Battle: Dar es Salaam vs Nairobi

Battle: Dar es Salaam vs Nairobi

concordile 101 said:
Total Fleet (2025)

Kenya Airways operates approximately 34–35 aircraft, of which 17 are leased, and 18 are owned or finance‑leased via SPVs .

Operating Leases (~17 aircraft) – Wide & Narrow‑body

According to ch‑aviation, about 17 aircraft are held under operating leases, with major lessors including Aviation Capital Group (ACG), Macquarie AirFinance, Goshawk, AerCap, BOC Aviation, Deucalion, and others :

Boeing 737‑300(SF) cargo freighters: 2 units

Boeing 737‑800 passenger: 8 units

Boeing 787‑8 (including passenger-to-cargo “preighters”): 9 units

Embraer ERJ‑190‑100AR: 15 units (with two scheduled for return in 2025)


Lessors by model:

All 737‑800s & several 787‑8s are leased from ACG, Macquarie, Goshawk, AerCap, BOC Aviation, Deucalion, and NAC etc. .

At least two 737‑800SF freighters were delivered from GA Telesis (LIFT Group) in 2024 .

Finance Leases via SPVs (~18 aircraft)

Kenya Airways holds finance leases for around 18 aircraft, financed through Special Purpose Vehicles (SPVs) such as Tsavo and Samburu. These typically include a mix of Boeing 737s and 787‑8s, and possibly other widebody and narrow‑body jets .

Hawa jamaa mpaka sasa hawajafanikiwa kumiliki ndege yoyote
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Kumbe hata zile 3 chakavu pia sio zao, ichoboy01 kuja uonee🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
concordile 101 said:
Total Fleet (2025)

Kenya Airways operates approximately 34–35 aircraft, of which 17 are leased, and 18 are owned or finance‑leased via SPVs .

Operating Leases (~17 aircraft) – Wide & Narrow‑body

According to ch‑aviation, about 17 aircraft are held under operating leases, with major lessors including Aviation Capital Group (ACG), Macquarie AirFinance, Goshawk, AerCap, BOC Aviation, Deucalion, and others :

Boeing 737‑300(SF) cargo freighters: 2 units

Boeing 737‑800 passenger: 8 units

Boeing 787‑8 (including passenger-to-cargo “preighters”): 9 units

Embraer ERJ‑190‑100AR: 15 units (with two scheduled for return in 2025)


Lessors by model:

All 737‑800s & several 787‑8s are leased from ACG, Macquarie, Goshawk, AerCap, BOC Aviation, Deucalion, and NAC etc. .

At least two 737‑800SF freighters were delivered from GA Telesis (LIFT Group) in 2024 .

Finance Leases via SPVs (~18 aircraft)

Kenya Airways holds finance leases for around 18 aircraft, financed through Special Purpose Vehicles (SPVs) such as Tsavo and Samburu. These typically include a mix of Boeing 737s and 787‑8s, and possibly other widebody and narrow‑body jets .

Hawa jamaa mpaka sasa hawajafanikiwa kumiliki ndege yoyote
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Serikali ya marekani haimiliki ndege yeyote ya abiria ila kwenye air travel hamfiki hata 1% ya marekani
 
mwathadan said:
Serikali ya marekani haimiliki ndege yeyote ya abiria ila kwenye air travel hamfiki hata 1% ya marekani
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Hapa tunazungumzia mashirika yaliyochini ya serikali au kuna hisa za serikali .
Usa hawana hata corporation moja wanayomiliki hata hisa moja, tofauti na Kq yenye 49% ya umiliki versus tz yenye 100% ya umiliki.

Kenya: Government Ownership of Airline

Category Kenya Airways

Status Partially state-owned
Founded 1977 (after breakup of East African Airways)
Privatized 1996, but the Government of Kenya remained a key stakeholder
Current Government Ownership 48.9% (largest single shareholder)
Other Shareholders KQ Lenders Co. (≈38.1%), Air France-KLM (≈7.8%), others
Management Operates as a commercial entity, but strategic decisions often influenced by the state
Financial Health Heavily indebted, reliant on government bailouts and restructuring plans
Future Outlook Government exploring full re-nationalization or 80% control (under parliamentary discussion as of 2025)


United States: No Government-Owned Airline

Category U.S. Airlines (e.g., Delta, American, United)

Status Fully privatized and publicly traded
Government Ownership None

– the U.S. government owns no stake in any airline

Support Role Provides regulation (FAA), and bailouts in emergencies (e.g., post‑9/11, COVID-19) but never takes equity or control
Military and Federal Aviation U.S. government owns military and federal aircraft (Air Force, NASA) but not commercial carriers

Financial Health Subject to free-market competition; some bankruptcy in the past, but most have restructured and recovered
Management Managed entirely by private boards, focused on profit, shareholders, and market competition

Key Differences

Aspect Kenya United States

Ownership Model Mixed public-private (Govt owns 48.9%) Fully private

Government Influence Significant – state influences major decisions and subsidies Limited to regulation and crisis funding

Risk Exposure Higher – state bears burden of losses (debt guarantees, subsidies) Private investors and market bear risk

Market Role Kenya Airways is national flag carrier with symbolic and strategic value No single airline has national flag status (multiple competing carriers)
Re-nationalization Trends Ongoing debates to increase government control No interest in nationalizing airlines

Conclusion

Kenya's aviation model reflects a strategic public interest approach, where the government maintains ownership and control to protect national pride, connectivity, and employment — but at a high fiscal cost.

The U.S. model is purely free-market, with no ownership or direct control, relying on regulation and market forces, though it does offer support in emergencies.
 
mwathadan said:
Serikali ya marekani haimiliki ndege yeyote ya abiria ila kwenye air travel hamfiki hata 1% ya marekani
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Unafananisha Kunyaland na US? Wewe ni kichaa? Na mbn huwa tunawaambia mnamiliki ndege 3 chakavu mkawa mnabisha? Leo imejulikana kwamba hata hzo 3 chakavu sio zenu 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
Geza Ulole said:
sasa serikali apo Kudustani inafanya nini KQ?
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Gharama ya dry lease ya b787-8 kama waliyonayo Kq almost 14mil usd kwa mwaka, imagine wangekuwa wamenunua zao hasa baada ya kuwapo sokoni kwa muda mrefu wangepata faida ya kuzinunuq kwa wingi kwa hata nusu ya bei kama wanavyonunua Qatar au Ethiopian airways, ila mpaka leo hawana hata ndege moja ambayo haidawi , almost 40 years of operation
 
Geza Ulole said:
kwavile ni wao wametafuta investor! Huwezi kulazimisha!
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Kwani investor
ChoiceVariable said:
Zambia Watapata Mafuta directly kutoka Angola na baadae Namibia Kwa njia ya mabomba.

Sisi tutatoa wapi? Uganda wakijenga refinery tutanunua ya kwao Kwa bei nafuu kuliko ya kutoka huko Arabuni.
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Kwani sisi hatuwezipata investor hao. Sisi tuna mafuta. DRC kuna mafuta. South Sudan kuna mafuta. Kwanini tusiongee nao. Tukajenga refinery on percentage wao tunauziana fluid oil tunasafisha tunauzia lakini tunawawekea parceges za kwenda Asia na ulaya kupitia indian ocean.
 
fysk said:
Kwani investor
Kwani sisi hatuwezipata investor hao. Sisi tuna mafuta. DRC kuna mafuta. South Sudan kuna mafuta. Kwanini tusiongee nao. Tukajenga refinery on percentage wao tunauziana fluid oil tunasafisha tunauzia lakini tunawawekea parceges za kwenda Asia na ulaya kupitia indian ocean.
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Na kwanini tufikirie kujenga refinery ya mafuta badala ya kufikiria kujenga mabomba ya kusambazwa gesi ambayo itaweza tumika kwenye magari na tayari tuna gesi yetu ? Uchumi wa mafuta unaelekea ukingoni hasa kutokana na bei ya mafuta inavyozidi kupanda.
Huko mbelen mahitaji ya magari ya umeme na gesi yanaaenda kuongezeka sana inabidi kufikiria miaka 20 mbele kuanzia sasa..
 
fysk said:
Kwani investor
Kwani sisi hatuwezipata investor hao. Sisi tuna mafuta. DRC kuna mafuta. South Sudan kuna mafuta. Kwanini tusiongee nao. Tukajenga refinery on percentage wao tunauziana fluid oil tunasafisha tunauzia lakini tunawawekea parceges za kwenda Asia na ulaya kupitia indian ocean.
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TIPER ilikuwaga inafanya kazi hizo lakini ilikufa kutogana na changamoto za IMF. Tumewahi kuwa nayo. Hatuwezi kufanya kila kitu kwa wakati mmoja. Waache na wengine wafanya. Isitoshe lipo bomba la TAZAMA.
 
concordile 101 said:
Na kwanini tufikirie kujenga refinery ya mafuta badala ya kufikiria kujenga mabomba ya kusambazwa gesi ambayo itaweza tumika kwenye magari na tayari tuna gesi yetu ? Uchumi wa mafuta unaelekea ukingoni hasa kutokana na bei ya mafuta inavyozidi kupanda.
Huko mbelen mahitaji ya magari ya umeme na gesi yanaaenda kuongezeka sana inabidi kufikiria miaka 20 mbele kuanzia sasa..
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Mafuta hayawezikosa soko kaka. Kinachofanyika ni kupunguza matumizi. Matumizi makubwa ya mafuta ni kwenye viwanda. Migodi. Barabara za lami. Chemical. Ili uwezewin kwenye mafuta ni lazima ufanye deal na cartel. Na sisi Tunayo kampuni ya Total ambayo tunawezadeal nao. Gas bado ni issue za kufikirika.
 
fysk said:
Kwani investor
Kwani sisi hatuwezipata investor hao. Sisi tuna mafuta. DRC kuna mafuta. South Sudan kuna mafuta. Kwanini tusiongee nao. Tukajenga refinery on percentage wao tunauziana fluid oil tunasafisha tunauzia lakini tunawawekea parceges za kwenda Asia na ulaya kupitia indian ocean.
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muulize mama Kizimkazi! Ila huwezi lazimisha refinery yao iwe Bongo! Kingine usalama pia crude oil pipeline huwa haihujumiwi kama refined oil pipeline! Na TAZAMA tangu enzi hizo ni crude oil pipeline!
 
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