Lissu awajibu wanaopinga TLS kumshitaki Makonda

[Crimea]

Hii lugha bibi yake kule singida ataelewa nini?

 

[Gagnija]

You still believe that what they say about RC Makonda is true!

that's for the court to decide.

 

[Crucial Man]

Hii lugha bibi yake kule singida ataelewa nini?

Hajamuandikia bibi yake kawaandikia wasomi wenzake, hili bandiko alilipost kwenye group lao la Tls.
Kama hujamuelewa subiri siku akiandika kwa kinyaramba.baffoon .

 

[Sandinistas]

Am not opposed to Lissu's ambition of suing RC Makonda. What am saying is that, Lissu has a lot to do. And RC Makonda's issue is already in the hands of Ethics Committee. I don't see the reason why TLS under the leadership of Lissu is also planning to sue him even before the Ethics Committee has worked on it. It is a wastage of time for everyone to deal with RC Makonda

The Leadership and Ethics Commission and a court of law are totally different entities. Why are you scared of a court case. Is it because you know something is amiss?

 

[Mdudu halisi]

Bashite seems more hooligan than a government officer. Let him be imprisoned for commiting a forgery, nyambaaf!

 

[Nginana]

What we must strive to avoid at any cost in our system of governance is a state of impunity. Committed crimes should promptly be investigated and the alleged culprits brought before justice. There should never be politicking in this case. Remember, the culture of impunity perpetuates anarchy.

 

[mwengeso]

that's for the court to decide.

So you agree with Lissu that he has evidence which state machineries do not have or they do but purposely are protecting an individual!

Very unfortunate...!! with common sense.

Let me be frank, Lissu is only blowing a whistle

 

[HAMY-D]

Sijaona majibu hapo....

Moja ....kwa nini TLS hawajaenda vs Mbowe aliyetuhumiwa na Dawa za kulevya?
Mbili Kwa nini hawajaenda au kuongelea majaji waliotuhumiwa kuharibu kesi za ngada??

Bila shaka wewe ni Bashite!

Chombo pekee kinachohusika na kushtaki makosa ya madawa ya kulevya (Jinai) ni Jamhuri na sio vinginevyo. Swali zuri lilipaswa kuwa, kwanini Jamhuri haijamshtaki Mbowe!?

 

[MLAU]

Povu tu jpm mwenyewe phd yake ilihojiwa na Ben akampoteza.

Mtahangaika sana haki inapiganiwa haiombwi. Ingia kwenye mapambano.

Unapoteza muda na maneno ya kitoto tu hayo! Kama unaamini hivyo basi na wewe zamu inakuja

 

[Mkirindi]

The language used here is not of the learned brother. Nobody can be judged as a thug until proven by the Court of Law. TLS you dont have a learned brother as a your president.Shame on you

If lissu believes in what he is saying and what he stands for is justice, than how come he call somebody A thug and a criminal, while the person has not be judged so by a court of law. Isn't he also having the same dictatorial tendencies as the one he calls so.

Lissu he is abusing TLS and unfortunately this will be his downfall, as very soon he will create divisions within TLS, and those who oppose his rhetorics will called names by him and his party followers.

 

[redio]

ina maana umetumia Kingereza kumuuliza kama yeye ni msomi au una maanisha nini? Kweli Jamii forum kuna raha. [emoji3] [emoji3] [emoji3]

 

[Chaliifrancisco]

Anyone who talks shit about TLS is a serious joke and a complete asshole.

They must be chocked to death, they non human, how can a human being be so joyous on the face of evil?

 

[Gagnija]

So you agree with Lissu that he has evidence which state machineries do not have or they do but purposely are protecting an individual!

Very unfortunate...!! with common sense.

Let me be frank, Lissu is only blowing a whistle

relax.

 

[mwengeso]

relax.

Do not worry I am karasingh

 

[Decree Holder]

Huna lolote ulijualo. Lisu kachapia, kama kawaida yake.

Hicho alichoandika ni kiingereza cha kisheria waliosoma language skills for lawyers wanajua kuna wakati kiingereza cha kisheria kinakinzana na misingi ya lugha, kama umewahi kusoma statute yoyote au judgement ya mahakama utaelewa kama ni lay person ndo basi tena mwanasheria anajivunia lugha ya kisheria usitegemee itanyooka kama lugha ya kawaida, ndiyo maana aliowaandikia wanasheria wanajua ametumia lugha sahihi

 

[MLAU]

If anybody thinks that Tundu Lissu and his TLS governing council are wrong about sending Makonda to court he/she should reply to what Lissu has said. They should not start talking about Mbowe or say Lissu is a criminal. What matters is an answer to the question: Are they legally correct? If so then the case should continue. And if you think that Mbowe or Lissu (or anyone else for that matter) has broken the law you are legally entitled to send them to court

Tundu Lissu ana hasira na Rais Magufuli hilo liko wazi.

Makonda hana kesi yoyote hapo ya kujibu.

Moja hakuna uvamizi ulifanyika ktk kituo cha Clouds kwa taarifa yao.

Pili Elimu ya Makonda iko clear sasa sijui unategemea nini ktk kesi yako ya kitoto.

TLS fanyeni kazi zenu sio kutafuta umaarufa.Tundu Lissu asije akashangaa hata Jimbo lake anakosa ubunge mneweza kuona kama kaonewa vile kumbe ndiyo kashindwa kihalali kabisa kwa jinsi navyojua uelekeo wa jimbo lake.

 

[Pakawa]

Naona TLS ikitembea Katika ubunifu wa kimamb na gwjm.

CCTV ilionyesha mzimu wa bashite au kimamb na gwjm waliitengeneza?! Tusishabikie mambo yanayotaka kulibomoa taifa. Kwa nini mtu mmoja aonekane ni malaika na wengine ni mashetani? Justice can be delayed but never DENIED!

 

[Bandiwe]

Tundu Lissu:
Dear all,

I've read the discussion on the decision to go after RC Paul Makonda aka Daudi Bashite, etc. with considerable interest.

The GC decision has sparked a very lively and healthy debate on what TLS should, or should not, do as a professional bar association.

I wish to clarify on a couple of points raised in this healthy debate.

One, will going after Makonda not be misinterpreted as politically motivated attack especially given TLS President's well-known partisanship in politics? ??

My answer is, that's a likelihood but so what??? If we all agree, and I hope we do, that Bashite has committed some very serious crimes as per the law established, then his status as Regional Commissioner, and apparently a President Magufuli favourite, should not be an issue for us.

Neither should my status or political position for that matter.

To hold otherwise is to render useless the notion of equality before the law. It'll be to sanctify the dangerous notion that some people are, because of their personal or economic or political or some other, status are, to borrow George Orwell's phrase, more equal than others.

The central question for us should, therefore, be: are we legally empowered to commence legal action in a situation of widespread impunity by those in power and by law enforcement establishment? ??

Does the law allow private citizens, or statutory bodies such as the TLS, to do what the Governing Council has resolved to do???

If it does then who's better placed to do so than our collective selves, who've a legal mandate to protect rule of law???

In fact, if you ask me, going after Makonda aka Bashite, will send a much more powerful message that no one is above the law than going after small fry.

And, to me, that's especially important in the current climate of a full-blown dictatorship than at any other time in our history.

Two, why Makonda and not a thousand and one others who commit serious crimes daily???

My answer is simple: why not Makonda and his thugs who committed their crimes so brazenly and are being protected by the state so shamelessly???

The evidence against them appears overwhelming. There are eyewitness accounts, an official investigative report commissioned by the minister who's soon sacked and, on top of it all, a CCTV video clip.

If we cannot go after this state-sponsored or state-protected criminal, even with evidence as strong as this appears to be, then all our talk about defending rule of law will be an empty mockery, if not a sacrilegious lie.

Yes, there'll be noise, lots of it, that we're activists or, apparently worse, politicians.

Our refrain to such provocations should be: were the crimes committed or not? ?? If so, is taking legal action, by whoever is entitled to do so, right or wrong???

I once again thank you all for this healthy debate. TL.

TLS utaigeuza chama cha upinzani....poor Lesso

 

[mwengeso]

What we must strive to avoid at any cost in our system of governance is a state of impunity. Committed crimes should promptly be investigated and the alleged culprits brought before justice. There should never be politicking in this case. Remember, the culture of impunity perpetuates anarchy.

Well said but lacking suporting evidence to ascertain that there is politicking in this case, as you have puy it.

 

[Umba Tuku]

Hivi bashite ni nani ? 🙁 eti kuliko hata kule wazungu mfyuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu............................"