Battle: Dar es Salaam vs Nairobi

[Chamoto]

I don't dispute that, infact I mentioned to your countryman who posted Tanga that a grid system doesn't mean that a city is well planned. I'm just appalled from the way you changed from praising it when it was alluded to Tanga and trashing it once it was alluded to Nakuru and Kisumu.

PS..................From a Civil Engineer, your assertion that the grid system is outdated is not 100% true. While cities are exploring other methods, the grid system remains one of the favorite even in the most modern planned cities. The only difference is modern cities aren't being 100% grid in a Manhattan way - some sections are grid while in others they allow artistic and efficient flow of transportation networks around other elements of infrastructure and parks.

If cities were dating, the grid would be that reliable but boring partner who never wants to try anything new. The system is so unnatural, it's like living on giant city graph paper with a few parks tossed in to sweeten the square pill.

 

[President of China]

We are talking about sprawl, not curved roads. Sprawl is neither mutually exclusive with curved roads nor grid system. Do you know why American Cities are considered terribly planned while European Cities are considered well planned?

Mzee huongelei football? Leo tunataka kuongelea football. Tatizo wakenya mnaumia sana na mnachukuli vitu serious sana. Take things easy

 

[NairobiWalker]

If cities were dating, the grid would be that reliable but boring partner who never wants to try anything new. The system is so unnatural, it's like living on giant city graph paper with a few parks tossed in to sweeten the square pill.

Are you by any chance in a Built Environment field/Career?

 

[NairobiWalker]

Mzee huongelei football? Leo tunataka kuongelea football. Tatizo wakenya mnaumia sana na mnachukuli vitu serious sana. Take things easy

This is you right now sir. Holding your neck wondering what the two genius aliens are saying. You do not have to be part of every conversations. Some conversations are just above your paygrade.

 

[Chamoto]

We are talking about sprawl, not curved roads. Sprawl is neither mutually exclusive with curved roads nor grid system. Do you know why American Cities are considered terribly planned while European Cities are considered well planned?

American cities are often criticized for their sprawl, which is indeed a separate issue from grid systems or curved roads, and it's largely due to a combination of factors like post-war suburbanization, car-centric culture, and lack of comprehensive public transportation.

European cities, with their older, more compact designs, often prioritize density, walkability, and mixed-use development, making them seem more 'well-planned' in comparison. It is just a matter of preference.

 

[President of China]

This is you right now sir. Holding your neck wondering what the two genius aliens are saying. You do not have to be part of every conversations. Some conversations are just above your paygrade.

Which conversations? War of words with no facts?

 

[Chamoto]

Are you by any chance in a Built Environment field/Career?

Kinda, Imagine a world where you get to play with Legos, but instead of blocks, you're working with tiny, invisible blocks called "code" that can make things move, talk, and even think (kind of).

 

[NairobiWalker]

Kinda, Imagine a world where you get to play with Legos, but instead of blocks, you're working with tiny, invisible blocks called "code" that can make things move, talk, and even think (kind of).

So in short the answer is No. You're not.

Exactly what I thought because your opinions on the same sound simplistic to say the least, I’m sorry.

You for instance tend to believe the system of street arrangement tells the whole story of urban planning with nothing to add or remove. You do not realize that the street arrangement system is just the beginning. You can have two cities, both grid system but one is a monotonous stretch of boring, poorly designed buildings with almost zero tree cover and not allowance for recreation while another is better planned with recreation facilities, pedestrian walkways, schools, markets, residential buildings, parks, artificial lakes et al.

A good example of a boring grid system is your Kariakoo. Monotonous ugly buildings with almost zero tree cover. Perfect example on how not to build a city.

A good example of a well planned grid system is Barcelona. The city is a darling of urban planners. Within each grid is a garden and fountains and schools were integrated within the system. Each grid was chamfered to create octagonal shapes for better movement of traffic. Traffic movement is well controlled. Interestingly, when Eng. Ildefons Cerdà came up with the idea, it wasn’t well received and people actually fought it. It’s only in modern times that it’s being highly appreciated and Barcelona is one of the go to cities when planners want to write about how to build a city which contradicts your logic that the grid system is boring and outdated. Barcelona is always praised as an urban planning success story.

Barcelona

 

[Nicxie]

Hawa CAF huruma kama hizi ndiyo zinaharibu soka la Africa, haiwezekani uwanja kama huu uchezwe fainali, sawa nafaham umuhimu wa game ya ufunguzi and that's why mechi imewekwa kwa Mkapa, lkn hata fainali ingeletwa Tanzania, oneni huu uwanja wakuu 👇👇View attachment 3378461

Si unaumwa watchman!🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Kata tiketi mapema, if you can, uje utazame fainali Nairobi

 

[babayao255]

Tutaendelea kuwagonga sn sio tu kwenye national teams bali hata kwa ngazi ya clubs, tena kwenye clubs ndiyo msiguse kabisa tumewaacha mbali mnooooo. Football it's all about investment na sio story za jaba kama mnavyosemaga.

Kwenye rankings za FIFA wanaume na wanawake kote tumewazidi. 😂😂😂

 

[AMARII]

Continue jumping from one story to another and while at it, remember it won't change anything about you as a person and Tanganyika as a country.

Endeleeni kutafuna majani kama mbusiii...na kubugia cheap muratina...tutaendelea kuwasaidia dada zenu kuwasugua vizuri.

 

[NairobiWalker]

American cities are often criticized for their sprawl, which is indeed a separate issue from grid systems or curved roads, and it's largely due to a combination of factors like post-war suburbanization, car-centric culture, and lack of comprehensive public transportation.

European cities, with their older, more compact designs, often prioritize density, walkability, and mixed-use development, making them seem more 'well-planned' in comparison. It is just a matter of preference.

I never said sprawl and and grid system is the same issue. In fact I categorically stated that they're not mutually exclusive with either street arrangement so I wonder why you are explaining to me exactly what I told you. I simply called you out on your aggrandizement of sprawl. You even praised car-oriented planning which is the butt of all jokes in modern urban planning. LAWD. You're an interesting one, agreeing with me but making it look like you are the genius that came up with the idea when initially you were arguing the opposite.

 

[Nicxie]

Tumewatomba 👇👇🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣View attachment 3378358

Na akina Semenya sivyo? Hawa ni wadada sampuli gani?

 

[Mpwimbe]

You remember when I told that jumping from one story to another unrelated one won't change anything about you and your country? Now look at the kind of shit you call cities down there!

A comment from a stinking baboon

 

[mwathadan]

Na akina Semenya sivyo? Hawa ni wadada sampuli gani?

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😅

 

[mwathadan]

 

[ichoboy01]

Tuliambiwa na mnuka mavi kwamba kutakuwa na folded seats 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Alafu kwann hawa jamaa hawaachagi vitu jua kali? Haya manguzo ya nn sasa 👇👇🤣🤣View attachment 3378040

bila hzo nguzo paa litadondoka kaka hua hawaaminiki hawa 😂😂😂😂

 

[Mgagaa na Upwa]

Sisi hata siku moja hatujawahi kukleim chochote cha Kenya. Ila kila kukicha wanatamani vya kwetu iwe: daraja, mbuga, mlima, sehemu!

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😂😂mlima kilimanjaro upo kenya,diamond ni mkunya

 

[Chamoto]

So in short the answer is No. You're not.

That's cute, especially when you realize the designing of chips empowering your device for you to express your "feelings", is one of my expertise.

Exactly what I thought because your opinions on the same sound simplistic to say the least, I’m sorry.

You for instance tend to believe the system of street arrangement tells the whole story of urban planning with nothing to add or remove. You do not realize that the street arrangement system is just the beginning. You can have two cities, both grid system but one is a monotonous stretch of boring, poorly designed buildings with almost zero tree cover and not allowance for recreation while another is better planned with recreation facilities, pedestrian walkways, schools, markets, residential buildings, parks, artificial lakes et al.

A good example of a boring grid system is your Kariakoo. Monotonous ugly buildings with almost zero tree cover. Perfect example on how not to build a city.

A good example of a well planned grid system is Barcelona. The city is a darling of urban planners. Within each grid is a garden and fountains and schools were integrated within the system. Each grid was chamfered to create octagonal shapes for better movement of traffic. Traffic movement is well controlled. Interestingly, when Eng. Ildefons Cerdà came up with the idea, it wasn’t well received and people actually fought it. It’s only in modern times that it’s being highly appreciated and Barcelona is one of the go to cities when planners want to write about how to build a city which contradicts your logic that the grid system is boring and outdated. Barcelona is always praised as an urban planning success story.

Barcelona

You're comparing kariakoo district to the whole city of Barcelona? Interesting!

Kariakoo's got everything we need, and then some.

And as for the whole 'European cities are the epitome of planning' narrative, let's not forget that what works for them is not a one-size-fits-all solution. It's just a convenient excuse to justify their own unique set of circumstances.

The truth is, many European cities are cramped for space, so they've had to get creative with their urban planning. They've squeezed everything into tiny areas, not because it's the most brilliant design, but because they have no choice. It's a solution born out of necessity, not some superior urban planning philosophy.

So, let's not blindly follow their lead just because it's trendy. We've got our own unique challenges and opportunities, and it's time we start celebrating our own strengths, like Kariakoo, instead of trying to emulate someone else's

 

[President of China]

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