Lissu awajibu wanaopinga TLS kumshitaki Makonda

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Tundu Lissu:
Dear all,

I've read the discussion on the decision to go after RC Paul Makonda aka Daudi Bashite, etc. with considerable interest.

The GC decision has sparked a very lively and healthy debate on what TLS should, or should not, do as a professional bar association.

I wish to clarify on a couple of points raised in this healthy debate.

One, will going after Makonda not be misinterpreted as politically motivated attack especially given TLS President's well-known partisanship in politics? ??

My answer is, that's a likelihood but so what??? If we all agree, and I hope we do, that Bashite has committed some very serious crimes as per the law established, then his status as Regional Commissioner, and apparently a President Magufuli favourite, should not be an issue for us.

Neither should my status or political position for that matter.

To hold otherwise is to render useless the notion of equality before the law. It'll be to sanctify the dangerous notion that some people are, because of their personal or economic or political or some other, status are, to borrow George Orwell's phrase, more equal than others.

The central question for us should, therefore, be: are we legally empowered to commence legal action in a situation of widespread impunity by those in power and by law enforcement establishment? ??

Does the law allow private citizens, or statutory bodies such as the TLS, to do what the Governing Council has resolved to do???

If it does then who's better placed to do so than our collective selves, who've a legal mandate to protect rule of law???

In fact, if you ask me, going after Makonda aka Bashite, will send a much more powerful message that no one is above the law than going after small fry.

And, to me, that's especially important in the current climate of a full-blown dictatorship than at any other time in our history.

Two, why Makonda and not a thousand and one others who commit serious crimes daily???

My answer is simple: why not Makonda and his thugs who committed their crimes so brazenly and are being protected by the state so shamelessly???

The evidence against them appears overwhelming. There are eyewitness accounts, an official investigative report commissioned by the minister who's soon sacked and, on top of it all, a CCTV video clip.

If we cannot go after this state-sponsored or state-protected criminal, even with evidence as strong as this appears to be, then all our talk about defending rule of law will be an empty mockery, if not a sacrilegious lie.

Yes, there'll be noise, lots of it, that we're activists or, apparently worse, politicians.

Our refrain to such provocations should be: were the crimes committed or not? ?? If so, is taking legal action, by whoever is entitled to do so, right or wrong???

I once again thank you all for this healthy debate. TL.
 
Tundu Lissu:
Dear all,

I've read the discussion on the decision to go after RC Paul Makonda aka Daudi Bashite, etc. with considerable interest.

The GC decision has sparked a very lively and healthy debate on what TLS should, or should not, do as a professional bar association.

I wish to clarify on a couple of points raised in this healthy debate.

One, will going after Makonda not be misinterpreted as politically motivated attack especially given TLS President's well-known partisanship in politics? ??

My answer is, that's a likelihood but so what??? If we all agree, and I hope we do, that Bashite has committed some very serious crimes as per the law established, then his status as Regional Commissioner, and apparently a President Magufuli favourite, should not be an issue for us.

Neither should my status or political position for that matter.

To hold otherwise is to render useless the notion of equality before the law. It'll be to sanctify the dangerous notion that some people are, because of their personal or economic or political or some other, status are, to borrow George Orwell's phrase, more equal than others.

The central question for us should, therefore, be: are we legally empowered to commence legal action in a situation of widespread impunity by those in power and by law enforcement establishment? ??

Does the law allow private citizens, or statutory bodies such as the TLS, to do what the Governing Council has resolved to do???

If it does then who's better placed to do so than our collective selves, who've a legal mandate to protect rule of law???

In fact, if you ask me, going after Makonda aka Bashite, will send a much more powerful message that no one is above the law than going after small fry.

And, to me, that's especially important in the current climate of a full-blown dictatorship than at any other time in our history.

Two, why Makonda and not a thousand and one others who commit serious crimes daily???

My answer is simple: why not Makonda and his thugs who committed their crimes so brazenly and are being protected by the state so shamelessly???

The evidence against them appears overwhelming. There are eyewitness accounts, an official investigative report commissioned by the minister who's soon sacked and, on top of it all, a CCTV video clip.

If we cannot go after this state-sponsored or state-protected criminal, even with evidence as strong as this appears to be, then all our talk about defending rule of law will be an empty mockery, if not a sacrilegious lie.

Yes, there'll be noise, lots of it, that we're activists or, apparently worse, politicians.

Our refrain to such provocations should be: were the crimes committed or not? ?? If so, is taking legal action, by whoever is entitled to do so, right or wrong???

I once again thank you all for this healthy debate. TL.
only with original certificate can understand you guy.
go Lisu go bro, wasikupangie wakati wao hawataki kupangiwa
 
My answer is simple: why not Makonda and his thugs who committed their crimes so brazenly and are being protected by the state so shamelessly???

. TL.
The language used here is not of the learned brother. Nobody can be judged as a thug until proven by the Court of Law. TLS you dont have a learned brother as a your president.Shame on you
 
Ha ha ha haaaa

Yale yale kama anajiamini angesubiri huko anapotaka kwenda kufungua kesi, hamna kitu kipya hapo zaidi ya kuisoma namba.

Yaani ni kama hatuna Raisi, imefika muda hili jambo litanyoosha hawa viongozi wanaoshika vyeo na kutaka kutanua kwa kula pesa za wananchi ovyo na kuvunja sheria.

Kideo cha jana kasema mwenyewe kuwa awaku hii ni moto moto kwao.

Angelaa kimya tu, kuliko kuandika ambacho hata akijaleta jipya. Hapa aiseeeeeee inasikitisha

Kweli Magufuli ni Kiongozi aliyeletwa na Mungu.

Lori hiloooooo linapita kwa kasi

Hapa kazi tu

Makonda oyeeeee
 
Just like Makonda's so called war on drugs....I don't see this going anywhere.

For one, it's hard to shake off the accusation that going after him like that isn't politically motivated.

Two, I don't think Tundu Lisu can prove that Paul Makonda is not Paul Makonda but rather he is Daudi Bashite.

So this whole going after him thing is a big 'ol dog and pony show that will yield nothing in the end.

It is just gimmickry that will score a few political popularity points for CHADEMA [yes...TLS is now an auxiliary wing of CDM].
 
Yes TLS presida, the issue is that, were the crime committed? We can't turn our back on crime just because minority connect claimants with politics, It's ridiculous to by pass crime done by high ranked people while at a time punishing fry the same manner of act, won't that be dictatorship state? Of course it is. Keep on TLS just sue him let right stand aside and vise versa
 
Yes TLS presida, the issue is that, were the crime committed? We can't turn our back on crime just because minority connect claimants with politics, It's ridiculous to by pass crime done by high ranked people while at a time punishing fry the same manner of act, won't that be dictatorship state? Of course it is. Keep on TLS just sue him let right stand aside and vise versa


Mweh!!!

Are you also a 'learned' one?
 
Ha ha ha haaaa

Yale yale kama anajiamini angesubiri huko anapotaka kwenda kufungua kesi, hamna kitu kipya hapo zaidi ya kuisoma namba.

Yaani ni kama hatuna Raisi, imefika muda hili jambo litanyoosha hawa viongozi wanaoshika vyeo na kutaka kutanua kwa kula pesa za wananchi ovyo na kuvunja sheria.

Kideo cha jana kasema mwenyewe kuwa awaku hii ni moto moto kwao.

Angelaa kimya tu, kuliko kuandika ambacho hata akijaleta jipya. Hapa aiseeeeeee inasikitisha

Kweli Magufuli ni Kiongozi aliyeletwa na Mungu.

Lori hiloooooo linapita kwa kasi

Hapa kazi tu

Makonda oyeeeee
Umeelewa lakini au ndo ushabiki tu
 
Bashite has become an albatross around the neck of the civilised society, He has committed crimes that would take only the egoists to bear. He has on one fell swoop descended from hero to zero, while at the same time jeopardizing the honour of the very same government he is supposed to serve. Astonishing, really astonishing indeed!!!
 
Just like Makonda's so called war on drugs....I don't see this going anywhere.

For one, it's hard to shake off the accusation that going after him like that isn't politically motivated.

Two, I don't think Tundu Lisu can prove that Paul Makonda is not Paul Makonda but rather he is Daudi Bashite.

So this whole going after him thing is a big 'ol dog and pony show that will yield nothing in the end.

It is just gimmickry that will score a few political popularity points for CHADEMA [yes...TLS is now an auxiliary wing of CDM].
Why u people are trying so hard to defend this Thug so called Bashite???? I don't get it.
 
Hii ipo kwenye whatsapp group la wanasheria ungeiacha hukohuko tu huku ni udaku tu mkuu!
Lazima wote tujue kinachoendelea maana hili ni jukwaa wazi na pana na kubwa kuliko majukwaa yote! Let justice prevail! I have come to understand now as to why every possible effort was employed to try to block his candidacy during TLS election !
 
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