujue vizuri Islamu ni lazima ujue kiarabu ili uweze kusoma na kuielewa lugha ya kiarabu.

Kwa tatizo hili la kuto kuijua lugha ya kiarabu kiufasaha wengi hawajui kinacho elezwa kwenye qurani na hadidhi zake. Waislamu wengi hasa wa huku Afrika hata qurani yenyewe hawajawahi kuigusa licha ya kuweza kuisoma na kuielewa hasa wa vijijini.

Kilinachofanyika ni kufuata mkumbo tu.

 

[Gavana]

Haya wewe lete andiko linalotaja nchi na mji alipozaliwa Issa bin Mariam

Ndiyo unataka Mji ili umfanye mungu?

 

[Gavana]

Hao jamaa wamesha hadaiwa bila kujitambua na wamehadaika.
Sasa Esau atakuwa bin Mariam ambaye Dada wa Haruni kama kitabu chao kinavyo dai ?
Huyo Issa atakayekuja kuishi duniani baadae na kuoa na kuwa na familia ya mke na watoto...!
Hiyo dini kama wangeruhusu uhiari na bila ya kushinikizwa kuweza kuiacha hadi leo inge elekea kufa kabisa.
Wengi ni waislamu kwa kufuata mkumbo tu na hawaelewi uislamu unasema nini.
Maana ili uujue vizuri Islamu ni lazima ujue kiarabu ili uweze kusoma na kuielewa lugha ya kiarabu.
Kwa tatizo hili la kuto kuijua lugha ya kiarabu kiufasaha wengi hawajui kinacho elezwa kwenye qurani na hadidhi zake.
Waislamu wengi hasa wa huku Afrika hata qurani yenyewe hawajawahi kuigusa licha ya kuweza kuisoma na kuielewa hasa wa vijijini.
Kilinachofanyika ni kufuata mkumbo tu.

Wewe unayo biblia ya lugha ya Yesu? Hiyo biblia yako ni ipi kati ya maelfu ya Biblia tofauti?

 

[Gavana]

Hao jamaa wamesha hadaiwa bila kujitambua na wamehadaika.
Sasa Esau atakuwa bin Mariam ambaye Dada wa Haruni kama kitabu chao kinavyo dai ?
Huyo Issa atakayekuja kuishi duniani baadae na kuoa na kuwa na familia ya mke na watoto...!
Hiyo dini kama wangeruhusu uhiari na bila ya kushinikizwa kuweza kuiacha hadi leo inge elekea kufa kabisa.
Wengi ni waislamu kwa kufuata mkumbo tu na hawaelewi uislamu unasema nini.
Maana ili uujue vizuri Islamu ni lazima ujue kiarabu ili uweze kusoma na kuielewa lugha ya kiarabu.
Kwa tatizo hili la kuto kuijua lugha ya kiarabu kiufasaha wengi hawajui kinacho elezwa kwenye qurani na hadidhi zake.
Waislamu wengi hasa wa huku Afrika hata qurani yenyewe hawajawahi kuigusa licha ya kuweza kuisoma na kuielewa hasa wa vijijini.
Kilinachofanyika ni kufuata mkumbo tu.

Was there a Jesus? Of course there was a Jesus – many!


The archetypal Jewish hero was Joshua (the successor of Moses) otherwise known as Yehoshua (Yeshua)bin Nun (‘Jesus of the fish’). Since the name Jesus (Yeshua or Yeshu in Hebrew, Iesous in Greek, source of the English spelling) originally was a title (meaning ‘saviour’, derived from ‘Yahweh Saves’) probably every band in the Jewish resistance had its own hero figure sporting this moniker, among others.

Josephus, the first century Jewish historian mentions no fewer than nineteen different Yeshuas/Jesii, about half of them contemporaries of the supposed Christ! In his Antiquities, of the twenty-eight high priests who held office from the reign of Herod the Great to the fall of the Temple, no fewer than four bore the name Jesus: Jesus ben Phiabi, Jesus ben Sec, Jesus ben Damneus and Jesus ben Gamaliel. Even Saint Paul makes reference to a rival magician, preaching ‘another Jesus’ (2 Corinthians 11,4). The surfeit of early Jesuses includes:

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​ Too strange to be a coincidence!​ According to the Biblical account, Pilate offered the Jews the release of just one prisoner and the cursed race chose Barabbas rather than gentle Jesus. But hold on a minute: in the original text studied by Origen (and in some recent ones) the chosen criminal was Jesus Barabbas – and Bar Abba in Aramaic means ‘Son of the Father’! Are we to believe that Pilate had a Jesus, Son of God and a Jesus, Son of the Father in his prison at the same time??!! Perhaps the truth is that a single executed criminal helped flesh out the whole fantastic fable. Gospel writers, in scrambling details, used the Aramaic Barabbas knowing that few Latin or Greek speakers would know its meaning.

Jesus ben Sirach. This Jesus was reputedly the author of the Book of Sirach (aka 'Ecclesiasticus, or the Wisdom of Jesus the Son of Sirach'), part of Old Testament Apocrypha. Ben Sirach, writing in Greek about 180 BC, brought together Jewish 'wisdom' and Homeric-style heroes.

Jesus ben Pandira. A wonder-worker during the reign of Alexander Jannaeus (106-79 BC), one of the most ruthless of the Maccabean kings. Imprudently, this Jesus launched into a career of end-time prophecy and agitation which upset the king. He met his own premature end-time by being hung on a tree – and on the eve of a Passover. Scholars have speculated this Jesus founded the Essene sect.

Jesus ben Ananias. Beginning in 62AD, this Jesus had caused disquiet in Jerusalem with a non-stop doom-laden mantra of ‘Woe to the city’. He prophesied rather vaguely:

"A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against the whole people."
– Josephus, Wars 6.3.

Arrested and flogged by the Romans, Jesus ben Ananias was released as nothing more dangerous than a mad man. He died during the siege of Jerusalem from a rock hurled by a Roman catapult.

Jesus ben Saphat. In the insurrection of 68AD that wrought havoc in Galilee, this Jesus had led the rebels in Tiberias ("the leader of a seditious tumult of mariners and poor people" – Josephus, Life 12.66). When the city was about to fall to Vespasian’s legionaries he fled north to Tarichea on the Sea of Galilee.

Jesus ben Gamala. During 68/69 AD this Jesus was a leader of the ‘peace party’ in the civil war wrecking Judaea. From the walls of Jerusalem he had remonstrated with the besieging Idumeans (led by ‘James and John, sons of Susa’). It did him no good. When the Idumeans breached the walls he was put to death and his body thrown to the dogs and carrion birds.

Jesus ben Thebuth. A priest who, in the final capitulation of the upper city in 69AD, saved his own skin by surrendering the treasures of the Temple, which included two holy candlesticks, goblets of pure gold, sacred curtains and robes of the high priests. The booty figured prominently in the Triumph held for Vespasian and his son Titus.



But was there a crucified Jesus?

Certainly. Jesus ben Stada was a Judean agitator who gave the Romans a headache in the early years of the second century. He met his end in the town of Lydda (twenty five miles from Jerusalem) at the hands of a Roman crucifixion crew. And given the scale that Roman retribution could reach – at the height of the siege of Jerusalem the Romans were crucifying upwards of five hundred captives a day before the city walls – dead heroes called Jesus would (quite literally) have been thick on the ground. Not one merits a full-stop in the great universal history.


But then with so many Jesuses could there not have been a Jesus of Nazareth?

The problem for this notion is that absolutely nothing at all corroborates the sacred biography and yet this 'greatest story' is peppered with numerous anachronisms, contradictions and absurdities.

For example, at the time that Joseph and the pregnant Mary are said to have gone off to Bethlehem for a supposed Roman census, Galilee (unlike Judaea) was not a Roman province and therefore ma and pa would have had no reason to make the journey.

Even if Galilee had been imperial territory, history knows of no ‘universal census’ ordered by Augustus (nor any other emperor) – and Roman taxes were based on property ownership not on a head count. Then again, we now know that Nazareth did not exist before the second century.

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[Che mittoga]

Ndiyo unataka Mji ili umfanye mungu?

Qurani inasema Issa hakuwahi kusulubiwa msalabani wala hakufa wala hakufuka. Waisraeli ambao ni ndugu wa Yesu wanadhibisha ndugu yao Yesu Kristo alisulubiwa, akafa akafufuka na akapaa mbinguni.

Ukinda Israeli watakuonesha hadi Kaburi ambalo ndugu yao Yesu alizikwa.
Sasa mtu mwenye busara kidogo tu atamuamini nani katika habari za Yesu?

Yaani habari za Yesu raia wa Israeli, tuzimini kwa kusimuliwa na Muhamadi mwarabu wa Maka Saudi Arabia, aliyezaliwa miaka 600 baada ya Yesu? Na tusiwaamini ndugu wa Yesu mwenyewe? Hivi wenzetu hamtumii akili mliyopewa bure na Mungu..!

Yaani habari za Yesu mnaziamini toka kwa mwarabu Muhamadi ?
Badala ya kuwasikiliza ndugu zake Waisraeli..! Naomba hapa nitabasamu kidogo [emoji3][emoji16] Naskia hata alivyo waambia mkojo wa punda ni dawa mmeamini tu [emoji3][emoji16] Na hata alivyo waambia inzi akitua kwema kinywaji unachokunywa basi mzamishe yote kwani bawa lake moja lina magonjwa na la pili lina tiba yake, mmeamini..! [emoji3][emoji16] Issa ndio Yesu na hakusulubiwa msalabani wala kufa wala kufuka mmeamini [emoji3][emoji16]

Jua linazama kwenye dimbwi la maji mmeamini [emoji3][emoji16]
Majini yamesilimu na kuwa Maislamu mnaamini
tu[emoji3][emoji16]
Poleni sana

 

[kukumdogo]

Qurani inasema Issa hakuwahi kusulubiwa msalabani wala hakufa wala hakufuka
Waisraeli ambao ni ndugu wa Yesu wanadhibisha ndugu yao Yesu Kristo alisulubiwa, akafa akafufuka na akapaa mbinguni.
Ukinda Israeli watakuonesha hadi Kaburi ambalo ndugu yao Yesu alizikwa.
Sasa mtu mwenye busara kidogo tu atamuamini nani katika habari za Yesu ?
Yaani habari za Yesu raia wa Israeli, tuzimini kwa kusimuliwa na Muhamadi mwarabu wa Maka Saudi Arabia, aliyezaliwa miaka 600 baada ya Yesu ?
Na tusiwaamini ndugu wa Yesu mwenyewe ?
Hivi wenzetu hamtumii akili mliyopewa bure na
Mungu..!
Yaani habari za Yesu mnaziamini toka kwa mwarabu Muhamadi ?
Badala ya kuwasikiliza ndugu zake Waisraeli..!
Naomba hapa nitabasamu kidogo [emoji3][emoji16]
Naskia hata alivyo waambia mkojo wa punda ni dawa mmeamini tu [emoji3][emoji16]
Na hata alivyo waambia inzi akitua kwema kinywaji unachokunywa basi mzamishe yote kwani bawa lake moja lina magonjwa na la pili lina tiba yake, mmeamini..! [emoji3][emoji16]
Issa ndio Yesu na hakusulubiwa msalabani wala kufa wala kufuka mmeamini [emoji3][emoji16]
Jua linazama kwenye dimbwi la maji mmeamini [emoji3][emoji16]
Majini yamesilimu na kuwa Maislamu mnaamini
tu[emoji3][emoji16]
Poleni sana

Tatizo lugha ya kiarabu unakariri ila maana haijulikani.

 

[chilubi]

tangu nimeanza kufustilia hii hoja, wote mnapinga injili kuandikwa na Yhn, marko, luka, mathayo.
Ila mnakubali Yesu kuja na injili, na imeandikwa vinginevyo haya zinazohuzu injili sisingekiwemo kwenye Quran. Kama mnakana hili, na hamuonyeshi mtu aliyeandika, Basi atakuwa kaandika yeye. Niko sahihi kusema hivyo.

maana mnababaisha. Naomba iliko injili ya Isa ili uitumie kunithibitishia hii ninayoamini imechakachuliwa.

mbona naomba kitu ambacho kimo ndani ya uwezo wako wa kiimani unanipiga chenga shehe wangu?
usilete porojo za zurri eti imefichwa sijui kwenye kumbuku,bu za mbinguni.


niliaga lkn nimejua bado kuna watu mnahitaji msaada kutolewa propaganda potofu kuhusu injili

Mkuu, Injili aloshushiwa Issa na Mungu hatuna pakuipata saiv. Ila wewe kama unayo Injili aloshushiwa Issa basi ilete hapa tuione, vitabu vya Mungu huwa havisemi habari 1 na kuitofautisha, kuna kimja kitakuwa cha kizushi.

Anyways Hebu nambie hii injili hapa chini, ndio ile unayoamini kuwa imetoka kwa Allah?

 

[Mnondwe]

Sikumlenga mpumbavu,mwerevu amenielewa,acha kudandia yaliyokuzidi akili,umri na ujuzi.STPD

Ukiambiwa allah wa quraan ni kajini unabisha. Sasa umeongea pointi gani hapo.

 

[Che mittoga]

Mkuu, Injili aloshushiwa Issa na Mungu hatuna pakuipata saiv. Ila wewe kama unayo Injili aloshushiwa Issa basi ilete hapa tuione, vitabu vya Mungu huwa havisemi habari 1 na kuitofautisha, kuna kimja kitakuwa cha kizushi.

Anyways Hebu nambie hii injili hapa chini, ndio ile unayoamini kuwa imetoka kwa Allah?
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Yaani Leo mnakana
tena...!
Si mnatuambiaga kila siku kuwa Injiri sahihi ipo kwenye qurani...!
Yaani qurani ina vitabu vyote kama Torati, Zaburi, Injiri na Furkani.
Leo wewe unakanusha, kesho utasema vile,
leo hivi.
Au ndio Takiya inafanya kazi yake namna hii ?
Kama mnajichanganya namna hii, mnaaminikaje.

 

[chilubi]

Yaani Leo mnakana
tena...!
Si mnatuambiaga kila siku kuwa Injiri sahihi ipo kwenye qurani...!
Yaani qurani ina vitabu vyote kama Torati, Zaburi, Injiri na Furkani.
Leo wewe unakanusha, kesho utasema vile,
leo hivi.
Au ndio Takiya inafanya kazi yake namna hii ?
Kama mnajichanganya namna hii, mnaaminikaje.

Hebu nioneshe wapi imesema kuwa ndani ya Quran kuna injil na taurat na zabur? nani kasema?

 

[kukumdogo]

Hebu nioneshe wapi imesema kuwa ndani ya Quran kuna injil na taurat na zabur? nani kasema?

Waislam wote mnasema hivyo

 

[kukumdogo]

Sikumlenga mpumbavu,mwerevu amenielewa,acha kudandia yaliyokuzidi akili,umri na ujuzi.STPD

Usome quraan alafu umzidi mtu akili?

 

[chilubi]

Waislam wote mnasema hivyo

Ukinambia nkuletee Injili akisha nkauleta msahafu tuusomao, hio itakuwa Injil au Quran? Hilo Mosi,

Pili, Wamekwambia hio Injil ipo Sura gani?

Nasubiri majibu ya masuali mawili.

 

[lukwangul]

jibu wewe , Hivi unaabudu Bastard ambaye hata haingii katika ufalme wa mungu kama biblia ilivyosema??


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Jibu swali ulilo ulizwa mkuu [emoji44]