Lissu awajibu wanaopinga TLS kumshitaki Makonda

[CURIOSITY_200]

Tundu Lissu:
Dear all,

I've read the discussion on the decision to go after RC Paul Makonda aka Daudi Bashite, etc. with considerable interest.

The GC decision has sparked a very lively and healthy debate on what TLS should, or should not, do as a professional bar association.

I wish to clarify on a couple of points raised in this healthy debate.

One, will going after Makonda not be misinterpreted as politically motivated attack especially given TLS President's well-known partisanship in politics? ??

My answer is, that's a likelihood but so what??? If we all agree, and I hope we do, that Bashite has committed some very serious crimes as per the law established, then his status as Regional Commissioner, and apparently a President Magufuli favourite, should not be an issue for us.

Neither should my status or political position for that matter.

To hold otherwise is to render useless the notion of equality before the law. It'll be to sanctify the dangerous notion that some people are, because of their personal or economic or political or some other, status are, to borrow George Orwell's phrase, more equal than others.

The central question for us should, therefore, be: are we legally empowered to commence legal action in a situation of widespread impunity by those in power and by law enforcement establishment? ??

Does the law allow private citizens, or statutory bodies such as the TLS, to do what the Governing Council has resolved to do???

If it does then who's better placed to do so than our collective selves, who've a legal mandate to protect rule of law???

In fact, if you ask me, going after Makonda aka Bashite, will send a much more powerful message that no one is above the law than going after small fry.

And, to me, that's especially important in the current climate of a full-blown dictatorship than at any other time in our history.

Two, why Makonda and not a thousand and one others who commit serious crimes daily???

My answer is simple: why not Makonda and his thugs who committed their crimes so brazenly and are being protected by the state so shamelessly???

The evidence against them appears overwhelming. There are eyewitness accounts, an official investigative report commissioned by the minister who's soon sacked and, on top of it all, a CCTV video clip.

If we cannot go after this state-sponsored or state-protected criminal, even with evidence as strong as this appears to be, then all our talk about defending rule of law will be an empty mockery, if not a sacrilegious lie.

Yes, there'll be noise, lots of it, that we're activists or, apparently worse, politicians.

Our refrain to such provocations should be: were the crimes committed or not? ?? If so, is taking legal action, by whoever is entitled to do so, right or wrong???

I once again thank you all for this healthy debate. TL.

Extremely so intelligent to be one of Tanzanians

 

[MAGALEMWA]

I real respected the status of TLS as a legal and allowable autonomy but it is tremendously showing political affiliation soon as tundu lisu came into power as unethical president.
Everything he does is inclined with politics ad of course the illegal and unfair politics sowing the so called zero sum game.

Lisu is loosing his credibility as time goes just because of subdueing to his political party or rather making his mbowe hapy at any cost.

Let's be careful of these rubbish politics orelse we gonna be loughed by by every whomever surrounds this planet

Makonda ndiye Daudi Albert Bashite au siye?

Alipata div 0 au hakupata?

Amesomaje digrii miaka 5 badala ya miaka 3?

Amepata madaraka kwa sifa zipi?

Kwa nini hashughulikiwi kama raia wengine?

Je raia wote wa Tanzania wana haki ya kufungua shauri mahakamani?

TLS wana haki hiyo hiyo au hawana?

Je ni Tundu Lissu anayekusudia kufungua mashtaka au TLS?

Tafakari halafu kawashauri unaowatumikia

 

[LuSilk]

Tundu Lissu:
Dear all,

I've read the discussion on the decision to go after RC Paul Makonda aka Daudi Bashite, etc. with considerable interest.

The GC decision has sparked a very lively and healthy debate on what TLS should, or should not, do as a professional bar association.

I wish to clarify on a couple of points raised in this healthy debate.

One, will going after Makonda not be misinterpreted as politically motivated attack especially given TLS President's well-known partisanship in politics? ??

My answer is, that's a likelihood but so what??? If we all agree, and I hope we do, that Bashite has committed some very serious crimes as per the law established, then his status as Regional Commissioner, and apparently a President Magufuli favourite, should not be an issue for us.

Neither should my status or political position for that matter.

To hold otherwise is to render useless the notion of equality before the law. It'll be to sanctify the dangerous notion that some people are, because of their personal or economic or political or some other, status are, to borrow George Orwell's phrase, more equal than others.

The central question for us should, therefore, be: are we legally empowered to commence legal action in a situation of widespread impunity by those in power and by law enforcement establishment? ??

Does the law allow private citizens, or statutory bodies such as the TLS, to do what the Governing Council has resolved to do???

If it does then who's better placed to do so than our collective selves, who've a legal mandate to protect rule of law???

In fact, if you ask me, going after Makonda aka Bashite, will send a much more powerful message that no one is above the law than going after small fry.

And, to me, that's especially important in the current climate of a full-blown dictatorship than at any other time in our history.

Two, why Makonda and not a thousand and one others who commit serious crimes daily???

My answer is simple: why not Makonda and his thugs who committed their crimes so brazenly and are being protected by the state so shamelessly???

The evidence against them appears overwhelming. There are eyewitness accounts, an official investigative report commissioned by the minister who's soon sacked and, on top of it all, a CCTV video clip.

If we cannot go after this state-sponsored or state-protected criminal, even with evidence as strong as this appears to be, then all our talk about defending rule of law will be an empty mockery, if not a sacrilegious lie.

Yes, there'll be noise, lots of it, that we're activists or, apparently worse, politicians.

Our refrain to such provocations should be: were the crimes committed or not? ?? If so, is taking legal action, by whoever is entitled to do so, right or wrong???

I once again thank you all for this healthy debate. TL.

As prophesized, Lissu is now using TLS as a political platform for personal interests. Sooner or later people who put him there will start regretting !!

 

[nyabhingi]

Bullshit..instead if you devote this intended energy resource and time to catch more drug dealers you could do the nation a favour. please save us of this nonsense. you only intend to save the interest of drug dealers and the local mafioso.

that was for makonda to do,and can you tell us how many drug kingpins have been prosecuted or behind bars out of those stupid names' lists?the less intelligent was deliberately messing up the fight to protect his beloved kingpins(kinje and all of them),so next time before you post your idiotic comment think twice.

 

[Malafyale]

Huh??

Translation please...coz I didn't get that!!!

Lissu on behalf of TLS decide to take Makonda aka Bashite before the Court of Law to answer the charge of State's forgery!
Seems like you opposing the move?

 

[treborx]

Kuna watu humu lazima mjitafakari upya. Mnamtetea Bashite, lakini wakati huo huo mnampongeza Rais kwa kuwaondoa wafanyakazi wa umma wenye vyeti feki. You should be ashamed of yourself. Kama una mtetea Bashite, ni lazima upinge pia kufurushwa kwa wenye vyeti vya kufoji. That is is the rule of the thumb.

 

[Mindi]

Just like Makonda's so called war on drugs....I don't see this going anywhere.

For one, it's hard to shake off the accusation that going after him like that isn't politically motivated.

Two, I don't think Tundu Lisu can prove that Paul Makonda is not Paul Makonda but rather he is Daudi Bashite.

So this whole going after him thing is a big 'ol dog and pony show that will yield nothing in the end.

It is just gimmickry that will score a few political popularity points for CHADEMA [yes...TLS is now an auxiliary wing of CDM].

Politically motivated or not, I have had enough of the filth from Makonda. I do not care whether anyone, even his own mother, lands an uppercut on him.
as for the issue of proof or not, lets not be clairvoyant.

 

[Nilufer]

No one is sure about makonda everyone is making speculations to get answers after all it is not important enough to be dealt by the president of TLS this is why people are suspecios about his leadership

Makonda ndiye Daudi Albert Bashite au siye?

Alipata div 0 au hakupata?

Amesomaje digrii miaka 5 badala ya miaka 3?

Amepata madaraka kwa sifa zipi?

Kwa nini hashughulikiwi kama raia wengine?

Je raia wote wa Tanzania wana haki ya kufungua shauri mahakamani?

TLS wana haki hiyo hiyo au hawana?

Je ni Tundu Lissu anayekusudia kufungua mashtaka au TLS?

Tafakari halafu kawashauri unaowatumikia

One

 

[barafuyamoto]

Sikujua kama we jamaa ni mweupe kichwani namna hii kushinda hata karatasi ya mgololo !

Mweupe kwa kutambua kuwa mke wa Slaa ni shujaa zaidi ya Tundu lissu? Nitaendelea kuwa mweupe niliye sahihi.

 

[Waterloo]

Actually lisu has shown weaknesses earlier because everything done by the government is criticised by him while surely it was not supposed to be criticised by him as president of TLS. How the government then an it benefit from TLS if everything done by it seems to be irritating according to TLS led by tundu lisu?

What do you mean by saying " everything " you not aware of what you're talking about.

 

[cocochanel]

Kweli wee pimbi ..ukikaa kimya unapungukiwa na nn ??uvccm bhana

Najua ukweli unauma.

 

[kampelewele]

Yote hayo umeandika kisa mtu alisema.

Ha ha haaaaa


Basi nasema wewe ni.....

Utakachojazia kivyovyote ndivyo basi.

Hapa kazi tu

Usinitag kama hauna kitu cha kunimbiza niingie shimoni na kujifukia, ila natepa kwasababu najua hauna kitu ni kufata mkumbo wa wanaotaka Makonda aondolewe ili wawe free kuvunja sheria, RC ni mchapa kazi na amesoma huyoooooo anapiga kazi tu.

Tuzidi kumwambia

Kanyaga twendeeeeeee

Makonda oyeeeeee

Nadhani hujanielewa! Mimi sina kinyongo na mtu wako na wala sitapata kitu iwapo atafukuzwa kazi. Nakuhakikishia kuwa hata akitoka siamini kama kuna ndugu au hata rafiki yangu anaweza kupata nafasi hiyo. Ila kwa vile ni Kiongozi wetu kutoka chama chetu ni vyema akajisafisha au wenyeuwezo wa kumfanya ajisafishe wakatenda hivyo ili suala hili likafikia tamati. Hivi nadhani wengine mshipa wa aibu Ulikatika si bure

 

[Crucial Man]

Am not opposed to Lissu's ambition of suing RC Makonda. What am saying is that, Lissu has a lot to do. And RC Makonda's issue is already in the hands of Ethics Committee. I don't see the reason why TLS under the leadership of Lissu is also planning to sue him even before the Ethics Committee has worked on it. It is a wastage of time for everyone to deal with RC Makonda

Have just awarded you alike comrade, but as far as TLS is concerned and the entire nation I don't thing it's a wastage of times.
we need clean people in civil servant Is concerned, let me draw your attention that out side there slot of civil servants have lost their jobs concerning fake certificate,Why not the him?
What the society wana know if all these legations are true or not.
so let him come out and defend himself, let him prove it without any doubt.

 

[Sangarara]

Show me wher be I have defended him....

Do not be ridiculous, how could someone show you anything over the net?

Politically motivated or not, I have had enough of the filth from Makonda. I do not care whether anyone, even his own mother, lands an uppercut on him.
as for the issue of proof or not, lets not be clairvoyant.

Dear MIND I have liked your good advice "Lets not be clairvoyant", Its ridiculous to behave as such.

 

[MTS]

Tundu Lisu and the so called TLS governing council were supposed to ask themselves that question before jumping to swim into the unknown River that you don't know whether there are crocodiles or not. The TLS governing council have the Case to answer on this. May I ask is the governing council full of learned brothers and sisters or is it just a collection of so called lawyers?

Despite the fact that they didn't seek advice from the victim(clouds), TLS as a citizen still have legal right to sue RC makonda to clear these allegations

 

[cocochanel]

Nadhani hujanielewa! Mimi sina kinyongo na mtu wako na wala sitapata kitu iwapo atafukuzwa kazi. Nakuhakikishia kuwa hata akitoka siamini kama kuna ndugu au hata rafiki yangu anaweza kupata nafasi hiyo. Ila kwa vile ni Kiongozi wetu kutoka chama chetu ni vyema akajisafisha au wenyeuwezo wa kumfanya ajisafishe wakatenda hivyo ili suala hili likafikia tamati. Hivi nadhani wengine mshipa wa aibu Ulikatika si bure

Hayo ya mtajuana wanachama nyie, mimi sina chama.

Ila kwanini mnamsingizia? Umeenda NECTA, RITA n.k.

Au unamsimanga kutokana na kile kikaratasi kilichokatwa katwa, sijui kuchwana ukaamini ni kweli.

Wewe kama mwana CCM jisikitikie kwa kufata mkumbo wa waongo, sabavy hata matokeo waliyaweka ki cheti faki hayakuendana na mengi yaliyopo.

Duh

Kila la kheri mwanachama, acha tu kumuonea wivu RC.

 

[treborx]

Mbona mnajadili elimu ya Bashite tu? Lissu pia amejadili issue ya Bashite kuvamia Clouds TV. What is your defense???? Was he right or wrong? idiocy can be arduous..

 

[moma2k]

only with original certificate can understand you guy.
go Lisu go bro, wasikupangie wakati wao hawataki kupangiwa

Lissu a seasoned lawyer, seems to be ignorant on the Rules of Natural jusitice, contratry to Article 13 of CURT ,1977. Why is he condemning Paul Makonda unheard?

 

[Crucial Man]

Some people are lazy of thinking they are easy to conclude without thinking. Its True Lissu is an opposition politician but this CDM membership cannot limit him as a TLS president to take actions against any person who commit crimes just because the suspected are from other party! This is high level stupidity! No one is above the law be it CHADEMA, CCM, CUF, ACT, what matters is the person committed crime? That's all! Magufuli for instance takes action to CHADEMA or any other opposition party members, do you think he is a political affiliated? If Yes you are right, if No why you guys go against Tundu Lissu to take action against Makonda? Stop your stupidity!

I completely agree with you, though you have used some strong words,hahaha.
This is not Lisu issue Neither Tls issue, this issue concerns the whole nation, even common mwananchi is concerned.
I urge those who are defending Mr Rc to come out with vivid evidence that the guy is clean and he is the real makonda Or bashite.
I agree with you mkuu

 

[Waterloo]

As prophesized, Lissu is now using TLS as a political platform for personal interests. Sooner or later people who put him there will start regretting !!

What you actually don't understand from his writing above? Will you sight some political motives from that article?