Tofauti kati ya Yesu na Nabii Issa

[Mokiti]

Ndiyo itabadilisha maneno ya Biblia yanayosema Yesu amezaliwa na ukoo wa mabibi waliozini na hawezi kuingia katika ufalme wa Mungu?

Bora umekuja embu jibu kwanza APA

Ww kama ww MTU mzima unaweza kuoga na katoto cha miaka 6 na mko uchi wa nyama na uka kaingilia , ukiweka akilini mnaemfuata mudi ndo tabia zake zilikuwa , pia tafuta mtoto wa 6 yrs umuone yupoje

Nasisitiza mjibu kwanza ndo muulize maswali ya Jesus Christ

 

[Nokla]

Naomba mtume mwingine aliyeAliwa hivyo?
Naomba zaidi ya Yesu mwanadamu aliyezaliwa bila Baba.

Hata Yesu hasemi Yusufu ni Baba Yake, ila yeye sio Wa ulimwengu huu.Yusufu ni Baba Wa kulea.

Hivyo chanzo cha Yesu sio Mariam ,Mariam ni njia tu

Mbona uhoji nabii Adam?
Mbona uhoji Hawa?

 

[mitale na midimu]

Mbona uhoji nabii Adam?
Mbona uhoji Hawa?

adam ameanza kuwa nabii lini.
alikuwa anmtabilia nani?
pia adamu aliumbwa froms
scratch hausiki kwenye mada

 

[Che mittoga]

Wewe hamna kitu.
Unataka msikitini watamke jina la Yesu...!
Au Korani iandike jina la Yesu..!
We unafikiri hayo Majini yenye Korani yao yatahimili vipi hapo ?
Kiarabu Yesu anaitwa Yasuan.
Majini yaliwatia changa la macho.
Nao wakaingia kingi.
Issa maana yake ni uzeruzeru yaani albinizim.

Fanya jaribio hili, ingia msikitini halafu tamka jina LA Yesu Kristo wa Nazareti halafu uone kasheshe lake, na unaweza ukauawa.
Nenda msikiti mwingine tamka Issa bin Mariam, utapewa na Zawadi.

 

[Gavana]

Bora umekuja embu jibu kwanza APA

Ww kama ww MTU mzima unaweza kuoga na katoto cha miaka 6 na mko uchi wa nyama na uka kaingilia , ukiweka akilini mnaemfuata mudi ndo tabia zake zilikuwa , pia tafuta mtoto wa 6 yrs umuone yupoje

Nasisitiza mjibu kwanza ndo muulize maswali ya Jesus Christ

jibu wewe , Hivi unaabudu Bastard ambaye hata haingii katika ufalme wa mungu kama biblia ilivyosema??

 

[Gavana]

Wewe hamna kitu.
Unataka msikitini watamke jina la Yesu...!
Au Korani iandike jina la Yesu..!
We unafikiri hayo Majini yenye Korani yao yatahimili vipi hapo ?
Kiarabu Yesu anaitwa Yasuan.
Majini yaliwatia changa la macho.
Nao wakaingia kingi.
Issa maana yake ni uzeruzeru yaani albinizim.

Fanya jaribio hili, ingia msikitini halafu tamka jina LA Yesu Kristo wa Nazareti halafu uone kasheshe lake, na unaweza ukauawa.
Nenda msikiti mwingine tamka Issa bin Mariam, utapewa na Zawadi.

Ndivyo ulivyoambiwa na Padri wako kanisani ??

 

[kukumdogo]

Wewe hamna kitu.
Unataka msikitini watamke jina la Yesu...!
Au Korani iandike jina la Yesu..!
We unafikiri hayo Majini yenye Korani yao yatahimili vipi hapo ?
Kiarabu Yesu anaitwa Yasuan.
Majini yaliwatia changa la macho.
Nao wakaingia kingi.
Issa maana yake ni uzeruzeru yaani albinizim.

Fanya jaribio hili, ingia msikitini halafu tamka jina LA Yesu Kristo wa Nazareti halafu uone kasheshe lake, na unaweza ukauawa.
Nenda msikiti mwingine tamka Issa bin Mariam, utapewa na Zawadi.

Kweli kabisa

 

[NaughtyGuy]

Wewe hamna kitu.
Unataka msikitini watamke jina la Yesu...!
Au Korani iandike jina la Yesu..!
We unafikiri hayo Majini yenye Korani yao yatahimili vipi hapo ?
Kiarabu Yesu anaitwa Yasuan.
Majini yaliwatia changa la macho.
Nao wakaingia kingi.
Issa maana yake ni uzeruzeru yaani albinizim.

Fanya jaribio hili, ingia msikitini halafu tamka jina LA Yesu Kristo wa Nazareti halafu uone kasheshe lake, na unaweza ukauawa.
Nenda msikiti mwingine tamka Issa bin Mariam, utapewa na Zawadi.

Esau ndio ISSA

BUT ISSA SIO YESU.
ISSA WA WAISLAM NDIO MPINGA KRISTO WA WAKRISTO NA YESU WA WAKRISTON NDIO MPINGA KRISTO WA WAISLAM.
ISSA ATAWAKUSANYA WATU WA DUNIA HII NA JESHI LAKE WAKIWA DINI MOJA "NEW WORLD ORDER" ILI AKAPAMBANE NA YESU.
NADHANI WAJUA NANI MSHINDI HAPO.

 

[Nokla]

adam ameanza kuwa nabii lini.
alikuwa anmtabilia nani?
pia adamu aliumbwa froms
scratch hausiki kwenye mada

Adam kwetu sisi waislam ni nabii kwa mujibu wa aya za quran na hadith

3:59 Hakika mfano wa Isa kwa Mwenyezi Mungu ni kama mfano wa Adam; alimuumba kwa udongo kisha akamwambia: Kuwa! Basi akawa.

2:136. Semeni nyinyi: Tumemuamini Mwenyezi Mungu na yale tuliyo teremshiwa sisi, na yaliyo teremshwa kwa Ibrahim na Ismail na Is-hak na Yaakub na wajukuu zake, na waliyo pewa Musa na Isa, na pia waliyo pewa Manabii wengine kutoka kwa Mola wao Mlezi; hatutafautishi baina ya yeyote katika hao, na sisi tumesilimu kwake


Na hadith hii
Kutoka kwa Abu Dhar ambaye amesema: Nilisema: Ee Mjumbe wa Allaah, Nabii yupi wa mwanzo? Akasema: ((Aadam)). Nikasema: Ee Mjumbe wa Allaah, alikuwa ni Nabii? Akasema: ((Ndio Mtume aliyesemeshwa)) Nikasema: Ee Mjumbe wa Allaah. Wapo Mitume wangapi? Akasema: ((Mia tatu na makumi kidogo)) [Mishkaat Al-Maswaabiyh ikiwa na daraja ya Swahiyh]

 

[Nokla]

Esau ndio ISSA

BUT ISSA SIO YESU.
ISSA WA WAISLAM NDIO MPINGA KRISTO WA WAKRISTO NA YESU WA WAKRISTON NDIO MPINGA KRISTO WA WAISLAM.
ISSA ATAWAKUSANYA WATU WA DUNIA HII NA JESHI LAKE WAKIWA DINI MOJA "NEW WORLD ORDER" ILI AKAPAMBANE NA YESU.
NADHANI WAJUA NANI MSHINDI HAPO.

Duh, hata ulichoandika hakieleweki

 

[Gavana]

Esau ndio ISSA

BUT ISSA SIO YESU.
ISSA WA WAISLAM NDIO MPINGA KRISTO WA WAKRISTO NA YESU WA WAKRISTON NDIO MPINGA KRISTO WA WAISLAM.
ISSA ATAWAKUSANYA WATU WA DUNIA HII NA JESHI LAKE WAKIWA DINI MOJA "NEW WORLD ORDER" ILI AKAPAMBANE NA YESU.
NADHANI WAJUA NANI MSHINDI HAPO.

NDIYO MAFUNDISHO YA KANISA LAKO HAYO CHINI YA UONGOZI WA ROHO MTAKATIFU WENU ??

 

[Gavana]

Wewe hamna kitu.
Unataka msikitini watamke jina la Yesu...!
Au Korani iandike jina la Yesu..!
We unafikiri hayo Majini yenye Korani yao yatahimili vipi hapo ?
Kiarabu Yesu anaitwa Yasuan.
Majini yaliwatia changa la macho.
Nao wakaingia kingi.
Issa maana yake ni uzeruzeru yaani albinizim.

Fanya jaribio hili, ingia msikitini halafu tamka jina LA Yesu Kristo wa Nazareti halafu uone kasheshe lake, na unaweza ukauawa.
Nenda msikiti mwingine tamka Issa bin Mariam, utapewa na Zawadi.

Je Yesu wa Wakristo Ndiye Yule Isa wa Waislam?


NI upotofu wa dhahiri kudai kuwa Nabii Issa au Yesu hawahusiani, kwa kupachika shuhuda zisizohusiana na mada husika. Na baya zaidi ni kule kutumia hoja dhaifu na za uzushi kama alivyofanya wakristo wengi.

Wakristo walijaribu kutoa sababu sita, ikiwemo jina, ukoo, kuumbwa, kuzaliwa, Utume na matendo ya Nabii Issa au Yesu (a.s) kama hoja za kutofautisha majina hayo.

Kwanza ningependa ieleweke kwamba hakuna tofauti kati ya Yesu na Issa kama wanavyotaka kupotosha. Ila ninachoweza kukiri hapa ni kwamba "Yesu mfufuka" anayehubiriwa na Bwana Paulo huyo ni tofauti kabisa na Nabii Issa bin Mariamu. Na kwa mtu asiyeelewa vema maandiko kwa hali yoyote ile ndiye anayeweza kuchanganyikiwa juu ya "Yesu sahihi" ambaye ndiye Nabii Issa bin Mariam (a.s.). Na dawa yake ni kukubali kuelimishwa na si kujifanya kujua, matokeo yake ukapotosha ukweli. Hii ni hatari sana! Sasa hebu tuone upotofu wa sababu hizo wanazozitaja za kutofautisha "Yesu na Issa".

JINA

Wakristo wanasema kimatamshi jina "Yesu" kwa Kiarabu ni "Yasu". Hivyo ndivyo aitwavyo na Waarabu Wakristo tangu zama za kabla ya Muhammad na ndivyo aitwavyo ndani ya Injili ya Kiarabu iliyotafsiriwa na Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad kabla ya Utume wa Muhammad (Sahihi Muslim 1, Hadithi 301).

Jina Issa linatokana na jina Ayas lenye maana ya "Wekundu uliozidiana na weupe" (Baidawi, Vol 1 Uk. 160) mwisho wa kukunuu.

Jibu ni kwamba siyo kweli jina "Yesu" kwa Kiarabu ni "Yasu" kama anavyodai wakristo. Ukweli ni kwamba Waarabu Wakristo jina "Yasu" ndilo jina walilolipokea kutoka kwa wale waliowapelekea ukristo ulianzishwa nje ya Uarabuni miaka mitatu baada ya Yesu au Nabii Issa (a.s) kuondoka.

Na ndilo jina waliloliingiza ndani ya Injili ya Kiarabu.

Na hii inafanana na jinsi baadhi hata ya Watanzania walivyopokea jina la yule Nabii Mbatizaji kwa matamshi tofauti.

Baadhi yao walipokea kwa tamshi la "Yohana" (Kiyunani), wengine "John" (Kiingereza) na wengine "Yahya" (Kiarabu).

Ataonekana wa ajabu atakayedai leo kwamba tamshi mojawapo katika jina hilo hapo juu kwamba ni la Kitanzania (Kiswahili) eti kwa vile wanaolitumia jina hilo ni Watanzania na limeandikwa ndani ya Injili ya Kiswahili!

Pia Yesu kuitwa "mwokozi" hiyo siyo maana ya jina lake. Lakini "uwokozi" ni jina la kazi yake aliyopewa kuifanya (Mathayo 18:11).

Hivyo, majina ya Yesu na Issa hayana maana yoyote zaidi ya kubaki kuwa ni majina tu. Na siyo lazima jina liwe na maana. Ila neno lenye maana ya "Wekundu uliozidiana na weupe" kwa Kiarabu (Baidawi Vol 1 Uk. 160) na siyo neno Issa.

(Matthew 18:11 does not appear in several current Bibles such as the New International Version, the New Century Version, the Contemporary English Version, Revised Standard Version and the New Living Translation... and is not found in the most reliable Greek manuscripts, such as the Siniatic and Vatican...)

Kwa mantiki hiyo, sababu hiyo (ya jina) bado haijamtofautisha Yesu na Issa. Lakini kama ilivyo kwa Yohana, Yahya au John, basi Issa na Yesu ni yule yule mmoja aliyezaliwa na Bikira Mariam (Qur’an 3:45 na Luka 1:26-31).

Isitoshe, Qur’an Tukufu ilipoeleza kwamba Nabii Issa siyo Mungu (5:72), hakusulubiwa (4:157-158), na ametumwa kwa wana wa Israeli peke yao (3:49),

Waarabu waliokuwa Wakristo hapo kabla walimfahamu kwamba huyo ndiye "Yesu sahihi" aliyekana "Uungu" katika Biblia pia (Marko 12:29-34) na ndiye aliyenusuriwa kuuawa kama ilivyoelezwa na Qur’an Tukufu na Biblia pia (Waebrania 5:7) na kweli katumwa kwa kondoo waliopotea wa nyumba ya Israeli peke yao (Mathayo 2:6 na 15:24).

Kilichofuatia baada ya kuelewa hivyo walisilimu na kumfuata Mtume Muhammad (s.a.w) ambaye ndiye Mtume pekee aliyetumwa ulimwengu mzima (Qur’an 21:107 na Yohana 16:7-14).

Pamoja na Waarabu hao, alisilimu pia aliyekuwa mfalme wa Ethiopia ya sasa (zamani Uhabeshi) Bw. Najash (Rejea historia ya maisha ya Nabii Muhammad (s.a.w.)

 

[mitale na midimu]

Adam kwetu sisi waislam ni nabii kwa mujibu wa aya za quran na hadith

3:59 Hakika mfano wa Isa kwa Mwenyezi Mungu ni kama mfano wa Adam; alimuumba kwa udongo kisha akamwambia: Kuwa! Basi akawa.

2:136. Semeni nyinyi: Tumemuamini Mwenyezi Mungu na yale tuliyo teremshiwa sisi, na yaliyo teremshwa kwa Ibrahim na Ismail na Is-hak na Yaakub na wajukuu zake, na waliyo pewa Musa na Isa, na pia waliyo pewa Manabii wengine kutoka kwa Mola wao Mlezi; hatutafautishi baina ya yeyote katika hao, na sisi tumesilimu kwake


Na hadith hii
Kutoka kwa Abu Dhar ambaye amesema: Nilisema: Ee Mjumbe wa Allaah, Nabii yupi wa mwanzo? Akasema: ((Aadam)). Nikasema: Ee Mjumbe wa Allaah, alikuwa ni Nabii? Akasema: ((Ndio Mtume aliyesemeshwa)) Nikasema: Ee Mjumbe wa Allaah. Wapo Mitume wangapi? Akasema: ((Mia tatu na makumi kidogo)) [Mishkaat Al-Maswaabiyh ikiwa na daraja ya Swahiyh]

alitoa unabii kwa nani,
na ulipokelewaje au ni title tu.

 

[Gavana]

Wewe hamna kitu.
Unataka msikitini watamke jina la Yesu...!
Au Korani iandike jina la Yesu..!
We unafikiri hayo Majini yenye Korani yao yatahimili vipi hapo ?
Kiarabu Yesu anaitwa Yasuan.
Majini yaliwatia changa la macho.
Nao wakaingia kingi.
Issa maana yake ni uzeruzeru yaani albinizim.

Fanya jaribio hili, ingia msikitini halafu tamka jina LA Yesu Kristo wa Nazareti halafu uone kasheshe lake, na unaweza ukauawa.
Nenda msikiti mwingine tamka Issa bin Mariam, utapewa na Zawadi.

The Birth of Jesus Christ – Competing mythologies
Bethlehem:	Matthew Mary/Joseph already live in Bethlehem	Luke Mary/Joseph live in Nazareth "Worldwide" Census (pretext for birthing in Bethlehem)
Angelic announcements:	to Joseph in dreams	to Mary in visions
Birth:	Birth in house	Birth in manger
Celestial sign:	Star in the East	Chorus of angels above a sheep pasture
Genealogy:	"42" generations back to Abraham (actually 41 names)	42 generations back to David. Then another 14 generations back to Abraham, and another 21 generations back to God himself.
Royal ancestry:	Lineage accentuates Jewishness	Extended ancestry now inclusive of Gentiles
Adoration:	from Magi Dream-inspired flight to Egypt Herod's murder of the innocents Move to (new home) Nazareth

 

[Gavana]

Bora umekuja embu jibu kwanza APA

Ww kama ww MTU mzima unaweza kuoga na katoto cha miaka 6 na mko uchi wa nyama na uka kaingilia , ukiweka akilini mnaemfuata mudi ndo tabia zake zilikuwa , pia tafuta mtoto wa 6 yrs umuone yupoje

Nasisitiza mjibu kwanza ndo muulize maswali ya Jesus Christ

Raped by a ghost?

In Matthew, angels appear to Joseph in his dreams, advising him of his young bride's divine impregnation.

Nonsense three levels deep.

But Mary herself does not get a tip off until Luke writes in Mary's own angel in Luke 1.35.

"Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit.

And her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly.

But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins."

– Matthew 1.18-21.

 

[Gavana]

Esau ndio ISSA

BUT ISSA SIO YESU.
ISSA WA WAISLAM NDIO MPINGA KRISTO WA WAKRISTO NA YESU WA WAKRISTON NDIO MPINGA KRISTO WA WAISLAM.
ISSA ATAWAKUSANYA WATU WA DUNIA HII NA JESHI LAKE WAKIWA DINI MOJA "NEW WORLD ORDER" ILI AKAPAMBANE NA YESU.
NADHANI WAJUA NANI MSHINDI HAPO.

The New Testament present two radically different accounts of the nativity.

The Gospel of Matthew tells of the appearance of an angel to Joseph in a dream, urging him to marry his divinely impregnated virgin wife-to-be; of a new star in the sky and wise men from the east; of the flight of the holy family to Egypt and of the massacre of the innocents of Bethlehem. Matthew invokes ancient Jewish prophecy to validate his surreal claims.

The Gospel of Luke mentions none of these dramatic events but instead reports the appearance of an angel to Mary; a worldwide census; the birth in a manger, a choir of angels; adoring shepherds; and a joyful presentation in the Temple. None of this is mentioned by Matthew.

The lack of mutual support between the two tales, and the fantastic nature of the purported events are damning enough. But what blows the fable clean away from the known universe is the ignorance of any such yarn by the earliest Christians, whether Matthew's version or the fabrication of Luke. Not Paul, nor any of the epistle writers, know the tale and the gospels of Mark and John say nothing of the birthing of Jesus either. Those who should have known most about these wondrous events know least.

But then, the fable of the nativity is late and fake and was a necessary step in transforming the righteous hero of Mark's gospel into a demigod and – at length – into a preexistent co-creator of the universe.

 

[Gavana]

alitoa unabii kwa nani,
na ulipokelewaje au ni title tu.

"Star of Wonder" all right!

Soon after the birth of Jesus, magi from the east arrive in Jerusalem, and ask, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews?" The word gets around that they had "seen his star in the east". But why, one wonders, did the magi associate a new star with a Jewish king rather than one of their own, or indeed with some other portent?

In any event, the sky watchers are secretly called into the presence of the current Jewish king, the dastardly Herod the Great, who obviously, is always ready to receive eastern mystics who say they've seen stars. But why had not the whole of Judea also seen the star? In the normal universe the same stars are seen across a vast arc of the hemisphere.

Herod asks the visitors when, exactly, the star had appeared. We will subsequently learn that it was two years previous ("according to the time that he inquired exactly from the mages" – Matthew 2.16). Had they followed the star for two years or merely made a bee-line for Jerusalem?

It is the words of the magi – and not the star – that disturb Herod – and, oddly, "all Jerusalem with him." Was not Herod a brutal and hated king? Should not the people have been delighted by the birth of a new king heralded by a celestial sign – or were the Jews dependent on eastern magi to interpret their own oracles?

But no, Herod asks his own chief priests "where the Christ was to be born" (he surely could have done that at any time) – and the priests provide the answer (Bethlehem, as we all know), information which Herod passes on to the magi. The mystics are redirected by Herod himself towards the town made famous by David, a mere short walk from Jerusalem. Remarkably, rather than accompany with his guards or tag the worship-bound magi, Herod merely asks them to return to him with news of the child "that I may come and worship Him also.” The "wise men" are evidently not wise to the fact that Herod might be a tad displeased with the birth of his replacement. It's also rather odd that Herod, with all the resources at his disposal, could not have found the holy infant with or without word from the magi – after all, we're ask to believe he soon after killed all the others!

Thus it seems that the magi first saw the "star in the east" and knew that it was the sign of a royal birth to the Jews – but the Jews themselves did not see the "star", or simply did not relate it to anything special before the magi showed up.

It also seems that the Jews knew that the Christ was to be born in Bethlehem – but the magi, experts on Jewish oracles, did not!

 

[Gavana]

alitoa unabii kwa nani,
na ulipokelewaje au ni title tu.

"Westward leading, still proceeding"?

"When they heard the king, they departed; and behold, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came and stood over where the young Child was. When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceedingly great joy." – Matthew 2.9-10. (NKJV).

Did the "wise men" follow a star from the east? Matthew does not say that but many Christians appear to think so, no doubt due to the popularity of the famous carol. But if that were the case, the author of Matthew not only wrote fiction and passed it off as fact, he confused east with west! To get from the east to the west guided by a star, the star would need to be in the west, not the east. "After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him." – Matthew 2.1-2. If the "wise men" reached Jerusalem unaided by a star – a journey of up to two years and quite a distance – why did they need to ask Herod, of all people, where to go next? In reality, Matthew was merely working up a yarn from scripture, "a Star out of Jacob". A new star was indicative of divine intervention in human affairs and symbolized "the light".

 

[Gavana]

alitoa unabii kwa nani,
na ulipokelewaje au ni title tu.

Following yonder star?

The star "seen in the east" (more correctly understood as "at the rising") now makes a reappearance (or else a course correction!) This time there is no uncertainty, the star really does lead the magi, not east or west but south! Was the star itself aware of the exchange of vital information between Herod and the magi or had it "known" all along that it would "pick up" the magi in Jerusalem and lead them on the final leg of their journey?

Did no one else in Jerusalem notice this extraordinary phenomenon? Where were the frenzied crowds if "all of Jerusalem" was disturbed?

And just how long might it take a "star" to traverse around six miles? It obviously would not have been long – Bethlehem was a walk of barely an hour or so from Jerusalem, and rather less if our magi were on the camels so beloved of Christmas card vendors.

Remarkably, the star makes a precision stop over a particular house (a maneuver challenging enough for a helicopter).

"They went on their way, and the star they had seen in the east went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was." – Matthew 2.9.

Is the "star" not really a star at all but rather, a guiding angel? Aah, that makes it all so much more realistic...

 

[mitale na midimu]

"Star of Wonder" all right!

Soon after the birth of Jesus, magi from the east arrive in Jerusalem, and ask, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews?" The word gets around that they had "seen his star in the east". But why, one wonders, did the magi associate a new star with a Jewish king rather than one of their own, or indeed with some other portent?

In any event, the sky watchers are secretly called into the presence of the current Jewish king, the dastardly Herod the Great, who obviously, is always ready to receive eastern mystics who say they've seen stars. But why had not the whole of Judea also seen the star? In the normal universe the same stars are seen across a vast arc of the hemisphere.

Herod asks the visitors when, exactly, the star had appeared. We will subsequently learn that it was two years previous ("according to the time that he inquired exactly from the mages" – Matthew 2.16). Had they followed the star for two years or merely made a bee-line for Jerusalem?

It is the words of the magi – and not the star – that disturb Herod – and, oddly, "all Jerusalem with him." Was not Herod a brutal and hated king? Should not the people have been delighted by the birth of a new king heralded by a celestial sign – or were the Jews dependent on eastern magi to interpret their own oracles?

But no, Herod asks his own chief priests "where the Christ was to be born" (he surely could have done that at any time) – and the priests provide the answer (Bethlehem, as we all know), information which Herod passes on to the magi. The mystics are redirected by Herod himself towards the town made famous by David, a mere short walk from Jerusalem. Remarkably, rather than accompany with his guards or tag the worship-bound magi, Herod merely asks them to return to him with news of the child "that I may come and worship Him also.” The "wise men" are evidently not wise to the fact that Herod might be a tad displeased with the birth of his replacement. It's also rather odd that Herod, with all the resources at his disposal, could not have found the holy infant with or without word from the magi – after all, we're ask to believe he soon after killed all the others!

Thus it seems that the magi first saw the "star in the east" and knew that it was the sign of a royal birth to the Jews – but the Jews themselves did not see the "star", or simply did not relate it to anything special before the magi showed up.

It also seems that the Jews knew that the Christ was to be born in Bethlehem – but the magi, experts on Jewish oracles, did not!

hayana uhusiano na ulichoquote