Liverpool FC (The Reds) | Special Thread

Liverpool FC (The Reds) | Special Thread

The way you came at me, i genuinely thought kutakuwa na heavy debate, only to get told kuwa "Formations haiamui team itacheza vipi kwa maana ni 'mpangilio' tu.

Dude, Formations ndiyo zinafanya hii sport iitwe football/soccer, Formations ndiyo basis ya huu mchezo.

Bila formations hakuna shapes/postions/tactical switches etc

Bila Formations, Stadiums zisingekuwa na michoro ya white chalks..

Bila Formations, kusingekuwa na kitu kinaitwa 'footie proffesionalism"

Bila formation, huu mchezo ungekuwa ni wa watu 22 wanao-hangaika kufukuzia mpira mmoja uwanjani.

And, since when switching players or making subs ndiyo kubadilisa formation? unajua kuwa you can change shape ya team uwanjani bila ku-affect formations? au unajua kuwa shape ndiyo formation?

Unai Emery, deployed this "Onion ring build-up shape" against us ile juzi, lengo likiwa ni kui-overload our right side, did this shape disrupt his 4-2-3-1 formation?

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Countless times, i've explained kuwa, in order to master a modern 4-3-3, you dont need passers now-days, you need transitional merchants, Sarri can play this formations because ana Kante na Barkely kwenye his team, and thats why he does not need to opt kwenye formation ya aina yeyote.

Well, Pep Guardiola, bado mpaka sasa ndiye kocha aliyefanikiwa mpaka sasa kwenye mfumo wa 4-3-3, he's called the "433 mastermind" for that reason, but last time he played a full flowing 433 ni wakati yupo Bayern, Guardiola at City anacheza na 4 creative midfielders behind 1 attacker now. i mean last season he used his old fashioned 433 style against Klopp and got schooled thrice, this season alikuja na formation ya 4-1-4-1, and he got a draw.

This narration, that Pep uses 433 kwasasa ni laughable, Pep started his coaching career at England by playing 3-man defender at the back, and this was Pep's official formation for the majorty of last season and the season before, kwenye hii diagram unaona 433 formation hapa?

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you have got 2 number 10s and 2 wide wingers, with ferna as a lone sitter, what makes you think that is a 433 formation? besides which footie school teaches that you can deploy a 433 formation with 2 number 10s in half spaces of the pitch?

Allegri with 433? this one is much laughable, i mean ningekuelewa kwa Pep but Allegri? i can count games ambazo Allegri katumia 433 in his career, unaongelea muumini wa complicated formations, Allegri id well known for his 3 formation, i mean 4-4-1-1/4-4-2-1 and 4-2-3-1, and its a shame because umemtaja Allegri huku ukijua kuwa now anacheza na 2 inside forwards (Cr7 and Dybala), how can you make 433 a success with 2 inside forwards? au "google" imekwambia kuwa hiyo inawezekana?

Solari gani? Santiago? even a random Kid mitaa ya madrid atakwambia Solari ni enthusiast wa 4-2-3-1, Solari na 433?, man was watching Solari first game with my buddies just weeks ago, na tulifanya a quick check na kugundua he deployed a 4-2-2-2 formation, and we laughed so hard about that, leo nakuja kuambiwa kuwa Solari prefers 433, a man who spent his managerial career coaching the madrid youngsters in a 4-2-3-1 formation, leo naambiwa anacheza 433, Solari yupi? naomba proof.

People are confusing formations and shapes, and lucky enough you cant emphasis on shapes bila kutambua basis ya formation husika, mfano formation ya 433, shape yake huwa ni 1-3, 4-2-3-1 defending shape yake huwa ni 1-2, ndiyo maana kama huna capable DM, ni ngumu sana kucheza against pressing teams because ni easy kuwa overrun kwenye MF. i mean dude you cant deploy a 4-4-2 na ukaset shape ya 4-5-1 or 1-2.

Problem, with this modern fans, wanadhani football ni just ku-kick the ball na kupiga chenga, hawaelewi ni kwanini managers wanalipwa hela nyingi ili kufundisha mpira. Again formation inaweza kuwa out-dated but ikaendelea kutumiwa kwa ukubwa tu, kwa mfano, Jardim bado ni muumini mkubwa sana wa 4-4-2, BR nearly won us the league na 4-4-2, even Klopp played with 4-4-2 kwenye baadhi ya games msimu wa 16/17, na pia 4-4-2 is the most preferred and basic formation kwa clubs ndogo across the world.

But world class managers tend to switch formations kulingana na mahitaji ya soccer la kisasa, tunaita formation out-dated kutokana na uchache wa matumizi, back in 2000's karibia kila Club duniani ilikuwa inatumia same formations za 4-4-2/4-5-1, then kwasasa the most used formations ni 4-2-3-1/4-1-4-1/4-4-2-1/4-4-1-1, 4-3-3 is slowly dying kama 4-4-2/4-5-1, though bado kuwa watu wanaipendelea.

And, do your research before quoting my posts, and usitangulize jazba and hate, learn the game and understand the basics. football is a simple and very interesting sport, i post my views for the club i support and my fellow supporters, so kama unaona kuna post hujakubaliana nayo, dip and fanya research then comment on it, otherwise dont bother to quote my posts, its embarrassing.
Pamoja na maneno mengi na mifano mingi lakini nakushauri uende darasa la hizi formations na applicability zake na jinsi makocha wanavyo switch from one formation to the next kama tactical approach ya game mfano 4-4-2 ukimtoa winger mmoja ukaingiza kiungo mmoja inageuka kuwa 4-5-1 a very simple example.
 
Time is running out maana we Reds are always very patience ila sasa huu upangaji wa kikosi na formation ya Klopp il cost him the gaffer spot....back four mpaka sasa hayupo settled nani acheze most important games nani asicheze same na midfield, same na front...jana kiungo kilikufa same na game ya gooners...
Klopp has to fix this or his German pride il pull him down...jana 3 easy point r gone now we meet two giant at home n away t wont easy to sail in any if Klopp keep picking th surplus players...Otherwise nitaamini Klopp without Mr Brain is nothing n if that th case amtafute wamalizane arejee n we start clicking...

Klopp losing Buvac siyo ishu ndogo kabisa..

they have been together for more than 10 years, even Klopp said Buvac was handling 200 training drills whilst Klopp was handling only 100 drills, ni big loss to be honest.

si unakumbuka, Benitez pia was never the same baada ya kumpoteza Paco.

we just need to try something new now. and see if it will work.
 
Klopp losing Buvac siyo ishu ndogo kabisa..

they have been together for more than 10 years, even Klopp said Buvac was handling 200 training drills whilst Klopp was handling only 100 drills, ni big loss to be honest.

si unakumbuka, Benitez pia was never the same baada ya kumpoteza Paco.

we just need to try something new now. and see if it will work.
Buvac is still listed as Asst. Coach kwa official site ya LFC. Is there any chance that he will not be leaving, kind of contract issues will be settled?
 
Pamoja na maneno mengi na mifano mingi lakini nakushauri uende darasa la hizi formations na applicability zake na jinsi makocha wanavyo switch from one formation to the next kama tactical approach ya game mfano 4-4-2 ukimtoa winger mmoja ukaingiza kiungo mmoja inageuka kuwa 4-5-1 a very simple example.

hamnaga hicho kitu..

4-5-1 haiendi bila wings, how umtoe winger kwenye 4-4-2 afu ugeuke kwenye 4-5-1 ambayo hai-work bila pacey wingers?

ukimtoa winger kwenye 4-4-2, unamaintain the same formation, but shape inaswitch kwenye "x-mass" tree/triangle shape

because kama umemtoa winger na kumuingiza, beki/forward/cm. winger anaebaki anakuwa anacheza kama inside forward, so team nzima inatumia middle path kupenetrate mipira..

and Shape haina "numbers' kama formations, bali unatumia "heat map" kujua shape ya team..

kocha anaweza akaanza na 433 but later akabadilisha kwenda 4-2-3-1 kulingana na wachezaji watakaongia..

at LFC, klopp atacheza 433, but akimtoa Lallana na kumuingiza Ox or Milner, atabadilsha shape ya "goals event" but siyo formation, but kama atacheza 433 na baadae kumuingiza Fabinho, it means aterevert back kwenye double-pivot hivyo itamfanya abadilishe mfumo mzima kuendana na pivot ya kwenye midfield and not just shape,

formations, zinapangwa kulingana na strength ya players, kuna players ambao technical side yao haiwaruhusu kabisa kucheza kwenye formations za 433/343/4-5-1/4-2-3-1 etc
 
Man, nimeona James Pearce akisema 'hes not coming back"
I read somewhere walikorofishana na Klopp juu ni alikuwa contacted na Arsenal juu ya possibilty ya kuchukua nafasi ya Wenger then hakumwambia Klopp chochote so Klopp akapata habari via contacts zake Dortmund ndio waka fall out.

Most people think that this is the reason why we are not at our level best since the fall out. They call Buvac 'The Brain' because of his tactical genius.
 
I read somewhere walikorofishana na Klopp juu ni alikuwa contacted na Arsenal juu ya possibilty ya kuchukua nafasi ya Wenger then hakumwambia Klopp chochote so Klopp akapata habari via contacts zake Dortmund ndio waka fall out.

Most people think that this is the reason why we are not at our level best since the fall out. They call Buvac 'The Brain' because of his tactical genius.

No. that is not the reason to be fair..

kama ingekuwa hiyo ndiyo reason asingerudi kwao Serbia, he is living with his mother in serbia now, far away from football.

i think, ni ishu za wachezaji, was told he was against na Emre can kuondoka, mambo yakaenda vibaya baada ya Klopp na FSG kukataa maombi ya Can kwenye mazungumzo ya Mkataba na kumruhusu aondoke for free.

that can be the reason, but nadhani ameshakuwa na disputes nyingi sana na Klopp over the years, as wamefanya kazi kwa muda mrefu sana, nadhani kuna kubwa zaidi ya hilo man.
 
No. that is not the reason to be fair..

kama ingekuwa hiyo ndiyo reason asingerudi kwao Serbia, he is living with his mother in serbia now, far away from football.

i think, ni ishu za wachezaji, was told he was against na Emre can kuondoka, mambo yakaenda vibaya baada ya Klopp na FSG kukaa maombi ya Can na kumruhusu aondoke for free.

that can be a reason, but nadhani ameshakuwa na disputes nyingi sana na Klopp over the years, as wamefanya kazi kwa muda mrefu sana, nadhani kuna kubwa zaidi ya hilo man.
Could be ila the truth is known may be only by him and Klopp. It's hard to believe how far they've come since their days at Mainz for their relationship to come to such a sudden halt.

Couldn't they agree to disagree?
 
Could be ila the truth is known may be only by him and Klopp. It's hard to believe how far they've come since their days at Mainz for their relationship to come to such a sudden halt.

Couldn't they agree to disagree?

Yeah, i guess ni ishu kubwa kidogo, and maybe Klopp refused to side with him,

maana, Buvac ni die hard LFC fan, and alikuwa ni mmoja ya watu aliyemconvince Klopp kuja LFC, sasa mpaka kufikia kuondoka 2 weeks kabla ya CL, ambapo Club yake anayoishabikia ilikuwa imefanikiwa kufika final baada ya miaka kumi.. inaonesha ishu ilikuwa ni kubwa kidogo..

besides, Klopp have changed a lot tangu aje LFC, i guess the pressure of managing the club of this size is getting to him, the only way to succeed kwenye Clubs kama Utd/LFC/Arsenal ni kufunga masikio kabisa, it seems Klopp anasikiliza sana critics. na anajaribu very hard kuwaprove wrong hence players kama kina Lallana bado tupo nao.

Nakumbuka nilisoma kwenye LFC echo kuwa Klopp alikuwa anajiandaa kumpa msimu mwingine Karius eti kwasababu alikuwa anapondwa sana, luckly, blunders za Karius kwenye pre-season zikamfumbua macho.

but, we have to agree kuwa Buvac was a big loss
 
Yeah, i guess ni ishu kubwa kidogo, and maybe Klopp refused to side with him,

maana, Buvac ni die hard LFC fan, and alikuwa ni mmoja ya watu aliyemconvince Klopp kuja LFC, sasa mpaka kufikia kuondoka 2 weeks kabla ya CL, ambapo Club yake anayoishabikia ilikuwa imefanikiwa kufika final baada ya miaka kumi.. inaonesha ishu ilikuwa ni kubwa kidogo..

besides, Klopp have changed a lot tangu aje LFC, i guess the pressure of managing the club of this size is getting to him, the only way to succeed kwenye Clubs kama Utd/LFC/Arsenal ni kufunga masikio kabisa, it seems Klopp anasikiliza sana critics. na anajaribu very hard kuwaprove wrong hence players kama kina Lallana bado tupo nao.

Nakumbuka nilisoma kwenye LFC echo kuwa Klopp alikuwa anajiandaa kumpa msimu mwingine Karius eti kwasababu alikuwa anapondwa sana, lucky blunders za Karius kwenye pre-season zikamfumbua macho.

but, we have to agree kuwa Buvac was a big loss
Dah, ndio hamna namna tena. Na kama mambo ndio yalivyo ina maana kuna gap katika tachnical team? Ni nani atakuja kuziba pengo la Buvac?

Some fans want Klopp's head and are demanding Salah be sold before his value slumps. What's your take on this?
 
Dah, ndio hamna namna tena. Na kama mambo ndio yalivyo ina maana kuna gap katika tachnical team? Ni nani atakuja kuziba pengo la Buvac?

Some fans want Klopp's head and are demanding Salah be sold before his value slumps. What's your take on this?
Dont get twisted
Liverpool dont need Buvac to succeed
We are very OK
Points kama Klopp kafungwa na kocha muuza duka ni trash ya mwaka
Iceland walimtoa Uingereza wakiwa na kocha muongoza ndege
Carlo Ancelot mshahara wake anawalipa wachezaji wote wa Belgrade LKN hakupata matokeo mazuri ugenini
Labda wengi walikuwa wadogo,Belgrade walichukua CL wakiwa na wachezaji wote local
In Klopp we trust,CL sweet 16 tunaenda,hata mwaka jana tulitegemea tushinde game ya mwisho twende mbele!
 
Dah, ndio hamna namna tena. Na kama mambo ndio yalivyo ina maana kuna gap katika tachnical team? Ni nani atakuja kuziba pengo la Buvac?

Some fans want Klopp's head and are demanding Salah be sold before his value slumps. What's your take on this?

Pep Lijnders ndiye aliyeziba pengo la Buvac...

People want Klopp head? to be honest with the series of bad performance and now results za hivi karibuni, wont be surprised if that is true, but tupo kwenye bad patch now ambayo inarekebishika, me ni mmoja kati ya over-reactionary fans but honestly team yetu bado inahitaji some spares ili kukaa vizuri, as i said in my recent posts i'm very fine na our league positions/finishes so far, but we need tp build more on cups for now, In my honest opinion i still think Klopp is the right man for the job, he's bit stubborn but the good thing is he's improving our squad kila summer..

I mean, whats wrong with Salah, if anything he is the only player who tries so hard upfront now, Mane and Firmino are the one struggling a lot. Salah is playing very good, the problem is ameset his bar too high baada ya msimu wa last season, will be hard to replicate his last season form (because he is not Messi or Cr7), but i am sure he will hit 20+. Salah is fine and good. and only a fool can agree to sell him man
 
Dont get twisted
Liverpool dont need Buvac to succeed
We are very OK
Points kama Klopp kafungwa na kocha muuza duka ni trash ya mwaka
Iceland walimtoa Uingereza wakiwa na kocha muongoza ndege
Carlo Ancelot mshahara wake anawalipa wachezaji wote wa Belgrade LKN hakupata matokeo mazuri ugenini
Labda wengi walikuwa wadogo,Belgrade walichukua CL wakiwa na wachezaji wote local
In Klopp we trust,CL sweet 16 tunaenda,hata mwaka jana tulitegemea tushinde game ya mwisho twende mbele!
I didn't say i was buying all that crap from the haters. My point is, kama Buvac alikuwepo na akaondoka na mpaka saizi nafasi yake haijazibwa ina maana mos def kuna pengo!

Sijasema kuwa Klopp hafai, no and as for now sioni kama kuna kocha anaweza kuja LFC kufanya kitu kikubwa zaidi ya anachofanya Klopp.

Kwa upande wangu mimi nadhani tinahitaji kufanya massive clear out next window (winter or summer) tutoe frails kwenye squad yetu angalau tusajili wachezaji wanaojielewa.
 
Dah, ndio hamna namna tena. Na kama mambo ndio yalivyo ina maana kuna gap katika tachnical team? Ni nani atakuja kuziba pengo la Buvac?

Some fans want Klopp's head and are demanding Salah be sold before his value slumps. What's your take on this?
Mkuu Buvac hana lolote,alikuwa mzigo tu
Ona mechi ZA KWANZA 11 za EPL wakati wa BUVAC na mechi 11 tulizocheza bila Buvac
Watford 3-3
Man City 5-0
Burnlye 1-1 Anfield
Newcastle 1-1
Man U 0-0
Totenham 4-1
Tulipoteza points 14 mechi 11 za kwanza za EPL wkt huyu Buvac yupo
Mwaka huu ktk mechi 11 tumepoteza points 6 tu tena kwa Arsenal,Man City na Chelsea
Mwaka jana Buvac trashiest kama Burnrly,Newcastle,Watford walitufunga
Wakubwa wenzetu wawili walitufunga
Tupo sawa mno na tuwe tunaangalia kwanza data kabla hatujaandika!
 
Red Star win against us, was their first win in Champions league competition after 26 years..

and not just win, they outplayed us..

and here you have got a grown man, hyping them up..

Might aswell hype Nottingham forest for winning the CL tukiwa bado "wadogo"
 
I didn't say i was buying all that crap from the haters. My point is, kama Buvac alikuwepo na akaondoka na mpaka saizi nafasi yake haijazibwa ina maana mos def kuna pengo!

Sijasema kuwa Klopp hafai, no and as for now sioni kama kuna kocha anaweza kuja LFC kufanya kitu kikubwa zaidi ya anachofanya Klopp.

Kwa upande wangu mimi nadhani tinahitaji kufanya massive clear out next window (winter or summer) tutoe frails kwenye squad yetu angalau tusajili wachezaji wanaojielewa.

you' are wasting your precious time buddy.
 
I didn't say i was buying all that crap from the haters. My point is, kama Buvac alikuwepo na akaondoka na mpaka saizi nafasi yake haijazibwa ina maana mos def kuna pengo!

Sijasema kuwa Klopp hafai, no and as for now sioni kama kuna kocha anaweza kuja LFC kufanya kitu kikubwa zaidi ya anachofanya Klopp.

Kwa upande wangu mimi nadhani tinahitaji kufanya massive clear out next window (winter or summer) tutoe frails kwenye squad yetu angalau tusajili wachezaji wanaojielewa.
Liverpool ilikuwa inatoka sare na Newcastle,Burnley Anfield
Liverpoo walikuwa wanatoka sare na Watford
Lkn sasa hivi vitimu wala sina wasi wasi
Ona atakacho fanywa Fulham Juma[ili
Klopp katengeneza team
 
Pep Lijnders ndiye aliyeziba pengo la Buvac...

People want Klopp head? to be honest with the series of bad performance and now results za hivi karibuni, wont be surprised if that is true, but tupo kwenye bad patch now ambayo inarekebishika, me ni mmoja kati ya over-reactionary fans but honestly team yetu bado inahitaji some spares ili kukaa vizuri, as i said in my recent posts i'm very fine na our league positions/finishes so far, but we need tp build more on cups for now, In my honest opinion i still think Klopp is the right man for the job, he's bit stubborn but the good thing is he's improving our squad kila summer..

I mean, whats wrong with Salah, if anything he is the only player who tries so hard upfront now, Mane and Firmino are the one struggling a lot. Salah is playing very good, the problem is ameset his bar too high baada ya msimu wa last season, will be hard to replicate his last season form (because he is not Messi or Cr7), but i am sure he will hit 20+. Salah is fine and good. and only a fool can agree to sell him man
Kumbe Pepjin baada ya kurejea alibadilishiwa role!

Hizo habari nimesoma jana kwenye 'daily star' ila ata hivyo niliona habari nyingi walizoandika kuhusu LFC ni negative tu hakuna ya kuje. Mara 'Mo Salah is unhappy at LFC'.. Man alot of crap up there.
 
Red Star win against us, was their first win in Champions league competition after 26 years..

and not just win, they outplayed us..

and here you have got a grown man, hyping them up..

Might aswell hype Nottingham forest for winning the CL tukiwa bado "wadogo"
Sawa,Mungu-Mtu wako Ancelotti alishinda Serbia
 

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