Battle: Dar es Salaam vs Nairobi

[Don YF]

Kama unajiona una guts twende ground sio empty talks. 🤣🤣🤣

1. Dom stadium 30k (international standards)
2.Msalato international airport. (Huwezi pata airport modern kuliko hii in the whole of kunya)
3. Dom outer ring road 112km
4. Dom inner ring road 50km
6. Dom government city
7. Housing projects (4 housing projects with over 5000 units)
8 Dom recreational facilities
9. Dom nane nane exhibition center (no this kinda facility in the whole of kundurenda)

Hizo zote zipo under construction. Chukua towns za kunya zenye miradi ya hii caliber. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Huwezi pata.

what percentage are they so far? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣., utazeeka ukingoja miradi yenu yote ikamilike, ni Tanzania tunawajua, hamuna misuli kukamilisha, itawachukua miaka!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣., even kufikia level yenye Kenya ilisha jenga same magnitude hamjafika sasa hizi ndoto ndio mtatimiza hivi karibuni?., na Kenya haisimami! 25-30 years mbele!!

 

[Sama boy 255]

what percentage are they so far? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣., utazeeka ukingoja miradi yenu yote ikamilike, ni Tanzania tunawajua, hamuna misuli kukamilisha, itawachukua miaka!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣., even kufikia level yenye Kenya ilisha jenga same magnitude hamjafika sasa hizi ndoto ndio mtatimiza hivi karibuni?., na Kenya haisimami! 25-30 years mbele!!

Nimekwambia huu sio uwanja wa empty talk budaa. Blah blah peleka mathare huko. Huna comeback.?

 

[nairobae]

Wacha sasa nikupe ufafanuzi ndio usilinganishe Kenya na Tanzania kiboya siku nyingine., Revenue ya counties ni autonomous, hesabu yao haingii kwa ile revenue ya national government, Kuna yale ushuru counties zina ruhusiwa ku collect na kuna ushuru zinaenda kwa national government kutoka kwa hizo counties haziguzwi na counties, kama ushuru ya ports, airports, etc, PAYEE, VAT, etc zinaenda kwa national govt, kwa mfano hesabu ya ushuru ya Mombasa county does not include ya port., so the kshs.58 Billion total counties revenue ni ile kiwango ya pesa county zinaruhusiwa kukusanya na kutumia zenyewe, hazioelekwi kwa hazina ya serikali kuu!., na bado zinatoa Kamasi ya eneo za Tanzania, na huo sio mkusanyiko wote wa revenue from a county kwa vile Kuna za national govt counties haziguzi., reason National revenue is approximately $28B! (Tshs.74trilion na zaidi!)., na ujue ile 58b ya counties haipo kwa hii hesabu.., Kenya sio Tanzania mwenzangu, kindly get financial literacy, and a basic lesson in economics.,

Huyo ni fala, first anacompare Ksh 3 trillion na Tsh 3 trillion, then anacompare 47 counties na 31 regions in a country that's almost twice in size.

 

[Don YF]

Kweli hatufanani kwasababu nyinyi 70% ya counties Zina makusanyo ya below 1bil ksh wakati Tanzania ni 5 provinces ni 16.6 % ziko below 1 bi ksh🤣

Nadhani umeelewa sasa🤣🤣🤣🤣., ulikua unalinganisha Kenya na Tanzania kiboya sana, 🤣🤣🤣.,

 

[Don YF]

Nimekwambia huu sio uwanja wa empty talk budaa. Blah blah peleka mathare huko. Huna comeback.?

Percentage is empty talk🤣🤣🤣🤣., nimewabana humu, hamna pakupumulia., kamilisha kisha nitag, la sivyo fyata, ngoja miaka 25-30 mbele kujilinganisha na Kenya..,

 

[Sama boy 255]

Percentage is empty talk🤣🤣🤣🤣., nimewabana humu, hamna pakupumulia., kamilisha kisha nitag, la sivyo fyata, ngoja miaka 25-30 mbele kujilinganisha na Kenya..,

Blah bha. 🚮. Empty talks. 🤣🤣🤣 Miradi inayofanyika Dom now haujawahi kushudiwa kwenye mji wowote wa hapo kunya kando ya Nairobi. Sasa sijui hiyo 30 years mbele unazungumza future yenye your so called cities they gonna be capable of implementing such projects.

 

[mwaiofhawaii]

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[Don YF]

Huyo ni fala, first anacompare Ksh 3 trillion na Tsh 3 trillion, then anacompare 47 counties na 31 regions in a country that's almost twice in size.

The dimwit does not know counties' revenue is a paltry 58B., including what Nairobi county collects, which is a portion permitted by law, and they collect and spend, it doesn't go to the national Treasury., national government revenue collection from across the country(from those counties )is not even included., na bado many counties are doing far better than Tanzanian regions, ndio ujue Tz is still an LDC in reality.., wana anika ufukara wao na hawajui🤣🤣 numbers never lie!!!., yaani anakinganisha Tana River county with smaller population na Kigoma ya over 1.5 million people 🤣🤣🤣., so per Capita in reality Tana River is far better🤣🤣🤣., (including national govt revenue from the place and the share)..

 

[Don YF]

Blah bha. 🚮. Empty talks. 🤣🤣🤣 Miradi inayofanyika Dom now haujawahi kushudiwa kwenye mji wowote wa hapo kunya kando ya Nairobi. Sasa sijui hiyo 30 years mbele unazungumza future yenye your so called cities they gonna be capable of implementing such projects.

Empty office blocks kwa wingi🤣🤣🤣🤣,. Dodoma apartments estate eti city🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣., ndoto za alinacha, sema Tanzania usitaje Kenya🤣🤣🤣🤣.,

 

[concordile 101]

Wacha sasa nikupe ufafanuzi ndio usilinganishe Kenya na Tanzania kiboya siku nyingine., Revenue ya counties ni autonomous, hesabu yao haingii kwa ile revenue ya national government, Kuna yale ushuru counties zina ruhusiwa ku collect na kuna ushuru zinaenda kwa national government kutoka kwa hizo counties haziguzwi na counties, kama ushuru ya ports, airports, etc, PAYEE, VAT, etc zinaenda kwa national govt, kwa mfano hesabu ya ushuru ya Mombasa county does not include ya port., so the kshs.58 Billion total counties revenue ni ile kiwango ya pesa county zinaruhusiwa kukusanya na kutumia zenyewe, hazipelekwi kwa hazina ya serikali kuu!., na bado zinatoa Kamasi ya eneo za Tanzania, na huo sio mkusanyiko wote wa revenue from a county kwa vile Kuna za national govt counties haziguzi., reason National revenue is approximately $28B! (Tshs.74trilion na zaidi!)., na ujue ile 58b ya counties haipo kwa hii hesabu.., Kenya sio Tanzania mwenzangu, kindly get financial literacy, and a basic lesson in economics.,

Hizo zote nazijua ( osr) Ina include produces cess, entertainment permit, billboard ,business licence, na kadhalika.
Revenue from vat , corporate tax au Yale makusanyo ya kra na tra hayako included kwenye osr both Tanzania na Kenya.
Hata Tanzania port collection na taxes haziko included kwenye osr
Kenya Kuna dividend toka serikali kuu kama Tanzania , hizi zote not included kwenye osr .

HAPA TUNAZUNGUMZIA OSR TU
OSR" refers to Own Source Revenue, which is the income generated by county governments from sources within their jurisdiction, including local taxes, fees, fines, and charges for services. This revenue is distinct from funds transferred from the national government. Counties are constitutionally mandated to generate OSR to fund their operations and development projects.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
What it is:
OSR encompasses all income earned by county governments directly, such as property taxes, entertainment taxes, business permits, and charges for services like public health clinics or waste management.
Why it's important:
Effective OSR collection is crucial for fiscal decentralization, giving county governments greater financial autonomy and accountability. It also allows counties to fund development projects and improve service delivery, as OSR can supplement intergovernmental transfers and grants.
Legal basis:
The Kenyan Constitution (2010) empowers county governments to levy taxes and charges, and the Public Finance Management Act, the County Government Act, and the Urban Areas and Cities Acthttps://www.pfmr.go.ke/cost-of-own-source-revenue-study-tour-of-kwale-county/ provide further regulations.
Examples:
Some common examples of OSR include property taxes, entertainment taxes, land revenue, business permits, fees for services like registration and licensing, and penalties for infractions.

 

[Mgagaa na Upwa]

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Babu jinga usiekua na marinda umeripoti kliniki leo?

 

[concordile 101]

Huyo ni fala, first anacompare Ksh 3 trillion na Tsh 3 trillion, then anacompare 47 counties na 31 regions in a country that's almost twice in size.

Administrative jurisdiction haiangalii ukubwa wa eneo

 

[concordile 101]

Huyo ni fala, first anacompare Ksh 3 trillion na Tsh 3 trillion, then anacompare 47 counties na 31 regions in a country that's almost twice in size.

Kuna exchange rate hapo umewekewa what matters ni square kilometer per county na tunaangalia administrative area mfano marsabit ni size ya most regions. Mfano njombe Ina sq km 21,000 huku tana river ikiwa na 37,000 lakini tana river haiwez fikia hata robo ya osr ya njombe region🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[Don YF]

Haha per capital income haiwez kuwa measure ya economic activity sababu itategemeana na population ya eneo husika .
Mfano marsabit ilikuwa na estimated population ya 459,000 huku rukwa region Ina 1.5mil people , hivyo lazima tukija kwenye GDP per capital lazima marsabit itakuwa GDP/ capital kubwa hata kama total production ya rukwa ni kubwa kuliko marsabit .
Kitakacho determine economic activity ni total revenue ya eneo husika ambayo utaipata kwa kuangalia makusanyo ya revenue ya local government au county kwa Kenya.
Mfano kama marsabit itakuwa na economic activity nyingi tutegemea kutakuwa na ubora wa maisha hivyo kupelekea kuwepo kwa private vehicle nyingi sana ambazo zitapelekea uhitaji wa parking hivyo kupelekea kuwepo na makusanyo yatokanayo na parking fee kuwa mengi in the long-run resulting to multiplier effect ambayo itaa affect sectors nyingine.
Huwez tegemea per capital income kwa kuangalia makusanyo ya kra tu sababu inabeba pool kubwa na nyinyi hugawa mapato kwa kutegemea formula ambayo imeandaliwa tayar na bunge.

Per Capita ya revenue inaonyesha uhalisia wa uchumi wa eneo🤣🤣🤣, watu wengi faida kidogo, ni dhahiri huduma zitakua hafifu., hizi ni pato la eneo kutokana na mchango wa kodi., sio ile ya economic output(GDP - total market value of all goods and services produced), ni pesa zilizo kusanywa za kufanyia jamii kazi kwa ku finance govt services.., picha kamili inayo onyesha mko hovyoo!!, watu wengi revenue kidogo!!., mbona wewe ni mbumbumbu hivi?🤣🤣🤣🤣., sasa unaelewa ni kwa nini IMF inakariri bado mnachezea LDC..,

 

[concordile 101]

Hata Tanzania nikikuwekea total revenue collection baada ya dividend kutoka serikali kuu , ni more than ya hiyo niliyokuwekea ila hatuzihesabu hizo kwa sababu makusanyo yake yanakuwa kama dividend tu.
Mfano salaries kwenye local government inatoka central gov huwez ziona kwenye hiyo hesabu na nara nyingi inakuwa 4 times ya hiyo osr

 

[Don YF]

Hizo zote nazijua ( osr) Ina include produces cess, entertainment permit, billboard ,business licence, na kadhalika.
Revenue from vat , corporate tax au Yale makusanyo ya kra na tra hayako included kwenye osr both Tanzania na Kenya.
Hata Tanzania port collection na taxes haziko included kwenye osr
Kenya Kuna dividend toka serikali kuu kama Tanzania , hizi zote not included kwenye osr .

HAPA TUNAZUNGUMZIA OSR TU
OSR" refers to Own Source Revenue, which is the income generated by county governments from sources within their jurisdiction, including local taxes, fees, fines, and charges for services. This revenue is distinct from funds transferred from the national government. Counties are constitutionally mandated to generate OSR to fund their operations and development projects.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
What it is:
OSR encompasses all income earned by county governments directly, such as property taxes, entertainment taxes, business permits, and charges for services like public health clinics or waste management.
Why it's important:
Effective OSR collection is crucial for fiscal decentralization, giving county governments greater financial autonomy and accountability. It also allows counties to fund development projects and improve service delivery, as OSR can supplement intergovernmental transfers and grants.
Legal basis:
The Kenyan Constitution (2010) empowers county governments to levy taxes and charges, and the Public Finance Management Act, the County Government Act, and the Urban Areas and Cities Acthttps://www.pfmr.go.ke/cost-of-own-source-revenue-study-tour-of-kwale-county/ provide further regulations.
Examples:
Some common examples of OSR include property taxes, entertainment taxes, land revenue, business permits, fees for services like registration and licensing, and penalties for infractions.

Sasa point yako ni ipi? Ulienda google and simply copy-pasted what it says concerning county government, of which Tanzania haina. So what's your point?.., sioni tatizo, but hiyo revenue yenyewe ya county on average is beating ya your regions in per Capita na bado ni ile kidogo limited ya county., meaning Kenya is far richer than Tanzania economically, Tanzania is richer than Kenya in natural resources. Huo ndio ukweli., same way Tanzania is richer than DRC economically, ila DRC is far richer than Tanzania, Kenya na pia tukijumuisha na Ethiopia kwa pamoja, ikija rasilmali.., but economically Kenya, Ethiopia na Tanzania zimeizidi DRC.., nimetumia mfano ili upate kuelewa.

 

[Sama boy 255]

Empty office blocks kwa wingi🤣🤣🤣🤣,. Dodoma apartments estate eti city🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣., ndoto za alinacha, sema Tanzania usitaje Kenya🤣🤣🤣🤣.,

Blah blah 🚮. And guess what zipo miradi ambazo hujawahi kuzishuhudia hapo kunya. Hopefully mungoje hiyo 30 years enye unasema. 👇🏾

miradi kama hio ndio hutawahi kuiona hapo mombasa na village center zingine hadi kiama. 🤣🤣🤣 nane nane exhibition 👇🏾
View: https://youtu.be/LXE1rDJ0hY4?si=Ch7pM9tcVHOprLC7

.. Dom stadium 👇🏾

Msalato airport 👇🏾

mombasa your second city itapata miradi kama hii next century. Hizo town zingine hazitawahi pata projects of this magnitude.

 

[concordile 101]

Per Capita ya revenue inaonyesha uhalisia wa uchumi wa eneo🤣🤣🤣, watu wengi faida kidogo, ni dhahiri huduma zitakua hafifu., hizi ni pato la eneo kutokana na mchango wa kodi., sio ile ya economic output(GDP - total market value of all goods and services produced), ni pesa zilizo kusanywa za kufanyia jamii kazi kwa ku finance govt services.., picha kamili inayo onyesha mko hovyoo!!, watu wengi revenue kidogo!!., mbona wewe ni mbumbumbu hivi?🤣🤣🤣🤣., sasa unaelewa ni kwa nini IMF inakariri bado mnachezea LDC..,

Per Capita income inachukua total production / population .
Kunaweza kukawa na kiwanda kimoja kinachozalisha output ya 750,000,000 ksh na kimeajiri watu 45 ila population ya eneo husika ikawa ni 200,000 halafu kukawa na eneo jingine ambao Kuna wakulima 600,000 waozalisha letsay korosho ya 2,000,000,000 ila total population ikawa 1.5 , hapa per capital income ya eneo a lazima lionekan kubwa huku wanaonufaika wakiwa 45 kwa per Capita ya 3,750 huku eneo b ambalo kimenufaisha watu 600,000 na limezalisha twice ya eneo a likiwa na per Capita income ya 1,333 . In the long run eneo b watu watafanya maendeleo kuliko a sababu ya multiplier effect ambayo imegusa eneo kubwa la watu wengi tofauti na a

 

[Don YF]

Hata Tanzania nikikuwekea total revenue collection baada ya dividend kutoka serikali kuu , ni more than ya hiyo niliyokuwekea ila hatuzihesabu hizo kwa sababu makusanyo yake yanakuwa kama dividend tu.
Mfano salaries kwenye local government inatoka central gov huwez ziona kwenye hiyo hesabu na nara nyingi inakuwa 4 times ya hiyo osr

Still Kenya beats you either way on average iwe county ama national., wewe ndio uliweka list ya per Capita, nikaweka top 10 Kenya nikalinganisha na ile top 5 ya Tanzania mlio post., yaani in Kenya top five yenu majority mtaanzia number 15.., ukooo

 

[concordile 101]

Sasa point yako ni ipi? Ulienda google and simply copy-pasted what it says concerning county government, of which Tanzania haina. So what's your point?.., sioni tatizo, but hiyo revenue yenyewe ya county on average is beating ya your regions in per Capita na bado ni ile kidogo limited ya county., meaning Kenya is far richer than Tanzania economically, Tanzania is richer than Kenya in natural resources. Huo ndio ukweli., same way Tanzania is richer than DRC economically, ila DRC is far richer than Tanzania, Kenya na pia tukijumuisha na Ethiopia kwa pamoja, ikija rasilmali.., but economically Kenya, Ethiopia na Tanzania zimeizidi DRC.., nimetumia mfano ili upate kuelewa.

Osr haipimi resource bali kinachokusanywa na local government kumbuka local government ndo serikali yenyewe kwa kiwango cha constituencies.
Kumbuka kwa mfano kama Nairobi kwenye const. 85 vikao vyote na maendeleo yote ya county ya Nairobi kama street roads yanategemea makusanyo katika county husika na SI dividend kutoka central gov.
Sasa ukiwa na makusanyo kidogo hizo taa za barabaran za dangoret zitatengenezwaje?