Lissu awajibu wanaopinga TLS kumshitaki Makonda

[Nginana]

It is purely political if TLS didn't want to tarnish their Image they could have asked any of their members to open the Case but not to Open the Case as TLS. there are Serious Image risk for TLS to be involved as a society. Was this move approved by TLS members or was just a minority governing board decision? In major decision like this members were supposed to be consulted and extra ordinary meeting convened to get approval from members. Governing council erred they didn't do risk analysis to check whether there is any risk be reputational or whatever before approving and mowing ahead From my point of view TLS governing council don't know their duties they are Just their to rubber stamp what Tundu Lissu says

Are you better versed in how TLS should be run than Tundu Lissu?

 

[senzighe]

Tundu Lissu:
Dear all,

I've read the discussion on the decision to go after RC Paul Makonda aka Daudi Bashite, etc. with considerable interest.

The GC decision has sparked a very lively and healthy debate on what TLS should, or should not, do as a professional bar association.

I wish to clarify on a couple of points raised in this healthy debate.

One, will going after Makonda not be misinterpreted as politically motivated attack especially given TLS President's well-known partisanship in politics? ??

My answer is, that's a likelihood but so what??? If we all agree, and I hope we do, that Bashite has committed some very serious crimes as per the law established, then his status as Regional Commissioner, and apparently a President Magufuli favourite, should not be an issue for us.

Neither should my status or political position for that matter.

To hold otherwise is to render useless the notion of equality before the law. It'll be to sanctify the dangerous notion that some people are, because of their personal or economic or political or some other, status are, to borrow George Orwell's phrase, more equal than others.

The central question for us should, therefore, be: are we legally empowered to commence legal action in a situation of widespread impunity by those in power and by law enforcement establishment? ??

Does the law allow private citizens, or statutory bodies such as the TLS, to do what the Governing Council has resolved to do???

If it does then who's better placed to do so than our collective selves, who've a legal mandate to protect rule of law???

In fact, if you ask me, going after Makonda aka Bashite, will send a much more powerful message that no one is above the law than going after small fry.

And, to me, that's especially important in the current climate of a full-blown dictatorship than at any other time in our history.

Two, why Makonda and not a thousand and one others who commit serious crimes daily???

My answer is simple: why not Makonda and his thugs who committed their crimes so brazenly and are being protected by the state so shamelessly???

The evidence against them appears overwhelming. There are eyewitness accounts, an official investigative report commissioned by the minister who's soon sacked and, on top of it all, a CCTV video clip.

If we cannot go after this state-sponsored or state-protected criminal, even with evidence as strong as this appears to be, then all our talk about defending rule of law will be an empty mockery, if not a sacrilegious lie.

Yes, there'll be noise, lots of it, that we're activists or, apparently worse, politicians.

Our refrain to such provocations should be: were the crimes committed or not? ?? If so, is taking legal action, by whoever is entitled to do so, right or wrong???

I once again thank you all for this healthy debate. TL.

NOSENSE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[nkese]

The so called " impunity" attitude seconded by the state is unacceptable. What Makonda,Mtungi and Lipumba ( the trio's syndicate)are doing is to be stopped at any cost.The daresome will surely do it. Wish the moves bear fruits.

 

[Bashite mimi]

Ha ha ha haaaa

Yale yale kama anajiamini angesubiri huko anapotaka kwenda kufungua kesi, hamna kitu kipya hapo zaidi ya kuisoma namba.

Yaani ni kama hatuna Raisi, imefika muda hili jambo litanyoosha hawa viongozi wanaoshika vyeo na kutaka kutanua kwa kula pesa za wananchi ovyo na kuvunja sheria.

Kideo cha jana kasema mwenyewe kuwa awaku hii ni moto moto kwao.

Angelaa kimya tu, kuliko kuandika ambacho hata akijaleta jipya. Hapa aiseeeeeee inasikitisha

Kweli Magufuli ni Kiongozi aliyeletwa na Mungu.

Lori hiloooooo linapita kwa kasi

Hapa kazi tu

Makonda oyeeeee

duuuuuuu[emoji15] [emoji15] [emoji15]

 

[Bashite mimi]

Tumsamehe tu cocochanel maana inaonekana hajaelewa chochote hata alichoandika hakielewi pia

[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] walah

 

[msnajo]

only with original certificate can understand you guy.
go Lisu go bro, wasikupangie wakati wao hawataki kupangiwa

Hahahah! Really? Your comments has proved beyond reasonable doubt that, Lizabon and his/her colleague are among them!! so you wont see them here!!

 

[funaku]

Nikuulize Ki leiman kabisa. Ni mahakama gani ilimuhukumu Lowasa hadi kila siku mnamuita fisadi. ?

Kamati ya Bunge

 

[Shimba ya Buyenze]

The language used here is not of the learned brother. Nobody can be judged as a thug until proven by the Court of Law. TLS you dont have a learned brother as a your president.Shame on you

Do you mean they have a (political) thug as their president then?

 

[funaku]

Some people are lazy of thinking they are easy to conclude without thinking. Its True Lissu is an opposition politician but this CDM membership cannot limit him as a TLS president to take actions against any person who commit crimes just because the suspected are from other party! This is high level stupidity! No one is above the law be it CHADEMA, CCM, CUF, ACT, what matters is the person committed crime? That's all! Magufuli for instance takes action to CHADEMA or any other opposition party members, do you think he is a political affiliated? If Yes you are right, if No why you guys go against Tundu Lissu to take action against Makonda? Stop your stupidity!

Only lazy one can ignore the so called "conflict of interest"

 

[funaku]

Mbona mnajadili elimu ya Bashite tu? Lissu pia amejadili issue ya Bashite kuvamia Clouds TV. What is your defense???? Was he right or wrong? idiocy can be arduous..

nini kinakufanya useme kulikuwa na uvamizi clouds??hadith ya Ruge??

 

[afrolife]

[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] walah

Hahaaaa ... Cocochanel "has entered mens' toilet" today.

 

[mamaudaku]

Tundu Lissu:
Dear all,

I've read the discussion on the decision to go after RC Paul Makonda aka Daudi Bashite, etc. with considerable interest.

The GC decision has sparked a very lively and healthy debate on what TLS should, or should not, do as a professional bar association.

I wish to clarify on a couple of points raised in this healthy debate.

One, will going after Makonda not be misinterpreted as politically motivated attack especially given TLS President's well-known partisanship in politics? ??

My answer is, that's a likelihood but so what??? If we all agree, and I hope we do, that Bashite has committed some very serious crimes as per the law established, then his status as Regional Commissioner, and apparently a President Magufuli favourite, should not be an issue for us.

Neither should my status or political position for that matter.

To hold otherwise is to render useless the notion of equality before the law. It'll be to sanctify the dangerous notion that some people are, because of their personal or economic or political or some other, status are, to borrow George Orwell's phrase, more equal than others.

The central question for us should, therefore, be: are we legally empowered to commence legal action in a situation of widespread impunity by those in power and by law enforcement establishment? ??

Does the law allow private citizens, or statutory bodies such as the TLS, to do what the Governing Council has resolved to do???

If it does then who's better placed to do so than our collective selves, who've a legal mandate to protect rule of law???

In fact, if you ask me, going after Makonda aka Bashite, will send a much more powerful message that no one is above the law than going after small fry.

And, to me, that's especially important in the current climate of a full-blown dictatorship than at any other time in our history.

Two, why Makonda and not a thousand and one others who commit serious crimes daily???

My answer is simple: why not Makonda and his thugs who committed their crimes so brazenly and are being protected by the state so shamelessly???

The evidence against them appears overwhelming. There are eyewitness accounts, an official investigative report commissioned by the minister who's soon sacked and, on top of it all, a CCTV video clip.

If we cannot go after this state-sponsored or state-protected criminal, even with evidence as strong as this appears to be, then all our talk about defending rule of law will be an empty mockery, if not a sacrilegious lie.

Yes, there'll be noise, lots of it, that we're activists or, apparently worse, politicians.

Our refrain to such provocations should be: were the crimes committed or not? ?? If so, is taking legal action, by whoever is entitled to do so, right or wrong???

I once again thank you all for this healthy debate. TL.

Go
Lisu your the best [emoji123]

 

[Boondocks]

Just like Makonda's so called war on drugs....I don't see this going anywhere.

For one, it's hard to shake off the accusation that going after him like that isn't politically motivated.

Two, I don't think Tundu Lisu can prove that Paul Makonda is not Paul Makonda but rather he is Daudi Bashite.

So this whole going after him thing is a big 'ol dog and pony show that will yield nothing in the end.

It is just gimmickry that will score a few political popularity points for CHADEMA [yes...TLS is now an auxiliary wing of CDM].

Jack Ryan, shadow recruit...

 

[BEDO NYALUTOGO]

Yes TLS presida, the issue is that, were the crime committed? We can't turn our back on crime just because minority connect claimants with politics, It's ridiculous to by pass crime done by high ranked people while at a time punishing fry the same manner of act, won't that be dictatorship state? Of course it is. Keep on TLS just sue him let right stand aside and vise versa

Andika kiswahili mkuu umeandika pumba [emoji16][emoji23]

 

[BEDO NYALUTOGO]

Umemuelewa lakini umekimbilia kukomenti?

Kama wewe umeelewa kunamtu atashindwa kuelewa kweli.

 

[MAGALEMWA]

Unapoteza muda na maneno ya kitoto tu hayo! Kama unaamini hivyo basi na wewe zamu inakuja

Poa sana

 

[ndoze]

English ya lissu ni balaa aise, sidhani kama Bashite na sizonje wataelewa itabidi wamwite professa kabudi awatafsirie alichoandika mwanafunz wake.

 

[laki si pesa.]

Tundu Lissu ni shujaa .

wenzako wanacomment kwa kiingereza we unaleta kinyankyusa.....mnyakyusa gani wewe hata kutunga sentesi moja ya kiingereza huwezi.....halafu eti unamiliki kiwanda....labda kiwanda cha kutengeneza gongo

 

[hakika utakufa]

Jamani HIV huyu lisu anataka kufungwa kwa uongo? Mfano jamaa akasema hana hicho cheti cha Form four na ana cha LA saba? Itakuwa je

Unawezaje kusema una cha la 7 wakati ulisema unaelim ya chuo kikuu?na hivyo vingine viko wp?

 

[madudeyahatari]

Lissu Tuna mambo mengi ya kitaifa, achana na Makonda it's waste of time dealing with this guy.
Wewe kama chairman wa TLS, kuna mambo mengi ya kitaifa kuhusu wananchi kupata haki zao za msingi .
Don't deal with minor thing. Deal with big issues man.
Suala la Makonda litajiset automatically soon