Battle: Dar es Salaam vs Nairobi

Battle: Dar es Salaam vs Nairobi

mwaiofhawaii said:
Kenya should be proud. The UN secretary General has announced Nairobi has become the UN biggest campus in the world …. More offices coming….. could the UN headquarters in New York be moved too in the future… you never know … Woow!!!…
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The spending of all those staff working at the facility.. all in Nairobi.
Millions of dollars per week
 
Sasa nini maana ya kuwa na Counties kama employees wa Counties wanalipwa na central government?

In Kenya, county government employees are officially employed and paid by their respective County Governments. However, the funds used for these salaries are primarily disbursed from the National Government (Central Government) as part of the equitable share of revenue, supplemented by local revenue generated by the county.
 
nairobae said:
Kazi ya National Government ni kutransfer pesa to counties, they have no business on how counties will prepare their budgets. Usiwe mjinga.
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Transfers sawa kwahiyo haijawa included kwenye national budget?
Hizo transfer tukisearch haziko budgeted?
Letsay hakuna popote kwenye national budget pesa iliyobajetiwa kwa ajili ya transfer?
Hivi unajua huwa kuna min budgets ambayo unatengeneza national budget?
County budget ni min budgets haijalishi mtazitumiaje hizo hela au mtapangaje, ndo maana utakuta kwenye national bajeti utakuta bajeti hata ya zile taasisi za serikali ambazo ni owned.
 
concordile 101 said:
Sasa huoni kama bado uko palepale nilikuambia leta planned budget ambayo inatokana na osr ( own source revenue ya Nairobi) maana hiyo ndo inajitegemea na haiko included kwenye national budget.
Ukiangalia allocation zako 40+ % inatoka central government.🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kukuelimisha tu dar es salaam inatumia 70% ya osr kwenye developemnt expenditure not inclusive zile za Toka central governmentView attachment 3587802
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Hebu kwanza lete hizi figures za osr za dar municipalities ndo tuendelee na discussion. 2nd Your point was development budgets for counties is included in the central government development budget which is not true. County governments get a guaranteed share of the national government budget( which is approximately 15% of the total budget) , then the national government budgets for the remaining 85% . Lastly counties have more revenue sources compared to your municipalities can't be compareble
 
concordile 101 said:
Transfers sawa kwahiyo haijawa included kwenye national budget?
Hizo transfer tukisearch haziko budgeted?
Letsay hakuna popote kwenye national budget pesa iliyobajetiwa kwa ajili ya transfer?
Hivi unajua huwa kuna min budgets ambayo unatengeneza national budget?
County budget ni min budgets haijalishi mtazitumiaje hizo hela au mtapangaje, ndo maana utakuta kwenye national bajeti utakuta bajeti hata ya zile taasisi za serikali ambazo ni owned.
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Ooohhh sijui counties hazina infrastructure budgets, sahii sasa umechange tune. Sawa mkona budgets but you don't have the powers, your local governments hawawezi jenga anything without linking with the national government.
 
nairobae said:
Ooohhh sijui counties hazina infrastructure budgets, sahii sasa umechange tune. Sawa mkona budgets but you don't have the powers, your local governments hawawezi jenga anything without linking with the national government.
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Devolution is a foreign concept to them … CCM na Mama lazima waulizwe kwanza …😆😆
 
mwathadan said:
Hebu kwanza lete hizi figures za osr za dar municipalities ndo tuendelee na discussion. 2nd Your point was development budgets for counties is included in the central government development budget which is not true. County governments get a guaranteed share of the national government budget( which is approximately 15% of the total budget) , then the national government budgets for the remaining 85% . Lastly counties have more revenue sources compared to your municipalities can't be compareble
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Tupatie project moja iliyofanywa kwa pesa za own source ya County ya Nairobi.

Tunakupa Project ya Kinondoni Maniciple Stadium. Is from Own source revenue.

Remember Tanzania has more than 180 councils each inakuwa na own source revenue
 
nairobae said:
Ooohhh sijui counties hazina infrastructure budgets, sahii sasa umechange tune. Sawa mkona budgets but you don't have the powers, your local governments hawawezi jenga anything without linking with the national government.
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Inabidi ukajifunze sana owns source revenue haiko intergrated na central government popote,
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Sisi tunatembea na formula, above 10bil ,70% ya osr ni for development na inakuwa chini ya municipal council.
Allocation za from central government kwenye infrastructure inaanzia bungeni.
Kuna municipality 184 na hapa ni own source revenue only .
 
mwaiofhawaii Teargass nairobae

Mfumo wa Tanzania unaenda mpaka kwenye street level.

Ngoja niwafundishe na muelewe real devolution maana nyie wakenya mlirukia tu treni.

Tanzania siasa zinaanza kwenye grassroots.
Mwenyekiti wa Mtaa
Huyu anachaguliwa katika mtaa au kijiji husika. Kila chama cha siasa kinaweka mgombea wake.
Baada ya hapo inaundwa serikali ya kijiji au mtaa. Ndani ya kijiji hicho kunakuwa na wajumbe nao wanachaguliwa kwa kupiwa kura.
Kijiji au mtaa kinakuwa na kamati mbalimbali yaani kama wizara.
Katika kijiji hicho kunakuwa na mtumishi wa serikali anayeitwa Executive (VEO kwa kijiji na MEO kwa mtaa)

Kitu hiki hakipo huko kenya.
Juu ya kijiji utakutana na Kata.
Kila kata Inakuwa na kiongozi anayeitwa Diwani. Vilevile huyu hupigiwa kura na kata yote. Kila Chama cha Siasa kinaweka mgombea wake. Hapo kwenye kata kunakuwa na kamati mbalimbali. Yaani diwani anaundwa Serikali ya Kata. Kwenye kata kunakuwa na mwakilishi wa Serikali anayeitwa WEO.

Kata zote ndani ya halmashauri moja zinaungana na kutengeneza council.

Madiwani wanachagua diwani mmoja atakayekuwa mwenyekiti wao (Kwenye Municipal and City anaitwa Mayor) Kwenye council ambazo hazijafikia level ya municipal anaitwa mwenyekiti wa council. Huyo mwenyekiti aliyechaguliwa na madiwani ni sawa na gavana kwenu kenya.

Ndani ya council kunakuwa na mkurugenzi anaitwa DED. Yeye anakuwa Katibu wa Council.

Sasa mpaka hapo mmejifunza nini wakenya kuhusu devolution ya Tanzania?

NB: Kijiji kinakuwa na own source of revenue kwa maendeleo ya kijiji.
Kinakusanya pesa kupitia ulinzi shirikishi, sungusungu nk.
 
nairobae said:
Ooohhh sijui counties hazina infrastructure budgets, sahii sasa umechange tune. Sawa mkona budgets but you don't have the powers, your local governments hawawezi jenga anything without linking with the national government.
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Infrastructure budget from your osr not inclusive from the central government.
Allocation Toka serikali kuu ni budgeted Buda, na hata kwa kuangalia most of the allocation inaenda lipa salaries sababu mnajitegemea kama county
 
concordile 101 said:
Inabidi ukajifunze sana owns source revenue haiko intergrated na central government popote, View attachment 3587820
Sisi tunatembea na formula, above 10bil ,70% ya osr ni for development na inakuwa chini ya municipal council.
Allocation za from central government kwenye infrastructure inaanzia bungeni.
Kuna municipality 184 na hapa ni own source revenue only .
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Halafu mwambie tupo mpaka na serikali za mitaa na vijiji zipo na Own Source Revenues
 
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