Battle: Dar es Salaam vs Nairobi

[Nicxie]

Mayor ni Diwani, anachaguliwa na watu mzee. Tanzania inafuata Utaratibu wa UK nyie mnafuata utaratibu wa USA. Usipoielewa tofauti hiyo utabaki mjunga milele

Under the old Kenyan constitutional dispensation, mayors were not necessarily elected by the electorate. A person could could become a mayor without even becoming a councilor (diwani).

 

[President of China]

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[President of China]

Un the old Kenyan constitutional dispensation, mayors were not necessarily elected by the electorate. A person could could become a mayor without even becoming a councilor (diwani).

So UN siku hizi wanapangia sheria za nchi na katiba? Hiyo ni ya kwenu. Soma maelezo yangu ya kina comment #650,565 Quote comment hiyo na uache kujitia uchizi soma maelezo.

 

[nyangau mkenya]

😁 We used to have mayors , district commissioners, provincial administrators.. etc very powerful people selected by the ruling party

 

[President of China]

 

[President of China]

😁 We used to have mayors , district commissioners, provincial administrators.. etc very powerful people

You did not have D by D policy ndio maana mlikwama. Sasa hivi ndio mnaelekea kubaya zaidi. No development in your country kila siku maandamano na kutukanana

 

[Mpwimbe]

China is an authoritarian government so data get cooked all the time including close control of their currency. They have many shiny objects but beneath that is a fragile foundation. The positive part is they trend cautiously and use long term planning to their advantage. Otherwise if China was that powerful, they would have taken back Taiwan by now. The only thing stopping them is the heavy presence of the United States military in the Pacific .

When you live in a mud slum, affected by hunger, only chewing Jaba the brain cells damages automatically

 

[President of China]

😁 We used to have mayors , district commissioners, provincial administrators.. etc very powerful people selected by the ruling party

1. Muundo wa Serikali za Mitaa (Local Authorities)​

• Kenya (Kabla ya 2010): Kenya ilikuwa na mamlaka 175 (Municipal, Town, and County Councils). Hizi zilikuwa zinaendeshwa chini ya Local Government Act (Cap 265). Tofauti na Tanzania, mamlaka hizi zilikuwa na nguvu ndogo sana na zilikuwa chini ya udhibiti mkali wa Waziri wa Serikali za Mitaa kutoka Nairobi.
• Tanzania: Tanzania imekuwa na mfumo wa D by D tangu miaka ya 90, ambapo mamlaka zinatoka kikatiba na zimegatuliwa zaidi kuanzia ngazi ya Wilaya hadi Kijiji.

2. Kitendawili cha Serikali ya Kijiji​

Hapa ndipo kuna tofauti kubwa:

• Kenya (Kabla ya 2010): Kenya haikuwa na "Village Government" kama chombo cha kisheria na kiutendaji. Badala yake, walikuwa na mfumo wa Provincial Administration (Kutoka PC, DC, DO, Chief, hadi Assistant Chief).
  • Hawa walikuwa ni wateule wa Rais (Civil Servants), si viongozi waliochaguliwa na wananchi wa eneo husika.
  • Assistant Chief hakuwa na "Baraza la Kijiji" lenye uwezo wa kutunga sheria ndogo au kusimamia akaunti ya kijiji kama ilivyo Tanzania.
• Tanzania: Serikali ya Kijiji ni chombo kamili chenye Mwenyekiti na Halmashauri ya Kijiji (Village Council) inayochaguliwa na wananchi. Hii inafanya Tanzania kuwa na "Demokrasia ya Msingi" (Grassroots Democracy) ambayo Kenya haikuwa nayo kabla ya 2010.

3. "Administrative" vs "Political" Units​

• Katika Kenya ya zamani, "Districts" na "Divisions" zilikuwa ni vitengo vya kiutawala (Administrative units) vya Serikali Kuu.
• Katika Tanzania, Halmashauri ya Wilaya ni kitengo cha kisiasa na kiutawala kinachojitegemea (Autonomous body) kwa kiasi fulani, kikiwa na Baraza la Madiwani.

4. Kwa nini Kenya ilibadilika?​

Kenya iliona kuwa mfumo wao wa zamani ulikuwa umepumbazwa na Centralization (Madaraka kurundikwa Nairobi). Mwananchi wa kijijini hakuwa na sauti yoyote kuhusu bajeti ya maendeleo ya eneo lake. Ndiyo maana mwaka 2010 waliamua kufanya "Devolution" kubwa sana:

• Walifuta mfumo wa Provincial Administration (PC na DC).
• Waliunda County Governments 47 zenye magavana na bajeti kubwa.

Hitimisho:Kenya haikuwa kama Tanzania. Kenya ilikuwa na mfumo wa "Top-Down" (Maamuzi kutoka juu kwenda chini kupitia Ma-Chief), wakati Tanzania ilikuwa na "Bottom-Up" (Maamuzi kuanzia ngazi ya Kijiji kwenda juu kupitia D by D). Hata sasa, Kenya bado haina mfumo imara wa Serikali za Vijiji (Village Governments) kama wa Tanzania; wao wameishia ngazi ya Kaunti (County) na Wodi (Ward).

 

[Nicxie]

Idiot a mayor is elected by the people! unaturingia county government Ukunduni na hamna cha maana walichofanya tangu devolution! Peleka majitambo Ukunduni!

Hamna cha maana county governments wamefanya?

1. Fiscal Growth & Accountability, where the National Assembly approved Kshs. 415 billion in equitable share in this financial year thus fostering better local financial management.

2. Infrastructure & Investment. County governments are establishing County Aggregation and Industrial Parks (CAIPs) in counties to boost manufacturing and local jobs. I can literally show you such project in all the 47 county governments across Kenya.

3. Legislative Oversight. The Senate Liaison Office launched a County Legislative Tracker to monitor and promote transparency, and allow public participation in county law-making.

4. Healthcare Transformation. All health services in Kenya are devolved (under county governments). Also, funding is dedicated to Community Health Promoters (CHPs) nationwide under the Afya Bora Mashinani program.

Wewe endelea kusifia ujamaa

 

[President of China]

Ngoja tuendelee kuwafundisha wakenya waache ushamba. Kitu kinachowasumbua ni ukabila

Hapa kuna uchambuzi wa jinsi Kenya walivyoshusha demokrasia na wapi walipoishia ikilinganishwa na mfumo wa Tanzania:

1. Demokrasia Imeishia Ngazi ya Wodi (Ward)​

Katiba ya Kenya inatambua ngazi ya chini kabisa ya uwakilishi wa kisiasa kuwa ni Wodi. Wananchi humchagua Mjumbe wa Bunge la Kaunti (MCA - Member of County Assembly).

• Tofauti: MCA anawakilisha eneo kubwa (Wodi nzima). Chini ya MCA hakuna chombo kingine cha kidemokrasia (hakuna madiwani wa vijiji wala wenyeviti wa mitaa waliochaguliwa kisheria).

2. Kitengo cha Kijiji (Village Unit) ni cha "Kiutawala" tu​

Ingawa sheria ya Serikali za Kaunti (County Governments Act, 2012) inataja "Village Units" na "Village Administrators," hivi si vyombo vya kidemokrasia:

• Msimamizi wa Kijiji (Village Administrator): Huyu ni mwajiriwa wa Kaunti (Civil Servant). Hapigiwi kura na wananchi.
• Baraza la Kijiji (Village Council): Sheria inaruhusu kuwepo kwa baraza la wazee/watu wa kijiji kutoa ushauri, lakini halina mamlaka ya kutunga sheria (By-laws) wala halina bajeti inayojitegemea kama ilivyo Serikali ya Kijiji Tanzania.

3. "Grassroots Democracy": Tanzania vs. Kenya​

Tanzania bado inaongoza kwa kuishusha serikali "mlangoni" kwa mwananchi:

• Tanzania: Mwenyekiti wa Kijiji anachaguliwa na watu, na ana Baraza la Kijiji ambalo linaweza kuita Mkutano Mkuu wa Kijiji kutoa maamuzi. Hii ndiyo demokrasia ya msingi (Direct Democracy).
• Kenya: Mwananchi anaweza kumfikia MCA wake, lakini hana "Serikali ya Kijiji" ya kwenda kuishitaki au inayoweza kupitisha maamuzi ya kisheria bila kwenda kwenye ngazi ya Kaunti.

4. Kwa nini Kenya haikuleta Serikali ya Kijiji?​

Wataalamu wa Katiba nchini Kenya walihofia mambo mawili:

1. Gharama: Kulipa mishahara ya viongozi wa vijiji maelfu nchi nzima ingekuwa mzigo mkubwa sana kwa kodi za wananchi.
2. Migogoro ya Kikabila: Walihofia kuwa na serikali ndogo sana za vijiji ingechochea uhasama wa koo au makabila madogo madogo katika ngazi ya chini (Local clan politics).

Hitimisho​

Katiba ya Kenya imefanikiwa sana kuondoa madaraka Nairobi na kuyapeleka makao makuu ya Kaunti (47 centers), lakini haijashuka mpaka kijijini kama ilivyo Tanzania.

Mwananchi wa Kenya bado anategemea zaidi mfumo wa Machifu (Chiefs) na Wasaidizi wa Machifu (Assistant Chiefs) kwa masuala ya kila siku ya usalama na utawala, ambao bado ni sehemu ya Serikali Kuu (National Government) na si serikali ya wananchi ya kuchaguliwa.

Kwa kifupi: Tanzania ina serikali mlangoni, Kenya ina serikali mjini (kaunti).

 

[Nicxie]

So UN siku hizi wanapangia sheria za nchi na katiba? Hiyo ni ya kwenu. Soma maelezo yangu ya kina comment #650,565 Quote comment hiyo na uache kujitia uchizi soma maelezo.

I meant to say 'under' but since wewe ni bongolala, you couldn't tell that's a typo. I clearly wrote 'un', not UN. Read to understand na utoe emotions hapa

 

[President of China]

Hamna cha maana county governments wamefanya?

2. Infrastructure & Investment. County governments are establishing County Aggregation and Industrial Parks (CAIPs) in counties to boost manufacturing and local jobs. I can literally show you such project in all the 47 county governments across Kenya.

Wewe endelea kusifia ujamaa

Tuoneshe hiki na hizo pesa zisiwe za Central Goverment ziwe OSR. Natamani ufanye hivyo. But tunavyojua utakimbia na kujificha hutatekeleza milele

 

[President of China]

I meant to say 'under' but since wewe ni bongolala, you couldn't tell that's a typo. I clearly wrote 'un', not UN. Read to understand na utoe emotions hapa

First nimekuagiza usome #650,565 je umsesoma? Stop avoiding the topic.

 

[Nicxie]

First nimekuagiza usome #650,565 je umsesoma? Stop avoiding the topic.

Did you quote me prior in that post bongolala ndio uniagize niisome?

 

[President of China]

Did you quote me prior in that post bongolala ndio uniagize niisome?

Acha kukimbia mjadala. Tunaongelea Counties za Kenya dhidi ya Councils za Tanzania. Tanzania iliazna Devolution 1972 na kuanzisha serikali za vijiji. Nyie mmerukia juu juu na kwenda kwenye Counties. Tuambie sasa How Counties helped Kenya. Zaidi sana mlikuwa mnataka kupunguza mihemko ya tribalism hakuna zaidi ya hapo.

Tuambie kwanini mmeshindwa kwenda zaidi kwenye village level kama Tanzania? Mnajua kuwa mtachapana mapanga na nchi haitatawalika.

You will never be like Tanzania milele. Mtaendelea kupiga kelele na kujifanya kuwa mmeleta Katiba mpya wakati hata hamjaifikia Katiba ya Tanzania kwa ubora. Zaidi sana Katiba yenu imeleta mvurugano tu na kuhamasisha rushwa.

 

[President of China]

Did you quote me prior in that post bongolala ndio uniagize niisome?

Ukweli wa Katiba yenu huu hapa

Baada ya machafuko ya 2007/2008, Wakenya waliamini kuwa kila kabila likiwa na "ulaji" (bajeti) wake katika eneo lake (County), vurugu za kugombea kiti cha Rais Nairobi zitapungua.

 

[mwaiofhawaii]

😁 We used to have mayors , district commissioners, provincial administrators.. etc very powerful people selected by the ruling party

The old Provincial Administration…. Enforced the KANU philosophy of the one finger salute…🤣🤣🤣…. Imagine this where Tanzania is at the moment…

 

[Geza Ulole]

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[nairobae]

Mtu anatupigia kelele hapa na petty things sijui eti sijui serikali ya vijiji. Yet all powers belong to Samia Suluhu. 😂 😂 😂 Bongoslum hata choo huwezi jenga bila permission ya CCM yet a fool has the audacity to compare it with Kenya where there is transfer of power, protected under the constitution.

 

[President of China]

The old Provincial Administration…. Enforced the KANU philosophy of the one finger salute…🤣🤣🤣…. Imagine this where Tanzania is at the moment…

We do not have kitu kama hicho. Tanzania never have same system kama Kenya. Tanzania iliaza zamani sana mambo ya devolution since 1972 ilitunga sheria ya vijiji vya ujamaa. So kila kijiji kilianza kuwa na representative wa kisiasa kwa kuchaguliwa.

NB: Nyerere was Educated person With masters in History and Economics from University of Edinburgh) nchini Scotland aliipata 1952

Huku Kenyatta akiwa hana elimu kichwani. Ujinga wa Kenyatta unawatesa wakenya mpaka leo.

Tanzania started with strong foundation but Kenya not.

Tanzania and Kenya never had related system. Usidanganye watu hapa