Liverpool FC (The Reds) | Special Thread
Liverpool FC (The Reds) | Special Thread
kurlzawa
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A matter of time
MosDef
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The Blame-Game.
After VVD & Gomez injuries, every LFC fan with a little bit of sense, alitakiwa kujua kuwa huu utakuwa ni msimu mgumu sana, forget about Gomez, VVD ndiye alikuwa pillar/leader/organizer wa team, so kuumia kwake ni lazima kungeleta changamoto kwenye team in the long run, Yes, Gomez wouldve helped kipindi hiki, but kwa bahati mbaya nae hayupo, and Matip is struggling with injuries.
I have said and i will continue to say kuwa VVD & Gomez injury, imeharibu kila kitu kwenye team, because hatuna fit CBs and we're FORCED to play our best & most important MF kwenye eneo la backline, sasa instead of moaning like little kids, ni muhimu sana kuzingatia hizi gaps.
So who is to BLAME? klopp? NO, FSG? YES.
Why FSG?
FSG ni very tight owners, and there is no doubt we as a CLUB have become bigger than them, they cant handle us, and its a fact that, they got lucky with KLOPP, hakuna manager mwingine ambaye angeweza kufanya alichofanya Klopp at LFC chini ya KLOPP, a year back, i wrote a thread hapa kuhusu suala la sustained development and i called out Klopp for being a sheep kwa hawa FSG, i called him out kwa kutaka kubeba blame kila FSG wanapofanya blunder, and i called him out kwa kutaka kuaminisha watu kuwa he can work katika mazingira magumu kweye modern football world, but as always nilikuwa attacked & abused, but now it came back to bite Klopp's "arse", when you have bad owners like FSG you need to be demanding, nili-share huko nyuma the way these yanks runs this Club, but kwa tulikofikia sasa, that model needs to change, tumefika kwenye kiwango cha ku-attract world class players (Thiago & Co..), lakini bado tunaabudu the same model because owners wameigeuza club kama sehem ya kuvuna pesa bila actual returns, Club yeyote serious na yenye ambtion ni lazima ingenunua Centre Back this January, but visingizio vimekuwa ni COVID, and Klopp & Edwards are forced to sell first ili kupata pesa ya CB, this is a title winning team, most attaractive team in the world like now, why cant we do business without selling first?, You see, nilisema kuwa suala la Klopp kujifanya ni miracle worker na ku-take the bullet kwaajili ya FSG kutakuja kum-cost, and now kipindi ambacho anataka ku-cement LFC kwenye mafanikio endelevu, these owners are refusing to back him, (and i'm told he's furious & dissapointed).
Title winning team, ili-field its 2 starting MFs kwenye CB position against Utd, and kuna fans bado hawaoni kwamba hili janga kubwa, na isitoshe FSG wanaona kama ni kitu cha kawaida, we're in crisis na kama tusiporeact quick and better, itakuwa ni downhill from here on, unless Matip stays fit for the rest of the season, and most of all Fabinho asipate injury yeyote ile, because kama akipata injury we wont make top 4.
And, you're a fool if you think Klopp hataki CB this January.
After VVD & Gomez injuries, every LFC fan with a little bit of sense, alitakiwa kujua kuwa huu utakuwa ni msimu mgumu sana, forget about Gomez, VVD ndiye alikuwa pillar/leader/organizer wa team, so kuumia kwake ni lazima kungeleta changamoto kwenye team in the long run, Yes, Gomez wouldve helped kipindi hiki, but kwa bahati mbaya nae hayupo, and Matip is struggling with injuries.
I have said and i will continue to say kuwa VVD & Gomez injury, imeharibu kila kitu kwenye team, because hatuna fit CBs and we're FORCED to play our best & most important MF kwenye eneo la backline, sasa instead of moaning like little kids, ni muhimu sana kuzingatia hizi gaps.
So who is to BLAME? klopp? NO, FSG? YES.
Why FSG?
FSG ni very tight owners, and there is no doubt we as a CLUB have become bigger than them, they cant handle us, and its a fact that, they got lucky with KLOPP, hakuna manager mwingine ambaye angeweza kufanya alichofanya Klopp at LFC chini ya KLOPP, a year back, i wrote a thread hapa kuhusu suala la sustained development and i called out Klopp for being a sheep kwa hawa FSG, i called him out kwa kutaka kubeba blame kila FSG wanapofanya blunder, and i called him out kwa kutaka kuaminisha watu kuwa he can work katika mazingira magumu kweye modern football world, but as always nilikuwa attacked & abused, but now it came back to bite Klopp's "arse", when you have bad owners like FSG you need to be demanding, nili-share huko nyuma the way these yanks runs this Club, but kwa tulikofikia sasa, that model needs to change, tumefika kwenye kiwango cha ku-attract world class players (Thiago & Co..), lakini bado tunaabudu the same model because owners wameigeuza club kama sehem ya kuvuna pesa bila actual returns, Club yeyote serious na yenye ambtion ni lazima ingenunua Centre Back this January, but visingizio vimekuwa ni COVID, and Klopp & Edwards are forced to sell first ili kupata pesa ya CB, this is a title winning team, most attaractive team in the world like now, why cant we do business without selling first?, You see, nilisema kuwa suala la Klopp kujifanya ni miracle worker na ku-take the bullet kwaajili ya FSG kutakuja kum-cost, and now kipindi ambacho anataka ku-cement LFC kwenye mafanikio endelevu, these owners are refusing to back him, (and i'm told he's furious & dissapointed).
Title winning team, ili-field its 2 starting MFs kwenye CB position against Utd, and kuna fans bado hawaoni kwamba hili janga kubwa, na isitoshe FSG wanaona kama ni kitu cha kawaida, we're in crisis na kama tusiporeact quick and better, itakuwa ni downhill from here on, unless Matip stays fit for the rest of the season, and most of all Fabinho asipate injury yeyote ile, because kama akipata injury we wont make top 4.
And, you're a fool if you think Klopp hataki CB this January.
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FSG been trying to sell some stake to Moneyball guys and if that deal can go through thier riches will tripple to around £8b man... If that figure can be arrived i can see easily Mbappe arriving..
In the meantime we stay put as wait Edwards miracles before the January window is shut...
Who to score our resurgence goal vs Burnley?? Hahaha i can see Mane scoring
YNWA
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Man FSG are damn weird owners yaaani this guys even had the chest to furlough the workers even before covid effects chewed thier chums.. Worse enough the club has been on sound finance ground in long time making profits and yet in the fast chance that arrived they saw saving money versus all the workers that make this Liverpool club an envy of many.....
If you look at what cash Manchester City have used in thier Defence above £300m since 2015 you will understand without a proper CB there is no EPL... We have been there before VVD came.. We struggled and failed miserably and after sorting the defence we conquered all the major trophies at club level UCL, Super Cup, Club world Cup and EPL trophy after 30 years of trying lol whats a shame that whats has brought us all this success can't be purchased just because we dont have any major player to sell to finance that kind of deal... Shame on FSG depending on Edwards the messiah to do miracles and pull us out of this mess... Well we are in for a shock very few days remaining and though Edwards prefer to work behind the scenes gossip has its he will wait to June 2021 to decide on the next investment on the defense lol i hope its fake gossip...
We have been mentioned to have interest on Torino centre-back Gleison Bremer in the January transfer window but yet might not see the this happening, this boy stat and his age surely fit Klopp Rebuilding plans.. Even his wages and price wont be a major hindrance plus he will take Lovren spot since this kids in Rys and Nats aint EPL winning team material yet...
There is also Elder Militao whose stat are well known and he is available for loan now to buy latter.. Still FSG playing cat and mouse games with thier plans expecting Klopp effects to carry us through this crisis...
Lacking Fabinho at the MF is catastrophic just like Manchester City crumbled without Fernadinho last season we are heading the same route at a very high speed...
We have never been best to unlock deep lying teams we lack those players or whom we have are mostly injured... We thrive under quick attacks catching the opposition before they resemble thier defence plan that whats has won us all that we have... This now is no longer possible because we lack Fabby and the one deputising are not at par with his progressive passes going forward...
On VVD man this a major blow perhaps than we even anticipated.. We have won EPL highest number or corners but the number of goals we have scored aint matching those corners.. Last season VVD was scoring very important goals from corners but now they aint coming.. Even Chelsea with slightly few corners surpass us on goals scored...
Klopp has a lot to do to at least gets a top 4 finish... Without Matip being fully fit i cant see how we get the points needed to sustain our course...
I suggest once Matip is fit he be joined by Nats or Rhys at the CB and let Fabinho slot back to DM slot to bring some sanity at the center park...
YNWA
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We are not scoring goals, so its that time of the year again ambapo LFC fans wanaanza kutafuta Villains, but kama kawaida Villains huwa wanakuwa ni our front-3, sanasana Mane & Salah.
Personally, huwa nazingatia sana tactical side before i call out a player, 18/19 i got abuses for saying Henderson was not good as a 6 in 433, but later Klopp was quoted saying he made a mistake playing him as a 6 (in a 433), na ndiyo maana Fabinho alivyoumia he switched to 3-4-3 to accomodate Henderson as a 6, and it paid off, but msimu huu baada ya Fabinho kwenda kwenye CB role, Klopp had to play Henderson as a 6 kwenye 433 and we all know the story, especially the last 4-5 (kabla ya Utd), na sababu ya Klopp kubaki na 433 ni kulinda backline as we dont have an actual & strong back line pairing.
Football is about formations/system & shapes, in our case, after the VVD & Gomez injuries, Klopp had to change our whole shape, ili ku-protect the backline, Fabinho ni natural DM, so he needs a lot of cover as a CB, and kwasasa ndiyo our most reliable "CB" kwasababu ya his fitness, we cant rely on Matip (injury prone) kids like Rhys & Nat, so backline yetu haipo strong, inahitaji a LOT of cover, thats why tumekuwa na record nzuri kidogo, ukizingatia kuwa our 2 starting CBs are all out injured.
Now, we defend from deep by recycling the ball and hold endless possessions, our form of defending ni ku-hold possession, and recycle the ball in our midfield area through Wijaldum + Henderson, wakati VVD & Gomez wapo, our fullbacks were overlapping and move forward at will bacause VVD & Gomez pace ilikuwa enough ku-cover spaces and void kwenye 2nd phases (outside our box in wide areas/flanks), but now we have Fabinho who is not quick and not a natural DM, and Matip who is slow too, Nat & Rhys are so slow too, so siyo rahisi sana ku-react na counters/quick passes between the lines kwenye High line defensive shape ambayo suprisingly bado tunaendelea nayo, and thats why Trent & Robbo are limited to bomb forward, our MF is instructed to hold on possession and progress the ball upront through the line pale front-3 itakapokuwa imefunguka (ambapo Gini+Hendo can hold possession but hawana tactical ability ya ku-move the ball foward through dribbling & run into the attacking spaces with short 1 2's with our front 3, mwenye uwezo wa kufanya hivyo is made of Guinean biscuit), so knowing kuwa Hendo+Gini and a featured Curtis hawana uwezo wa kufanya quick transition, the front-3 are instructed to drop into our 2nd phase kabisa kutafuta mipira (Firmino, especially), BUT, risky ni kuwa kama unakuwa unakaa sana mpira (which is good kama hauna defense nzuri) unakuwa unampa adui nafasi ya ku-retrieve attacking lines/patterns zote na attackers wanakuwa so easy kuwa marked, especially kama MFs wako hawana uwezo wa kucheza short line breaking passes/through ball or run/force to enter into their 2nd phase with the ball, so sisi tunatumia sana FBs kutengeneza nafasi, but now ni ngumu because they cant overlap kiurahisi because wakipoteza mipira half-way inakuwa ngumu kwa kina Fabinho ku-recover because hawana pace, anaglia goal la Aston Villa, and watch how slow Rhys was, thats why Klopp anakabia sana chini na kumiliki mpira huku akitafuta nafasi za kupitisha mipira, sasa kwa mtindo huu, usitegemee a LOT of chances, hatuwezi kutengeneza chances nyingi kwa ku-recycle mpira kwenye half yetu zaidi, front-3 wanakosa services, and by the time wanapata mipira tayari wanakuwa marked, yaani unakuta Robbo akifanikiwa kufanya timed overlap na kutoa mpira kwa Mane, Mane anakuwa tayari yuko marked na 4-5 players (See the diagram/picture below), maana inakuwa rahisi sana kwa opponents kuji-switch into our channels, as we dont move the ball quick & faster, which makes us so predicatable hence inakuwa easy sana kuwa marked.
Kwasasa, tunatengeneza CHANCES chache sana, and nasema kila siku kama unatengeneza CHANCES chache, basi ratio ya goals inakuwa ndogo sana, mpira huwa unaanzia nyuma, sasa kama ukifika kwenye central area tunajaribu kutulia nao ili kutafuta space bila ku-take risks ili tusipoteze mipira inakuwa ngumu sana ku-create nafasi za magoal, na front-3 wasiposhuka chini kwenye central areas kuomba mipira wanakuwa isolated, goals lazima ziwe chache sana kwasasa.
Then, tunasahau kuwa Klopp amewarun hawa jamaa kwenye ground for 3 straight years, na miezi 17-20 iliyopita ndiyo ilikuwa balaa zaidi (especially Firmino, ambaye naweza kusema amefikia mwisho, mentally), haya mambo tuliyasema tangu 18/19, and now fatigue ime-kick in, they will recover but it will take time, Trent pia ana-suffer na tiredness, it took City's player a year to recover from a long fatigue baada ya ku-collect 198 points in 2 seasons, sisi tuli-collect 196 points in 2 seasons playing at our highest level, so fatigue ilikuwa lazima, so wakati tunatafuta villains tunatakiwa kujua kuwa these players are not robots.
I support this new Klopp's shape & system, as much as i want goals, but leaking goals for fun shouldnt be an option, goals will come, Jota will be back soon, THIAGO ndiyo kwanza ameanza, so tusubiri kuona atatusaidia vipi once akisha-settle.
Still a LONG way to GO.
Personally, huwa nazingatia sana tactical side before i call out a player, 18/19 i got abuses for saying Henderson was not good as a 6 in 433, but later Klopp was quoted saying he made a mistake playing him as a 6 (in a 433), na ndiyo maana Fabinho alivyoumia he switched to 3-4-3 to accomodate Henderson as a 6, and it paid off, but msimu huu baada ya Fabinho kwenda kwenye CB role, Klopp had to play Henderson as a 6 kwenye 433 and we all know the story, especially the last 4-5 (kabla ya Utd), na sababu ya Klopp kubaki na 433 ni kulinda backline as we dont have an actual & strong back line pairing.
Football is about formations/system & shapes, in our case, after the VVD & Gomez injuries, Klopp had to change our whole shape, ili ku-protect the backline, Fabinho ni natural DM, so he needs a lot of cover as a CB, and kwasasa ndiyo our most reliable "CB" kwasababu ya his fitness, we cant rely on Matip (injury prone) kids like Rhys & Nat, so backline yetu haipo strong, inahitaji a LOT of cover, thats why tumekuwa na record nzuri kidogo, ukizingatia kuwa our 2 starting CBs are all out injured.
Now, we defend from deep by recycling the ball and hold endless possessions, our form of defending ni ku-hold possession, and recycle the ball in our midfield area through Wijaldum + Henderson, wakati VVD & Gomez wapo, our fullbacks were overlapping and move forward at will bacause VVD & Gomez pace ilikuwa enough ku-cover spaces and void kwenye 2nd phases (outside our box in wide areas/flanks), but now we have Fabinho who is not quick and not a natural DM, and Matip who is slow too, Nat & Rhys are so slow too, so siyo rahisi sana ku-react na counters/quick passes between the lines kwenye High line defensive shape ambayo suprisingly bado tunaendelea nayo, and thats why Trent & Robbo are limited to bomb forward, our MF is instructed to hold on possession and progress the ball upront through the line pale front-3 itakapokuwa imefunguka (ambapo Gini+Hendo can hold possession but hawana tactical ability ya ku-move the ball foward through dribbling & run into the attacking spaces with short 1 2's with our front 3, mwenye uwezo wa kufanya hivyo is made of Guinean biscuit), so knowing kuwa Hendo+Gini and a featured Curtis hawana uwezo wa kufanya quick transition, the front-3 are instructed to drop into our 2nd phase kabisa kutafuta mipira (Firmino, especially), BUT, risky ni kuwa kama unakuwa unakaa sana mpira (which is good kama hauna defense nzuri) unakuwa unampa adui nafasi ya ku-retrieve attacking lines/patterns zote na attackers wanakuwa so easy kuwa marked, especially kama MFs wako hawana uwezo wa kucheza short line breaking passes/through ball or run/force to enter into their 2nd phase with the ball, so sisi tunatumia sana FBs kutengeneza nafasi, but now ni ngumu because they cant overlap kiurahisi because wakipoteza mipira half-way inakuwa ngumu kwa kina Fabinho ku-recover because hawana pace, anaglia goal la Aston Villa, and watch how slow Rhys was, thats why Klopp anakabia sana chini na kumiliki mpira huku akitafuta nafasi za kupitisha mipira, sasa kwa mtindo huu, usitegemee a LOT of chances, hatuwezi kutengeneza chances nyingi kwa ku-recycle mpira kwenye half yetu zaidi, front-3 wanakosa services, and by the time wanapata mipira tayari wanakuwa marked, yaani unakuta Robbo akifanikiwa kufanya timed overlap na kutoa mpira kwa Mane, Mane anakuwa tayari yuko marked na 4-5 players (See the diagram/picture below), maana inakuwa rahisi sana kwa opponents kuji-switch into our channels, as we dont move the ball quick & faster, which makes us so predicatable hence inakuwa easy sana kuwa marked.
Kwasasa, tunatengeneza CHANCES chache sana, and nasema kila siku kama unatengeneza CHANCES chache, basi ratio ya goals inakuwa ndogo sana, mpira huwa unaanzia nyuma, sasa kama ukifika kwenye central area tunajaribu kutulia nao ili kutafuta space bila ku-take risks ili tusipoteze mipira inakuwa ngumu sana ku-create nafasi za magoal, na front-3 wasiposhuka chini kwenye central areas kuomba mipira wanakuwa isolated, goals lazima ziwe chache sana kwasasa.
Then, tunasahau kuwa Klopp amewarun hawa jamaa kwenye ground for 3 straight years, na miezi 17-20 iliyopita ndiyo ilikuwa balaa zaidi (especially Firmino, ambaye naweza kusema amefikia mwisho, mentally), haya mambo tuliyasema tangu 18/19, and now fatigue ime-kick in, they will recover but it will take time, Trent pia ana-suffer na tiredness, it took City's player a year to recover from a long fatigue baada ya ku-collect 198 points in 2 seasons, sisi tuli-collect 196 points in 2 seasons playing at our highest level, so fatigue ilikuwa lazima, so wakati tunatafuta villains tunatakiwa kujua kuwa these players are not robots.
I support this new Klopp's shape & system, as much as i want goals, but leaking goals for fun shouldnt be an option, goals will come, Jota will be back soon, THIAGO ndiyo kwanza ameanza, so tusubiri kuona atatusaidia vipi once akisha-settle.
Still a LONG way to GO.
Pogba na Bruno ni wachezaji wa liverpool
Mnyakatari
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Sawa..kanyimwa pesa ya centre back .sio kosa lake.Our most important player ni majeruhi ..sio kosa lake ndio.All back up centre backs are either glass footed or immature..sio kosa lake.
Wachezaji muhimu hasa kwenye final third Mane,Salah,Trent,Firmino wameshuka viwango au hawapo on form...sio kosa lake pia.
Pamoja na yote hayo anaendelea kutumia mfumo uleule kila siku 4-3-3..Kwa nini asibadili huu mfumo ambao hata mediocre teams zimeshatusomea na kujua namna ya kutuzuia?Hilo ni kosa lake sio FSG!Angalau angefanya kitu kilicho ndani ya uwezo wake katika kujaribu kuitafuta form ya timu katika kipindi hiki kigumu.Sasa kwa nini asiwe flexible kwenye mfumo?Kwani ni lazima acheze na 4-3-3 kila siku?
Baada ya majeruhi Kila kitu kimebadilika.Business is not as usual!Kwanini mfumo wake uendelee kuwa wa business as usual?
So to some extent blames goes to him I think
Wachezaji muhimu hasa kwenye final third Mane,Salah,Trent,Firmino wameshuka viwango au hawapo on form...sio kosa lake pia.
Pamoja na yote hayo anaendelea kutumia mfumo uleule kila siku 4-3-3..Kwa nini asibadili huu mfumo ambao hata mediocre teams zimeshatusomea na kujua namna ya kutuzuia?Hilo ni kosa lake sio FSG!Angalau angefanya kitu kilicho ndani ya uwezo wake katika kujaribu kuitafuta form ya timu katika kipindi hiki kigumu.Sasa kwa nini asiwe flexible kwenye mfumo?Kwani ni lazima acheze na 4-3-3 kila siku?
Baada ya majeruhi Kila kitu kimebadilika.Business is not as usual!Kwanini mfumo wake uendelee kuwa wa business as usual?
So to some extent blames goes to him I think
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City spent Millions on Dias & Ake, and people laughed at Pep, but look at their defensive record now, and i fear soon watatuacha mbali sana kwenye title race kama tusipo-change things.
This is modern football, you cant coach bums and usubiri wawe bora wakati kuna a lot of talents out there, just pay the money.
nilishawahi sema hapa, Pep is not a better coach than Klopp, and he know it, so njia pekee ya kumu-out coach ni kuspend big, its that simple.
But, you know the arrogant LFC fans, 1 title after 30 years na wakajiona wapo on top of the world, sustained development ni muhimu sana, tengeneza hayo mazingira ndiyo uanze kuwa arrogant, Klopp wants this TITLE, and he's trying his BEST, look at CL now, Bayern are struggling kwenye league yao, Juve are struggling, Madrid & Barca are not the same, tuna CHANCE kubwa sana ya kushinda CL, but ambition ya hata kununua CB haipo, AGAIN tunategemea muujiza wa Klopp, sidhani kama anastahili hili kwasasa, he should be treated like Pep at City, give him MONEY to spend, hatakiwi kuuza mchezaji kupata mchezaji.
zumbemkuu
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Mkuu vp? Huoni hapo mwamba kachambua alichokiona kwenye mechi? Au ulitaka aseme alichokiona kwa wachezaji wa Liverpool kwenye hiyo mechi?
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Pogba was the 2nd best MF on the pitch after Thiago.
Him, Shaw & Maguire played a very good game.
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We are still in the TITLE race.
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Sisi ni washabiki wa mpira sio mashabiki wa Manyumbu.
Huku tunajadili na mpira pia,sio tu ushabiki.
Ndio maana mishabiki mingi ya Manyumbu haijui mpira,kuongoza ligi hata raundi y kwanza ijaisha wanaona wamechukua ubingwa.
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Unateseka ukiwa wapi mkuu.
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Yani ninavovizia habari za usajili huwezi amini
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Kmmmk, kama unavizia mshahara vile, hahahaha
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