Kumbe mimi na wewe hatupo?

de Gunner said:
Nimeelezea kuhusu nafsi(consciousness) kwa mfumo wa mwanga. Kuna mtu kwenye comments alisema kuhusu windows ya komputa(analogy) so hizo zoote ni namna ya kuelezea consciousness.

Wewe sio vyote hivyo, wewe haupo.
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Sipo kivipi sasa wakati najiona, na najitambua nina akili timamu, I'm not crazy or Hallucinating here.

I can sit and have a meaningful discourse with a separate intelligent entity which is NOT me i.e you.

Hata nikifa leo nilikuwepo na nitaendelea kuwepo in a different layer of reality which you cannot see with your eyes, in a different dimension with my Heavenly Father the Almighty Creator.

Haya mafundisho ya mapepo mnayameza tu nyie wenyewe mnayaelewa kweli? ? ?

Binadamu tupo. We are very real aspects of reality. Na viumbe wengine tusiowaona kwa macho wapo!

And we are separate, hii biashara ya kusema we're one ninaikataa in Jesus name, you're yourself, I am myself.

Jitu linafanya uovu huko halafu linataka lijifanye halipo 🤣, eti ni consciousness tu inaota, bro! Embu tutokee hapa! !




Trying to take your free will away from you kwamba you have no choice. UONGO. TOKA PEPO.

Trying to take accountability away from you kwamba sio wewe its the consciousness dreaming. UONGO. TOKA PEPO.

Trying to take the power you have in you kwamba wewe haupo. UONGO. TOKA PEPO.

Trying to take meaning away from you.
Kwamba it's all a dream. Eti Nothing is real. UONGO. TOKA PEPO.

Trying to downplay our Creator and his Love for his creation expressed through JESUS CHRIST, kwamba hakuna Muumba aliyeumba mbingu na nchi na vyote vilivyomo. Kwamba ni ndoto tu. UONGO. TOKA PEPO.



Haya mafundisho ya imani za huko Mashariki ni mafundisho ya mapepo.

Hata kama yana chembe za ukweli, ni kama sahani ya chakula hata uweke kinyesi kidogo tu pembeni ukachovye na mti huko upakaze kwenye sahani haifai kula tena!

Tafuteni Kweli.

Sio hadithi za uongo na kweli, mambo ya kufikirika which we can't prove coz kwanza hatupo! ! ! 🤣

YESU ndiye Kweli!


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Mmh siwezi tu kuconlude kuwa kirahisi namna hiyo, huyo ninaekamikishwa ni nani tuanzie hapo? Yaani kisa mkono umeenda takoni, na akili imetengeneza memory na skini imesense kushikwa basi nijue huyo ni mimi kwa tukio hilo tu?

OK kwa hiyo basi mimi sipo, mimi ni kitendo?
 
Kuna mawazo mengine ni ngumu kuelewa
 
Mkuu ulisema hii sio debate nakukumbusha tuu...

Sijakataa hayo yote kuwa unajiona, una jitambua, and you are not hallucinating! The mind is doing its work correctly.. Na hapa hatuongelei mind, or body.. We are talking about the "self" the egoic self we believe we are..

This is the creation of the mind, the mind hata awali nilisema works on memory. So are you a memory.. Surely you're not and you know instinctively you're not.

Sasa unavyo Sema ya kuwa wewe upo unathibitisha ya kuwa wewe ni mind, yaani unahalalisha memory as existence! Au tangible being!?

We know in neuroscience kuwa the brain works through electric firing and wiring of neurons, so are you saying wewe ni hizo neurons ambazo zinafanya kazi by triggering of external conditions?

OK tuje kwenye biological stand point, Je we ni baba yako na mama yako? Yaani bila hiyo chain ya wazazi wako usonge tokea si ndio? Na Hao wazazi walitokea wapi? Je sasa hapo nani ni nani?

Mkuu haupo, it's just a creation of the mind.

Huyo Jesus unayesema ni Kweli alitoka wapi? Hatujui. Utasema ni Mungu of course inatupa ahuweni kujua Kuna sehem ya kupata comfort but is it real?

Najua dini is in you, it's okay na hata hamna haja ya kuattack mtu mwenye different view on things, believe what you believe ila kwenye ukweli lazima watu tuulize
 
Uliigeuza debate ulipodai nakimbia! !

Me naona word play tu sijui hata kama wewe mwenyewe unaelewa unachokisema! ! ! !

And you're mixing so many things up. Are we talking about the nature reality or source of reality?


Accoroding to you:

Tunaongelea self.
Self ni creation of the mind.
Mind works on memory.

Mpaka hapo wrong premises so wrong conclusions. You literally just make stuff up! !

1) Who said self ni creation of the mind? ? ?
Where is proof that self ni creation of the mind?

Kama mwanga ni separate entity kwanini unafikiri wewe sio separate entity?

Where do we draw the line that this is a separate entity and this I just an imaginary creation? ?

Again doctrine of demons, trying to downplay God, God's creation and especially God's Children i.e Humans.


2) You say mind works on memory.. So mtu aliyeugua alzheimer's disease akapoteza kumbukumbu akawasahau mkewe watoto wake, kwasababu self ni creation of mind, na mind works on memory, so because this person's memory imeharibika, means his self imeharibika! Utu wake umeharibika.

Sio yule baba mwenye mke na watoto tena ni mtu mwingine asiye na mke na watoto kwasababu hakumbuki kama ana watoto! ! ! !

Such a bizarre teaching! ! !


3) Unaniuliza kama mimi ni product ya neurological function.

Nilishakwambia huko juu there are layers to reality. I am definitely not only the function of my brain.

My brain helps me navigate the 3D world. But there's more! !

Hata huyu Neurosurgeon nilimpost hapa anasema Humans are more than the function of the brain. There's more to our consciousness:

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Nikakuambia anzia kuchunguza kuhusu higher dimensions uone itakupeleka wapi ukai dismiss.

Yani kwa kifupi wewe jamaa ni mtu anatafuta njia hajui njia anauliza watu nielekezeni njia za kwenda sehemu A lakini msiniambie nipite njia A.

Sasa kama njia A ndo sehemu pekee ya kukufikisha huko unakotaka kwenda na wewe hutaki kuipitia, unafikiri lengo lako kweli ni kwenda huko unakotaka kwenda au unataka kujichosha tu kuzunguka zunguka mitaani! ! !


4) Unasema bila chain ya wazazi nisingetokea, ndio sasa hapo cha kufikirisha ni kipi!

I had to come in to the world so I had to be born into the word by Humans.

I am still me. They are still them. My children also are separate beings who came through me.

Ni kwamba umeshakataa reality kuwa Mungu yupo aliyeumba kila kitu, Adam na Eve walikuwepo, Yesu alikuja n.k, sasa umebaki ku tafuta sense in a false reality you're creating .

Ni mauzauza tu utapata.

5) Unaniuliza Huyo Jesus unayesema ni Kweli alitoka wapi halafu unanijibia Hatujui! ! !

Ni wewe hujui.

Au umekataa ukweli.

This is not a matter of me looking fo comfort this is a matter of searching for TRUTH.

Na kama hatuwezi kukubaliana for a simple provable fact Kwamba YESU:

aliishi karne ya kwanza,
alifanya miujiza,
aliteswa,
aliuawa,
alifufuka siku ya tatu,
akatokea mamia ya watu kwa siku 40,
Wafuasi wakecwa kwaza waliuawa kwa aili ya kushuhudia kweli huu,

Kama hatuwezi kukubaliana na jambo jepesi kama hili la kihistoria, sidhani kama tunaweza kukubaliana chochote!


One of us is searching for truth and the other is searching for comfort in a false made up reality! !

Bye! ! !

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Registered_jf said:
And you're mixing so many things up. Are we talking about the nature
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Unajua wewe ulianza kuuliza mwanzo kabisa kuhusu mwanga, hapo ndo hizi nature na source of reality zilizaliwa.. Ila mada ilikuwa kuhusu self not reality,

Registered_jf said:
Who said self ni creation of the mind? ? ?
Where is proof that self ni creation of the mind?
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It is the creation of the mind because one can't make sense of self without thought, I mean seiiing, thinking, feeling, touching can't happen if the mind is destroyed. So if someone is in coma, he can't know that but after he wwakes up memory is calculated and mechanics of the mind brings a memory image(that he is conscious)

Registered_jf said:
Where do we draw the line that this is a separate entity and this I just an imaginary creation? ?
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We are not trying to draw a line here, separate entities exists, but the self is an imaginary creation hence it is not a separate entity and thus it does not exist.

Hey, I didn't say the self existed in the first place. So what the mind created was not the self let's begin there....

Na hapo it's another evidence umetoa mwenyewe by acquiring alzheimer's disease that construct that was facilitated by the mind =brain=organ will dissipate too, so what remains isn't self, because the self was a brian construct. Or tuseme was a memory.

Is that the self you are talking about? You are talking about consciousness. The consciousness isn't necessarily the self. Though through consciousness is what makes us aware of ego and self. But either real or fake consciousness encapsulates all of them

Mkuu tusizunguke mbuyu sana, prove to me with kuwa the self not consciousness exists in higher realms. We are talking about self here, not consciousness, the self separate entity we call us. Sijakimbia dimensions.. Najua hiyo self Hai exist huko, umetolea mfano wa alzheimer's na ukasema mtu Ana loose uelewa na ukasema your mind helps you navigate 3D Je kwenye higher realms una tumia nini? Answer these questions deligently just like me on dimensions and consciousness.

Mkuu mbona hamna logic hapo. Hiyo ni kuamini doctrine kama mtu asiye taka kuielewa.

Kipindi zile mbegu Zina ungana wewe ulikuwa nani hasa? Yaani before fertilization? Au sasa source yako ni nini? You are a separate entity because your mind creates it. You had to come back so you existed before? Can you trace it? Mkuu haupo na hauta kuwepo. Period.

Atleast am the one who is searching.. Because by realizing am not what my mind says I am hense I might not be it, in the book power of now, kuna section inasema I'm not my mind... Hence am not the "self" the mind says I am.

Hey huyo Yesu aliyeteswa ulisema ndo Kweli can you prove that? Na ni Kweli gani unayo imaanisha hapa?

We both wanna know the truth but you are not searching for it, you are believing what you're told while not trying to really show what it means. Show me hiyo njia, I need to know


Registered_jf said:
Bye! ! !
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Don't go yet ndo kwanza tunaanza, no backing down,

Nitapitia hizo thread zako nione
 
 
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BRO LEE said:
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Basi wanyimwe chakula akili ifanye kaaz
 
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