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nairobae said:
Katiba inatambua National Anthem, Court of Arms na Flag. Hio upuzi ya picha ya Rais haiko Kwa Katiba because president's come and go but the Kenya remains supreme. Nyinyi endeleeni kulamba suluhu haga munaweka picha zake hadi Kwa choo eti munampenda. 😂😂

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President Ruto's portrait removed from Siaya county assembly chambers

The exact date the portrait was removed remains unclear.
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Hakuna aliyesema picha ya Rais ni National Symbol ya kudumu kama Flag au National Anthem. Hapo umechanganya mambo mawili tofauti.

Kitu nilichokwambia ni kwamba nchini Kenya, kupitia government protocol, standing orders, circulars na administrative practice, ofisi za serikali huweka picha rasmi ya Rais aliyepo madarakani. Ndiyo maana hata huyo wa Siaya County Assembly alipoiondoa ikawa habari ya kitaifa na mjadala mkubwa, maana kuna official expectation ya kuwa nayo kwenye public offices.

Na hata Article 131(1)(e) inamtambua Rais kama “symbol of national unity”. Haimaanishi portrait ni constitutional symbol, bali inatoa msingi wa protocol ya serikali kumwakilisha Mkuu wa Nchi kwenye taasisi za umma.

Pia hakuna aliyesema wananchi binafsi lazima waweke picha ya Rais nyumbani au dukani. Hilo hata serikali ya Kenya ilishawahi kulieleza wazi.

Kwa hiyo usichanganye:
National Symbols siyo Government Protocol.
 
nairobae said:
Katiba inatambua National Anthem, Court of Arms na Flag. Hio upuzi ya picha ya Rais haiko Kwa Katiba because president's come and go but the Kenya remains supreme. Nyinyi endeleeni kulamba suluhu haga munaweka picha zake hadi Kwa choo eti munampenda. 😂😂

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President Ruto's portrait removed from Siaya county assembly chambers

The exact date the portrait was removed remains unclear.
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Unachanganya “National Symbols” na “Government Protocol”.

Hakuna sehemu niliyosema picha ya Rais ni sawa na Flag, Coat of Arms au National Anthem kwenye Katiba ya Kenya. Hata Katiba ya Tanzania hakuna ibara inayosema portrait ya Rais ni National Symbol ya kudumu.

Hoja ilikuwa tofauti kabisa:
Nchi zote mbili Kenya na Tanzania zina utaratibu wa kiutawala na government protocol wa kuweka picha ya Rais kwenye ofisi za serikali.

Kenya:
  • Article 131(1)(e) inamtambua Rais kama “Symbol of National Unity”.
  • National Flag, Emblems and Names Act inadhibiti matumizi ya presidential likeness.
  • Government Standing Orders, Circulars na administrative protocol ndizo zinazofanya public offices ziwe na official portrait ya Rais aliyepo madarakani.
Tanzania:
  • Pia hakuna kifungu cha Katiba kinachosema “kila office lazima iwe na picha ya Rais”.
  • Lakini kupitia government directives, protocol na utumishi wa umma, ofisi za serikali huweka picha ya Rais.
  • Serikali hata husambaza official portraits rasmi kila Rais mpya anapoingia.
Kwa hiyo reality ya nchi zote mbili ni hii:
Portrait ya Rais kwenye public offices ni suala la state protocol/administrative practice, siyo National Symbol ya kudumu kwenye Katiba.

Na kuhusu hiyo link ya Siaya, ndiyo point yenyewe hiyo. Kama haikuwa sehemu ya official government expectation, isingekuwa national controversy mpaka iwe habari kwenye media za Kenya.

Kwa hiyo acha emotions pembeni, tujadili facts za constitutional law na public administration.
 
President of China said:
Hakuna aliyesema picha ya Rais ni National Symbol ya kudumu kama Flag au National Anthem. Hapo umechanganya mambo mawili tofauti.

Kitu nilichokwambia ni kwamba nchini Kenya, kupitia government protocol, standing orders, circulars na administrative practice, ofisi za serikali huweka picha rasmi ya Rais aliyepo madarakani. Ndiyo maana hata huyo wa Siaya County Assembly alipoiondoa ikawa habari ya kitaifa na mjadala mkubwa, maana kuna official expectation ya kuwa nayo kwenye public offices.

Na hata Article 131(1)(e) inamtambua Rais kama “symbol of national unity”. Haimaanishi portrait ni constitutional symbol, bali inatoa msingi wa protocol ya serikali kumwakilisha Mkuu wa Nchi kwenye taasisi za umma.

Pia hakuna aliyesema wananchi binafsi lazima waweke picha ya Rais nyumbani au dukani. Hilo hata serikali ya Kenya ilishawahi kulieleza wazi.

Kwa hiyo usichanganye:
National Symbols siyo Government Protocol.
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Si ulisema ni sheria eti iko kwa katiba, sasa sahii imegeuka tena kua protocol. Fala ni fala tu.
 
nairobae said:
Si ulisema ni sheria eti iko kwa katiba, sasa sahii imegeuka tena kua protocol. Fala ni fala tu.
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Soma nilichoandika vizuri kabla ya kukurupuka kutukana.
Sijasema Katiba ya Kenya ina kifungu kinachosema:
Every government office must display the President’s portrait.

Nilichosema ni kwamba suala hilo linaegemea kwenye:
  • Constitution (mfano Article 131(1)(e) kumtambua Rais kama symbol of national unity),
  • National Flag, Emblems and Names Act,
  • Standing Orders,
  • Circulars,
  • Government administrative protocol.
Sheria na protocol vinafanya kazi pamoja kwenye public administration. Si kila kitu lazima kiandikwe sentence kwa sentence ndani ya Katiba ndipo kiwe official government practice.
Mfano:

hakuna kifungu cha Katiba ya Kenya kinachosema “portrait itundikwe ukutani”,
lakini bado serikali yenyewe husambaza official presidential portraits na public offices huzitundika kwa government protocol.

Ndiyo maana hata ukiondoa portrait kwenye public office inakuwa national controversy na suala la official conduct, si jambo la kawaida tu.

Na Tanzania pia ipo hivyo hivyo:
1. hakuna kifungu cha Katiba kinachosema lazima,
2. lakini government protocol na directives zinafanya public offices ziwe nazo.
Kwa hiyo point ilikuwa:
Kenya na Tanzania zote zina official state practice ya kuweka picha ya Rais kwenye ofisi za serikali, hata kama si “constitutional symbol” kama Flag au Anthem.

Sasa kama huwezi kutofautisha kati ya:
  1. constitutional national symbol,
  2. statutory framework,
  3. administrative protocol,
    basi usikimbilie kuita watu mafala wakati discussion yenyewe ni ya legal administration.
 
Teargass said:
Another win for Mombasa.

Ni kama hawa warabu wote wameamua kukimbia Tanzania. What's happening there kwani?


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🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 Tumewabinya mpaka Protective regulations zenu mnaziacha. Mpaka Shishi Food atakuja kufungua Company hapo Kenya.

Ndio kama tulivyokuwa tunasema tutaanza kuwauzia ugali badala ya mahindi na unga
 
President of China said:
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 Tumewabinya mpaka Protective regulations zenu mnaziacha. Mpaka Shishi Food atakuja kufungua Company hapo Kenya.

Ndio kama tulivyokuwa tunasema tutaanza kuwauzia ugali badala ya mahindi na unga
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Unafurahia Mali ya mwarabu? I have been waiting to see a real Tanzanian coming to invest in Kenya but hakuna.

If you are keen ungejua kwamba those Arabs are shifting bases silently.
 
Teargass said:
Unafurahia Mali ya mwarabu? I have been waiting to see a real Tanzanian coming to invest in Kenya but hakuna.

If you are keen ungejua kwamba those Arabs are shifting bases silently.
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You were creating a difficult environment for investors from Tanzania while protecting the interests of the whites. Now the whites are running away from you. There is no way now, you have to come and lick the feet of Tanzania in a stable economy.
 
President of China said:
You were creating a difficult environment for investors from Tanzania while protecting the interests of the whites. Now the whites are running away from you. There is no way now, you have to come and lick the feet of Tanzania in a stable economy.
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The funny part is that those are not Tanzanians.
 
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