Battle: Dar es Salaam vs Nairobi

Battle: Dar es Salaam vs Nairobi

Venus Star said:
Teargass Chatgpt Analysis

Teargass is a bold voice on JamiiForums—one who builds arguments around data and visuals, but delivers them with biting sarcasm and strong national pride in Kenya. Their engagement style is unapologetically confrontational, leveraging comparisons and mocking humor to challenge views they perceive as weak or inaccurate. Thought-provoking, polarizing, and intensely active—Teargass shapes conversation through facts backed with attitude.
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Kwani ChatGPT ndio imefika sasa Bongo?..😄😄
 
mwaiofhawaii said:
Kwani ChatGPT ndio imefika sasa Bongo?..😄😄
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mwaiofhawaii is a bold, combative presence in online debates, particularly around Kenya vs Tanzania topics. Their style is confrontational, sometimes harsh, yet deliberately theatrical. They craft arguments using visual evidence, comparisons, and personal narratives—backed by frequent sarcasm and entangled with national pride. In the community, they act both as instigator and defender, drawing both laughter and criticism from fellow users.
 
Venus Star said:
Teargass Chatgpt Analysis

Teargass is a bold voice on JamiiForums—one who builds arguments around data and visuals, but delivers them with biting sarcasm and strong national pride in Kenya. Their engagement style is unapologetically confrontational, leveraging comparisons and mocking humor to challenge views they perceive as weak or inaccurate. Thought-provoking, polarizing, and intensely active—Teargass shapes conversation through facts backed with attitude.
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This is actually a good analysis that one would be proud of.
 
NairobiWalker said:
Tengenezeni faida ya kwanza ndio mfikirie hayo.
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Yaan mmekuwa operational for more than 40 years ila kati ya miaka yote hamjawahi fikisha faida hata ya kununua ndege moja .


Profit Years Since Incorporation

1. Early Years (1993/94): First Profit

After several years of government ownership and restructuring, Kenya Airways recorded its first profit in the fiscal year 1993/94, as part of its reform and partial privatization efforts in the early 1990s .


2. Mid‑2000s — Strong Profitability

The airline continued its first profitable momentum into the 2004–05 and 2005–06 periods:

In 2005, net profit grew by 48% to USD 30 million in the half-year ending September 30, 2005 .

In the full year 2005/06, profit after tax rose to KES 4.83 billion from KES 3.88 billion, reflecting sustained performance .

3. Long Period of Losses (mid‑2010s to early 2020s)

Kenya Airways was consistently unprofitable from 2013 onwards:

Its last net profit before the downturn was in 2013, after which it posted annual losses through 2022 .

While it returned to an operating profit in 2023—reporting KES 10.5 billion—it still posted a net loss after tax of KES 22.7 billion .


4. 2024 – Return to Net Profit

In 2024, Kenya Airways posted its first full-year net profit since 2012, amounting to KES 5.4 billion (approx. USD 42–43 million) .

And in the first half of 2024, the airline reported a net profit of KES 513 million, its first half-year profit since 2013 .
 
concordile 101 said:
Yaan mmekuwa operational for more than 40 years ila kati ya miaka yote hamjawahi fikisha faida hata ya kununua ndege moja .


Profit Years Since Incorporation

1. Early Years (1993/94): First Profit

After several years of government ownership and restructuring, Kenya Airways recorded its first profit in the fiscal year 1993/94, as part of its reform and partial privatization efforts in the early 1990s .


2. Mid‑2000s — Strong Profitability

The airline continued its first profitable momentum into the 2004–05 and 2005–06 periods:

In 2005, net profit grew by 48% to USD 30 million in the half-year ending September 30, 2005 .

In the full year 2005/06, profit after tax rose to KES 4.83 billion from KES 3.88 billion, reflecting sustained performance .

3. Long Period of Losses (mid‑2010s to early 2020s)

Kenya Airways was consistently unprofitable from 2013 onwards:

Its last net profit before the downturn was in 2013, after which it posted annual losses through 2022 .

While it returned to an operating profit in 2023—reporting KES 10.5 billion—it still posted a net loss after tax of KES 22.7 billion .


4. 2024 – Return to Net Profit

In 2024, Kenya Airways posted its first full-year net profit since 2012, amounting to KES 5.4 billion (approx. USD 42–43 million) .

And in the first half of 2024, the airline reported a net profit of KES 513 million, its first half-year profit since 2013 .
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Mmekuwa operational for the same 40+ years. What is your point?
At least sisi hatujawaai anguka ama kupeana shirika liendeshwe na foreigners.
 
fysk said:
Uganda wanajenga kingfisher na tilenga visima vitakavyosukuma mafuta kuja Tanga sudani wana visima muda. DRC ndio bado hawajaanza kuchimba na Tanzania bado..
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wacha kudanganya wewe visima vipo tayari with proven reserves ndio maana bomba linajengwa na pia refinery! Na kila siku vitalu vinagawiwa na mafuta yanazidi kugundulika! Huwezi kuiweka Tanzania level moja na Uganda kwenye mafuta!

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NairobiWalker said:
We owned 67% of the airline while you owned 9%. Hatukuiba, tulichukua chetu.
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Huwa mnadanganyana sana🤣🤣🤣🤣.

Hata historia tu ya east africa huijui

History of Ownership Shares in EAA ( airways)

Ownership after Independence, before 1965

When Tanganyika, Uganda, and Kenya gained independence (1961–63), ownership of the airline was adjusted.

Initially, the government of Kenya held about 68%, while Uganda and Tanganyika (later Tanzania) held 23% and 9%, respectively, as decolonization arrangements unfolded. This was the arrangement until around 1965.


Shift in Ownership with BOAC Investment (1965–1966)

In 1965, British Overseas Airways Corporation (BOAC) injected capital, acquiring about 53% of the airline.

Consequently, Kenyan, Ugandan, and Tanzanian government shares were diluted to approximately 32%, 11%, and 4%, respectively.


Equal Ownership Post-BOAC Exit (By 1970)

Following BOAC's withdrawal by 1967, the three countries—Kenya, Uganda, and Tanzania—each took up one-third (~33.3%) of ownership.

This equal ownership structure remained until the airline’s collapse in 1977 with the dissolution of the East African Community (EAC).

Summary

PeriodKenya Ownership %UgandaTanzania (Tanganyika)

~1963–1965~68%~23%~9%
1965–1967~32%~11%~4% (after BOAC entry)
1967–1977~33.3% (equal)~33.3%~33.3%


Final Insight

Kenya owned 67% post independence period

It ceased to be valid after BOAC’s investment in 1965, after which Kenya’s share dropped significantly.

By the late 1960s, all three member states held equal shares in EAA before its collapse in 1977.
 
NairobiWalker said:
We owned 67% of the airline while you owned 9%. Hatukuiba, tulichukua chetu.
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Au tukuelimishe kuwa baada ya uwekezaji wa boac Kenya ilipoteza umilika mpaka 32%
BOAC — British Overseas Airways Corporation — was the British state airline before it became part of British Airways. In the 1960s, BOAC played a pivotal role in East African Airways (EAA) through a major equity investment and technical partnership.


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📌 1. BACKGROUND

After East African countries gained independence (Kenya - 1963, Uganda - 1962, Tanganyika - 1961), they inherited EAA, which was facing:

Financial instability

Fleet shortages

Weak technical capacity


To keep it afloat and operationally competitive, they sought an experienced international partner.


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💰 2. NATURE OF BOAC'S INVESTMENT

✅ Equity Stake (1965)

BOAC injected capital in exchange for a 49% to 53% ownership in EAA.

The exact stake varied depending on restructuring agreements and fleet valuation, but BOAC became the largest single shareholder.


✈️ Operational Contribution

BOAC provided:

Aircraft (mainly Vickers VC10s and Comet 4s)

Technical support and crew training

Management services and route planning

Access to BOAC’s international network, especially for London and Bombay routes




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📉 3. OUTCOME OF THE INVESTMENT

ImpactDetails

Improved FleetEAA gained long-haul jet aircraft it couldn't otherwise afford.
Operational BoostEnabled EAA to serve European and Asian routes with reliability.
Ownership DilutionKenya's share dropped to ~32%, Uganda ~11%, Tanzania ~4%.
National TensionKenya later opposed BOAC’s large role, feeling it hindered Africanization.
ExitBOAC exited by 1967, under pressure from the East African governments to localize ownership and control.



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🔄 4. POST-BOAC EXIT

After BOAC's departure, Kenya, Uganda, and Tanzania each took equal ownership (33.3%) of EAA.

The exit was part of a broader "Africanization policy" aimed at regaining sovereignty over key sectors.



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Summary

ItemDetails

InvestorBritish Overseas Airways Corporation (BOAC)
Stake Size~49% to 53% (1965–1967)
PurposeCapital injection, aircraft lease/sale, technical & management support
OutcomeImp
roved operations short-term, but political backlash led to BOAC’s exit by 1967
 
concordile 101 said:
Huwa mnadanganyana sana🤣🤣🤣🤣.

Hata historia tu ya east africa huijui

History of Ownership Shares in EAA ( airways)

Ownership after Independence, before 1965

When Tanganyika, Uganda, and Kenya gained independence (1961–63), ownership of the airline was adjusted.

Initially, the government of Kenya held about 68%, while Uganda and Tanganyika (later Tanzania) held 23% and 9%, respectively, as decolonization arrangements unfolded. This was the arrangement until around 1965.


Shift in Ownership with BOAC Investment (1965–1966)

In 1965, British Overseas Airways Corporation (BOAC) injected capital, acquiring about 53% of the airline.

Consequently, Kenyan, Ugandan, and Tanzanian government shares were diluted to approximately 32%, 11%, and 4%, respectively.


Equal Ownership Post-BOAC Exit (By 1970)

Following BOAC's withdrawal by 1967, the three countries—Kenya, Uganda, and Tanzania—each took up one-third (~33.3%) of ownership.

This equal ownership structure remained until the airline’s collapse in 1977 with the dissolution of the East African Community (EAC).

Summary

PeriodKenya Ownership %UgandaTanzania (Tanganyika)

~1963–1965~68%~23%~9%
1965–1967~32%~11%~4% (after BOAC entry)
1967–1977~33.3% (equal)~33.3%~33.3%


Final Insight

Kenya owned 67% post independence period

It ceased to be valid after BOAC’s investment in 1965, after which Kenya’s share dropped significantly.

By the late 1960s, all three member states held equal shares in EAA before its collapse in 1977.
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Endelea kujifurahisha.
 
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