Uraia wa waTutsi !

Uraia wa waTutsi !

Lol,acha kujitia aibu,unajifanya everything expert kumbe hata 101 economics ni zero,and this kagame ,tutsi or rwanda blaming,accusations,lies and all these conspiracies haziwasaidii kitu tafuteni hobby kama Hamna cha kufanya,angalia jf international first page is full of topics bashing kagame or tutsi,seems kuna some obsession or mental issues going on for some of yo.
Koba kwenyu wapi acha kutuzuga mazee, hayo ya kuchukia tutsi na kagame hayanihusu, sijui mimi najua kila kitu (that is your opinion). Tunataka kujua kwenyu ​ni wapi: kivu, Kigali, bujumbura or is it somewhere kenya au uganda. Acha habari za yahaya kwenyu wapi bana.
 
Waliuana pande zote mbili. Watutsi wa RPF waliwaua wahutu wakiwemo marais wawili wahutu wa Rwanda na Burundi (habyarimana na ntaryamira) na upande wa wahutu waliwaua watutsi. Tofauti tu ni kwamba kwa vile watutsi walishika dola waliweza kuhadaa jumuia ya kimataifa na kuwafanya wahutu waonekane kama ndio walioua pekee wakati inasadika kuwa idadi ya wahatu waliouawa na watusi ni kubwa kuliko ile ya watusi iliyouawa na wahahutu.

Yani unadanganya kweupe?mauaji yalifanyika dunia yote ikiangalia,kweli interahamwe mmevamia jf.
 
Yani unadanganya kweupe?mauaji yalifanyika dunia yote ikiangalia,kweli interahamwe mmevamia jf.

Nini sababu ya serikali kukataa wahutu nao wasiomboleze ndugu zao waliokufa?
 
Yaani wewe! Hata sijui nikuiteje? Tuonyeshe tamko la serikali linalomzuia raia wowote kuombeleza vifo

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VICTOIRE INGABIRE'S SPEECH THAT GOT HER JAILED
"I would like to say that today, I came back to my country after 16 years, and there was a tragedy that took place in this country. We know very well that there was a genocide, extermination. Therefore, I could not have returned after 16 years to the same country after such actions took place. They took place when I was not in the country. I could not have fallen asleep without first passing by the place where those actions took place. I had to see the place. I had to visit the place.
"The flowers I brought with me are a sign of remembrance from the members of my party FDU and its executive committee. They gave me a message to pass by here and tell Rwandans that what we wish for is for us to work together, to make sure that such a tragedy will never take place again. That is one of the reasons why the FDU Party made a decision to return to the country peacefully, without resorting to violence. Some think that the solution to Rwanda's problems is to resort to armed struggle. We do not believe that shedding blood resolves problems. When you shed blood, the blood comes back to haunt you.

"Therefore, we in FDU wish that all we Rwandans can work together, join our different ideas so that the tragedy that befell our nation will never happen again. It is clear that the path of reconciliation has a long way to go. It has a long way to go because if you look at the number of people who died in this country, it is not something that you can get over quickly. But then again, if you look around you realize that there is no real political policy to help Rwandans achieve reconciliation. For example, if we look at this memorial, it only stops at people who died during the Tutsi genocide. It does not look at the other side – at the Hutus who died during the genocide. Hutus who lost their people are also sad and they think about their lost ones and wonder, ‘When will our dead ones be remembered?'

"For us to reach reconciliation, we need to empathize with everyone's sadness. It is necessary that for the Tutsis who were killed, those Hutus who killed them understand that they need to be punished for it. It is also necessary that for the Hutus who were killed, those people who killed them understand that they need to be punished for it too. Furthermore, it is important that all of us, Rwandans from different ethnic groups, understand that we need to unite, respect each other and build our country in peace.
"What brought us back to the country is for us to start that path of reconciliation together and find a way to stop injustices so that all of us Rwandans can live together with basic freedoms in our country."​
"I would like to say that today, I came back to my country after 16 years, and there was a tragedy that took place in this country. We know very well that there was a genocide, extermination. Therefore, I could not have returned after 16 years to the same country after such actions took place. They took place when I was not in the country. I could not have fallen asleep without first passing by the place where those actions took place. I had to see the place. I had to visit the place.
"The flowers I brought with me are a sign of remembrance from the members of my party FDU and its executive committee. They gave me a message to pass by here and tell Rwandans that what we wish for is for us to work together, to make sure that such a tragedy will never take place again. That is one of the reasons why the FDU Party made a decision to return to the country peacefully, without resorting to violence. Some think that the solution to Rwanda's problems is to resort to armed struggle. We do not believe that shedding blood resolves problems. When you shed blood, the blood comes back to haunt you.

"Therefore, we in FDU wish that all we Rwandans can work together, join our different ideas so that the tragedy that befell our nation will never happen again. It is clear that the path of reconciliation has a long way to go. It has a long way to go because if you look at the number of people who died in this country, it is not something that you can get over quickly. But then again, if you look around you realize that there is no real political policy to help Rwandans achieve reconciliation. For example, if we look at this memorial, it only stops at people who died during the Tutsi genocide. It does not look at the other side – at the Hutus who died during the genocide. Hutus who lost their people are also sad and they think about their lost ones and wonder, ‘When will our dead ones be remembered?'

"For us to reach reconciliation, we need to empathize with everyone's sadness. It is necessary that for the Tutsis who were killed, those Hutus who killed them understand that they need to be punished for it. It is also necessary that for the Hutus who were killed, those people who killed them understand that they need to be punished for it too. Furthermore, it is important that all of us, Rwandans from different ethnic groups, understand that we need to unite, respect each other and build our country in peace.
"What brought us back to the country is for us to start that path of reconciliation together and find a way to stop injustices so that all of us Rwandans can live together with basic freedoms in our country."

source: which part of victoire ingabire's speech is evidence of divisionism?


Speech crime


The lower court also upheld Victoire Ingabire's conviction for several speech crimes.


1)"Spreading false rumors" intended to incite the public to rise up against the state.
Enough said, I hope, for anyone who believes in free speech. Or anyone who understands that Rwanda is an authoritarian spy state that has engaged in a war of aggression in neighboring Congo for nearly 20 years.
2) "Minimizing" the 1994 Rwandan Genocide.

"The history of the Rwandan Genocide, codified in Rwanda's Constitution, is that it was only Hutu extremists' "Genocide Against the Tutsi."

Before she went to prison, Victoire told KPFA listeners," My party and I have never denied the genocide, by the UN understanding, because the Resolution 955 from UN says that in Rwanda was genocide against the people of Rwanda...

It's difficult to rationally argue with this, because the 1991 Rwandan census, as documented by Ed Herman and David Peterson in The Politics of Genocide, reported a Rwandan population of 7,590,235, including 645,170 Tutsis, more than 300,000 fewer than the million Tutsis commonly reported to have died in the genocide. And because Ibuka, Rwanda's Tutsi genocide survivors group, has claimed that some 300,000 of these 645,170 Tutsis survived. President Kagame would therefore seem to have a lot of bones on display in his genocide memorial sites that he can't properly account for as the result of his Constitutionally codified "Genocide Against the Tutsi."
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"I am from Kiyombe in Byumba. RPF [Rwandan Patriotic Front] came in 1991 and called all the people from our village for a security meeting. After people had gathered at the soccer pitch of Kiyombe, Mr. Hitler Kagame ordered his military to bomb the gathering. I escaped and went through the tea plantation and found my way to Uganda. Ever since I have never returned to Rwanda but I am still considered a genocide denier or genocidaire. Why? Simply because I am a Hutu and I don't even have rights to go back to Rwanda and bury my family and relatives in dignity. Do you know how old I was then? Just 16. I survived but it is me and me alone."


After reading that, I turned to maps and found Kiyombe and Byumba, near the Ugandan border which the RPF, led by General Paul Kagame, had crossed in 1990. And, which this young man then crossed all alone a year later, running in the other direction as a refugee.I also found the tea plantation that he said he had escaped through, and the tea processing plant nearby.

source: Global research.ca-victoire ingabire.



 
Victorious-Victoire.jpg



VICTOIRE INGABIRE'S SPEECH THAT GOT HER JAILED
“I would like to say that today, I came back to my country after 16 years, and there was a tragedy that took place in this country. We know very well that there was a genocide, extermination. Therefore, I could not have returned after 16 years to the same country after such actions took place. They took place when I was not in the country. I could not have fallen asleep without first passing by the place where those actions took place. I had to see the place. I had to visit the place.
“The flowers I brought with me are a sign of remembrance from the members of my party FDU and its executive committee. They gave me a message to pass by here and tell Rwandans that what we wish for is for us to work together, to make sure that such a tragedy will never take place again. That is one of the reasons why the FDU Party made a decision to return to the country peacefully, without resorting to violence. Some think that the solution to Rwanda’s problems is to resort to armed struggle. We do not believe that shedding blood resolves problems. When you shed blood, the blood comes back to haunt you.

“Therefore, we in FDU wish that all we Rwandans can work together, join our different ideas so that the tragedy that befell our nation will never happen again. It is clear that the path of reconciliation has a long way to go. It has a long way to go because if you look at the number of people who died in this country, it is not something that you can get over quickly. But then again, if you look around you realize that there is no real political policy to help Rwandans achieve reconciliation. For example, if we look at this memorial, it only stops at people who died during the Tutsi genocide. It does not look at the other side – at the Hutus who died during the genocide. Hutus who lost their people are also sad and they think about their lost ones and wonder, ‘When will our dead ones be remembered?’

“For us to reach reconciliation, we need to empathize with everyone’s sadness. It is necessary that for the Tutsis who were killed, those Hutus who killed them understand that they need to be punished for it. It is also necessary that for the Hutus who were killed, those people who killed them understand that they need to be punished for it too. Furthermore, it is important that all of us, Rwandans from different ethnic groups, understand that we need to unite, respect each other and build our country in peace.
“What brought us back to the country is for us to start that path of reconciliation together and find a way to stop injustices so that all of us Rwandans can live together with basic freedoms in our country.”​
“I would like to say that today, I came back to my country after 16 years, and there was a tragedy that took place in this country. We know very well that there was a genocide, extermination. Therefore, I could not have returned after 16 years to the same country after such actions took place. They took place when I was not in the country. I could not have fallen asleep without first passing by the place where those actions took place. I had to see the place. I had to visit the place.
“The flowers I brought with me are a sign of remembrance from the members of my party FDU and its executive committee. They gave me a message to pass by here and tell Rwandans that what we wish for is for us to work together, to make sure that such a tragedy will never take place again. That is one of the reasons why the FDU Party made a decision to return to the country peacefully, without resorting to violence. Some think that the solution to Rwanda’s problems is to resort to armed struggle. We do not believe that shedding blood resolves problems. When you shed blood, the blood comes back to haunt you.

“Therefore, we in FDU wish that all we Rwandans can work together, join our different ideas so that the tragedy that befell our nation will never happen again. It is clear that the path of reconciliation has a long way to go. It has a long way to go because if you look at the number of people who died in this country, it is not something that you can get over quickly. But then again, if you look around you realize that there is no real political policy to help Rwandans achieve reconciliation. For example, if we look at this memorial, it only stops at people who died during the Tutsi genocide. It does not look at the other side – at the Hutus who died during the genocide. Hutus who lost their people are also sad and they think about their lost ones and wonder, ‘When will our dead ones be remembered?’

“For us to reach reconciliation, we need to empathize with everyone’s sadness. It is necessary that for the Tutsis who were killed, those Hutus who killed them understand that they need to be punished for it. It is also necessary that for the Hutus who were killed, those people who killed them understand that they need to be punished for it too. Furthermore, it is important that all of us, Rwandans from different ethnic groups, understand that we need to unite, respect each other and build our country in peace.
“What brought us back to the country is for us to start that path of reconciliation together and find a way to stop injustices so that all of us Rwandans can live together with basic freedoms in our country.”

source: which part of victoire ingabire's speech is evidence of divisionism?


Speech crime


The lower court also upheld Victoire Ingabire’s conviction for several speech crimes.


1)“Spreading false rumors” intended to incite the public to rise up against the state.
Enough said, I hope, for anyone who believes in free speech. Or anyone who understands that Rwanda is an authoritarian spy state that has engaged in a war of aggression in neighboring Congo for nearly 20 years.
2) “Minimizing” the 1994 Rwandan Genocide.

"The history of the Rwandan Genocide, codified in Rwanda’s Constitution, is that it was only Hutu extremists’ “Genocide Against the Tutsi.”

Before she went to prison, Victoire told KPFA listeners,“ My party and I have never denied the genocide, by the UN understanding, because the Resolution 955 from UN says that in Rwanda was genocide against the people of Rwanda...

It’s difficult to rationally argue with this, because the 1991 Rwandan census, as documented by Ed Herman and David Peterson in The Politics of Genocide, reported a Rwandan population of 7,590,235, including 645,170 Tutsis, more than 300,000 fewer than the million Tutsis commonly reported to have died in the genocide. And because Ibuka, Rwanda’s Tutsi genocide survivors group, has claimed that some 300,000 of these 645,170 Tutsis survived. President Kagame would therefore seem to have a lot of bones on display in his genocide memorial sites that he can’t properly account for as the result of his Constitutionally codified “Genocide Against the Tutsi.”
-------------------------------------------------

“I am from Kiyombe in Byumba. RPF [Rwandan Patriotic Front] came in 1991 and called all the people from our village for a security meeting. After people had gathered at the soccer pitch of Kiyombe, Mr. Hitler Kagame ordered his military to bomb the gathering. I escaped and went through the tea plantation and found my way to Uganda. Ever since I have never returned to Rwanda but I am still considered a genocide denier or genocidaire. Why? Simply because I am a Hutu and I don’t even have rights to go back to Rwanda and bury my family and relatives in dignity. Do you know how old I was then? Just 16. I survived but it is me and me alone.”


After reading that, I turned to maps and found Kiyombe and Byumba, near the Ugandan border which the RPF, led by General Paul Kagame, had crossed in 1990. And, which this young man then crossed all alone a year later, running in the other direction as a refugee.I also found the tea plantation that he said he had escaped through, and the tea processing plant nearby.

source: Global research.ca-victoire ingabire.




Source😛roxy lake; are you serious?hiyo ni source huru na ya kuamunika kwako?no wonder unakuja na thread kama hii
 
Source😛roxy lake; are you serious?hiyo ni source huru na ya kuamunika kwako?no wonder unakuja na thread kama hii

tatizo lako nini hasa? how is proxylake biased here? sija-quote maoni wala mtazamo wa proxylake, nime-qoute a public speech. kwani hii speech imekuwa edited in any way? onyesha how hii speech inakuwa affected na proxylake sio unaleta blah blah! wapi ambapo kuna speech tofauti na hii? speech gani nyingine ambayo serikali yenu ilipeleka mahakamani tofauti na hii?

Btw, theproxlake.com ni chanzo huru na cha haki ndio maana ninaweka source bila wasiwasi, sio kama nyinyi mnapo-quote habari za new times mnajifanya kusahau kuweka source, kwa sababu nafsi zenu zinawasuta!
 
tatizo lako nini hasa? how is proxylake biased here? sija-quote maoni wala mtazamo wa proxylake, nime-qoute a public speech. kwani hii speech imekuwa edited in any way? onyesha how hii speech inakuwa affected na proxylake sio unaleta blah blah! wapi ambapo kuna speech tofauti na hii? speech gani nyingine ambayo serikali yenu ilipeleka mahakamani tofauti na hii?

Easy mkuu...easy,hakuna haja ya kupanic,kinachojadiliwa ni taarifa ya serikali ya kukataza wahutu kukumbukwa,ilete kama unayo kutoka source huru na ya kuaminika that is all
 
Easy mkuu...easy,hakuna haja ya kupanic,kinachojadiliwa ni taarifa ya serikali ya kukataza wahutu kukumbukwa,ilete kama unayo kutoka source huru na ya kuaminika that is all

ukimfunga mtu kwa speech hiyo inayodai "‘When will our dead ones be remembered?'", hujakataza?
 
Lol,acha kujitia aibu,unajifanya everything expert kumbe hata 101 economics ni zero,and this kagame ,tutsi or rwanda blaming,accusations,lies and all these conspiracies haziwasaidii kitu tafuteni hobby kama Hamna cha kufanya,angalia jf international first page is full of topics bashing kagame or tutsi,seems kuna some obsession or mental issues going on for some of yo.

Ha ha Koba mjua vyote.
 
Source😛roxy lake; are you serious?hiyo ni source huru na ya kuamunika kwako?no wonder unakuja na thread kama hii

Mkuu, nakwambia huyu jamaa anachekesha sana. Ameimba wimbo wa "independent media" weee..halafu anatuletea some source eti proxylake ambayo inajulikana kabisa waanzilishi wake ni dubious halafu anataka watu wamchukulie kama mtu serious. Jmali...you are a joke.
 
ukimfunga mtu kwa speech hiyo inayodai "‘When will our dead ones be remembered?'", hujakataza?

Jocker. Kadri siku zinavyoenda ndivyo unavyoendelea kunidhihirishia one thing. you are under the payroll of the FDLR. and if you are not, then i advice you to request that they pay you because unawafanyia kazi nzuri sana ijapokuwa haisaidii chochote in the greater scheme of things vis a vis the peace and stability of the GREAT LAKE REGION
 
Mkuu, nakwambia huyu jamaa anachekesha sana. Ameimba wimbo wa "independent media" weee..halafu anatuletea some source eti proxylake ambayo inajulikana kabisa waanzilishi wake ni dubious halafu anataka watu wamchukulie kama mtu serious. Jmali...you are a joke.

Thibitisheni udubious wa proxylake. Mfano: Newtimes haiwezi kuwa huru kwa sababu inamilikiwa na serikali ya Rwanda, kama ambavyo TBC inamilikiwa na serikali ya TZ. Sasa tuje proxylake, ni kitu gani hasa kinachowafanya mseme hiki sio chanzo halali?
Na zaidi ya yote mbona hampingi facts ambazo zinatoka huko proxylake kwa facts zenu 'za ukweli' mnaishia kuita watu interahamwe na FDLR tu?
 
Jocker. Kadri siku zinavyoenda ndivyo unavyoendelea kunidhihirishia one thing. you are under the payroll of the FDLR. and if you are not, then i advice you to request that they pay you because unawafanyia kazi nzuri sana ijapokuwa haisaidii chochote in the greater scheme of things vis a vis the peace and stability of the GREAT LAKE REGION

Kisingizio cha FDLR kimeshapitwa na wakati. Badilikeni kidogo. FDLR ninaowajua mimi ni maskini wa kutupwa wako maporini, hata bunduki zao ni zile zile za 94, UN yenyewe inathibitisha kuwa wengi wa FDLR ni vijana ambao walikuwa wadogo mno mwaka 94 kushiriki 'genocide', wanawake na watoto. Hawa watu wanapata wapi resources za kunilipa mimi nikae mtandaoni kama nyinyi mnavyolipwa na RPF? wanapata wapi hela za kuwalipa waandishi kama nyinyi na Andrew Mwenda mnavyolipwa na RPF?
Tafuteni angalau propaganda credible!
 
Ingabire alikuwa accused of collaborating with negative forces that was throwing grenades in Kigali,prosecution showed evidences sijui kwanini jmali anaskip hii
 
Ingabire alikuwa accused of collaborating with negative forces that was throwing grenades in Kigali,prosecution showed evidences sijui kwanini jmali anaskip hii

Kwani mjadala ni kesi nzima ya ingabire au specific charges related to genocide? Kama hapo kwenye genocide mmeshashindwa, basi mseme ili nianzishe thread nyingine tujadili the entire case!

The opposition leader, Victoire Ingabire, had faced six charges and was found guilty of two: conspiring to harm the country through war and terror, and minimizing the 1994 genocide that tore apart the nation. source: The NY times.

Hebu explain hapo kwenye bold! maana yake nini, na kwa nini speech yake ilihusika kwa maoni yako. kwa maoni ya BBC ni haya:

"She is a Hutu and has questioned why the official memorial to the 1994 genocide does not include any Hutus." source: BBC world Africa.

Again, kama unataka tujadili kesi nzima ya ingabire you are welcome lakini kwanza tujadili hili la kushtakiwa kwa sababu ya speech.
 
Kwani mjadala ni kesi nzima ya ingabire au specific charges related to genocide? Kama hapo kwenye genocide mmeshashindwa, basi mseme ili nianzishe thread nyingine tujadili the entire case!

The opposition leader, Victoire Ingabire, had faced six charges and was found guilty of two: conspiring to harm the country through war and terror, and minimizing the 1994 genocide that tore apart the nation. source: The NY times.

Hebu explain hapo kwenye bold! maana yake nini, na kwa nini speech yake ilihusika kwa maoni yako. kwa maoni ya BBC ni haya:

"She is a Hutu and has questioned why the official memorial to the 1994 genocide does not include any Hutus." source: BBC world Africa.

Again, kama unataka tujadili kesi nzima ya ingabire you are welcome lakini kwanza tujadili hili la kushtakiwa kwa sababu ya speech.
Nakushauri achana na politiki zako za hutu vs tutsi,unajifanya unawatetea wahutu lakini nina uhakika ukienda rwanda ukaleta story zako unazoleta humu wahutu wenyewe watakuchukia na utakuwa na bahati sana ukitoka salama stop tafadhari.
 
Nakushauri achana na politiki zako za hutu vs tutsi,unajifanya unawatetea wahutu lakini nina uhakika ukienda rwanda ukaleta story zako unazoleta humu wahutu wenyewe watakuchukia na utakuwa na bahati sana ukitoka salama stop tafadhari.

hakuna hutu vs tutsi, there has never been such a thing. Only the people vs some tutsi (kagame+RPF). Siasa za kibaguzi za RPF ndizo zinazoleta Hutu vs tutsi, empire building program ya Kagame anayofanya Congo via M23 nayo tayari imeshaleta Congolese vs Tutsi, so you see tatizo liko wapi.
 
Ingabire alikuwa accused of collaborating with negative forces that was throwing grenades in Kigali,prosecution showed evidences sijui kwanini jmali anaskip hii

Huyu jamaa atakuwa chongo. Anaangalia kwa jicho moja tu. He wants us to believe that his main source of information theproxylake.com ni "independent media"...Please spare us the ----.
 
There was no Genocide against Hutu, the world knows about Genocide committed against Tutsi, crimes or other killings done should be differentiated from Genocide:
Diverting the definition of Genocide and the reality of what happened in Rwanda, is punishable by Rwandan laws:
Kusema kuwa Genocide ilikuwa against Tutsi, haizuii serikali kumkumbuka Prime Minister Agatha Uwilingiyimana (mhutu) aliyeuawa kipindi cha Genocide just because she opposed the Genocidal regime, pia haizuii watu kukumbuka familia zao zilizo kufa kwenye mapigano iwe wa Tutsi waliokufa wakiwa vitani,au wanajeshi waserikali ya zamani waliokufa wakiwa vitani, lakini vifo vyao haviitwi Genocide:
 
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