Liverpool FC (The Reds) | Special Thread

[wembeee]

lol, better than Howedes???

Na nin kinamfany matip kua avarage?

 

[wembeee]

Matip ni Centre Back wa kawaida sana, siyo upgrade kwa Skrtel wala Lovren..

utakuja kunambia hapa.

But tukiupgrade our midfield hata defence itaimprove....individually our defenders are better than arsenal defenders...but their midfield mask their defence frailty. ....sentiments aside we need to upgrade on lucas...milner...hendo....and can...yani we need atleast two new midfielders..if we can controll midfield hata pressure in defence itapungua na attack wont be isolated.

 

[wembeee]

, tulifanikiwa For years coz we had Hyppia &Carra, Agger & Carra/skrtel, now tuna Skrtel & Sakho (wote nguvu), tuna Lovren (anatumia akili, a

Beki anaonekana anatumia akil pale anapokua good reader of the game...na good reader of the game anajulikana kwa kua na more interceptions than tackling coz anakua ana anticipate moves nying za adui. ..pia using of the ball.lovren is nowhere near sakho kweny kutumia mpira...lovren ni hoofer kama carra..one of the worst passer of the ball...

 

[MosDef]

But tukiupgrade our midfield hata defence itaimprove....individually our defenders are better than arsenal defenders...but their midfield mask their defence frailty. ....sentiments aside we need to upgrade on lucas...milner...hendo....and can...yani we need atleast two new midfielders..if we can controll midfield hata pressure in defence itapungua na attack wont be isolated.

Koscielny ni best DF in the leagu kwa sasa, Ni yeye na Cech na wanaisaidia Arsenal, Midfield yao ni Mbovu.

LFC, ni mbovu kuanzia kwenye kiungo, Centre-backs mpaka kwa Goal Keepers...Skrtel na Migs ndo kila mmoja anaongoza kwa errors ambazo zinalead kwenye goals..huwez tegemea chochote hapo..

 

[wembeee]

mosDef njoo tusemezane

 

[MosDef]

Beki anaonekana anatumia akil pale anapokua good reader of the game...na good reader of the game anajulikana kwa kua na more interceptions than tackling coz anakua ana anticipate moves nying za adui. ..pia using of the ball.lovren is nowhere near sakho kweny kutumia mpira...lovren ni hoofer kama carra..one of the worst passer of the ball...

basi inaelekea umeanza kumfatilia Lovren aliposajiliwa na BR, aliposajiliwa BR alimpa Lovren majukumu ya Agger/Pique/Ramos/Boateng/Silva/Alex etc, kuanzisha mpira kutokea nyuma na kukitanua kusaidia kutanua kiungo, aina hii ya uchezaj huwa inahitaj Skilled Centre backs, BR signed Lovren sababu ya ubora wake katika kupiga pass na kuhamisha mipira/long balls, na kama humjui Lovren, yule Jamaa ni tackler mzuri sana, ni mara chache sana Tackles zake huwa zinasababsisha silly fouls kwenye eneo lake la hatar, the thing is BR paid hela nying kwake, na pia alimpa jamaa mambo mengi ya kufanya uwanjani kuzidi uwezo wake, ndo maana akaflop na kupoteza kujiamini kabisa, Sahiv unamuona chini ya Klopp anarudisha career yake coz kaambiwa afanye kucheza basic football, kikubwa anachofanya sasa ni kusaidia katika kuretain possession na kuanzisha pass/mipira kutokea nyuma, akiituma zaid upande wa kushoto, Skrtel kaz yake ni kumark man to man, (kitu ambacho kinamshinda) huwa anasubiria Lovren/sakho wamark kwa ajili yake, kila muda Anajituka yupo nje ya eneo lake, ndo maana kum-bull skrtel ni easy, (ighalo's goal alikuwa kamtegea Sakho)..

Centre-backs ambao hawatumii nguvu kwenye team tuona wawili tu Lovren na Gomez tu.

 

[wembeee]

Koscielny ni best DF in the leagu kwa sasa, Ni yeye na Cech na wanaisaidia Arsenal, Midfield yao ni Mbovu.

LFC, ni mbovu kuanzia kwenye kiungo, Centre-backs mpaka kwa Goal Keepers...Skrtel na Migs ndo kila mmoja anaongoza kwa errors ambazo zinalead kwenye goals..huwez tegemea chochote hapo..

Na bila cech arsenal were still doing well in a league..cech amewafanya wawe tittle cotendors..but miaka yote wamekua na beki mbovu

 

[MosDef]

Na bila cech arsenal were still doing well in a league..cech amewafanya wawe tittle cotendors..but miaka yote wamekua na beki mbovu

Nope, Cech kaongeza kitu kikubwa sana pale Arsenal, "points saving GK"

 

[wembeee]

basi inaelekea umeanza kumfatilia Lovren aliposajiliwa na BR, aliposajiliwa BR alimpa Lovren majukumu ya Agger/Pique/Ramos/Boateng/Silva/Alex etc, kuanzisha mpira kutokea nyuma na kukitanua kusaidia kutanua kiungo, aina hii ya uchezaj huwa inahitaj Skilled Centre backs, BR signed Lovren sababu ya ubora wake katika kupiga pass na kuhamisha mipira/long balls, na kama humjui Lovren, yule Jamaa ni tackler mzuri sana, ni mara chache sana Tackles zake huwa zinasababsisha silly fouls kwenye eneo lake la hatar, the thing is BR paid hela nying kwake, na pia alimpa jamaa mambo mengi ya kufanya uwanjani kuzidi uwezo wake, ndo maana akaflop na kupoteza kujiamini kabisa, Sahiv unamuona chini ya Klopp anarudisha career yake coz kaambiwa afanye kucheza basic football, kikubwa anachofanya sasa ni kusaidia katika kuretain possession na kuanzisha pass/mipira kutokea nyuma, akiituma zaid upande wa kushoto, Skrtel kaz yake ni kumark man to man, (kitu ambacho kinamshinda) huwa anasubiria Lovren/sakho wamark kwa ajili yake, kila muda Anajituka yupo nje ya eneo lake, ndo maana kum-bull skrtel ni easy, (ighalo's goal alikuwa kamtegea Sakho)..

Centre-backs ambao hawatumii nguvu kwenye team tuona wawili tu Lovren na Gomez tu.

U r being hilarious....lovren ni worst passer of the ball katika beki zetu zote ziliowah kucheza liver first team hata henchoz alikua better passer...ukinambia lovren ndo alichaguliwa kuanzisha mashambuliz lol...no wonder tumekua sio attacking team...vp lovren anaanzisha attacks??? Very poor passer..ni sakho ndo anaenzisha attacks na pasi zake..we vp jamaa..usitake kucompare passing ability kati ya lovren na sakho..ni kama vile alonso vs spearing. Lovren anabutua mda wote.

 

[wembeee]

basi inaelekea umeanza kumfatilia Lovren aliposajiliwa na BR, aliposajiliwa BR alimpa Lovren majukumu ya Agger/Pique/Ramos/Boateng/Silva/Alex etc, kuanzisha mpira kutokea nyuma na kukitanua kusaidia kutanua kiungo, aina hii ya uchezaj huwa inahitaj Skilled Centre backs, BR signed Lovren sababu ya ubora wake katika kupiga pass na kuhamisha mipira/long balls, na kama humjui Lovren, yule Jamaa ni tackler mzuri sana, ni mara chache sana Tackles zake huwa zinasababsisha silly fouls kwenye eneo lake la hatar, the thing is BR paid hela nying kwake, na pia alimpa jamaa mambo mengi ya kufanya uwanjani kuzidi uwezo wake, ndo maana akaflop na kupoteza kujiamini kabisa, Sahiv unamuona chini ya Klopp anarudisha career yake coz kaambiwa afanye kucheza basic football, kikubwa anachofanya sasa ni kusaidia katika kuretain possession na kuanzisha pass/mipira kutokea nyuma, akiituma zaid upande wa kushoto, Skrtel kaz yake ni kumark man to man, (kitu ambacho kinamshinda) huwa anasubiria Lovren/sakho wamark kwa ajili yake, kila muda Anajituka yupo nje ya eneo lake, ndo maana kum-bull skrtel ni easy, (ighalo's goal alikuwa kamtegea Sakho)..

Centre-backs ambao hawatumii nguvu kwenye team tuona wawili tu Lovren na Gomez tu.

Yani hii siexegerate ila sakho anapiga pasi kuliko hata mido wetu tulio nao...skrtel pia anamzidi lovren kwa pasi...
Na kukaba man to man...hii ni trait ya all modern defenders..kukaba on front foot kwa lugha ya mpira...sakho na lovren wote wanakaba on front foot..all best cbs dunian wanakaba on front foot...skrtel ndo udhaif wake..he allows attacker to turn. Na anakua anaback off....

 

[wembeee]

Nope, Cech kaongeza kitu kikubwa sana pale Arsenal, "points saving GK"

Bila cech arsenal have been consistently top 4 side pamoja na kua na poor defenders..thats my point

 

[MosDef]

U r being hilarious....lovren ni worst passer of the ball katika beki zetu zote ziliowah kucheza liver first team hata henchoz alikua better passer...ukinambia lovren ndo alichaguliwa kuanzisha mashambuliz lol...no wonder tumekua sio attacking team...vp lovren anaanzisha attacks??? Very poor passer..ni sakho ndo anaenzisha attacks na pasi zake..we vp jamaa..usitake kucompare passing ability kati ya lovren na sakho..ni kama vile alonso vs spearing. Lovren anabutua mda wote.

Lovren wa Lyon na Soton umeuangalia??? then kuna tofauti kubwa sana ya kupiga pass kutokea nyuma na kuanzisha attacks kutokea nyuma, BR alimpa Jukumu Lovren la kuanzisha movements kutokea nyuma, hiyo inahitaji centre back mwenye uwezo wa kudribble kidogo, (we had Agger)?hichi kitu Lovren hakiwez kabisa...

Sakho ni good passer, anachofanya ni kupiga long passes kurahisisha possession na kuongeza uharaka wa movements upfront...Lovren ni mpigaji wa Long balls mzuri sana, sidhan kama kuna mtu aliyemfatilia Lovren kwa muda anaweza pinga hili (unanishangaza sana)

BR, alim-nunua Lovren akimuhitaji afanye kila alichokuwa anakifanya Agger, ndo maana akafail, na thats why BR alikuwa anaforce Partnership ya Skrtel na Lovren, akiamini Lovren atayafanya yale ya Agger...

Lol, Firmino ni Very Good passer (saaaaaana) na ni VERY GOOD DRIBBLER, (SAAAAAAANA) stats zake zinasemaje msimu kuhusu passing ability yake na dribbling?? si ningesema Firmino ni good passer/dribbler ungekuja na hayo hayo maneno coz huwa mnawajudge players wakifika kwenye team unayoshabikia, na hufatilii club zake za kabla zaid ya kuangalia stats tu.

Aisee, hilo suala la Lovren umenichekesha sana..

 

[MosDef]

Yani hii siexegerate ila sakho anapiga pasi kuliko hata mido wetu tulio nao...skrtel pia anamzidi lovren kwa pasi...
Na kukaba man to man...hii ni trait ya all modern defenders..kukaba on front foot kwa lugha ya mpira...sakho na lovren wote wanakaba on front foot..all best cbs dunian wanakaba on front foot...skrtel ndo udhaif wake..he allows attacker to turn. Na anakua anaback off....

Nitajie attribute moja tu ya Good passer???

 

[MosDef]

Bila cech arsenal have been consistently top 4 side pamoja na kua na poor defenders..thats my point

Arsenal ni always title contenders kuanzia october mpaka February.

 

[MosDef]

Lol, Skrtel ni good passer kuliko Lovren?

 

[wembeee]

Lol, Skrtel ni good passer kuliko Lovren?

Lol lovren kufanya kazi ya pique haha...mtu anaogopa mpira kama moto...no composure.akipata anabutua.bora ya Skrtel

 

[MosDef]

Lol lovren kufanya kazi ya pique haha...mtu anaogopa mpira kama moto...no composure.akipata anabutua.bora ya Skrtel

hiyo kazi ya Pique/Agger/Thiago etc, alipenda kufanya yeye? au alilazimishwa na BR??? mbona huelewi mzee?

 

[wembeee]

Lol he was worst cb in lyon..read





When Dejan Lovren gesticulates frenziedly at his Liverpool team-mates, he is desperately attempting to revert back into the commanding, dominant and elite centre-back at Southampton.

Dismally retrogressing into an erratic, undependable and panic-stricken defender, Lovren is recreating his Lyon ordeal at Liverpool.

Arriving at Lyon from Dinamo Zagreb as a prodigious defensive prospect in the 2010 January transfer window for ?9.4/?7.4 million, Lovren was designated to be a Croatian version of Edmilson, who once scored an overhead kick as a centre-back for Brazil against Costa Rica at the 2002 FIFA World Cup.


Lovren began his Lyon career as a utility player, starting at right-back in a 2-1 win over Paris Saint-Germain and at left-back in a 0-0 draw against Toulouse.

"My preferred position is in central defence, but I have no qualms [with Lyon] about playing on the right or the left," Lovren said, per Ligue 1's official website. "If I had to, I'd even play as a goalkeeper."

Lovren's initiation at Lyon was taxing as manager Claude Puel had doubts.

At one point, Cris, Jean-Alain Boumsong, Mathieu Bodmer and Jeremy Toulalan?a central midfielder?were Puel's preferred centre-backs over Lovren.

Playing a multifaceted role for Lyon also wore thin as Lovren started and finished eight Ligue 1 games on the bench during his first season.

"The first six months [at Lyon] were really, really difficult for me. I didn't speak the language [French] so I didn't understand anything [from Puel]," Lovren said, per Jim Lucas at Southampton's official website.

"[The French] journalists were killing me, asking why the club played millions for a player who didn't have enough experience."

A lack of experience did not hold back Miralem Pjanic?Lovren's team-mate at the time?scoring six times, registering 10 assists and appearing in 37 league games.

There were 11 players born in 1989 or later who played more than 2,000 minutes in the 2009-10 Ligue 1 season.

If you were good enough, age was not relevant?Lovren was barely Ligue 1 standard.

"Imagine being 20 [years old] and reading [harsh criticisms about you from the French media]," Lovren said, per Jim Lucas at Southampton's official website. "You start to think that is the truth."

But it was the truth because Lovren was unreliable.

Lovren did not speak French and was unable to communicate effectively with his teammates.
He gave away possession 27.7 percent of the time he attempted a pass, thus was ineffective in Lyon's build-up play.
He was a nonexistent entity from an attacking point of view as a full-back. Averaged 0.3 key passes per game (pass leading to scoring chance) and failed to score or create a goal in 683 minutes.
Incompetent?as opposed to inexperienced?was the prevailing adjective to describe Lovren.

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Liverpool centre-forward Mario Balotelli's catch phrase is "Why always me?"

Lovren spent his Lyon career thinking "Why always me?" every time he incurred another daft red card.

Clattering into then-Auxerre right attacking midfielder Dennis Oliech while booked, Lovren received two yellow cards in 22 minutes.

Leading 1-0, Auxerre were gifted a one-man advantage and scored three further goals to win 4-0 against Lyon.

"It's a big slap of course. A match to forget," Puel said, per AFP (h/t FIFA's official website). "The goal we conceded was stupid [and Lovren's] red card [was] stupid as well."


Post-Puel in a Remi Garde era, Lovren's inclination for red cards continued.

Despite being booked, Lovren hacked Lille centre-forward Nolan Roux from behind, who was dribbling away from goal.

Lyon spent the next 25 minutes (20 minutes plus five minutes of stoppage time) defending a 2-1 lead with 10 men against Lille.

Lovren half-heartedly accepted culpability.

"I agree with the second yellow card, but not the first," Lovren said, per Lyon's official website. "I'm not in the best form of my life and I'm very disappointed at being suspended."

In his final season at Lyon, Lovren's inability to retain standard positional discipline heavily factored into him being sent off three times in league play.

"I was thinking: 'Oh my God, what am I doing?'," Lovren said, per Paul Doyle at The Observer (h/t The Guardian). "[Lyon] didn't have the time to wait for me."

 

[MosDef]

Lol lovren kufanya kazi ya pique haha...mtu anaogopa mpira kama moto...no composure.akipata anabutua.bora ya Skrtel

Beki yoyote duniani huwa anabutua mpira akiwa na threat mbele yake

 

[wembeee]

Beki yoyote duniani huwa anabutua mpira akiwa na threat mbele yake

Lol..lovren alikua worse at lyon...na three red cards juu coz ya kutokua na good positioning.halaf unasema ana akil??? Lol...at southampton alikua na two dedicated defencive midfielders mbele yake...then fonte alikua solid na they had solid fullbacks....