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[Geza Ulole]

Okay nmesema tusiuze umeme .. almost kila country ina surplus tho..so we might be idle while waiting for customers ..kwann hela isitumike kujenga Light rail na kumalizia BRT watu wetu wapate huduma ya chap ..kuliko kuhangaika kuongeza a 580mw plant after jNHpp that will wait for customers ..? We might be viewing things different tho unahangaika kujenga surplus power plant ..wakati hio hela ukiimutiply sector nyngne itakupa kodi nyingne na kuwasaidia watu kupunguza travelling time

kwanini tusiuze hii grid inayojengwa ni for what purpose? wacha upuuzi! Ujuaji hausaidii, kuna vitu ni zaidi ya upeo wako hii ni mipango na unavyoongea SADC ina upungufu mkubwa wa umeme all the way mpaka South Africa umeme wa unit cost Tshs 36 hautakuwa na upinzani! Hata majirani hawataweza kushindana nasi!

Facts speak louder than than ur preference! Kama Ethiopia watauza kwann sie tusiuze pia? Sisi tumekosa nn kushiriki kwenye hii biashara? Juzi tumezindua mradi wa nickel kuna miradi wa graphite, gold refineries na Liganga and Mchuchuma iron ore and coal inakuja na ni energy intensive! Unafikiri watatumia umeme upi? wa unit cost Tshs 36 au kujenga power plants zao?

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[Tz_one]

kwanini tusiuze hii grid inayojengwa ni for what purpose? wacha upuuzi! Ujuaji hausaidii!

We jamaa sijawai kuona sehemu amabyo uko wrong .. its almost ur right kila kitu ..you cant have same views na watu wote ...
na jua Grid inajengwa na mimi sioni mama kuna shida grid ikijengwa na tukauza umeme nje cause tutapata pesa

Point yangu ni moja kujenga mitambo ijengwe ila sio kwa speed kubwa mpka umeme ukabaki surplus ..nchi gani umeona wanahangaika hawana umeme ukiaachana na SA na labda zimbabwe kidogo na hao SA wanajenga plants zao as we speak

So if JNHPP is u/c itazalisha 2115mw
Kinyerezi 1 ext 185mw 188mil usd

Rusumo 28mw

Afdb wame approve loan ya 50mw
malagarasi fall 120million usd mind you hio ni 250billion Tsh

Why uanze kujenga Ruhidij sijui na nyngne ipi zitazoproduce 560mw cost maybe be around 1bil usd kumbuka ..utauza umeme miaka mingap ugenerate revenue ya 1billion usd

Ushapata picha hio 1 usd B iende kumalizia phase za BrT 3 zilizobaki na kuanza kunenga light rail Dar na Mwanza ..unajua almost watu wote watatumia na hela itarudi chap kuliko kujenga power plants ambao wateja ni almost wakulenga cause nao wanahangaika kujenga plants zao ??

 

[Tony254]

white elephant? kwahiyo Tanesco haipaswi kuendelea kufanya biashara na kuzalisha na kusambaza umeme mwingi nafuu? alternative power? Unajua kuhusu energy wewe? Ni Majirani wangapi tunaweza kuwauzia pia? nyie Kenya mna surplus lakini expensive power! SADC needs more power! wacha wivu mshikaji, 2022 inakuja, mlevi anafanya tour za kumjibu Sonko!




Preparations for more of white elephant well underway, the power is to go at Tshs 36, the cheapest rate per unit in comparison to all other forms of power generation!

Baadaye utakumbuka kauli yangu. Wewe ngoja tu miradi hizi mbili ziishe za 2,000 MW na 580 MW ndio mtajua kwamba kuzalisha ni rahisi lakini kupata demand ya umeme ni ngumu. Umeme utakaa idle. Anyway, time will tell. Baadaye tutajua nani alikuwa correct. Kwa sasa endeleeni kujipiga kifua.

 

[Geza Ulole]

We jamaa sijawai kuona sehemu amabyo uko wrong .. its almost ur right kila kitu ..you cant have same views na watu wote ...
na jua Grid inajengwa na mimi sioni mama kuna shida grid ikijengwa na tukauza umeme nje cause tutapata pesa

Point yangu ni moja kujenga mitambo ijengwe ila sio kwa speed kubwa mpka umeme ukabaki surplus ..nchi gani umeona wanahangaika hawana umeme ukiaachana na SA na labda zimbabwe kidogo na hao SA wanajenga plants zao as we speak

So if JNHPP is u/c itazalisha 2115mw
Kinyerezi 1 ext 185mw 188mil usd

Rusumo 28mw

Afdb wame approve loan ya 50mw
malagarasi fall 120million usd mind you hio ni 250billion Tsh

Why uanze kujenga Ruhidij sijui na nyngne ipi zitazoproduce 560mw cost maybe be around 1bil usd kumbuka ..utauza umeme miaka mingap ugenerate revenue ya 1billion usd

Ushapata picha hio 1 usd B iende kumalizia phase za BrT 3 zilizobaki na kuanza kunenga light rail Dar na Mwanza ..unajua almost watu wote watatumia na hela itarudi chap kuliko kujenga power plants ambao wateja ni almost wakulenga cause nao wanahangaika kujenga plants zao ??

nakuuliza unajua gold refinery inahitaji kiasi gani cha umeme? na ni refinery ngapi zinajengwa so far? kama hujui acha ujuaji! mwache JPM afanye mambo yake hakurupuki kwenye hili! Ameona opportunity ya kufanya biashara!

 

[Tz_one]

kwanini tusiuze hii grid inayojengwa ni for what purpose? wacha upuuzi! Ujuaji hausaidii, kuna vitu ni zaidi ya upeo wako hii ni mipango na unavyoongea SADC ina upungufu mkubwa wa umeme all the way mpaka South Africa umeme wa unit cost Tshs 36 hautakuwa na upinzani! Hata majirani hawataweza kushindana nasi! facts speak louder than than ur preference! kama Ethiopia watauza kwann sie tusiuze pia? Sisi tumekosa nn kushiriki kwenye hii biashara? Juzi tumezindua mradi wa nickel kuna mradi wa graphite na Liganga and Mchuchuma iron ore inakuja na energy intensive! Unafikiri watatumia umeme upi? wa unit cost Tshs 36 au kujenga power plants zao?

Power supply still a problem in SADC region || The Southern Times

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Malawi challenges SADC energy experts to find lasting solutions to power problems - Malawi News | Breaking News, Politics, Business & Sports | Nyasa Times

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Geza tatizo unafikiri am against you while am not ..
Na support Power plants na Grid zijengwe na tuuze umeme sadc

Ila timing ndo what matters while we are selling that surplus JnHPP,and other sources electricty see how it goes and continue ..while kuhangaika selling umeme while ur citizen they dont move hata fast kwenda ma ofisini kwao ...

We should do all things na nakubali..and my main point was to wait for 5 yrs atleast kabla ya ku procure mtu kujenga another 560mw za huko njombe ...cause we will be having 1000mw cheap surplus we can sell anyway

 

[Geza Ulole]

Baadaye utakumbuka kauli yangu. Wewe ngoja tu miradi hizi mbili ziishe za 2,000 MW na 580 MW ndio mtajua kwamba kuzalisha ni rahisi lakini kupata demand ya umeme ni ngumu. Umeme utakaa idle. Anyway, time will tell. Baadaye tutajua nani alikuwa correct. Kwa sasa endeleeni kujipiga kifua.

Ibaki idle wakati grid ipo inajengwa na at the moment SADC wana power rationing na miradi ya migodi ipo lined up? Mshikaji hii sio field yako! kaa kimya!

 

[Tony254]

To many different conflicting info.last year nmesoma guardian ...nkipata ntaweka ." consmuptiom ni 1400mw to 1500mw na pdn 1600mw leaving us with 100-200mw surplus na alisema waziri

Hata mimi nimeshangaa sana. Mimi nilijua consumption ya Tanzania ni between 1,400 MW na 1,500 MW huku production ikiwa 1,600 MW kwa hivyo surplus ni 100 MW. Hii habari ya Tanzania kuconsume 1,100 MW imenishangaza.
Geza Ulole unaweza kutoa ufafanuzi wowote kuhusu hili? Au huyo waziri ndiye amechanganyikiwa?

 

[Geza Ulole]

Geza tatizo unafikiri am against you while am not ..
Na support Power plants na Grid zijengwe na tuuze umeme sadc

Ila timing ndo what matters while we are selling that surplus JnHPP,and other sources electricty see how it goes and continue ..while kuhangaika selling umeme while ur citizen they dont move hata fast kwenda ma ofisini kwao ...

We should do all things na nakubali..and my main point was to wait for 5 yrs atleast kabla ya ku procure mtu kujenga another 560mw za huko njombe ...cause we will be having 1000mw cheap surplus we can sell anyway

Upo against kwa miradi inayojengwa kukufanya ufanye biashara right away ila kwa short-sightedness yako huoni! Unafikiri hatuna haki ya kuingia kwenye biashara hii lucrative!

 

[Tz_one]

nakuuliza unajua gold refinery inahitaji kiasi gani cha umeme? na ni refinery ngapi zinajengwa so far? kama hujui acha ujuaji! mwacha JPM afanye mambo yake hakurupuki kwenye hili! Ameona opportunity ya kufanya biashara!

Gold refinery kuna moja imeanza kufanya kazi dodoma ..

Unajua hata transfomers kama wanayojenga dodoma imeongeza 200mw + dodoma bila kujenga power plant yoyote ?

Sijasema tumekurupuka what i said is that when JnHPP and now u/c projects are done Tz shouldnt be in a hurry to produce 500mw another that will cost almost 1bil usd

 

[Geza Ulole]

Hata mimi nimeshangaa sana. Mimi nilijua consumption ya Tanzania ni between 1,400 MW na 1,500 MW huku production ikiwa 1,600 MW kwa hivyo surplus ni 100 MW. Hii habari ya Tanzania kuconsume 1,100 MW inanichanganya.
Geza Ulole unaweza kutoa ufafanuzi wowote kuhusu hili? Au huyo waziri ndiye amechanganyikiwa?

ngoja tuone nani atanunua umeme wenu wa unit cost over Tshs 114! Ethiopia na Tanzania will dominate the regional power business! Rest be assured!



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[Geza Ulole]

Gold refinery kuna moja imeanza kufanya kazi dodoma ..

Unajua hata transfomers kama wanayojenga dodoma imeongeza 200mw + dodoma bila kujenga power plant yoyote ?

Sijasema tumekurupuka what i said is that when JnHPP and now u/c projects are done Tz shouldnt be in a hurry to produce 500mw another what will cost almost 1bil usd

na Mwanza, Geita kuna at least 2 zinakamilika mwaka huu! Unajua sipendi watu short sightedness na wanabisha bila kujua the bigger picture!

 

[Tony254]

ngoja tuone nani atanunua umeme wenu wa unit cost over Tshs 100

Jibu swali. Consumption yenu haiwezi kuwa ndogo hivyo. Haiwezi kuwa 1,100 MW kwa nchi kubwa kama yenu. Huyo waziri kakurupuka.
Tz_one huyo waziri mbona asivutwe kazi kwa kutoa data mbaya? Yaani sitaki kuamini kabisa kwamba TZ inaconsume 1,100 MW. Hainiingi kichwani.

 

[Omary - Msamalia]

Jibu swali. Consumption yenu haiwezi kuwa ndogo hivyo. Haiwezi kuwa 1,100 MW kwa nchi kubwa kama yenu. Huyo waziri kakurupuka.
Tz_one huyo waziri mbona asivutwe kazi kwa kutoa data mbaya? Yaani sitaki kuamini kabisa kwamba TZ inaconsume 1,100 MW. Hainiingi kichwani.

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[Geza Ulole]

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Wewe ngoja watu waendelee kubwabwaja! mtu yeyote anayetaka ku-invest huangalia vitu vitatu-vinne affordable power, good infrastructure, market and political stability! JPM anajaribu kufanya vyote hivi sambamba kuna wajuaji wanakuja na kelele za ati ajenge light train na BRT kwanza as if hajengi au hamna mpango huo in the near future or as if hazitahitaji umeme au gas!

 

[Tony254]

Point yako ni kweli ila TPDC na Tanesco ni indepent organizations wote wana attarct wateja kutokana na hao wateja watachagua kipi..either Gas au grid electricty

Kuhusu ku build more Dams its better to do the project now while the goverment is able than to wait and be like SA with its power probs .kumbuka mkopo wowote haujachukuliwa ..na surplus yetu ni kama 100-200mw .so haitoshi in coming 3-4yrs ...cause right now only 2 plants that are U/C kinyerezi 1 ext 185mw and rusumo 28Mw

Viwanda amabvyo haviko coast bado vinahitaji umeme wa tanesco sio Gas cause ya bomba haliko huko..most viwanda vya north na western vitatumia Grid

SGR yetu itahitaji umeme maybe it might need 100mw-200mw to start with but a fully functional may need hata 500mw -700mw

TPA wanapanua sana ports ..na ports huwa zina consume umeme tho not much ..kuna airports pia zinajengwa kma uyoga ..kuna ku connect mines na Grid ya taifa na hizo ndo biggest power consumers

Tho it might take up to 10years to see that we need to build other power plants after completion of JNHPP

Ingekua usemi wangu tungepumzika kujenga power plants kwa miaka 3-5 baada ya JNHpp na tuweke nguvu sector nyingne zaidi. Kisha tuone trend inaendaje ila ndo hvyo serikali ishaamua hata kama demand ndgo ..

nmeona kuna mpango wa kujenga another Hydro ya 580MW kusema kweli that will be super surplus na white elephant unless itajengwa kuanzia 2028 iishie 2032 au kama plan yetu ni kuzima Gas plant na kwenda all hydro until ukame utokee

ila Kwa nyerere hydro sio white elephant cause ikiisha umeme wake angalau 1000mw utakuwa una matumizi within a short time 2-3yrs kwenye SGR,Ports ,Industries amabzo zinakuja speed in coming 3-5yrs View attachment 1691397

I like your reasoning and how you analyse things objectively without bias. You are very intelligent. Analysis yako imetulia kweli.

 

[Tony254]

latest report inasema 1565.72 MW na mkataba wa Symbion ulisitishwa sasa kama unaibishia Tanesco wanaosema wanacho-generate wewe ni kiboko! hiyo 1629 MW ni yako wewe!!

Duh! Kwa hivyo ni kweli kwamba Tanzania mnaconsume 1,177 MW? Daadeki. Hii ni kali.
Tz_one unaona sasa nilichomaanisha niliposema kwamba TZ mnaconsume umeme kidogo? Imagine kama ni kweli kwamba mnaconsume 1,177 MW basi Kenya ipo karibu kuwadouble kwenye matumizi ya umeme kwa sababu Kenya inaconsume 1,900 MW sasa hivi na ukumbuke corona imesababisha industries nyingi kufungwa. Mwaka huu Kenya inatinga 2,000 MW kwenye consumption ya umeme

 

[Tz_one]

Wewe ngoja watu waendelee kubwabwaja! mtu yeyote anayetaka ku-invest huangalia vitu vitatu-vinne affordable power, good infrastructure, market and political stability! JPM anajaribu kufanya vyote hivi sambamba kuna wajuaji wanakuja na kelele za ati ajenge light train na BRT kwanza as if hajengi au hamna mpango huo in the near soon or as if hazitahitaji umeme!

Mpango huo upo na najua upo na vinajengwa i just said nguvu iongezeke ili hyo miradi ikamilike (lrt na brts) mapema na sio kuifanya pole pole na hela inaenda kujenga plants

maana project tulizo nazo zitazalisha 2400mw lets say zote zikiwa zimeisaha by 2025 hyo power inaweza kutusukma hata by 5 years na bado tukauza ndo tuanze kujenga hizo 560mw .Geza what will change rapidly over next 5 yrs itachofanya to consume 2400mw zote ? Hapo tutakuwa tuna 4000mw lets say migodi 5 na refinery tano na SGR zitumie 1500mw tutakuwa na surplus ya 1GW

 

[Geza Ulole]

Mpango huo upo na najua upo na vinajengwa i just said nguvu iongezeke ili hyo miradi ikamilike (lrt na brts) mapema na sio kuifanya pole pole na hela inaenda kujenga plants

maana project tulizo nazo zitazalisha 2400mw lets say zote zikiwa zimeisaha by 2025 hyo power inaweza kutusukma hata by 5 years na bado tukauza ndo tuanze kujenga hizo 560mw .Geza what will change rapidly over next 5 yrs itachofanya to consume 2400mw zote ? Hapo tutakuwa tuna 4000mw lets say migodi 5 na refinery tano na SGR zitumie 1500mw tutakuwa na surplus ya 1GW

Wajuaji kama wewe hawakosekani! JPM has chosen to prioritize projects that will earn the country foreign exchanges right away over projects with returns over a long term prospect!

Personally, i see his smartness on this as energy generation and commercialization is my field n i see them having returns in the immediate future! BTW i see him even overtaking Ethiopia and GERD, their long overdue project!

 

[Tz_one]

Duh! Kwa hivyo ni kweli kwamba Tanzania mnaconsume 1,177 MW? Daadeki. Hii ni kali.
Tz_one unaona sasa nilichonaanisha niliposema kwamba TZ mnaconsume umeme kidogo? Imagine kama ni kweli kwamba mnaconsume 1,177 MW basi Kenya ipo karibu kuwadouble kwenye matumizi ya umeme kwa sababu Kenya inaconsume 1,900 MW sasa hivi na ukumbuke corona imesababisha industries nyingi kufungwa. Mwaka huu Kenya inatinga 2,000 MW kwenye consumption ya umeme

Most of our industries use Gas ..na nying ziko pwani na Dar ..ambapo bomba limepita

Twiga Cement alone inatumia 40mw ya Gas produced

Na bado kuna Dangote nahis around 75mw not sure

Diamond cement iko pwani hizo zote hutumia Gas

So umeme bado mwing hauendi direct viwandani

SO in short kuna umeme wa Tpdc direct viwandani hujawa accounted for

I dont think he is right i read a report saying we are around 1300mw to 1400 nilishatumaga humu ila nikipata ntashare tena

 

[coodip1]

Baadaye utakumbuka kauli yangu. Wewe ngoja tu miradi hizi mbili ziishe za 2,000 MW na 580 MW ndio mtajua kwamba kuzalisha ni rahisi lakini kupata demand ya umeme ni ngumu. Umeme utakaa idle. Anyway, time will tell. Baadaye tutajua nani alikuwa correct. Kwa sasa endeleeni kujipiga kifua.

Hamna mkopo hapo wa kuumiza kichwa ndio maana hata ndege tumenunua kwa fujo hazidaiwi so no pressure.