'Who created God' is an Illogical Question!

'Who created God' is an Illogical Question!

Haha, Mungu fundi sana asee, kama Malaika wanaosoma hii thread nahisi wanacheka na kuhurumia at once

Uzuri na ubaya ni huu

Mungu alitaka tuanza kujua "..hapo mwanzo Mungu aliumba ..., then akataka tujue kua kabla ya kuumba Roho yake ilitulia juu ya vilindi vya maji.."

beyond hapo "MWANZO" hakutaka tujue, tutaumiza vichwa tu
 
Well atheists are like a guy who met a girl driving Mercedes Benz and said he does not believe Mercedes exists. The girl went like "what?" Can't you see all these proof around? The guy closed eyes and said "see what?" and the girl tried so hard to show the car and all that Mercedes have done. She even showed the manual. But since he closed the eyes he couldn't see. The guy denied any car existed.

Then she tried to press horn and he closed the ears and said I can't hear anything. So the girl was confused. And he thought well let me knock him with the car and he will believe. So she knocked him with the car. As the guy was dying, he whispered .... I didn't wanted to believe it, but surely I knew that Mercedes exists and that you were driving Benz. The girl chucked and answered ... too late!

So is the atheist. They are so bold in their life but when death knocks the door, they acknowledge what they already know as the truth.

That being said, I am out with one comment: Whether I successfully prove or fail to prove there is Creator God, it does not change a thing. If I fail to prove the sun exists it does not put out the sun and zap it into non existent. So is God. He exists whether I prove (or anyone proves) or not.

God bless!
 
Na kwa jinsi anavyopenda sifa kama mlivyomuandika kwenye vitabu vyenu, angepanga nyota ziandike angani kwamba Mungu yupo hivyo binadamu wote aminini Mungu yupo.

The fact kwamba hakufanya hivyo na anapenda sifa sana ni contradiction inayoonesha hayupo.

Mbona aliyoyafanya yana sifa sana kuliko hata hilo ulilolisema hapo, sema tu hukuzaliwa kipindi yakifanyika laivu, pia hakupenda uzaliwe kipindi hicho ili uwe mbishi ili siku moja aje akuthibitishie kua yeye MUNGU yupo na utakiri


1.kupita bahari pakavu ni kubwa kuliko la nyota kuandika angani.
2. Yesu kuzaliwa pasipo baba ni kubwa jingine lisilo katika uwezo wa mwanadamu kuelewa
Yapo mengi tuu

Kama sisi hatuamini, yeye hudumu wa kuaminiwa. Kwa maana hawezi kujikana mwenyewe.

2 Timotheo 2 : 13
 
Well atheists are like a guy who met a girl driving Mercedes Benz and said he does not believe Mercedes exists. The girl went like "what?" Can't you see all these proof around? The guy closed eyes and said "see what?" and the girl tried so hard to show the car and all that Mercedes have done. She even showed the manual. But since he closed the eyes he couldn't see. The guy denied any car existed.

Then she tried to press horn and he closed the ears and said I can't hear anything. So the girl was confused. And he thought well let me knock him with the car and he will believe. So she knocked him with the car. As the guy was dying, he whispered .... I didn't wanted to believe it, but surely I knew that Mercedes exists and that you were driving Benz. The girl chucked and answered ... too late!

So is the atheist. They are so bold in their life but when death knocks the door, they acknowledge what they already know as the truth.

That being said, I am out with one comment: Whether I successfully prove or fail to prove there is Creator God, it does not change a thing. If I fail to prove the sun exists it does not put out the sun and zap it into non existent. So is God. He exists whether I prove (or anyone proves) or not.

God bless!
Wise Words.
You are trully a great thinker.
 
Mimi uwa najiuliza, nani alishawahi kuona upepo? Kwa uelewa wangu najua upepo siyo kwa kuuona bali kutokana na kazi zake. Mfano unapoona miti inatikisika au nyumba zinaezuliwa basi unatambua kuwa upepo upo. Kadhalika kwa uwepo wa Mungu. Mimi nasema Mungu yupo kutokana na kazi zake zinazoonekana. Mfano unapoona mtu aliyekuwa tishio kabisa leo hii kalala na hawezi kuinuka basi unatambua kuwa kuna aliyesababisha na mifano mingine mingi kama hiyo.
 
We are debating about the existence of God and not about evolution.So stop airing your dirty laundry by jumping from one topic to another.
To debate on a huge topic like this which is metaphysical one needs multiple knowledge where as bigbang and evolution being some of them!

You will be foolish to ignore such facts!!

We are discussing whether there is o there is no God!! For theist we have God as our point of reference ( locus of stand) then to atheists, what is your locus of stand? Let's start from there unless you guys would want to extract the what *you think* are weaknesses to prove the non existence of The Almighty God!

Come on!! Let's go toe by toe! You ask then I answer and when I ask just answer unless you will be a filter jus like other typical atheists!
 
To debate on a huge topic like this which is metaphysical one needs multiple knowledge where as bigbang and evolution being some of them!

You will be foolish to ignore such facts!!

We are discussing whether there is o there is no God!! For theist we have God as our point of reference ( locus of stand) then to atheists, what is your locus of stand? Let's start from there unless you guys would want to extract the what *you think* are weaknesses to prove the non existence of The Almighty God!

Come on!! Let's go toe by toe! You ask then I answer and when I ask just answer unless you will be a filter jus like other typical atheists!
Will it be a debate or competition?....We are urging about the existence of God.You are supposed to display your evidences that support the theory of God's existence, and we will examine your evidences to see if it contain logical consistency.If you succeed in convincing us logically we will agree with you and debate will cease completely with victory in your side.
 
Ukiangalia binadamu,alivyoumbwa,na jinsi viungo vya mwili wake,unavyofanya kazi,na ukiangalia dunia na vilivyomo,vilivyopangiliwa kwa mpangilio maalumu,kuanzia jua,mwezi,nyota nk,hakika yupo aliyevifanya viwe hivyo,na si mwingine ila ni MUNGU.MUNGU YUPO.
 
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Na kwa jinsi anavyopenda sifa kama mlivyomuandika kwenye vitabu vyenu.[/QUOTE]

Anapendaje sifa ikiwa ha-exist?
 
Unachotaka mie nikifanye ni sawa na wewe ambae unaamini kuwa jua litatoka kesho halafu ukawa unasubiri hiyo kesho,lakini atokee mtu na kukwambia umthibitishie imani yako ya kutoka kwa jua kesho.
Na ukiweza kufanya hivyo maana yake suala la kutoka kwa jua kesho halitakuwa tena imani.
Je,utaweza kufanya hivyo?

Maana kwako wewe hivyo ndiyo kuthibitisha jambo la imani unavyoelewa,na ndiyo maana sie kila tukitoa uthibitisho huwa unasema hatuwezi kuthibitisha.
Hutakiwi kufananisha imani ya kuamini jua litatoka kesho, imani ambayo ni juu ya kitu kinachoonekana, kinachopimika, chenye historia ya kufanyika kila siku, kinachoweza kuwa tested every 24 hours, kitu kinachoeleweka na kisicho na contradiction na imani ya Mungu ambaye haonekani, hapimiki, hana historia inayojulikana kwa hakika ya kuonekana wala kupimika, hawezi kupimika, asiyeeleweka na mwenye contradiction.

Utakuwa unavunja kanuni muhimu ya kufananisha vitu.

Utakuwa unafananisha vitu visivyofanana.
 
Hatukuwa tukijadili swala la watu kufanya kinyume na imani zao,tulikuwa tukijadili watu kutotakiwa kuuliza jambo kuhusu imani zao.
Watu kuuliza kuhusu imani zao ni kufanya kinyume na imani zao.

Imani haina maswali.

Ukianza maswali umetoka kwenye imani unaingia kwenye sayansi.
 
Hutakiwi kufananisha imani ya kuamini jua litatoka kesho, imani ambayo ni juu ya kitu kinachoonekana, kinachopimika, chenye historia ya kufanyika kila siku, kinachoweza kuwa tested every 24 hours, kitu kinachoeleweka na kisicho na contradiction na imani ya Mungu ambaye haonekani, hapimiki, hana historia inayojulikana kwa hakika ya kuonekana wala kupimika, hawezi kupimika, asiyeeleweka na mwenye contradiction.

Utakuwa unavunja kanuni muhimu ya kufananisha vitu.

Utakuwa unafananisha vitu visivyofanana.
Ulitaka nifananishe na nini?

Hebu jibu nilichokuuliza katika hiyo post.
 
Some of the answers you will never get because you are not GOD. However naweza nikasema kuwa Mungu hufanya vitu logically ingawa hafungwi na logical. Yeye ndiye muasisi wa logic ambayo tunaijua sisi. ( Mungu ni yeye yule Jana, Leo na hata milele).

(Ikumbukwe kuwa kila kitu katika ulimwengu ni logical, we just see some of them illogical because we can't comprehend them using our normal brains).

I knw you will start to ask me questions like 'Can God create pembetatu duara'? I will answer as follow;

Out of our normal logic, its impossible, but, as God is not limited with logic, then we may conclude that God can do anything even things we can not imagine .

You may also ask this question, "Can God create a triangle for which sum of angles are greater than 180°? Then I answer as follows;
1. Degrees is a human invention. Therefore, if a man wanted the triangle to have 1000°, they would do it.
2. In more than two dimensions, (I.e. for example in three dimensions) triangles may have more than 180° logically.

To sum up, our God exist outside our known dimensions and knowledge and therefore, we can not clearly describe his power, authority, and capability. We have to accept him, honour him, worship him, believe him, glorify him, and trust him.

Moreover, we have to ask him to give us the knowledge of him.

To sum up, nataka watu kama Kiranga wa confess kwanza kuwa suala ya Who Created God is illogical question, kwa hiyo sitarajii mtu kuuliza maswali kama ya ' Nani kamuumba Mungu? Au Mungu katoka wapi? Hiyo ni kwa sababu Mungu hajatoka popote. Yupo milele, hana MWANZO, hana MWISHO!
Mungu mmoja ,hakuzaa wala hakuzaliwa wala hana anayefanananae.
 
Mbona aliyoyafanya yana sifa sana kuliko hata hilo ulilolisema hapo, sema tu hukuzaliwa kipindi yakifanyika laivu, pia hakupenda uzaliwe kipindi hicho ili uwe mbishi ili siku moja aje akuthibitishie kua yeye MUNGU yupo na utakiri


1.kupita bahari pakavu ni kubwa kuliko la nyota kuandika angani.
2. Yesu kuzaliwa pasipo baba ni kubwa jingine lisilo katika uwezo wa mwanadamu kuelewa
Yapo mengi tuu

Kama sisi hatuamini, yeye hudumu wa kuaminiwa. Kwa maana hawezi kujikana mwenyewe.

2 Timotheo 2 : 13
Yote hayo hayana ushahidi kwamba yalifanyika, na yameandikwa katika kitabu ambacho hakiaminiki kwa sababu kina contradictions nyingi sana.
 
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