Battle: Dar es Salaam vs Nairobi

Battle: Dar es Salaam vs Nairobi

Mambo yanayowaumiza wakenya

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NairobiWalker said:
Na mbona Wakenya wakiona documentary za udini Tanzania unasema hawaijui Tanzania? Yani wewe uijue Kenya through documentaries pekee alafu Mimi niijue Tanzania through both documentaries na kuitembelea ila opinion yako ichukuliwe kwa uzito kuliko yangu?
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ni nili tushawahi chinjana kwa udini kama nyinyi mlivyochinjana kwa ukabila 2007?
 
Chamoto said:
Tatizo lililopo, wanaoongelea udini wanapewa platform ili kuonekana kama upo kivile, ila majority ya waTz hawana hizo mambo.

Tumeoleana sana waTz. Mimi ni mkristo ila na ndugu wa damu kabisa waislam, both sides of my family. Na hii ya kuoleana ipo kwa asilimia zaidi 80 ya waTz.
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That is precisely how religiosity operates. Or do you imagine that when you hear of a country struggling with religious or ethnic tensions, it means its citizens are incapable of coexisting? You spend so much time here claiming that Kenya is overwhelmed by tribalism, yet have you ever set foot in Kenya and found ordinary people unable to relate to one another? These forms of discrimination manifest primarily at leadership and institutional levels. Here in Nairobi, it is actually uncommon to find someone who insists on marrying strictly within their tribe.
 
NairobiWalker said:
That is precisely how religiosity operates. Or do you imagine that when you hear of a country struggling with religious or ethnic tensions, it means its citizens are incapable of coexisting? You spend so much time here claiming that Kenya is overwhelmed by tribalism, yet have you ever set foot in Kenya and found ordinary people unable to relate to one another? These forms of discrimination manifest primarily at leadership and institutional levels. Here in Nairobi, it is actually uncommon to find someone who insists on marrying strictly within their tribe.
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Hivi unanijibu mimi au umenichanganya? Maana si mimi niliyeshikilia bango kuongelea ukabila wa Kenya. Nimetaja mara moja tuu, tena katika kuwatetea kuwa hamna udini.
 
Chamoto said:
Hivi unanijibu mimi au umenichanganya? Maana si mimi niliyeshikilia bango kuongelea ukabila wa Kenya. Nimetaja mara mija tuu, tena nikiwatetea kuwa hamna udini.
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By 'YOU' Namaanisha generally Tanzanians who contribute to this thread.
Nimekujibu wewe. Ukabila wa Kenya haukuwa the main point ila example tu kwa main point. Main point ni hii hapa:-

"............do you imagine that when you hear of a country struggling with religious or ethnic tensions, it means its citizens are incapable of coexisting?"
 
NairobiWalker said:
"............do you imagine that when you hear of a country struggling with religious or ethnic tensions, it means its citizens are incapable of coexisting?"
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Mara nyingi jamii hizo huwa hazichangamani, wanakuwa hawafahamiani vizuri. Wakipigwa propaganda kidogo tuu, wanakuwa nyumbu. Waingereza wameitumia hii kwenye makoloni yao yote (kuweka matabaka) divide and conquer.

Kuhusu kuishi pamoja, Tanzania ni tofauti sana na nchi nyingine, ilijengwa (engineered) kuondoa tofauti za kidini na kikabila.

Zamani, ukienda sekondari, ilikuwa (nitakupa mfano wa miji ya Kenya) ukitoka Mombasa, unapelekwa Turkana, wa Malaba anaenda Voi, yule wa Naivasha anapelekwa Malindi.

Unaona huo mchanganyiko?

Hiyo ndiyo jamii ya Tanzania ilivyojengwa na Nyerere. Wengi wa hawa walioleana na kuzaa kizazi chetu sisi, Gen X na Y.
 
mwaiofhawaii said:
This a side of Bongo I never knew existed. It’s like there has been always a religious tension beneath that Ujamaa unity that we all know and it’s only now coming to surface. Religious time bomb is more dangerous than any form of tribalism. Trust me.
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Sasa hapo udini upo wapi?
 
mwaiofhawaii said:
This a side of Bongo I never knew existed. It’s like there has been always a religious tension beneath that Ujamaa unity that we all know and it’s only now coming to surface. Religious time bomb is more dangerous than any form of tribalism. Trust me.
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Unaacha kujadili udini wa kweli uliotokea westgate na garrisa unajadili ushuzi?
 
Chamoto said:
Mara nying jamii hizo huwa hazichangamani, wanakuwa hawafahamiani vizuri. Wakipigwa propaganda kidogo tuu, wanakuwa nyumbu. Waingereza wameitumia hii kwenye makoloni yao yote (kuweka matabaka) divide and conquer.
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With that logic then Kenya hakuna ukabila.
Chamoto said:
Kuhusu kuishi pamoja, Tanzania ni tofauti ssna na nchi nyingine, ilijengwa (engineered) kuondoa tofauti za kidini na kikabila.

Zamani, ukienda sekondari, ilikuwa (nitakupa mfano wa miji ya Kenya) ukitoka Mombasa, unapelekwa Turkana, wa Malaba anaenda Voi, yule wa Naivasha anapelekwa Malindi.

Unaona huo mchanganyiko?

Hiyo ndiyo jamii ya Tanzania ilivyojengwa na Nyerere. Wengi wa hawa walioleana na kuzaa kizazi chetu sisi, Gen X na Y.
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Bro, this is a very normal thing. Nimekuja kugundua Tanzanians have an exaggarated sense of togetherness. Yani vitu vya kawaida wao wanaona ni maajabu ya umoja wa Nyerere. Mambo ya kutosomea mkoa ama wilaya yako ni kitu cha kawaida sana. Kenya kuna aina nne za shule.
1. National Schools - These are the highest rated schools that admit students with highest marks. These schools admit students from all over the country. Utakuwa Kakamega uitwe National School Mombasa.

2. Extra County Schools (Previously Provincial Schools) - These schools are rated lower than National schools. They admit students within a region For example, an extra county school in Machakos can admit students from Machakos, Kitui, Makueni, Embu, Meru, Isiolo and Marsabit counties.

3. Sub-County Schools (Formally district schools) These ones admit students within the same county.

4. Divisional Schools - These ones are mostly day mixed schools and can admit students within a workable distance from the school.


Sasa usione hii mambo kuwa maajabu sana.
Ukabila huwa unaonekana tu wakati wa kupiga kura ama wakati fisadi mmoja anapotaka kujitetea analaumu kuonewa kisa kabila lake linakuwa witch-hunted. Otherwise on a normal day-to-day interactions huo ujinga huwezi uona kabisa.
 
NairobiWalker said:
With that logic then Kenya hakuna ukabila.

Bro, this is a very normal thing. Nimekuja kugundua Tanzanians have an exaggarated sense of togetherness. Yani vitu vya kawaida wao wanaona ni maajabu ya umoja wa Nyerere. Mambo ya kutosomea mkoa ama wilaya yako ni kitu cha kawaida sana. Kenya kuna aina nne za shule.
1. National Schools - These are the highest rated schools that admit students with highest marks. These schools admit students from all over the country. Utakuwa Kakamega uitwe National School Mombasa.

2. Extra County Schools (Previously Provincial Schools) - These schools are rated lower than National schools. They admit students within a region For example, an extra county school in Machakos can admit students from Machakos, Kitui, Makueni, Embu, Meru, Isiolo and Marsabit counties.

3. Sub-County Schools (Formally district schools) These ones admit students within the same county.

4. Divisional Schools - These ones are mostly day mixed schools and can admit students within a workable distance from the school.


Sasa usione hii mambo kuwa maajabu sana.
Ukabila huwa unaonekana tu wakati wa kupiga kura ama wakati fisadi mmoja anapotaka kujitetea analaumu kuonewa kisa kabila lake linakuwa witch-hunted. Otherwise on a normal day-to-day interactions huo ujinga huwezi uona kabisa.
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Wewe sidhani hata umenielewa nilichokiandika.

Nimesema hii ilikuwa sera za kimkakati kipindi cha ujamaa, ambapo 99% ya shule zilikuwa za serikali.

Hivyo 99% ya wanafunzi wa kitanzania wanachanganywa nchi nzima ili wafahamiane kama raia wa nchi moja.

Hata kama Kenya mnakitu kama hicho, ni kwa % ndogo na impact yake kwa nchi ni almost negligible.
 
Chamoto said:
Wewe sidhani hata umenielewa nilichokiandika.

Nimesema hii ilikuwa sera za kimkakati kipindi cha ujamaa, ambapo 99% ya shule zilikuwa za serikali.

Hivyo 99% ya wanafunzi wa kitanzania wanachanganywa nchi nzima ili wafahamiane kama raia wa nchi moja.

Hata kama Kenya mnakitu kama hicho, ni kwa % ndogo na impact yake kwa nchi ni almost negligible.
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Unapoteza muda wako hapo broo.
 
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