'Who created God' is an Illogical Question!

[Testar]

Hivi kama Mungu yupo, mbona tunabishana juu ya uwepo wake?

Kwa nini hatubishanii juu ya uwepo wa vitu vingine ambavyo wengi wetu hatujawahi kuviona?

Kwa nini Mungu ajifiche mbali na watu wake?

Kuna ubaya gani kwa Mungu kuonekana kwa viumbe wake?

I have come to realize that God is a man made phenomenon, He was created within the mind of ancient people.

 

[always am a Winner]

Hivi kama Mungu yupo, mbona tunabishana juu ya uwepo wake?

Kwa nini hatubishanii juu ya uwepo wa vitu vingine ambavyo wengi wetu hatujawahi kuviona?

Kwa nini Mungu ajifiche mbali na watu wake?

Kuna ubaya gani kwa Mungu kuonekana kwa viumbe wake?

I have come to realize that God is man made phenomenon, He was created within the mind of ancient people.

People are so wonderful. They don't believe in God but yet they BELIEVE in evolution.

Can you tell me any evidence for evolution? The answer is NO. So, evolution is a belief and not a science just as the way we believe in God.

If you want to know the secrets of God its better you approach him in prayers. We can not know everything. Our brains are finite and have limits.

In Yeremia 33: 3, God says "Niite, nami nitakuitikia, nami nitakuonesha mambo makubwa (kama ya uumbaji na future), magumu (kama uumbaji na spiritual truths, usiyoyajua (In fact we don't know many).

 

[always am a Winner]

Can you prove god exists?

Demons do not exist. There are mental health issues which people with neither the training nor the qualifications call demonic possession.

Next time you want a conversation with me reply to my post or tag me. Otherwise I may not see your post.

Can mental issues cause someone to speak in multiple voices at the same time? Explain and show the evidence.

I will be back for another question.

 

[Kiranga]

Can mental issues cause someone to speak in multiple voices at the same time? Explain and show the evidence.

I will be back for another question.

If mental "issues" can cause someone to speak in one voice at one time, why shouldn't mental issues be able to cause someone to speak in multiple voices at the same time?

Your threshold of verification is rather low.People have been put in hypnosis and ended up not being able to read their own languages but able to interpret foreign languages.

We need to study the brain and understand the complex way is works, not just sweep everything we do not understand under the all encompassing carpet of God.

What is the science behind hypnosis? - Quora

What is the science behind hypnosis?
Why and how do humans get hypnotised? What are the different levels of hypnosis?

See also: Does hypnotism work? How do you hypnotize people?




Paul King, Computational Neuroscientist, Software Entrepreneur
Updated Jun 8, 2015 · Featured in The Huffington Post · Upvoted by Colin Gerber, Parkinson's Researcher

Hypnosis is a real phenomenon, and even animals can be hypnotized. But what hypnotism is, exactly, remains unclear.

In a remarkable experiment reported in the New York Times [1], subjects were given the post-hypnotic suggestion that they would see words that would appear incomprehensible as if in a foreign language. They were then put in a brain scanner and asked to perform the "Stroop task" in which one reads aloud the color of words but not the text.

Here is an example Stroop task shown in English and Dutch:

When the words are in a foreign language, the task is easy. When they are in your native language, it is almost impossible to do correctly (try it!) due to an "interference effect" that causes the meaning of the words to take priority over their visual color.

However with the post-hypnotic suggestion, subjects were able to do this task effortlessly. Not only that, but the fMRI brain scan revealed that the brain region responsible for language did not become activated. So not only did the words "seem" to the subject to be in a foreign language, the brain actually processed them as if they were. This experiment may be the first solid evidence that hypnosis is a real neurological phenomenon.

But what kind of phenomenon is it? This is where the controversy begins.

Hypnosis is generally regarded as an altered state of consciousness, a broad category that includes meditative states, the "flow" state, psychedelic drug-induced states, and psychosis. But since consciousness isn't understood, alterations to it aren't very well understood either.

More specifically, hypnosis is a state of extreme "suggestibility," a phenomenon that includes the placebo effect, advertising, and religious cults, but may also include any context-specific behavior. If a stranger at a train station asks you to take off your clothes, you would call the police. But if a stranger wearing a white coat at a hospital makes the same request, you would comply naturally. Have you been hypnotized?

Hypnotism may simply be the artful manipulation of attention, language, and context to establish an alternate set of temporary beliefs, which then influence perception and behavior.

The hypnotic induction procedure generally involves three components: direction of attention, unusual use of language, and tests. The direction of attention determines what will or will not enter perceptual awareness. The unusual use of language can divide consciousness, so that suggestions are made indirectly while reasoning and skepticism is distracted. The tests are tasks used to create the illusion that the subject has surrendered control to the hypnotist, thereby causing the subject to surrender more control. For example the hypnotist may say your eyelids feel heavy, so that when you feel it, you believe that you are now hypnotized, which causes you to become more hypnotized.

Many trance levels have been identified. In some models, there are more than 30 distinct "trance depths" from lightly suggestible to the ability to forget words, not see an object, see something change color, not notice pain, or "fall asleep" on command. While a stage hypnotist can persuade someone to do something embarrassing, it is generally understood that people will not act against their own value system.

Hypnotic effects do not always require a formal induction procedure. Milton Erickson, perhaps the most effective hypnotherapist who ever lived [2], was once treating a boy who came in to the hospital E-R needing stitches on his forehead. Rather than using anesthesia, Erickson explained to the boy how he would sew up the wound if he were to do it. He explained what he would do in great detail, gesturing around the boy's head and going through the motions. The boy became impatient and asked him when he was going to start. Erickson replied that he had already finished.

----

[1] New York Times article on hypnosis and brain scanning (2005): This Is Your Brain Under Hypnosis

[2] Wikipedia on Milton Erickson, master hypnotist: Milton H. Erickson
83k Views · View Upvotes · Answer requested by Will Wister

Upvote939Downvote
Comments17+
Share


Colin Gerber, Parkinson's Researcher
Written Jan 11, 2013 · Featured in Forbes

There has been, and still is, a lot of controversy about the validity of hypnosis. However, more and more research has been coming out in support of hypnosis existing and actually affecting brain function to an extent.

First off, who does it affect?

People are often broken into two groups when doing hypnosis research. High hypnotizable people and non-hypnozable people. As most people have heard, hypnosis does not work on everybody. But why is that? Well research shows that high hypnotizable people actually have structural differences in their brains.

a 2004 study conducted by researchers at the University of Virginia revealed that subjects prone to be hypnotized actually had structural differences within their brains. In the study, highly hypnotizable subjects, on average, sported a 31.8% larger rostrum, a part of the brain involved in the allocation of attention and transfer of information between prefrontal cortices. [1,2]

It would seem that becoming hypnotized has has at least something to do with the rostrum.

Brain Injury

So, people that are more susceptible to hypnotism have small differences in brain structure. That does not necessarily mean that hypnotism actually affects the brain.

Does hypnotism affect brain activity?

There have been several studies that have shown affects on brain activity after hypnotism. Mendelsohn et al. studied this through giving people posthypnotic amnesia (PHA). This basically means that the hypnotist told people to forget a certain thing after they are hypnotized until they hear a recall trigger word which lets them remember it again.

In the study they took a group of people that were susceptible to PHA and a group that was not and had them both watch a movie. A week later they tested their recall on the movie after receiving PHA. The group what was susceptible to PHA scored much lower on the test than the non-PHA group. They also found that

fMRI showed high levels of activity in areas responsible for visualizing scenes (the occipital lobes) and for analyzing verbally presented scenarios (the left temporal lobe). In stark contrast, when people in the PHA group performed the recognition task and failed to remember the content of the movie, fMRI showed little or no activity in these areas. [3]

What is especially interesting about this study is after the PHA was canceled with the recall trigger the PHA group preformed just as well as the non-PHA group and their fMRI's showed similar results. Another fMRI study looked at hypnosis as well and found supporting reports here Scans Show How Hypnosis Affects Brain Activity.

There is science that backs up hypnosis and it seems that people who are more susceptible to hypnosis have enlarged rostrums. There is still a lot of work going on to figure out all of the details of hypnosis.

[1] How Hypnosis Actually Affects Your Brain
[2] Increased anterior corpus callosum size associated pos... [Brain. 2004]
[3] Hypnosis, Memory and the Brain

 

[Testar]

People are so wonderful. They don't believe in God but yet they BELIEVE in evolution.

Can you tell me any evidence for evolution? The answer is NO. So, evolution is a belief and not a science just as the way we believe in God.

If you want to know the secrets of God its better you approach him in prayers. We can not know everything. Our brains are finite and have limits.

In Yeremia 33: 3, God says "Niite, nami nitakuitikia, nami nitakuonesha mambo makubwa (kama ya uumbaji na future), magumu (kama uumbaji na spiritual truths, usiyoyajua (In fact we don't know many).

Why have you not answered my questions?

Who told you there are no evidences for evolution?

How sure are you to the extent of saying Evolution is not science but faith while Evolution can be tested unlike faith?

 

[always am a Winner]

Why have you not answered my questions?

Who told you there are no evidences for evolution?

How sure are you to the extent of saying Evolution is not science but faith while Evolution can be tested unlike faith?

Give me one evidence of evolution which encompass change of one kind of organism to another kind.

Then tell me why we don't have intermediate creatures. I.e. Sokwe-mtu, au paka-mjusi etc.

 

[always am a Winner]

If mental "issues" can cause someone to speak in one voice at one time, why shouldn't mental issues be able to cause someone to speak in multiple voices at the same time?

Your threshold of verification is rather low.People have been put in hypnosis and ended up not being able to read their own languages but able to interpret foreign languages.

We need to study the brain and understand the complex way is works, not just sweep everything we do not understand under the all encompassing carpet of God.

What is the science behind hypnosis? - Quora

What is the science behind hypnosis?
Why and how do humans get hypnotised? What are the different levels of hypnosis?

See also: Does hypnotism work? How do you hypnotize people?




Paul King, Computational Neuroscientist, Software Entrepreneur
Updated Jun 8, 2015 · Featured in The Huffington Post · Upvoted by Colin Gerber, Parkinson's Researcher

Hypnosis is a real phenomenon, and even animals can be hypnotized. But what hypnotism is, exactly, remains unclear.

In a remarkable experiment reported in the New York Times [1], subjects were given the post-hypnotic suggestion that they would see words that would appear incomprehensible as if in a foreign language. They were then put in a brain scanner and asked to perform the "Stroop task" in which one reads aloud the color of words but not the text.

Here is an example Stroop task shown in English and Dutch:

When the words are in a foreign language, the task is easy. When they are in your native language, it is almost impossible to do correctly (try it!) due to an "interference effect" that causes the meaning of the words to take priority over their visual color.

However with the post-hypnotic suggestion, subjects were able to do this task effortlessly. Not only that, but the fMRI brain scan revealed that the brain region responsible for language did not become activated. So not only did the words "seem" to the subject to be in a foreign language, the brain actually processed them as if they were. This experiment may be the first solid evidence that hypnosis is a real neurological phenomenon.

But what kind of phenomenon is it? This is where the controversy begins.

Hypnosis is generally regarded as an altered state of consciousness, a broad category that includes meditative states, the "flow" state, psychedelic drug-induced states, and psychosis. But since consciousness isn't understood, alterations to it aren't very well understood either.

More specifically, hypnosis is a state of extreme "suggestibility," a phenomenon that includes the placebo effect, advertising, and religious cults, but may also include any context-specific behavior. If a stranger at a train station asks you to take off your clothes, you would call the police. But if a stranger wearing a white coat at a hospital makes the same request, you would comply naturally. Have you been hypnotized?

Hypnotism may simply be the artful manipulation of attention, language, and context to establish an alternate set of temporary beliefs, which then influence perception and behavior.

The hypnotic induction procedure generally involves three components: direction of attention, unusual use of language, and tests. The direction of attention determines what will or will not enter perceptual awareness. The unusual use of language can divide consciousness, so that suggestions are made indirectly while reasoning and skepticism is distracted. The tests are tasks used to create the illusion that the subject has surrendered control to the hypnotist, thereby causing the subject to surrender more control. For example the hypnotist may say your eyelids feel heavy, so that when you feel it, you believe that you are now hypnotized, which causes you to become more hypnotized.

Many trance levels have been identified. In some models, there are more than 30 distinct "trance depths" from lightly suggestible to the ability to forget words, not see an object, see something change color, not notice pain, or "fall asleep" on command. While a stage hypnotist can persuade someone to do something embarrassing, it is generally understood that people will not act against their own value system.

Hypnotic effects do not always require a formal induction procedure. Milton Erickson, perhaps the most effective hypnotherapist who ever lived [2], was once treating a boy who came in to the hospital E-R needing stitches on his forehead. Rather than using anesthesia, Erickson explained to the boy how he would sew up the wound if he were to do it. He explained what he would do in great detail, gesturing around the boy's head and going through the motions. The boy became impatient and asked him when he was going to start. Erickson replied that he had already finished.

----

[1] New York Times article on hypnosis and brain scanning (2005): This Is Your Brain Under Hypnosis

[2] Wikipedia on Milton Erickson, master hypnotist: Milton H. Erickson
83k Views · View Upvotes · Answer requested by Will Wister

Upvote939Downvote
Comments17+
Share


Colin Gerber, Parkinson's Researcher
Written Jan 11, 2013 · Featured in Forbes

There has been, and still is, a lot of controversy about the validity of hypnosis. However, more and more research has been coming out in support of hypnosis existing and actually affecting brain function to an extent.

First off, who does it affect?

People are often broken into two groups when doing hypnosis research. High hypnotizable people and non-hypnozable people. As most people have heard, hypnosis does not work on everybody. But why is that? Well research shows that high hypnotizable people actually have structural differences in their brains.

a 2004 study conducted by researchers at the University of Virginia revealed that subjects prone to be hypnotized actually had structural differences within their brains. In the study, highly hypnotizable subjects, on average, sported a 31.8% larger rostrum, a part of the brain involved in the allocation of attention and transfer of information between prefrontal cortices. [1,2]

It would seem that becoming hypnotized has has at least something to do with the rostrum.

Brain Injury

So, people that are more susceptible to hypnotism have small differences in brain structure. That does not necessarily mean that hypnotism actually affects the brain.

Does hypnotism affect brain activity?

There have been several studies that have shown affects on brain activity after hypnotism. Mendelsohn et al. studied this through giving people posthypnotic amnesia (PHA). This basically means that the hypnotist told people to forget a certain thing after they are hypnotized until they hear a recall trigger word which lets them remember it again.

In the study they took a group of people that were susceptible to PHA and a group that was not and had them both watch a movie. A week later they tested their recall on the movie after receiving PHA. The group what was susceptible to PHA scored much lower on the test than the non-PHA group. They also found that

fMRI showed high levels of activity in areas responsible for visualizing scenes (the occipital lobes) and for analyzing verbally presented scenarios (the left temporal lobe). In stark contrast, when people in the PHA group performed the recognition task and failed to remember the content of the movie, fMRI showed little or no activity in these areas. [3]

What is especially interesting about this study is after the PHA was canceled with the recall trigger the PHA group preformed just as well as the non-PHA group and their fMRI's showed similar results. Another fMRI study looked at hypnosis as well and found supporting reports here Scans Show How Hypnosis Affects Brain Activity.

There is science that backs up hypnosis and it seems that people who are more susceptible to hypnosis have enlarged rostrums. There is still a lot of work going on to figure out all of the details of hypnosis.

[1] How Hypnosis Actually Affects Your Brain
[2] Increased anterior corpus callosum size associated pos... [Brain. 2004]
[3] Hypnosis, Memory and the Brain

I will be back for this.

But, You say I end up supporting God for things that science don't know much (things that science can not currently explain fully),

But however, you just do the same thing in denying the existence of God while you don't know much about spiritualism.

 

[Kiranga]

I will be back for this.

But, You say I end up supporting God for things that science don't know much (things that science can not currently explain fully),

But however, you just do the same thing in denying the existence of God while you don't know much about spiritualism.

Where did I say you support God for things that science don't know much about?

Are you assuming this just as you assume that there must be a God?

My opposition to idea of the existence of God is not due to things that science do not know much about.

It is due to the things that science know much about.

Like a contradiction in a proposition shows that proposition has a logical problem.

 

[simplemind]

We can see God's power in everything we see. If fact Kiranga you don't know what God wants. God want you to TRUST him. You can not see God without first to TRUST him. God want you to do good deeds even when you can't feel him in your surrounding.

I ask you one thing. Can you prove if demons exist? If you cant, then how do you explain demonic possessions?

Trust me, even science failed completely to explain how and why people get possessed with demons! They will never explain scientifically because it is not a scientific fact, its a spiritual fact.

So, God is a spiritual fact, dwelling in an immaterial place, so you can't scientifically prove him for the same reasons as applied in demonic possessions.

But we all know that demons exist by looking the effects they do, in our environment.

Got me?

Faith I too I do Faith siyo TRUST.

 

[Iceman 3D]

People are so wonderful. They don't believe in God but yet they BELIEVE in evolution.

Can you tell me any evidence for evolution? The answer is NO. So, evolution is a belief and

Mkuu evidence ya evolution mbona iko hata arusha olduvai ni swala la kupanda gari na kwenda. Au nenda kwenye museums mbali mbali ulaya, ethiopia au UNESCO.

Yes evolution iko tested and proved , therefore evolution ni sayansi ndugu.

 

[Testar]

Give me one evidence of evolution which encompass change of one kind of organism to another kind.

Then tell me why we don't have intermediate creatures. I.e. Sokwe-mtu, au paka-mjusi etc.

I have presented few questions on the post # 21 to be answered.

As a thread starter you are supposed to answer those questions but only if you can....unless otherwise you better shut up on that part....The fun thing about you is when you are demanding evidences of evolution from me,...In what post # have I said am here to defend evolution theory? or to prove for its validity?

 

[UHURU JR]

Hivi kama Mungu yupo, mbona tunabishana juu ya uwepo wake?

Kwa nini hatubishanii juu ya uwepo wa vitu vingine ambavyo wengi wetu hatujawahi kuviona?

Kwa nini Mungu ajifiche mbali na watu wake?

Kuna ubaya gani kwa Mungu kuonekana kwa viumbe wake?

I have come to realize that God is man made phenomenon, He was created within the mind of ancient people.

Ushawahi kujiuliza kwanini hadi sasa bado watu wawe wanabishana kitu ambacho hakipo ikiwa kweli hakipo?

Sisemi kuendelea kubishana ndiyo ushahidi wa kuwepo hicho kitu bali nahoji tu ni kwanini kitu kiwe hakipo lakini bado ikawa kuna ubishani kuwa kipo au hakipo hadi leo? Tatizo ni nini?

 

[Kiranga]

Ushawahi kujiuliza kwanini hadi sasa bado watu wawe wanabishana kitu ambacho hakipo ikiwa kweli hakipo?

Sisemi kuendelea kubishana ndiyo ushahidi wa kuwepo hicho kitu bali nahoji tu ni kwanini kitu kiwe hakipo lakini bado ikawa kuna ubishani kuwa kipo au hakipo hadi leo? Tatizo ni nini?

Ubishi huu ni mrefu kwa sababu tunabishania kitu ambacho hakipo.

Kwa sababu kitu kilichopo ni rahisi sana kuthibitisha kipo.

Kitu ambacho hakipo huwezi kuthibitisha kwamba kipo au hakipo kirahisi.

Ukweli kwamba kuthibitisha kwamba Mungu yupo au hayupo ni kitu kigumu unaonesha Mungu hayupo.

Angekuwepo ingekuwa rahisi sana kuthibitisha yupo bila ubishi.

Na kwa jinsi anavyopenda sifa kama mlivyomuandika kwenye vitabu vyenu, angepanga nyota ziandike angani kwamba Mungu yupo hivyo binadamu wote aminini Mungu yupo.

The fact kwamba hakufanya hivyo na anapenda sifa sana ni contradiction inayoonesha hayupo.

 

[gasgas]

Let me ask you a question

"Do you know everything there is to know about this world and the universe?"

The answer is probably No
You don't. Let's say you what you know and can prove beyond reasonable doubt is only 90% of all knowledge then what if the 10% of what you don't know and can't prove is what will lead you to know that there is God

You see science has failed to prove so many things,
I am a medical student, to this moment many of the diseases, we have no clear mechanisms nor cause
We only have possible things that could cause them, but no clear explanation to how and why?

What I am trying to say is, our knowledge is finite, and we know things only in part. What we flash around are theories and ideas that suit our brains (plausible to our level of understanding)

If with our so well advanced minds, we find it hard to explain many of these earthly things that are with do you expect them to understand the creator?

No we can't because we weren't made to perceive God that way,
He doesn't want us to figure him out because we wouldn't be able to, our minds are limited in comparison to His
That is why He will not make it possible for you to prove Him
He wants us to perceive him in the realm of faith

I am a young guy, but when i get married and have children, say a 4 year old son,
And he comes to me and asks me "Where do babies come from?"
I wouldn't start explaining to him the sexual union, and the fusion of reproductive cells.
I will reveal to him what suits his understanding, what he can receive in his mind, appropriate for his age. And he will go out there convinced that he knows only for it to be dispelled 10 years later

It's the same with God
You can't expect God, who's infinite mind to revel himself to a finite mind while it is not even capable of perceiving the greatness of God,
We have what we have and we believe in him by faith

You'd expect him to reveal himself
He would if He had a character of man

Ubishi huu ni mrefu kwa sababu tunabishania kitu ambacho hakipo.

Kwa sababu kitu kilichopo ni rahisi sana kuthibitisha kipo.

Kitu ambacho hakipo huwezi kuthibitisha kwamba kipo au hakipo kirahisi.

Ukweli kwamba kuthibitisha kwamba Mungu yupo au hayupo ni kitu kigumu unaonesha Mungu hayupo.

Angekuwepo ingekuwa rahisi sana kuthibitisha yupo bila ubishi.

Na kwa jinsi anavyopenda sifa kama mlivyomuandika kwenye vitabu vyenu, angepanga nyota ziandike angani kwamba Mungu yupo hivyo binadamu wote aminini Mungu yupo.

The fact kwamba hakufanya hivyo na anapenda sifa sana ni contradiction inayoonesha hayupo.

 

[gasgas]

Mkuu evidence ya evolution mbona iko hata arusha olduvai ni swala la kupanda gari na kwenda. Au nenda kwenye museums mbali mbali ulaya, ethiopia au UNESCO.

Yes evolution iko tested and proved , therefore evolution ni sayansi ndugu.

If i may ask,
is evolution a continuous process?
Mbona haiendelei, what happened?
Why don't we see other species continually changing and adapting to different life forms?

 

[Kiranga]

Let me ask you a question

"Do you know everything there is to know about this world and the universe?"

The answer is probably No
You don't. Let's say you what you know and can prove beyond reasonable doubt is only 90% of all knowledge then what if the 10% of what you don't know and can't prove is what will lead you to know that there is God

You see science has failed to prove so many things,
I am a medical student, to this moment many of the diseases, we have no clear mechanisms nor cause
We only have possible things that could cause them, but no clear explanation to how and why?

What I am trying to say is, our knowledge is finite, and we know things only in part. What we flash around are theories and ideas that suit our brains (plausible to our level of understanding)

If with our so well advanced minds, we find it hard to explain many of these earthly things that are with do you expect them to understand the creator?

No we can't because we weren't made to perceive God that way,
He doesn't want us to figure him out because we wouldn't be able to, our minds are limited in comparison to His
That is why He will not make it possible for you to prove Him
He wants us to perceive him in the realm of faith

I am a young guy, but when i get married and have children, say a 4 year old son,
And he comes to me and asks me "Where do babies come from?"
I wouldn't start explaining to him the sexual union, and the fusion of reproductive cells.
I will reveal to him what suits his understanding, what he can receive in his mind, appropriate for his age. And he will go out there convinced that he knows only for it to be dispelled 10 years later

It's the same with God
You can't expect God, who's infinite mind to revel himself to a finite mind while it is not even capable of perceiving the greatness of God,
We have what we have and we believe in him by faith

You'd expect him to reveal himself
He would if He had a character of man

Do you know that you do not need to know everything to know that a certain answer is a wrong answer given that you know certain principles of finding the answer?

That you do not need to know the square root of every number to know that the square root if 10 is not 15?

You only need to know that the square root of a number cannot be bigger than that number.

The existence of this omnipotent, omniscient and omni benevolent godhead is as self contradicting as saying the square root of 10 is 15.

This can be demonstrated logically.

Of course you can pull an endless amount of "deus ex machina" devices against this, making up things and excuses as you go along, but you cant do so logically.

 

[gasgas]

Do you know that you do not need to know everything to know that a certain answer is a wrong answer given that you know certain principles of finding the answer?

That you do not need to know the square root of every number to know that the square root if 10 is not 15?

You only need to know that the square root of a number cannot be bigger than that number.

The existence of this omnipotent, omniscient and omni benevolent godhead is as self contradicting as saying the square root of 10 is 15.

This can be demonstrated logically.

I disagree
To say God is not there you do need to know everything
Because of that percent of which you don't know could be what proves that what you thought you knew is or isn't what it is

You need to have all the connections
Same thing to a 2nd grade student 2-6 is impossible right
but to a 7th grader 2-6 is possible,

likewise
4/0 may be impossible to me (not skilled in math)
But to a top mathematician, it may be possible

So you do need to know everything to say God is not there

It is a contradiction to you because you want to perceive The Creator the same way you perceive The Creation.

It's like trying to solve a physics problem using principles that apply in Literature
You will always end up with the wrong answer

 

[Kiranga]

I disagree
To say God is not there you do need to know everything
Because of that percent of which you don't know could be what proves that what you thought you knew is or isn't what it is

You need to have all the connections
Same thing to a 2nd grade student 2-6 is impossible right
but to a 7th grader 2-6 is possible,

likewise
4/0 may be impossible to me (not skilled in math)
But to a top mathematician, it may be possible

So you do need to know everything to say God is not there

It is a contradiction to you because you want to perceive The Creator the same way you perceive The Creation.

It's like trying to solve a physics problem using principles that apply in Literature
You will always end up with the wrong answer

Did you even understand what I wrote?

 

[gasgas]

Friend
Evolution is a theory not a FACT,
It's a possible explanation
For you to prove that evolution you would need to be there to observe a given species from a time it started as a certain life form to how it changed to another

All there is to it is possible explanations by certain men and some connections that can support the explanation


Association doesnt necessarily mean Causation

And as a matter of fact many scientists are adopting Creation as a more plausible explanation as compared to evolution and what not

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Ubishi huu ni mrefu kwa sababu tunabishania kitu ambacho hakipo.

I have a different take.

Ni ubishi usio na mwisho kwa sababu unahusu jambo ambalo halina ushahidi madhubuti unaohitimisha.

Mambo yaliyo na utata mara nyingi ndo huwa yana ubishi usio na mwisho.

Kwa hiyo, kama hili suala la mungu lingekuwa na ushahidi unaohitimisha kwa namna yoyote ile basi pasingekuwa na ubishi juu yake.