Lissu awajibu wanaopinga TLS kumshitaki Makonda

Lissu awajibu wanaopinga TLS kumshitaki Makonda

Just like Makonda's so called war on drugs....I don't see this going anywhere.

For one, it's hard to shake off the accusation that going after him like that isn't politically motivated.

Two, I don't think Tundu Lisu can prove that Paul Makonda is not Paul Makonda but rather he is Daudi Bashite.

So this whole going after him thing is a big 'ol dog and pony show that will yield nothing in the end.

It is just gimmickry that will score a few political popularity points for CHADEMA [yes...TLS is now an auxiliary wing of CDM].
I think their motive is to fry him so that he can produce his original birth and academic certificates.
The accused has gone mum in this issue, I strongly believe in the rule of law, reefer to the current situation going on as far as certificates are concerned.
strong advice you to advice Mr RC to come out and say something about all these allegations.
JK once said that if allegations are let go, then they become true, even is they are not.
To my fellow leaned friends I would rather urge you to build up your allegations in a manner that you convince the bar that this is not real makonda beyond any reasonable doubt.
I stand to be corrected on this.
 
Ingawa mimi si mwanasheria na sijui kiingereza lakini nadhani TLS wanataka kutusaidia.

Gwajima alitoa hoja kuwa ndugu yake cocochanel alifoji cheti cha form four ili aingie nyegezi. Huyo ndugu alikaa kimya na kwa kawaida ukikaa kimya maana yake ni kukubali mashitaka (au siyo waungwana?). Mkuu wa nchi anasema yeyote aliyefoji cheti lazima aondoke katika utumishi wa umma kabla ya tarehe 15 May la sivyo kifungo cha miaka 7. Sie walalahoi tunabaki tunajiuliza je, kiongozi yule alifoji au la. TLS inataka kutusaidia ili tujue ukweli ili maisha yasonge mbele. Ukumbuke si salama kuwa na kiongozi ambaye anatuhumiwa maana mtu hasomi shule gizani. Naomba kuwasilisha

Yote hayo umeandika kisa mtu alisema.

Ha ha haaaaa


Basi nasema wewe ni.....

Utakachojazia kivyovyote ndivyo basi.

Hapa kazi tu

Usinitag kama hauna kitu cha kunimbiza niingie shimoni na kujifukia, ila natepa kwasababu najua hauna kitu ni kufata mkumbo wa wanaotaka Makonda aondolewe ili wawe free kuvunja sheria, RC ni mchapa kazi na amesoma huyoooooo anapiga kazi tu.

Tuzidi kumwambia

Kanyaga twendeeeeeee

Makonda oyeeeeee
 
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Had Makonda been tried at any time back and found not guilty of the issues TLS want to present to the court? Is there any precedence in record to support your thinking?
1. It is 'has', not 'had'.

2. What precedence are you talking about here?

3. Don't sling around big words just so you sound like you know something. You look ridiculous.
 
Tundu Lissu, with due respect, you are not more equal than others but you are worse than a devil with little than being close to sanity.

You are selfishly using, as you have plainly put it, your status or political position to character assasinate individuals whom you perceive to outshine you.

You are known to carry out personal vendetta to achieve your political aspirations. Now you want to use TLS a platform for the same.

REFLECT UPON YOUR EGO.
Wewe hii ni nini kama siyo personal vendetta?

Unamshabulia Lissu badala ya hoja iliyopo kuwa makonda aka bashite na ushahidi uliopo mahakama haistahili kumhukumu?

Tafakuri inaelekea una akili lakini zinashikiwa na bashite
 
I think their motive is to fry him so that he can produce his original birth and academic certificates.
The accused has gone mum in this issue, I strongly believe in the rule of law, reefer to the current situation going on as far as certificates are concerned.
strong advice you to advice Mr RC to come out and say something about all these allegations.
JK once said that if allegations are let go, then they become true, even is they are not.
To my fellow leaned friends I would rather urge you to build up your allegations in a manner that you convince the bar that this is not real makonda beyond any reasonable doubt.
I stand to be corrected on this.
This is funny!
 
The language used here is not of the learned brother. Nobody can be judged as a thug until proven by the Court of Law. TLS you dont have a learned brother as a your president.Shame on you
Is this a learned brother language? Bwa ha ha
Very well understood..

We want to see justice prevailing in all crimes that have been committed openly by Bashite..

The evidence(s) are so vividly..

No one to stop u.. Go Lissu Go..!!
 
Sijaona majibu hapo....

Moja ....kwa nini TLS hawajaenda vs Mbowe aliyetuhumiwa na Dawa za kulevya?
Mbili Kwa nini hawajaenda au kuongelea majaji waliotuhumiwa kuharibu kesi za ngada??
Wasiwasi wako nini, kama hana hatia mahakama si itamsafisha? Nilitegemea uunge mkono hatua hii ili mpendwa wako awe safi mbele ya sheria kuliko giza hili nene lililomtanda.
 
Tundu Lissu:
Dear all,

I've read the discussion on the decision to go after RC Paul Makonda aka Daudi Bashite, etc. with considerable interest.

The GC decision has sparked a very lively and healthy debate on what TLS should, or should not, do as a professional bar association.

I wish to clarify on a couple of points raised in this healthy debate.

One, will going after Makonda not be misinterpreted as politically motivated attack especially given TLS President's well-known partisanship in politics? ??

My answer is, that's a likelihood but so what??? If we all agree, and I hope we do, that Bashite has committed some very serious crimes as per the law established, then his status as Regional Commissioner, and apparently a President Magufuli favourite, should not be an issue for us.

Neither should my status or political position for that matter.

To hold otherwise is to render useless the notion of equality before the law. It'll be to sanctify the dangerous notion that some people are, because of their personal or economic or political or some other, status are, to borrow George Orwell's phrase, more equal than others.

The central question for us should, therefore, be: are we legally empowered to commence legal action in a situation of widespread impunity by those in power and by law enforcement establishment? ??

Does the law allow private citizens, or statutory bodies such as the TLS, to do what the Governing Council has resolved to do???

If it does then who's better placed to do so than our collective selves, who've a legal mandate to protect rule of law???

In fact, if you ask me, going after Makonda aka Bashite, will send a much more powerful message that no one is above the law than going after small fry.

And, to me, that's especially important in the current climate of a full-blown dictatorship than at any other time in our history.

Two, why Makonda and not a thousand and one others who commit serious crimes daily???

My answer is simple: why not Makonda and his thugs who committed their crimes so brazenly and are being protected by the state so shamelessly???

The evidence against them appears overwhelming. There are eyewitness accounts, an official investigative report commissioned by the minister who's soon sacked and, on top of it all, a CCTV video clip.

If we cannot go after this state-sponsored or state-protected criminal, even with evidence as strong as this appears to be, then all our talk about defending rule of law will be an empty mockery, if not a sacrilegious lie.

Yes, there'll be noise, lots of it, that we're activists or, apparently worse, politicians.

Our refrain to such provocations should be: were the crimes committed or not? ?? If so, is taking legal action, by whoever is entitled to do so, right or wrong???

I once again thank you all for this healthy debate. TL.
Kumbe wameamua kumshitaki kwa lugha ya kidhungu. Ingekuwa Kwakiswahili wasingeweza!
 
I think that is not right sir, the issue is treating all Tanzanian equal to the eyes of the law, if a teacher can be quilt for falsification case why not RC?, do you want to tell us they are classes of people in Tanzania who are above the law on basis that they are politician?

Am not opposed to Lissu's ambition of suing RC Makonda. What am saying is that, Lissu has a lot to do. And RC Makonda's issue is already in the hands of Ethics Committee. I don't see the reason why TLS under the leadership of Lissu is also planning to sue him even before the Ethics Committee has worked on it. It is a wastage of time for everyone to deal with RC Makonda
 
But why hasn't clouds Media sought legal intervention in person?
Tundu Lisu and the so called TLS governing council were supposed to ask themselves that question before jumping to swim into the unknown River that you don't know whether there are crocodiles or not. The TLS governing council have the Case to answer on this. May I ask is the governing council full of learned brothers and sisters or is it just a collection of so called lawyers?
 
Some people are lazy of thinking they are easy to conclude without thinking. Its True Lissu is an opposition politician but this CDM membership cannot limit him as a TLS president to take actions against any person who commit crimes just because the suspected are from other party! This is high level stupidity! No one is above the law be it CHADEMA, CCM, CUF, ACT, what matters is the person committed crime? That's all! Magufuli for instance takes action to CHADEMA or any other opposition party members, do you think he is a political affiliated? If Yes you are right, if No why you guys go against Tundu Lissu to take action against Makonda? Stop your stupidity!
 
Reefer to your previous post about post as far this issue is concerned, you once said that if the accuser doesn't have evidence they should shut up once and for good.
 
1. It is 'has', not 'had'.

2. What precedence are you talking about here?

3. Don't sling around big words just so you sound like you know something. You look ridiculous.

Lets zero on the agenda lad. Pardon my poor English.

I am asking if there is any record to prove that Makonda had been tried on the issues which concerns TLS today and the court found him not guilty.

That will help me to understand your thinking pattern.
 

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