The Radar Scandal: Investigation & Progress

[zeenam]

The funny thing is most of our ministers possess beautiful houses worth a fortune, yet apparently civil servants can't accumulate wealth! Wake up, many of our leaders undertake businesses outside their civil duties to enable them to prosper

 

[William J. Malecela]

Sorry to disappoint you, some of us believe in the the presumption of innocence (being innocent until proven guilty by the court of law) therefore the burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which has to collect and present enough proving evidence to convince the judge and jury, who are restrained and ordered by law to consider only actual evidence and testimony that is legally admissible, and in most cases lawfully obtained, that the accused is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Mkuu GT,

Heshima mbele kaka, hapa kwenye ishu ya Chenge, kuna sheria na siasa, part ya siasa imeshachukua mkondo wake isipokuwa tu imeacha maswali mengi, kama kweli hizo hela zake ni za halali kwa nini amejiuzulu?

Ndio maana sasa tunasubiri unchunguzi ukamilike ili tujue exactly, alipataje hizo hela sioni sababu zozote za kuanza ku-speculate hizi hadithi, ingawa maneno yako ni kweli sana mkuu kuwa innocent mpaka proven gulity, sasa cha kushangaza ni kwa nini Chenge amekimbia kivuli chake mwenyewe?

Wazungu wamesema anazo hela, yeye huku bongo anakimbia uwaziri does it make a sense to you kwa mtu ambaye amesoma sheria Havard? Kwani hayo uliyoyasema hapo juu yeye chenge hayajui? Wakuu tunaelewa sana kwa maneno yenu kuwa mmeenda shule na English inaonekana kuwa inapanda sana, lakini msituchanganye wananchi walalahoi!

 

[Mwafrika wa Kike]

Hatetewi mtu hapa. Ila it needs to be proven. Sikatai wala sikubali. Niko neutral.

Unategemea nani akufanyie hiyo proof hapa? Hii sio mahakama na we both know that. Even if one of JF members was a prosecutor in this case, I dont think talking about this case here would have been one of his/her strategies.

So far, we both are talking over what we know so far. We both know that Chenge is a killer and a thief. What about that!

 

[Mwafrika wa Kike]

The funny thing is most of our ministers possess beautiful houses worth a fortune, yet apparently civil servants can't accumulate wealth! Wake up, many of our leaders undertake businesses outside their civil duties to enable them to prosper

Who is talking about beatiful houses here! Chenge has been found to possess billions of shillings!

 

[Nzokanhyilu]

Kweli ndivyo tulivyo, yaani mpaka Chenge ana watetezi among sisi walalahoi?

Mkulu Jasusi,

Maneno mzito sana na heshima mbele kwa kusimamia ukweli!

Hatetewi mtu. Tatizo mashambulizi mengine hapa JF na media zetu, tunajitega wenyewe, hata kama majibu yapo. Its the approach that is wrong.

Ishu ni kwamba, huto tu-vijisenti tulitoonekana, kwa mtu kama yeye ni rahisi sana ku-justify.

Kuhusu majisenti hayo mengine via Tangold sijui, utamu unakuja kwa sababu ni via kampuni. Ambayo inaunganisha wengi zaidi. Hapo ndio ugumu wenyeweee......

 

[Kithuku]

Mkuu Mwanakijiji mahojiano ndio hayo ya dakika moja tu?

 

[zeenam]

Who is talking about beatiful houses here! Chenge has been found to possess billions of shillings!

you mean 1 billion not billions!!! The one in Tangold isn't his, he's merely a director, so unless nowadays director and company accounts are one and the same I don't see the significance.

Houses cost money, they are worth money because land is one of the few things that hardly depreciates...owning houses worth $500,000 I guess is nothing or large farm! look at your leaders, if you condemn one for his wealth, condemn the rest for theirs. You want proof of their values just get a real estate surveyor.

 

[Nzokanhyilu]

Unategemea nani akufanyie hiyo proof hapa? Hii sio mahakama na we both know that. Even if one of JF members was a prosecutor in this case, I dont think talking about this case here would have been one of his/her strategies.

So far, we both are talking over what we know so far. We both know that Chenge is a killer and a thief. What about that!

Mimi sijasema ni killer na thief. Hayo sijui. Sina proof.

 

[Mwafrika wa Kike]

Hatetewi mtu. Tatizo mashambulizi mengine hapa JF na media zetu, tunajitega wenyewe, hata kama majibu yapo. Its the approach that is wrong.

Ukitaka the right approach inabidi sasa hivi uwe Tanzania ukisadia uchunguzi wa hii case. Hapa JF sio mahakama na sio sehemu ya kuamua hii case. So wewe ndio uko wrong.

Ishu ni kwamba, huto tu-vijisenti tulitoonekana, kwa mtu kama yeye ni rahisi sana ku-justify.

WEwe mwenyewe hapa umejaribu kujustfy ukashindwa.....

Kuhusu majisenti hayo mengine via Tangold sijui, utamu unakuja kwa sababu ni via kampuni. Ambayo inaunganisha wengi zaidi. Hapo ndio ugumu wenyeweee......

Hilo ndiyo part ya conversation ila kumbuka kuwa kama wezi ni wengi hiyo peke yake sio sababu ya kumfanya Chenge asiwe mwizi na muuaji wa watoto wachanga hapo Tanzania.

 

[Mzee Mwanakijiji]

Kithuku.. si umemsikia leo ndivyo alivyokuwa anajibu watu akitaka sauti yake isikike tu.. nilijaribu kumpress kwa issue nyingine akachomoa...

 

[Mwafrika wa Kike]

Mimi sijasema ni killer na thief. Hayo sijui. Sina proof.

Kama hujasema hivyo ni sawa tu maana hulazimishwi kuamini chochote hapa JF!

 

[Mwafrika wa Kike]

you mean 1 billion not billions!!! The one in Tangold isn't his, he's merely a director, so unless nowadays director and company accounts are one and the same I don't see the significance.

Billions with S

Houses cost money, they are worth money because land is one of the few things that hardly depreciates...owning houses worth $500,000 I guess is nothing or large farm! look at your leaders, if you condemn one for his wealth, condemn the rest for theirs. You want proof of their values just get a real estate surveyor.

you dont have to tell me who to condemn and who to not condemn. I so far have chosen -the killer of babies in Tanzania - chenge

 

[William J. Malecela]

Ishu ni kwamba, huto tu-vijisenti tulitoonekana, kwa mtu kama yeye ni rahisi sana ku-justify.

Mkuu Nzoka,

Logically una point nzirto sana, lakini katika political realistic za bongo uko mbali sana na ukweli, halafu wewe na wenzio mnashindwa kutoa legal au political explaination of why Chenge, alijuzulu baada tu ya kutangazwa na wazungu kuwa anazo hizo hela, mimi nilifikiri kwake ni a home run case kutueleza how amepata hizo hela, badala ya kukimbia uongozi wa taifa kwa sababu ya maneno ya wazungu tu? Tena walioko Ulaya?

Hivi kweli mkuu unajua na thamani ya hizi nyumba zake mbili pale kwenye kona?

 

[zeenam]

Billions with S



you dont have to tell me who to condemn and who to not condemn. I so far have chosen -the killer of babies in Tanzania - chenge

aisee kutoka mfisadi mpaka muuwaji! My Lord, I'm speechless! What's next, he's the anti-christ?

 

[Mwafrika wa Kike]

aisee kutoka mfisadi mpaka muuwaji! My Lord, I'm speechless! What's next, he's the anti-christ?

Whatever fits your description!

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Whatever fits your description!

Hujamjua tu huyu mtu...?

 

[Nzokanhyilu]

Ukitaka the right approach inabidi sasa hivi uwe Tanzania ukisadia uchunguzi wa hii case. Hapa JF sio mahakama na sio sehemu ya kuamua hii case. So wewe ndio uko wrong.



WEwe mwenyewe hapa umejaribu kujustfy ukashindwa.....



Hilo ndiyo part ya conversation ila kumbuka kuwa kama wezi ni wengi hiyo peke yake sio sababu ya kumfanya Chenge asiwe mwizi na muuaji wa watoto wachanga hapo Tanzania.

Ku-justify ni rahisi. Cha muhimu, mwanakijiji alisema ni paper-trail. Thats all.

Ngoja nikupe simple mfano, maana watu wanaona hiyo £500 ni kubwa sana. Mimi nikitoka ofisini nikamfanyie mtu kazi ofisini chini ya kampuni, callout charge kwa kampuni ni £1,000 hadi £1,500. Cha kushangaza kazi inafanyika maximum 2 hrs hadi 3 at most. Hii ni consultant on behalf of the company. Nina experience ya miaka 5. Wapo wanaocharge katika mambo ya biashara kwa mfano £5,000 kwa siku etc. This is peanuts money.

Je, mtu kama Chenge anashindwa kuingiza hiyo 1 million over 30yrs?

My point is, amount is not an issue, issue ni imeingia vipi na kwa sababu zipi. Hapo ndio kazi ku-prove otherwise. So long the Tanzanian leadership dont care, then makelele ya bure. SFO labda watafanya kazi yao, then the rest wanaachia Tanzania washughulikie. Then what??

 

[Mwafrika wa Kike]

Hujamjua tu huyu mtu...?

Nlishamjua kitambo ila naendeleza what I do best here kwa watu kama yeye ... kumchezesha kama doli!

 

[Zanaki]

Wewe ulijua mkono anapata pesa hiyo? Si mpaka mlipopewa mahesabu hapa juzi? Chenge akitoa mahesabu je?

Alijibu hapohapo alipoulizwa,hakujikanyaga kwa kusema ni vijisenti

Nyerere alikuwa mjamaa, hangeweza kutengeneza pesa hiyo kwenye peak yake. Labda angekuwa mzima leo hii angefikiri kibepari angeingiza pesa hiyo kiulaini. Kwanza wazungu hawakumpenda, zaidi ya labda wascandinavia. Kwanza walikuwa wanamwona mzibaji wa dili za kuiba bongo. Nina uhakika Mandela akitaka kuingiza hela hiyo sasa hivi ataingiza (labda anaingiza), na hana ujuzi wa maana.

Mbona baada ya kustaafu Nyerere alikuwa analima mahindi na kuuza,hata ITV sikumoja walimtembelea kwenye shamba lake.Ingekuwa wazungu wanamchukia hivyo basi hata ile South Center ambayo makao yake ni Geneva asingepewa...au umesahau yeye alikuwa Chairman wake mpaka alipofariki.
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Usifananishe nafasi aliyokuwa nayo Chenge, na PM Sumaye. Infact, we una uhakika gani hiyo pesa Sumaye hana nje? Tuliza boli.

Sumaye hana,walisema ana shamba Kibaigwa,wakati huo ikawa ni mzinga wa skendo!Na anakaa hukohuko,kila siku tunabanana nae kwenye foleni kimara.Sumaye hana bilioni baba,upende usipende

I am real surprised at the fact that most people in here dont realise that Chenge is a gold-mine of information and he can command that money if he made the right moves. If you cant see that, then you are really underestimating the value of africa to the west.

well then,he obviously didnt see it as u did...he made the right moves alright,he just left minor details,like do not leave important iformation lying around at ur home.

Mzee,la huyu halina justification,na kama zipo anasubiri nini kusema? Kama pesa alipata kihalali kwa nini account zake ziwe ceased,tena while still minister.Sasa wewe unasema ni kichwa sana,kichwa gani hicho kinabambwa kiurahisi hivyo! Walishazoea maaskari wa bongo,kuwa watawakatia mpango kidogo mchezo unaisha....sasa hawa SFO,dah!

POLENI!

 

[Mwafrika wa Kike]

Ku-justify ni rahisi. Cha muhimu, mwanakijiji alisema ni paper-trail. Thats all.

Ngoja nikupe simple mfano, maana watu wanaona hiyo £500 ni kubwa sana. Mimi nikitoka ofisini nikamfanyie mtu kazi ofisini chini ya kampuni, callout charge kwa kampuni ni £1,000 hadi £1,500. Cha kushangaza kazi inafanyika maximum 2 hrs hadi 3 at most. Hii ni consultant on behalf of the company. Nina experience ya miaka 5. Wapo wanaocharge katika mambo ya biashara kwa mfano £5,000 kwa siku etc. This is peanuts money.

Haya bado ni maelezo tu... yaunganishe na Chenge na kisha ukatoa mifano ya haya mapato.

Je, mtu kama Chenge anashindwa kuingiza hiyo 1 million over 30yrs?
My point is, amount is not an issue, issue ni imeingia vipi na kwa sababu zipi. Hapo ndio kazi ku-prove otherwise. So long the Tanzanian leadership dont care, then makelele ya bure. SFO labda watafanya kazi yao, then the rest wanaachia Tanzania washughulikie. Then what??

Mtu yeyote anaweza kuingiza milioni moja kama akiokota kipande cha dhahabu, akishinda lottery, na mengine mengi. Unganisha vyanzo vya mapato unavyoongelea hapa na Chenge. Hili bado hujafanya.