Sasa wanasema Osama hakuwa na silaha lakini alikataa kukamatwa...kwa hiyo waliamua kumpiga risasi.
Kama wametuma special forces....na Osama mgonjwa, hivi kweli "navy seals watatu" wangeshindwa kum-subdue na kumchukua akiwa hai?
Pia hakuna sehemu wanayosema kuwa walipata resistance yoyote katika operation hii...hii sinema inaleta masuali mengi kuliko majibu.
Osama kama mgonjwa ambaye alihitaji mashine ya dialysis Dialysis - NHS Choices ni wazi kuwa uwezekano alishakufa. Asingeweza kuhimili kukimbia kimbia na kujificha kwa miaka kumi.
Any way, hizi sinema za america ni nyingi, ila wao wanajua wanachokifanya.
Osama's Daughter Watched Father Killed by US Forces
By Tokunbo Adedoja
04 May 2011
Osama Bin Laden
One of Osama bin Laden's daughters saw her father being shot dead by United States forces, and was one of about 10 relatives of the Al Qaeda leader in custody pending interrogation, a senior Pakistani intelligence official told Reuters Tuesday. The official, who declined to be named, said the daughter, aged 12 or 13, was one of the persons who had confirmed that the mastermind of September 11, 2001 attacks had been killed by US commandos in a raid early on Sunday. The relatives – one of bin Laden's wives and up to eight children – will be interrogated and then probably turned over to their countries of origin, and not the US, in accordance with Pakistani law, the official said. The official said the wife and children were left behind after an American transport helicopter, possibly an MH-60 Sea Hawk, was abandoned because of mechanical problems. He said there was not enough room for the group on the other helicopters, which were transporting bin Laden's body, other male captives and the commandos. Other developments in the bin Laden affair are:
Udhalilishaji wa aina hii ndio ambao Mungu haupendi na ambao kwa huo Marekani itapigika kwa laana ya Mungu na wala si silaha. Hebu fikiria unapokufa mtoto na mke wako badala kufarijiwa wanawekwa rumande ati kuhojiwa.Ikiwa huo si ushenzi na unyama ni nini?
Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images The discussion of what led to Bin Ladens demise has revived a national debate about torture that raged during the Bush years. A rally against torture was held in Washington in 2008.
Osama bin Laden's hiding place in Abbottabad, Pakistan, whose walls dwarfed local residents passing by on Tuesday. Nine children were living in the house.
As intelligence officials disclosed the trail of evidence that led to the compound in Pakistan where Bin Laden was hiding, a chorus of Bush administration officials claimed vindication for their policy of enhanced interrogation techniques like waterboarding. Among them was John Yoo, a former Justice Department official who wrote secret legal memorandums justifying brutal interrogations. President Obama can take credit, rightfully, for the success today, Mr. Yoo wrote Monday in National Review, but he owes it to the tough decisions taken by the Bush administration. But a closer look at prisoner interrogations suggests that the harsh techniques played a small role at most in identifying Bin Ladens trusted courier and exposing his hide-out. One detainee who apparently was subjected to some tough treatment provided a crucial description of the courier, according to current and former officials briefed on the interrogations. But two prisoners who underwent some of the harshest treatment including Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times repeatedly misled their interrogators about the couriers identity. The discussion of what led to Bin Ladens demise has revived a national debate about torture that raged during the Bush years. The former president and many conservatives argued for years that force was necessary to persuade Qaeda operatives to talk. Human rights advocates, and Mr. Obama as he campaigned for office, said the tactics were torture, betraying American principles for little or nothing of value. Glenn L. Carle, a retired C.I.A. officer who oversaw the interrogation of a high-level detainee in 2002, said in a phone interview Tuesday, that coercive techniques didnt provide useful, meaningful, trustworthy information. He said that while some of his colleagues defended the measures, everyone was deeply concerned and most felt it was un-American and did not work. Obama administration officials, intent on celebrating Mondays successful raid, have tried to avoid reigniting a partisan battle over torture. The bottom line is this: If we had some kind of smoking-gun intelligence from waterboarding in 2003, we would have taken out Osama bin Laden in 2003, said Tommy Vietor, spokesman for the National Security Council. It took years of collection and analysis from many different sources to develop the case that enabled us to identify this compound, and reach a judgment that Bin Laden was likely to be living there. From the moment the first Qaeda suspects were captured, interrogators at both the militarys prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and the C.I.A.s secret prisons were focused on identifying Qaeda members who served as couriers. We knew that it was likely that if we were ever to get Osama bin Laden, it would be because we somehow came upon somebody closely associated with him that he trusted, said Charles D. Stimson, the top Pentagon official on detainee affairs from 2004 to 2007. In 2002 and 2003, interrogators first heard about a Qaeda courier who used the nom de guerre Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, but his name was just one tidbit in heaps of uncorroborated claims. After the capture in March 2003 of Mr. Mohammed, the chief planner of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, he was subjected to the most harrowing set of the so-called enhanced measures, which included slamming prisoners into walls, shackling them in stress positions and keeping them awake for as long as 180 hours. Like two other prisoners, he was subjected to waterboarding. According to an American official familiar with his interrogation, Mr. Mohammed was first asked about Mr. Kuwaiti in the fall of 2003, months after the waterboarding. He acknowledged having known him but said the courier was retired and of little significance. In 2004, however, a Qaeda operative named Hassan Ghul, captured in Iraq, gave a different account of Mr. Kuwaiti, according to the American official. Mr. Ghul told interrogators that Mr. Kuwaiti was a trusted courier who was close to Bin Laden, as well as to Mr. Mohammed and to Abu Faraj al-Libi, who had become the operational chief of Al Qaeda after Mr. Mohammeds capture. Mr. Kuwaiti, Mr. Ghul added, had not been seen in some time which analysts thought was a possible indication that the courier was hiding out with Bin Laden. The details of Mr. Ghuls treatment are unclear, though the C.I.A. says he was not waterboarded. The C.I.A. asked the Justice Department to authorize other harsh methods for use on him, but it is unclear which were used. One official recalled that Mr. Ghul was quite cooperative, saying that rough treatment, if any, would have been brief. Armed with Mr. Ghuls account of the couriers significance, interrogators asked Mr. Mohammed again about Mr. Kuwaiti. He stuck to his story, according to the official. After Mr. Libi was captured in May 2005 and turned over to the C.I.A., he too was asked. He denied knowing Mr. Kuwaiti and gave a different name for Bin Ladens courier, whom he called Maulawi Jan. C.I.A. analysts would never find such a person and eventually concluded that the name was Mr. Libis invention, the official recalled. Again, the C.I.A. has said Mr. Libi was not waterboarded, and details of his treatment are not known. But anticipating his interrogation, the agency pressured the Justice Department days after his capture for a new set of legal memorandums justifying the most brutal methods. Because Mr. Mohammed and Mr. Libi had both steered interrogators away from Mr. Kuwaiti, C.I.A. officials concluded that they must be protecting him for an important reason. Think about circles of information theres an inner circle they would protect with their lives, said an American official who was briefed on the C.I.A. analysis. The crown jewels of Al Qaeda were the whereabouts of Bin Laden and his operational security. The accumulating intelligence about Mr. Kuwaiti persuaded C.I.A. officials to stay on his trail, leading to the discovery of his real name which American officials have not disclosed and whereabouts. He in turn unwittingly led the agency to Bin Ladens lair, where Mr. Kuwaiti and his brother were among those who died in Mondays raid. Before a day had passed, the torture debate had flared. The chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, Representative Peter T. King, Republican of New York, told Fox News that the success of the hunt for Bin Laden was due to waterboarding. The next morning, Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat of California and chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said just as flatly that none of it came as a result of harsh interrogation practices. David Rohde contributed reporting from New York.
obama stoped operation of the best CIA asset Osama myth sasa yeye ameclen house kwa kuuwa osama hewa unazani bushi atafurahiya. Nazani kunamatukio mabaya sana yatatokea hapa hawa the power that be(TPTB) wanataka kutuingiza tena mjini mchana mchana kama walivyofanya na 911.
The most noteworthy point here is that probably the most heartless, reckless, wicked and elusive terrorist has earned his rightful bodily judgement on earth- (BRUTAL AND VIOLENT DEATH AND THIS COMING FROM HIS MOST HATED ADVERSARIES-AMERICANS), Lets all rest assured that the world is better off without Osama, As for his followers and supporters this serves as a an obvious warning that the day of reckoning is coming no matter how long it takes , you still have time to return to your senses reform, change and lets all live alongside one another in a peaceful co-existence, even when we continue to differ in our worldviews, lifestyle etc. As for Osama he can only wait for eternal judgment from his creator!!!!!!
Laiti ungefahamu huyo creator is not respector of persons and He is righteous and just. Dunia inaweza toa hukumu kama nawe ulivyofanya lakini nakuambia who that searches hearts knows every one of us and everything is open to him. Usije shangaa sana akawa saint na ame rest in peace. Jaribu kufikiri mtu aliyekuwa branded kama gaidi kiasi hiki kuishi kwa amani akiwa hana silaha yeyote mikononi mwake then you should know he had a great faith in his Allah na kama hivi ndivyo basi amekufa innocent kwakuamini kile alichokiamini ni kweli na kweli tupu. Kasheshe ni kwetu sisi ambao tunajidai tunaamini lakini ukikosa mkate wa siku moja unaiweka rehani imani yako na ku compromise. Do you know why Paul was made a great discipal and prophet? Kwasababu katika imani yake ya uyahudi aliishika na kuiishi kwa asilimia mia ndivyo ambavyo ilikuwa alipokutana na hiyo kweli alifanya kwa uaminifu bila kupunguza kitu kama kwanza. Biblia inatuambia ni heri kuwa moto au baridi kuliko kuwa vugu vugu. Ukiwa vuguvugu lazima Mungu akutapike maana ni kichefuchefu kwake. Anaheri nyingi yeye kwakuwa hasa kile alichoamini na hakuna anayejua saa yake ya mwisho alipata neema gani kwa Mungu na aliipokea vipi. Si vyema kuhukumu kwani hukumu ni ya bwana na huo ndiyo ujumbe wangu kwako wewe uliyeamua kuwa kuhani wa Osama.
Hawa wamarekani kwa kuigiza hawajambo.walijua tangu august last year alipo bin laden lakini wamesubiri mpaka dunia ilipuke kwa kuuliwa mtoto na ajukuu wa gdaf ndo wakaona waue so kwa kuleta issue ya osama ambayo imezifunika issue za libya ,birthcetificate fake na hata maandalizi ya kuishambulia iran ambao yanafanyika hivi sasa.ukweli inawezekana laden alishakufa long ama kama amekufa hyo juzi ama kajilima risasi mwenyewe nna hakika wangemtaka akiwa hai .ama kama wamemuua basi ni kumziba mdomo kwani kina bush walihusika kuilipua world trade centre kuficha ushahidi wa ufisadi wa trilion dollars.tafuta ktk gøogle...BUSH FAMILY PROJECT HAMMER.
Hawa wamarekani kwa kuigiza hawajambo.walijua tangu august last year alipo bin laden lakini wamesubiri mpaka dunia ilipuke kwa kuuliwa mtoto na ajukuu wa gdaf ndo wakaona waue so kwa kuleta issue ya osama ambayo imezifunika issue za libya ,birthcetificate fake na hata maandalizi ya kuishambulia iran ambao yanafanyika hivi sasa.ukweli inawezekana laden alishakufa long ama kama amekufa hyo juzi ama kajilima risasi mwenyewe nna hakika wangemtaka akiwa hai .ama kama wamemuua basi ni kumziba mdomo kwani kina bush walihusika kuilipua world trade centre kuficha ushahidi wa ufisadi wa trilion dollars.tafuta ktk gøogle...BUSH FAMILY PROJECT HAMMER.
la msingi kauawa na dunia hainae tena. yale aliyoyafanya ndo yamemfikisha hapo. kwa wanaofurahia aliyoyafanya poleni ila kwa wale walioonja machungu ya matendo yake tutafurahia mwisho wake. Kundi lake litasambaratishwa ingawa naamini huo hautakuwa mwisho wa ugaidi duniani. matendo yao tayaendelea kuwepo kwa namna moja au nyingine ila kitisho cha al-qaeda ndo mwisho. inasilkitisha pia kuwa alikuwa hodari kuchagua watoto wa watu wengine na kuwatoa mhanga bila ya kutoa hata mtoto/mjukuu wake hata mmoja! Hii ina-defeat nia njema yoyote ambayo anajifanya kuwa nayo kwenye ajenda yake aliyopigania
Kusema kweli siku zote mimi nimekuwa nikijiuliza Mjinga ni nani? Ukienda sokoni utakuta watu wanasema huyu mtu ni Mjinga. Go every where utakuta watu wanasema fulani ni mjinga. Mwalimu anyefundisha darasa la kwanza atamwambia mtoto 1 + 1 = 2 atamwimbisha siku nzima iliakariri na imwingie sawa sawa. Akirudi kesho atareverse the previous topic na atawauliza watoto 1 + 1 ni ngapi wanangu? Mmoja wa wanafunzi appointed atasema ni 3. Kweli hii ni blow kwa mwalinu naamini hata kata tamaa atatoa viboko vitatu kwa mwanafunzi na atarudia kumwimbisha mtoto ilikesho asije akasahau. lakini kama kesho mwalimu akija kurudia somo na mwanafunzi yule yule aseme jibu ni 3. It will be a big blow kwa mwalimu wake. Na ndiyo hapo atakapojua kuwa huyu mtoto hawezekaniki ni mjinga. Mjinga siku zote habadiliki. Inasikitisha sana kuona Watu wamepewa taarifa kuwa OSAMA BIN LADEN AMEUWAWA, NA WATU WASIOTAKA KUKUBALI UKWELI WANAPINGA. HAWA WATU NI WAJINGA.
Ndio kafungwa mavyuma au mawe mazito na kazikwa huko baharini! Lakini hiyo haitoshi kwa wananchi kote duniani kua na walakini ya kua je ni kweli Osama Bin Laden kauwawa au ni mtu mwingine aliyeuwawa! Wamarekani hawana aibu ya kusema uongo au kusema ukweli hiyo ndio kazi yao!
Wamemsaka Osama kwa muda wa miaka kumi na zaidi kwa udi na uvumba na pia kuahidi donge nono la mamilioni ya dola kwa atayemshika au kumuuwa sasa iweje leo hii wamempata na wamemuuwa hakika wamerikani wanahitaji pongezi kwa hilo, lakini basi waweke hadharani dunia ijue na ione hata hiyo maiti yake na huko baharini waliko mzikia!
Kitu kingine kinachowapa watu duniani wasiwasi mwingine hata hiyo nyumba alipouwawa Osama imefungwa na makufuli makubwa hakuna hata ruhusa ya waandishi wa habari kuingia ndani japokua Osama mwenyewe kashakufa na ameshazikwa baharini hiki ni kitendawili ambacho bado watu wanashauku kubwa ya kujua hili.
Kitu kingine raisi Obama kamualika raisi aliyemaliza muda wake hapo nyuma bwana George Bush pale ground zero palipotokea maafa makubwa World Treding Center kama kumbukumbu au tuiite furaha ya kumuuwa Osama Bin Laden lakini bwana George Bush amekataa kuudhuri je kuna nini hapa?
Tukirejea nyuma kushikwa kwa Saddam Hussein kwenye lile shimo kule Bagdad wandishi wa habari waliruhusiwa kupiga picha eneo aliloshikiwa Saddam Hussein licha ya zile picha zilizopigwa wakati ananyongwa tuliziona japokua ilikua ni kinyume na haki za binaadam kuonyeshwa kwenye mitandao kwakua waliopiga picha zile walikua ni watu waliotumia camera zao za kwenye simu za mikononi! Lakini baada ya wamerikani walituonyesha kuanzia mwanzo walivyomtayarisha Saddam kwenda kumnyonga na baada ya kumnyonga walituonyesha maiti yake walipoikabidhi kwa ndugu zake hapa tujiulize kwanini sio kwa Osama?
Wamerikani ni watu wenye kusifika sana kwenye kutengeneza sinema sana na ndio maana narudia tena hawa watu hawana aibu ya kusema ukweli na hata kusema uongo! dunia nzima inataka kujua tokea movie hii ya Osama Bin Laden akiwa kama yeye ndio stelling je mwisho wa hii movie huyu stelling alikufakufa je hadi kuzikwa baharini? au tuseme movie hii ina PARTY TWO? Nawasilisha.
Laiti ungefahamu huyo creator is not respector of persons and He is righteous and just. Dunia inaweza toa hukumu kama nawe ulivyofanya lakini nakuambia who that searches hearts knows every one of us and everything is open to him. Usije shangaa sana akawa saint na ame rest in peace. Jaribu kufikiri mtu aliyekuwa branded kama gaidi kiasi hiki kuishi kwa amani akiwa hana silaha yeyote mikononi mwake then you should know he had a great faith in his Allah na kama hivi ndivyo basi amekufa innocent kwakuamini kile alichokiamini ni kweli na kweli tupu. Kasheshe ni kwetu sisi ambao tunajidai tunaamini lakini ukikosa mkate wa siku moja unaiweka rehani imani yako na ku compromise. Do you know why Paul was made a great discipal and prophet? Kwasababu katika imani yake ya uyahudi aliishika na kuiishi kwa asilimia mia ndivyo ambavyo ilikuwa alipokutana na hiyo kweli alifanya kwa uaminifu bila kupunguza kitu kama kwanza. Biblia inatuambia ni heri kuwa moto au baridi kuliko kuwa vugu vugu. Ukiwa vuguvugu lazima Mungu akutapike maana ni kichefuchefu kwake. Anaheri nyingi yeye kwakuwa hasa kile alichoamini na hakuna anayejua saa yake ya mwisho alipata neema gani kwa Mungu na aliipokea vipi. Si vyema kuhukumu kwani hukumu ni ya bwana na huo ndiyo ujumbe wangu kwako wewe uliyeamua kuwa kuhani wa Osama.
WASHINGTON - Osama bin Laden was not carrying a weapon when he was killed by American troops in a fortified house in Pakistan, the White House said Tuesday, as it revised its initial account of the nighttime raid.
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Members of a Navy Seals team burst in on Bin Laden in the compound where he was hiding and shot him in a room on an upper floor, after a fierce gun battle with other operatives of Al Qaeda on the first floor.
Bin Laden's wife, who was with him in the room, "rushed the U.S. assaulter and was shot in the leg but not killed," said the White House spokesman, Jay Carney, reading from the brief account, which was provided by the Defense Department. "Bin Laden was then shot and killed. He was not armed."
Mr. Carney said that Bin Laden's lack of a weapon did not mean he was ready to surrender, and he and other officials reiterated that this was a violent scene, that there was heavy fire from others in the house, and that the commandos did not know whether the occupants were wearing suicide belts or other explosives.
Still, the account diverged in some ways from one given Monday by the president's chief counterterrorism adviser, John O. Brennan. He had said Bin Laden was "engaged in a firefight with those that entered the area of the house he was in," adding, "whether or not he got off any rounds, I frankly don't know."
Mr. Brennan also said then that Bin Laden used his wife as a "human shield." But officials now say that the death of another woman in the crossfire on another floor led them to draw that false conclusion.
White House officials said the discrepancies resulted from their haste to provide details about a chaotic, fast-moving military operation to an intensely interested American public. As more of the assault team's 79 members were debriefed, and their accounts were crosschecked with those of other team members, there were bound to be changes in the account, these officials said.
But the episode also reveals the pressures as the White House, intent on telling a dramatic story about a successful operation, sought to manage a 24-hour news media ravenous for immediate and vivid details. Even as Mr. Brennan was giving his account on Monday, other officials began clarifying parts of the story for reporters.
On Tuesday, one issue officials were wrestling with was whether to release a photo of Bin Laden's body.
Several experts on the rules of engagement in combat said that in a raid on a target as dangerous as Bin Laden, the Navy Seals team would be justified to open fire at the slightest commotion when they burst into a room.
"If he were surrendering, or knocked out and unconscious on the ground, that would raise serious questions," said John B. Bellinger III, legal counsel at the National Security Council and State Department in the Bush administration.
"But this is a guy who's extremely dangerous," he said. "If he's nodding at someone in the hall, or rushing to the bookcase or you think he's wearing a suicide vest, you're on solid ground to kill him."
Other experts noted that the members of the Navy Seals faced difficult conditions, moving through dim rooms under gunfire, and needing to make a split-second judgment about whether Bin Laden posed a threat.
"They say he was unarmed now, but did the Seals know he was unarmed?" said Scott L. Silliman, an expert on wartime legal doctrine at Duke University Law School. "It was in the dark. They were wearing goggles."
At the United Nations, questions arose about the killing. The organization's senior human rights official, Navi Pillay, called for more details.
While noting that Bin Laden was a dangerous man, she said any operation against him should have been done legally.
During Monday's briefing, Mr. Brennan said President Obama put a premium on protecting the commandos in the operation, saying that "we were not going to give Bin Laden or any of his cohorts the opportunity to carry out lethal fire on our forces."
None were harmed, though there was a tense moment when one of the two helicopters suffered a mechanical failure and was destroyed by the commandos.
Despite expecting Bin Laden to put up a fight, Mr. Brennan said the assault team had made contingency plans for capturing, rather than killing him. "If we had the opportunity to take Bin Laden alive, if he didn't present any threat, the individuals involved were able and prepared to do that," he said.
Still, Mr. Brennan was eager to draw larger lessons from what he said was Bin Laden's use of his wife as a shield.
"Here is Bin Laden, who has been calling for these attacks, living in this million-dollar-plus compound, living in an area that is far removed from the front, hiding behind women who were put in front of him as a shield," he said. "I think it really just speaks to just how false his narrative has been over the years." Leon E. Panetta, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, said in an interview with NBC News on Tuesday that the troops' orders were to kill Bin Laden. "But it was also, as part of their rules of engagement, if he suddenly put up his hands and offered to be captured, then they would have the opportunity, obviously, to capture him," he said.
Some of the confusion in the accounts of the raid stemmed from the difference in time zones. Bin Laden had actually been killed early Monday by Pakistan time, not late on Sunday as had been initially reported.
Meanwhile, the White House continued to grapple with the question of whether to release the photo of the dead Bin Laden, or other documentary evidence. Administration officials said that they are trying to determine whether the visceral desire among Americans - and some skeptics - to see proof outweighs the potential that such images might further inflame Bin Laden's disciples.
The photo, taken after Bin Laden was killed, clearly identifies the Qaeda leader, according to one official who has viewed it. "It looks like him, covered in blood with a hole in his head," the official said.
White House officials say they are still deciding what to do, although one official said that they were leaning toward releasing the photo. Mr. Panetta told NBC News that he did not think "there was any question that ultimately a photograph would be presented to the public."
Scott Shane contributed reporting from Washington, and Neil MacFarquhar from New York.
A version of this article appeared in print on May 4, 2011, on page A1 of the New York edition with the headline: NEW U.S. ACCOUNT IN BIN LADEN RAID: HE WAS UNARMED.
WASHINGTON Osama bin Laden was not carrying a weapon when he was killed by American troops in a fortified house in Pakistan, the White House said Tuesday, as it revised its initial account of the nighttime raid.
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Jay Carney, the White House spokesman, answered reporters' questions on Tuesday about the details surrounding the death of Osama bin Laden. More Photos »
MSNBC Video: Brian Williams Interview With Leon Panetta
Members of a Navy Seals team burst in on Bin Laden in the compound where he was hiding and shot him in a room on an upper floor, after a fierce gun battle with other operatives of Al Qaeda on the first floor.
Bin Ladens wife, who was with him in the room, rushed the U.S. assaulter and was shot in the leg but not killed, said the White House spokesman, Jay Carney, reading from the brief account, which was provided by the Defense Department. Bin Laden was then shot and killed. He was not armed.
Mr. Carney said that Bin Ladens lack of a weapon did not mean he was ready to surrender, and he and other officials reiterated that this was a violent scene, that there was heavy fire from others in the house, and that the commandos did not know whether the occupants were wearing suicide belts or other explosives.
Still, the account diverged in some ways from one given Monday by the presidents chief counterterrorism adviser, John O. Brennan. He had said Bin Laden was engaged in a firefight with those that entered the area of the house he was in, adding, whether or not he got off any rounds, I frankly dont know.
Mr. Brennan also said then that Bin Laden used his wife as a human shield. But officials now say that the death of another woman in the crossfire on another floor led them to draw that false conclusion.
White House officials said the discrepancies resulted from their haste to provide details about a chaotic, fast-moving military operation to an intensely interested American public. As more of the assault teams 79 members were debriefed, and their accounts were crosschecked with those of other team members, there were bound to be changes in the account, these officials said.
But the episode also reveals the pressures as the White House, intent on telling a dramatic story about a successful operation, sought to manage a 24-hour news media ravenous for immediate and vivid details. Even as Mr. Brennan was giving his account on Monday, other officials began clarifying parts of the story for reporters.
On Tuesday, one issue officials were wrestling with was whether to release a photo of Bin Ladens body.
Several experts on the rules of engagement in combat said that in a raid on a target as dangerous as Bin Laden, the Navy Seals team would be justified to open fire at the slightest commotion when they burst into a room.
If he were surrendering, or knocked out and unconscious on the ground, that would raise serious questions," said John B. Bellinger III, legal counsel at the National Security Council and State Department in the Bush administration.
But this is a guy whos extremely dangerous, he said. If hes nodding at someone in the hall, or rushing to the bookcase or you think hes wearing a suicide vest, youre on solid ground to kill him.
Other experts noted that the members of the Navy Seals faced difficult conditions, moving through dim rooms under gunfire, and needing to make a split-second judgment about whether Bin Laden posed a threat.
They say he was unarmed now, but did the Seals know he was unarmed? said Scott L. Silliman, an expert on wartime legal doctrine at Duke University Law School. It was in the dark. They were wearing goggles.
At the United Nations, questions arose about the killing. The organizations senior human rights official, Navi Pillay, called for more details.
While noting that Bin Laden was a dangerous man, she said any operation against him should have been done legally.
During Mondays briefing, Mr. Brennan said President Obama put a premium on protecting the commandos in the operation, saying that we were not going to give Bin Laden or any of his cohorts the opportunity to carry out lethal fire on our forces.
None were harmed, though there was a tense moment when one of the two helicopters suffered a mechanical failure and was destroyed by the commandos.
Despite expecting Bin Laden to put up a fight, Mr. Brennan said the assault team had made contingency plans for capturing, rather than killing him. If we had the opportunity to take Bin Laden alive, if he didnt present any threat, the individuals involved were able and prepared to do that, he said.
Still, Mr. Brennan was eager to draw larger lessons from what he said was Bin Ladens use of his wife as a shield.
Here is Bin Laden, who has been calling for these attacks, living in this million-dollar-plus compound, living in an area that is far removed from the front, hiding behind women who were put in front of him as a shield, he said. I think it really just speaks to just how false his narrative has been over the years. Leon E. Panetta, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, said in an interview with NBC News on Tuesday that the troops orders were to kill Bin Laden. But it was also, as part of their rules of engagement, if he suddenly put up his hands and offered to be captured, then they would have the opportunity, obviously, to capture him, he said.
Some of the confusion in the accounts of the raid stemmed from the difference in time zones. Bin Laden had actually been killed early Monday by Pakistan time, not late on Sunday as had been initially reported.
Meanwhile, the White House continued to grapple with the question of whether to release the photo of the dead Bin Laden, or other documentary evidence. Administration officials said that they are trying to determine whether the visceral desire among Americans and some skeptics to see proof outweighs the potential that such images might further inflame Bin Ladens disciples.
The photo, taken after Bin Laden was killed, clearly identifies the Qaeda leader, according to one official who has viewed it. It looks like him, covered in blood with a hole in his head, the official said.
White House officials say they are still deciding what to do, although one official said that they were leaning toward releasing the photo. Mr. Panetta told NBC News that he did not think there was any question that ultimately a photograph would be presented to the public.
Scott Shane contributed reporting from Washington, and Neil MacFarquhar from New York.
A version of this article appeared in print on May 4, 2011, on page A1 of the New York edition with the headline: NEW U.S. ACCOUNT IN BIN LADEN RAID: HE WAS UNARMED.
Abbottabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- U.S. officials issued a revised version of the nighttime raid that killed the world's most-notorious terrorist, including additional details that revealed other options were on the table before settling on the assault. The 40-minute raid early Monday in Pakistan left Osama bin Laden dead, along with four others in the complex that sits on a mountainous region near the capital. Bin Laden was not armed during the raid, but he put up resistance when U.S. forces entered the compound, the White House said. Officials had earlier said that bin Laden was an active participant in the firefight, implying that he was armed and gave the U.S. Navy SEALs little choice but to shoot him down. After the operation, U.S. forces departed with the al Qaeda leader's body, nearly 10 years after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States. "It was a staggering undertaking and there was no one else, I believe, other than an American group of military warriors who could do it," U.S. Vice President Joe Biden said Tuesday. "And the world is a safer place today, not only for the American people but for all people." Officials on Tuesday offered new details about the raid and clarified earlier accounts. U.S. military personnel arrived on two helicopters, attacked the residence and started moving methodically from room to room, said White House Press Secretary Jay Carney. They were engaged in a firefight throughout the operation, he said. There were no armed guards around the compound, according to a U.S. official who is not authorized to speak on the record.
Original plan CIA Director Leon Panetta told PBS "NewsHour" that the original plan was for two Black Hawk helicopters, carrying 25 people, to go into the compound. The first was to go over a courtyard, while the second was to go over the roof. But the first helicopter had problems and had to set down on the ground, prompting the second one to do the same, he said. "Both teams immediately went into the compound itself. They had to breach about three or four walls in order to get in there," he said. "They were able to do that and they immediately then went into the compound itself and fought their way up to the third floor." Officials called the U.S. operation a surgical raid -- and said it was conducted by a small team and designed to minimize collateral damage. The compound is in Abbottabad, about 50 kilometers (31 miles) north of the Pakistani capital of Islamabad. The city sits in a region where most residents are army personnel. When it was first built, the compound was secluded and reachable by only a dirt road, officials have said. In recent years, more residences were built around it, but it remained by far the largest and most heavily secured property in the area. The compound had outer walls up to 18 feet tall topped with barbed wire, with two security gates and a series of internal walls that sectioned off different portions of the compound, senior administration officials have said.
Bin Laden "didn't hold his hands up" Months of intelligence work determined that the compound was custom-built to hide a high-value terrorism suspect, almost certainly bin Laden. There was no telephone or Internet service at the dwelling, which was valued at more than $1 million. Its occupants burned their trash rather than leave it out for collection as other area residents did. Besides the bin Laden family, two other families lived in the compound, according to Carney. On the first floor of the building, two al Qaeda couriers were killed in addition to a woman caught in the crossfire, he said. Bin Laden and his family lived on the second and third floors, and they were cleared last, with bin Laden killed toward the end of the siege, Carney said. Bin Laden was not armed but did put up resistance when U.S. forces entered the compound, he said. According to the U.S. official, who is not authorized to speak on the record, bin Laden "didn't hold his hands up and surrender." A woman in the room with him -- believed to be bin Laden's wife -- rushed U.S. forces and was shot in the leg, but not killed, said Carney. Officials had earlier said that bin Laden was shielded during the shooting by women, including his wife. Five of the approximately two dozen people in the compound were killed -- the two couriers, the woman, bin Laden and his son, said the U.S. official who sought anonymity. Panetta told PBS he didn't think bin Laden said anything to U.S. forces before he was killed. "To be frank, I don't think he had a lot of time to say anything. It was a firefight going up that compound and by the time they got to the third floor and found bin Laden, I think this was all split second action on the part of the SEALs," he said.
Team practiced on a replica of the compound Prior to the assault, U.S. intelligence officials provided detailed satellite images of the compound, which was enough to construct a replica, according to a senior defense official. Team members practiced on that mock-up, and knew the height of every wall, and which gates to go through, the official said. Obama and senior administration officials have said that no U.S. forces were harmed during the operation. According to the senior administration officials, intelligence work determined at the beginning of 2011 that bin Laden might be at the compound in Pakistan. By mid-February, the intelligence was strong enough to begin considering action. To discuss that intelligence and develop a plan, Obama chaired five National Security Council meetings from between March and April, with the last two on April 19 and April 28 -- last Thursday. The next day, on Friday, Obama gave the order for the mission, the officials said. Multiple options A U.S. official said multiple options were considered before settling on the assault. "A bombing would not have risked American lives but it might have left questions" as to whether bin Laden was killed, the official said. National security officials agreed "the best option is the one that gives proof," the official said. The key break involved one of bin Laden's trusted couriers, according to various officials. About two years ago, intelligence work identified where the courier and his brother lived and operated in Pakistan. It took until August of last year to find the compound in Abbottabad, they said. "When we saw the compound where the brothers lived, we were shocked by what we saw -- an extraordinarily unique compound," one senior administration official said. "The compound sits on a large plot of land in an area that was relatively secluded when it was built. It is roughly eight times larger than the other homes in the area." Noting that the courier and his brother had no discernible source of wealth to live at such a property, intelligence analysts concluded the compound was "custom-built to hide someone of extraordinary significance," the official said, adding: "Everything was consistent with what experts thought Osama bin Laden's compound would look like."
I can guess kwa nini Bush kachomoa. USA sasa hivi ni jubilation za ushindi wa kuuawa kwa Osama. Ushindi huu umeletwa na Democrats, kwa kazi iliyowashinda Republicans ambao ndo waliianzisha vita hii. Kama utakumbuka wakati wa kampeni za Obama alimlaumu sana Bush kwa kwend Iraq wakati adui wa Marekani ni Osama ambaye alikuwa kaishambulia USA kwao. saddam hakuwa tishio lolote kwa US na maslahi yake huko Mashariki ya Kati na kwingineko, wakati Osama alishawashambulia na aliendelea kutamba kuwashambulia Marekani popote duniani. So ngoma iliyomshinda Bush kwa terms 2 (miaka 8) Obama kaiweza ndani ya Miaka 3., Kama Bush ange-concetrate kumtafuta Osama kwa resources zote walizokuwa nazo angeshaimaliza hii kazi siku nyingi. but kwa vile alizihamishia Iraq, (kwa faida yake au vinginevyo) then akakwama. So kwake kujitokeza kwenye sherehe kama hizo ingekuwa kupigwa dogo la uso 'live'. Kumbuka pia kuwa mwakani 2012 ni uchaguzi na Bush lazima aonekane anawa-support Republicans wenzake. Kujionesha kwake kushindwa kufanya kazi kutawaangusha Republicans mwakani.
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