Uraia wa waTutsi !

[jMali]

Has the world learnt from 1994 Genocide? Canadian Lieutenant-General Roméo Dallaire, who was the Force Commander of the defunct UN Assistance Mission in Rwanda during the 1994 Genocide against the Tutsi, yesterday expressed frustrations on how the international community knew about the imminent killings but ignored the warnings. Dallaire was yesterday speaking at the first Kwibuka20 Global Conversation held at the UN headquarters in New York under the theme, "Genocide: A Preventable Crime." The event was co-hosted by the Permanent Mission of Rwanda at the UN and the Global Centre for the Responsibility to Protect. Dallaire spoke about how he issued an alert about the likely genocide in Rwanda 20 years ago but his concerns were ignored. "Western diplomats came to Rwanda in 1994 and told me: ‘There's no strategic interest here,'" said Dallaire. He added: "The almost successful attempt of extermination was a deliberate action that we saw coming and watched. We were given the mandate to start going after the weapons stockpiles six days before the start of the Genocide." However, he said, to date, the international community has not grasped prevention of mass atrocities, and talked of the need for a new conception framework of prevention. "We must create a new multi-dimensional framework of conflict and mass atrocity prevention," he said, adding that middle powers must also re-engage to prevent mass atrocities. At the event, Rwanda's ambassador to the US, Mathilde Mukantabana, said Rwanda's tragic history has armed the nation with the zeal and determination to build a peaceful world. UN deputy chief Jan Eliasson also admitted there was an early warning issued by Gen. Dallaire but "he did not receive the response he needed and, above all, the response which the people of Rwanda needed." Response mechanism Eliasson added that in 1993, a UN Special Rapporteur warned that all the precursors of genocide were visible in Rwanda, but the UN system and the world were not able to stop the events unfolding on the ground. "The consequences of failing to heed the warning signs were monumentally horrifying. We must never forget the collective failure to prevent the Genocide in Rwanda," she said, adding that the UN has put in place several measures to ensure early response to warnings to avoid a repeat of what happened in Rwanda. Eugénie Mukeshimana, a Genocide survivor who was a student in Kigali at the time, said 20 years after the mayhem, it was impossible for her to escape the reality of the politics of the genocidal regime. Mukeshimana recounted life before 1994 pointing to the fact that the Genocide was not an overnight plan. "Walking to school, soldiers of the genocidal government asked, Who are you? Where are you from? We will get you," she narrated. "How did we get to a point where a nation was chanting ‘we will exterminate you?'" Mukeshimana added that the culture of impunity was a factor in the Genocide in Rwanda. Years of atrocities against Tutsis were ignored. "What are we teaching the younger generations to help them see the world differently? We have the opportunity to act differently today. The genocide in Rwanda was a collective failure, and now we have the opportunity for a collective response. We have a chance to change the future, for our children," she said. Meanwhile, latest reports indicate that Boutros Boutros-Ghali, the UN chief during the Genocide, decided not to share with the Security Council a fax message sent by the UN Mission in Kigali on the impeding genocide. The development was brought to light by former president of the Security Council Karel Kovanda, in a letter published in The New York Times. The fax was sent on January 11, 1994, warning of an "anti-Tutsi extermination" plot prepared from the highest levels of government. "Since I was president of the Security Council when the fax arrived, I confronted the secretary-general on this issue toward the end of 1995," said Kovanda. "In a subsequent meeting also attended by Chinmaya Garekhan of the UN Secretariat and Boutros-Ghali's right-hand man, the then UN chief stuck to his position. In the end, however, Boutros-Ghali conceded that the Americans, at least, had been informed, which in his view, should have been enough as far as the Security Council was concerned. It wasn't," disclosed Kovanda.

Umesahau kuweka source: New times Rwanda (Gazeti la serikali ya Rwanda linaloendeshwa na chama cha RPF!/state controlled newspaper). Gazeti hili hili ndio lililosema kuwa mama salma kikwete ni mhutu tena ndugu yake habyarimana!

Dunia inaamini magazeti huru kama the telegraph la uingereza na mengineyo, siyo hili government mouthpiece!

 

[Nyange]

umesahau pia kagame alikuwa mkuu, chief of millitary inteligency wa jeshi la Uganda ( uganda people's Defence Force )

sasa hivi ni rais wa Rwanda,yani hawa watu siwaelewi,Tanzania inabidi tuwe makini

Mkuu mbona hapa bongo wamejaa? tena wengi hujiita kuwa wanatoka kigoma na ngara? we attend kwenye moja ya arusi ya mtutsi mmoja akioa ndo utalijua jiji, kama mchungaji mtikila alivyoandika andiko lake, hawa watu ni noma, wakipania kitu wanakipata, ikishindikana wanamtumia dada yao mtutsi umbo lake ukiliona utapenda lazima uingie 18m zao. We acha watanue wanajua kujipanga.

 

[MUSONI]

Kabavamwo kama hujui kitu ni vema kukaa kimya kuriko kupotosha ukweli.marais walioiawa haaakuuwaaa na watutsi na ripoti ya UN inaonyesha. Na kilichotokea ni wahutu kuwaua watutsi wengi mno.....hata mhutu aliyeoa mtutsi walimuua na records za un zipo na UN waliomba radhi kwa kukaa kimya. JIPANGE KUWA MKWELI.

 

[Jodoki Kalimilo]

Tafuta historia ya jamaa mmoja anaitwa Bizima Karaha (si jina lake halisi amejaribu kulifanya liwe la kikongo) Yeye alikuwa Minister Uganda, akawa minister Rwanda akawa minister DRC, baada ya kusitukiwa naona akaamua kuanza adventures nyingine.

Wakuu lakini sioni kama ni sahihi kuwadefine wanyarwanda in terms of watutsi na mbaya zaidi kuwadefine in terms of Kagame. Mbona watutsi tulio nao Tanzania hawako ovyo? Mimi naona ovyo ni serikali ya Kigali.

Ndivyo walivyo hawa ila wapo strategic sana iwe wa Tz au wa huko Rwanda

 

[casampeda]

Mipaka waliweka wakoloni kama wewe mwafrika unaweza kuwa raia wa popote

 

[Jodoki Kalimilo]

Huu mjadala haufai tena umejaa chuki na ukabila..kitu kimoja watu waelewe makabila mengi ya mipakani yanaingiliana na ni wamoja sema mipaka ya wakoloni imewagawanya..ikumbukwe pia Rwanda na Burundi na Tanganyika zilikua nchi moja chini ya wajerumani ikiitwa Deutch Ostafrica na hio mipaka imekuja after WW2,tupunguze chuki na jazba sisi wote ni waafrika na afrika ni moja...nimeongea hivi ni baada ya ya kuona chuki dhidi ya watutsi zimezidi mpaka as if wao sio watu na hawana haki na nchi yao,..kuweka picha ya mtu hapa its not fair!!!

Wewe ndio umelonga kabisa na ndio maana ukienda mipakani huwa familia zinaingiliana na wanalijua hilo na zinatembeleana maana mtu anaweza akawa anakaa Sirari kule Tarime lakini akawa ana ndugu wengine kibao upande wa kenya kama Isibania na maeneo mengine. Hii ni changamoto tu kwa nchi za Afrika especially Tz kutokuwa na kumbukumbu za wananchi wake hivyo inapelekea watu wanajichanganya wengine sio raia na wanajifanya raia kutokana na hali ilivyo, leo hii watz wengi wakiambiwa wathibitishe uraia wao kwa kutoa document yoyote utapata wachache na tena mjini na wengi wao ni hawa waliozaliwa miaka ya late 80s ambapo kuingia shule lazima uwe na birth certificate. Nadhani awamu ya kwanza walichukulia poa kwa kuwa those days kulikuwa kuna mtazamo wa kiukombozi zaidi kama wa-Africa.

 

[Jodoki Kalimilo]

Hii comment imenisikitisha tafadhari msibaguane. nyinyi ni ndugu wote ni wa Rwanda ijengeni nchi yenu kwa maelewano zungumzeni vizuri kwa faida ya vizazi vyenu.

Comment nzito hiyo aliyotoa jamaa mpaka mwili unasisimka maana hawa jamaa sometime wana vitu vyao mioyoni ambapo mtu mwingine huwezi kuvijua na ndio maana kutatua matatizo yao inakuwa ngumu sana, wengine tunafanya observation tu maana matatizo ya hiyo nchi yana historia ndefu sana lakini naona kama yanaelekea kuisha vile

 

[mgosi agosigwa]

Kwa namna hii ugomvi wa ukabila hautaisha Rwanda..maana naona hata humu mnaonyesha mnavochukiana waz waz. Naona mna hamu na Genocide nyingine aisee. Let love lead

 

[Eric Cartman]

Mpe za uso, mwambie hatuhitaji mchango wake aendelee kuponda Tanzania na hii ndo nchi yetu.

First i didn't get this nor the purpose of this thread you just hope 'operation kimbunga' is still on big up jMali kweli kila mtu na kazi yake.

 

[MGOSI132]

Lakini wameweka source and people they quote, are you disagreeing with the Newtimes or the contents with in??

 

[MGOSI132]

Hii ni official report ya UN on their role in the Genocide against Tutsi, for those interested just cut and paste the below link into your blowser:
http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/{65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9}/POC S19991257.pdf
I hope Jmali utakubali atleast the introduction manake hii haijaandikwa na Newtimes:
I think its is the time for you (jMali) to point out what you think should be done, toa solution for what you think is the problem:
On the other side kubali kwamba Title ya thread yako inaonyesha hatred kwa wa Tutsi in general; unge mention only names labda watu wangekuelewa lakini when you generalize we have to think twice about your motive:

 

[Koba]

First i didn't get this nor the purpose of this thread you just hope 'operation kimbunga' is still on big up jMali kweli kila mtu na kazi yake.

Lol,first I thought this dude does make some sense ingawaje i didn't agree with you,lakini now you talking about kimbunga and big up interahamwe jmali..seriously?

 

[Eric Cartman]

Lol,first I thought this dude does make some sense ingawaje i didn't agree with you,lakini now you talking about kimbunga and big up interahamwe jmali..seriously?

Why shouldn't i give him his credits, he makes sense some tutsi's (not all), will always be part of the problem in Rwanda's politics. Tanzanians tend to champion integration as part of lasting solution, no wonder PK thinks by displaying a million skulls of so the called tutsi's will lead to sympathy and legitimize his lifetime plan on the presidential seat. Worst he has people penetrating other societies and posing as native to defend his stupidity.

Sasa we subiri 'operation kimbunga' uzuri wake tuna utaratibu wakuzikana vijijini makaburi yanaenda mbali sana i hope kwenu unakujua. Some tutsi's are a calamity to the future of the EAC block for those us who have good intentions on integration of the block including free movement of people.

Ni watu kama PK wenye kuwalisha ujinga wa ujanja ujanja mkajiona waelevu kumbe wajinga tu, nyie ndio mnazuia speed ya muungano wenye nia njema within the block, jamaa yenu inabidi aondoke tusonge mbele na safari ya ukweli, see ya in Jukwaa la siasa with ya majanga id ukiwa unachochea kuvunjika kwa muungano wa Tz, ill be there to defend that too.

 

[Ruzibiza]

Mkuu MGOSI132 napenda kukufahamisha kwamba hii thread ina maana,inaelimisha na kutujuza kinachoendela kwa jirani zetu Rwanda ambao Rais wao Kagame anazidi kuwamaliza makomredi waliomfikisha hapo alipofikia.Ni haki na ni vyema waTanzania wakamjua vizuri Kagame ambae alifikia hata kumtisha Rais wa JMT mchana kweupe.Ni kwanini tusimjadili huyu dicteta muuaji na mkabila mwenye nia mbaya ya kuisambaratisha EAC ?.

urafiki wa ki..se...ng kwenye serikali ndo inacost tz....kupigana pamoja haimaanishi ufanye mambo kinyume na maslahi ya nchi na wananchi kwa ujumla...hivo ndivo alivo kagame....hakupigana ili kutafuna nchi bali kuleta afueni najua kwenye masikio yako ni msamiati mgumu na mgeni sana....kwa sababu zenu zisizokuwa wazi najua hamtaelewa ila hiyo ndo reality...na kiongozi anafaa afanye hivo......Kagame ni mfano bora wa viongozi wa kiafrika na ni pan africanist wa ukweli....hana uarafiki na mwekezaji kutoka uraya,marekani,mention it kinachowaunganisha ni interest zao...ukizingua kesho airport nakuhusu....public services kama banks,hospitals,mitandao ya simu nk ili maradi unatoa huduma kwa raia una hatari kma huta-satisfy wateja wako...lesen yako itafutwa within no time kama hutakuwa mwepesi kuonyeka fine zitakuua....siyo mnyarwanda anapanga foleni bank masaa mara counter flani hakuna mhudumu au mhudumu yumo ila anafanya kazi zake....aisee kama we ndo manager ombudsman panakuhusu 100%utapgwa fain utamani kuacha business...kama ikatokea ajali sehemu yoyote ndani ya rwanda au hata nje ilimradi mnyarwanda ndo kazurika majeruhi wanafuatwa na helicopter na kama issue yoyote ikawareported police wakakawia kufika zaidi ya dk 30 mwanchi una haki ya kuwareport ombudsman kibarua cha huyo mkuu wa mahali hapo kinakuwa mashakani...hiyo ndo rwanda na zaidi....police anakupatia lift ukiingia kwenye gari anakupatia contact zote fire,emergency response nk na kukupatia shule jinsi ya kureport matukio na kukuasa kureport immediately pale unapoona hali flani si ya kawaida...nyei acheni bwana huo ni wivu wa kike rwanda ni noma

 

[Ruzibiza]

kuna sehemu umeona watajwa wamekanusha/?ah kumbe ni yule yule muuza unga?wewe sihangaiki na wewe huna akili

 

[Ruzibiza]

Mkuu mbona hapa bongo wamejaa? tena wengi hujiita kuwa wanatoka kigoma na ngara? we attend kwenye moja ya arusi ya mtutsi mmoja akioa ndo utalijua jiji, kama mchungaji mtikila alivyoandika andiko lake, hawa watu ni noma, wakipania kitu wanakipata, ikishindikana wanamtumia dada yao mtutsi umbo lake ukiliona utapenda lazima uingie 18m zao. We acha watanue wanajua kujipanga.

mtikila mwenda wazim ndo unatuleta hapa?hata wakijiita watu wa ngara uwezo wao utwatofautisha na wewe na hao wanyangara na waha lazima tu....

 

[Chiwaso]

Hii ndio jamii forum bwana unapata vitu ambavyo adimu.....haaa haaaa haaa viva Jf!!

I concurvwith you

 

[Chiwaso]

kwa taarifa yako watusi ni wahuni kupitiliza mmoja akiolewa kwenu tu familia yenu ni lazima ijae watusi kutoka rwanda na muda si mrefu wanaanza kuwabagua hata ulieoa

Mtemi milambo alifanya hilo kosa, mmoja wa wake zake wadogo, alikuwa mtusi. Ukienda tabora leo, kuna sehemu wamejaa inaitwa utusuni. Jamaa noma hao. Wanawake zao wazuri ila vimeo. Kuoa uoe wewr, mimba watie watusi wenzao. So kweli kweli

 

[Eric Cartman]

urafiki wa ki..se...ng kwenye serikali ndo inacost tz....kupigana pamoja haimaanishi ufanye mambo kinyume na maslahi ya nchi na wananchi kwa ujumla...hivo ndivo alivo kagame....hakupigana ili kutafuna nchi bali kuleta afueni najua kwenye masikio yako ni msamiati mgumu na mgeni sana....kwa sababu zenu zisizokuwa wazi najua hamtaelewa ila hiyo ndo reality...na kiongozi anafaa afanye hivo......Kagame ni mfano bora wa viongozi wa kiafrika na ni pan africanist wa ukweli....hana uarafiki na mwekezaji kutoka uraya,marekani,mention it kinachowaunganisha ni interest zao...ukizingua kesho airport nakuhusu....public services kama banks,hospitals,mitandao ya simu nk ili maradi unatoa huduma kwa raia una hatari kma huta-satisfy wateja wako...lesen yako itafutwa within no time kama hutakuwa mwepesi kuonyeka fine zitakuua....siyo mnyarwanda anapanga foleni bank masaa mara counter flani hakuna mhudumu au mhudumu yumo ila anafanya kazi zake....aisee kama we ndo manager ombudsman panakuhusu 100%utapgwa fain utamani kuacha business...kama ikatokea ajali sehemu yoyote ndani ya rwanda au hata nje ilimradi mnyarwanda ndo kazurika majeruhi wanafuatwa na helicopter na kama issue yoyote ikawareported police wakakawia kufika zaidi ya dk 30 mwanchi una haki ya kuwareport ombudsman kibarua cha huyo mkuu wa mahali hapo kinakuwa mashakani...hiyo ndo rwanda na zaidi....police anakupatia lift ukiingia kwenye gari anakupatia contact zote fire,emergency response nk na kukupatia shule jinsi ya kureport matukio na kukuasa kureport immediately pale unapoona hali flani si ya kawaida...nyei acheni bwana huo ni wivu wa kike rwanda ni noma

Uwaga mnafurahisha sana jinsi mnavyo msifia Kagame na maendeleo yenu (to some extent he deserves some of the accolades but realistically). Ukweli wenyewe ni kwamba Rwanda ni size ya mkoa mmoja mdogo sana ndani ya Tanzania na imekuwa ikipokea misaada sawa na nchi za Afrika from western doners if not more compared to many states.

Kwa maana hiyo hela inayoenda Rwanda inaweza stretch far quickly na mafanikio yakaonekana haraka tofauti na Tanzania kwenye population kubwa, size kubwa na changamoto kubwa including having enough man power to police the policies (ndio maana leo unaona watanzania wana waamsha viongozi wao huku chini wahusika wana haribu sera) our challenges are more than tutsi's vs hutu living in areas not the size of Dar-Es-Salaam, sort your problems they affect us with wakimbizi, wahamiaji haramu etc.

 

[Chiwaso]

tehe tehe. mkishikwa pabaya mnagawa uhutu, sishangai hata mmakonde salma kikwete kwenu mhutu, kisa mmewe kashauri mazungumzo na FDLR! Mi sio mhutu ila sina shida ukiinita hivyo, ugomvi utakuja ukiiniita mtutsi!

Teh teh teh. Nilikwenda kigali memorial center, nilichokuta pale ni habarinya wahutu kuwaua watutsi tu. Hakuna nyingine. Siku moja tulikuwa na seminar pale serena hotel ya dar, semina ilifanyika siku zile za makumbusho ya genocide ya rwanda. Mtusi mmoja akaomba tusumzmi kwa dakika moja tuwOmbee watustsi waliouawa na wahutu kwenye mauaji ya kimbali ya rwanda. Jamaa kwa propaganda ni kiboko. Siwapendi na wala sitaki kuwasikia. Pia ni wanafiki kinoma, hawawi marafiki zako mpaka wawe n jambo wanalitaka toka kwako, wakifanikiwa tu wanakumwaga. Noma