How the Dreamliner is Killing Tanzanians dream?

[mbwewe]

sisi tunapokea wageni ila kwa kutumia mgongo wa mashirika mengine: hio tayar ni opprtunity: wtu wanaosomea urubani wafanye wapi kazi? na una opportunity mezan, another thing: Tanzania has received the highest revenues kutoka kwa watalii since ndege zianze operation, nmeweka post jana: tanzania ni nchi ya nne mda huu Africa kwa mapato ya watalii, yamechangiwa na direct flight to Tanzania, before lazima upitie kona kona nyingi:

Kwa hyo mmenunua ndege ili muajiri marubani?

 

[mbwewe]

na sjasema hicho ndo kipaumbele kikubwa cha atcl kua ni watalii, there many things including usafirishaji wa vitu mbali mbali: hii hela yote imekaa mezan imechukuliwa na watu wengine which is stupid: We need more and more of these planes, as long we have a smart leader

Inachukuliwa na wengine kivipi? Ilihali wanalipa kodi?

 

[Mzalendo2015]

Nimeona nikujibu kizungu.

You are indeed very stupid!!!!

Writing this article in English does not give it an academic or any intellectual edge. It's just horrendous!!!!

Muhogo kiks,

It's not a matter of presenting an article in English, Swahili, Sukuma or whatever language you gonna use.
The issue here is why prioritize purchase of Airplanes instead of say for example invest in Agriculture by giving subsidy to Agriculture sector, in which more than 80% of Tanzanians depends on Agriculture?

Airway business is a very competitive industry. Just try to compare performance of other giant International carriers like Ethiopian Airlines, The Emirates, British Airways, Kenya Airways, South Africa Airways, just to mention a few of them...you will find that they're not economically health at all!!!

ATCL will be no special in this business...!!They must face the same music of competition and challenges.
The main task of a good government is to collect TAX and do nothing on business...!!

 

[Drift]

Huo ndio Uchumi wa vyuo vya kata
Maelezo mengi hakuna ulichoandika

Sasa nakufundisha hapa Jf

Uchumi upo wa aina mbili tu, Hizo zingine ni story za vijiweni ni Micro yaani Uchumi mdogo ndio unaouongelea wewe wa households au Individual

Uchumi wa pili ndio huu unaotupa taabu sana sana sisi sasa yaani Macro, Hizi step za kupunguza money supply ndio zinazolalamikiwa na wengi sasa, Heavy tax collection policy watu zimegeuka mzigo sasa

Madhara Haya yana pande mbili kwenye Uchumi mkubwa unayoyaona wewe ni short run tu ndio unaona negative au hasi

Wanywa bia watakuambia bei za bia zimekuwa inelastic regardless ya heavy tax au kodi kubwa bei za bia bado zipo straight line, badiliko la bei is just small amount ambayo hakuna anayesense

Hizi ndege na train is about longrun, Faida utaziona ten years to come

Faida ya Muhimbili University au hospital za kikatolic impact yake inaonekana sasa tunapoweza kutibu magonjwa makubwa hapa nchini

Wakati ule muhimbili kujitenga na udsm watu walilaumu sana sana, Leo ndio unaona impact

The president is done his part, The remaining are dramers

Well said Mkuu GUSSIE
Mi nadhani kuna tatizo la uelewa mwa walio wengi hapa, na wengine ni msukumo wa kiitikadi tu.

Hivi mnataka kufananisha matokeo ya kuuza duka ukajipatia kipato na watoto wakapata chakula na kuwalipia ada ya shule na miradi mikubwa ya serikali pamoja na payback period yake kuwa muda mrefu lakini matokeo yake yanaanza kuonekana Mara moja mf. Huduma ya usafiri kwa ndege zilizonunuliwa nk.

Huwezi kusema Ndege sasa zinaingiza hasara wakati unajua zinasafirisha abiria na vitu na ni lazima kuwe na muda wa Kurudisha mtaji na kuzaa faida.

Ndege hizo kama miradi miñgine haziwezi kuanza tu Leo trip south Africa, India, China, Uingereza, ama mikoani halafu miaka miwili tu ukaongelea faida..pia zinahitaji muda wa kufanya kazi ndipo zirudishe mtaji na kuzaa faida

Ila wabongo mkikamia jambo inakuwa kama hapa nchini mambo mengine yote yamesimama hayafanyiki..achilia mbali miradi mikubwa ya SGR, H.E.P-RUFIJI ambavyo vikishakamilika tu tutaanza kupata huduma, hayo hapo chini ya naendelea kufanyika kwa speed kubwa;

ELIMU BURE,
VITUO VYA AFYA KILA KATA,
BARABARA ZA LAMI ZINAJENGWA NCHI NZIMA,
NIDHAMU KAZINI,
UDHIBITI RUSHWA NK.

 

[FaizaFoxy]

Tanzania is a country in East Africa with a population of over 50 million people and per capita income of just about 1000 USD. The country has one of the fastest growing graduates unemployment in the region with a very high dependent ratio and rapid population increase.

For the past few years the country has undergone tremendous change in the areas of infrastructure,human rights democracy,freedom as well as inflation.The inflation especially in food crops is rising steadily while the incomes of majority of the population is shrinking due to unemployment and low wages.

Despite all these Tanzania has invested heavily in infrastructure projects including the construction of the SGR, A Hydro Power Project as well the purchase of brand new aircraft to revamp the national career Air Tanzania.

The recent purchase of aircrafts which included a dream liner (Boeing 787-800) comes amidst divided opinion among the majority of the people in the country with some criticizing and others supporting the move.

Analyst have looked at the decision to purchase aircrafts amidst tight resources and majority of them are against the move due to the fact that resources a limited and an aircraft carries with it costs to maintain it and the current aviation market in the country cannot support the operations of a Dreamliner or Air crafts in general.

Some analyst believe that the next president will have to make tough decisions to dispose of the aircrafts and invest the monies where they will have major impacts such as in health,education,water and sanitation as well as in improving the business environment and youth empowerment .

Do you think the Dreamliner will take aways Tanzanians dreams?Let us discuss on other productive use to which the money used to pay for the dreamlines could have been used and the impact that would have.

We are on the right track.

Take a hike.

 

[mbwewe]

If it was my decision I would rather leave airline business to private sector and the concentrate on policy issues Airline is a business that require an Investor to be very dynamic, with the government system of delaying decision making I do not see how this airline is going to compete in this very saturated market. We do not need a rocket science to know that airline business is too risk for a country like Tanzania. Every one would expect that the little resources that we have would be used with highest care but the opposite is the reality. As a transport professional I do not see any good future for ATCL, except political mileage.

Umemaliza mkuu.....wenzetu hadi airport zinaendeshwa na private sector, serikali ilishajitoa kwenye biashara imebaki kusimamia tu!

National pride it kills us huku tunajiona.

 

[FaizaFoxy]

Muhogo kiks,

It's not a matter of presenting an article in English, Swahili, Sukuma or whatever language you gonna use.
The issue here is why prioritize purchase of Airplanes instead of say for example invest in Agriculture by giving subsidy to Agriculture sector, in which more than 80% of Tanzanians depends on Agriculture?

Airway business is a very competitive industry. Just try to compare performance of other giant International carriers like Ethiopian Airlines, The Emirates, British Airways, Kenya Airways, South Africa Airways, just to mention a few of them...you will find that they're not economically health at all!!!

ATCL will be no special in this business...!!They must face the same music of competition and challenges.
The main task of a good government is to collect TAX and do nothing on business...!!

Why not?

Have you invested on agriculture?

Serious investors on agriculture are accorded more than subsidy. Remember the huge sugarcane project which is on-going right now in Bagamoyo, very near Saadani National Park?

Do you have a clue on how it came to be? Hope you don't, because if you do and you come with such a suggestion, we'll have to feel nothing but a big sorry for you.

 

[JF Member]

We nae hutumii hta akili kufikiri

Hujui kuwa wananchi kupata maji safi ni advantage kwao kwani watatumia muda mwingi kwenye shughuli za uzalishaji mali badala ya kutumia muda huo kwenda kutafuta maji!

By the way utatumia vipi billions of money kwenye sekta ambayo inawakilisha only 1% ya population na kuitekeleza sekta sekta ya kilimo inayowakilisha 80% ya population?

Hyo itakuwa akili au matope?

You are free to express what you feel. The reality remains, we have to move forward, water projects and health facilities are underway.

Don't tell people that aviation industry in Tanzania represents 1%. You need to be critical to say it.

All foreigners who come here need this means of Transport. Most of Tanzania working in various sectors npw needs it.

The tourism industry needs it.

E.t.c

Aviation is becoming important than the way you put think.

 

[muhogo_kiks]

Just to add on what you have just said @JFmember.

Whoever is say that the aviation sector is only 1% of the economy should first start studying the statistics on tourism!! How much does it contribute to the GDP.!!

Our political differences have made us so biased on truth and reality.

The aviation sector together with tourism contributes 17% of our whole economy and when the government works to strengthen it, it suddenly becomes a wrong move.

Emirates brings in a B777 daily, and it's done that years . There are 5 flights daily to Nairobi done by only someone else. KLM bought a brand new B787-10 and guess what route it exclusively serves, it's Amsterdam - kilimanjaro - dar.

Till when are we going to let people rip us off like that!!!

 

[Danny Jully]

QUOTE="Danny Jully, post: 33271510, member: 160061"]
Mkuu Pascal tumeamua na nani? Au ameamua tu mwenyewe!!

Japo mwamuzi wa mwisho ni mmoja, ile principle ya a collective responsibility applies. Hivyo sisi wote tulioamua kuunga mkono juhudi, tumeamua kwa pamoja.
P[/QUOTE]Yeye hakuwa mwamuzi wa mwisho, alikuwa mwamuzi wa kwanza, nyie wengine mliunga mkono juhudi baadaye kabisa. Hapo collective responsibility haipo. Ingekuwepo pale uamuzi unapofanyika kwa pamoja na kwa umoja. Bunge lingehusishwa kabla hapo angalau tungekubali kwamba timeshiriki kwa sababu hao ndio wawakilishi wetu. Lakini walitumika kama rubber stamp tu.

 

[Subira the princess]

Kupanga ni kuchagua, tumeamua kuchagua kufanya maendeleo ya vitu kwanza, kama ndege, miundombinu, SGR, Stigler, flyover, na kujenga Tanzania ya Viwanda. Miradi hii mikubwa ikikamilika, ndipo tutageukia maendeleo ya watu.

Je, maendeleo ya kweli ni maendeleo ya watu au vitu? Wachumi tusaidieni, uchumi wa Awamu ya 5, unalisaidia Taifa au utaliangamiza?

Wanabodi, Hii ni thread ya swali, ambalo linatakiwa kujibiwa na wachumi wetu, kuhusiana na dhana ya maendeleo ya kweli ni maendeleo ya watu au ni maendeleo ya vitu?, na Je, sera za uchumi za serikali ya Awamu ya Tano, ambazo zimejikita kwenye maendeleo ya vitu, badala ya maendeleo ya watu...

www.jamiiforums.com

P

It is better to shut up than to shout

 

[kolorama]

Huwezi endeleea bila kuwa na kitu cha kuingiza pesa za kigeni ndani. Ndege ni moja ya biashara nzuri sana ya export inayokuingizia pesa ndani na time to market is very short.

Biashara zinazozungurushwa ndani mnazotaka ndo zitawatia watu umasikini zaidi.

Ukitaka kufahamu hilo, nenda kijijini kwenu kawape milion 100 uwafungie wafanye biashara wao kwa wao, wasitoke nje, rudi baada ya miaka 5 utakuta wamekuwa masikini zaidi, na hizo milion 100 zimepugua zaidi maana zingine zimechanika na zingine zimepotea.

Mkumbuke biashara inayofanyika humo ndani bila export hiyo si biashara bali ni service. Hii service itaenda kwa pyramid scheme na mwisho kuanguka.
Magufuli na serikali yake kununua ndege is the right approach.

Mkuu je sisi tunafanya export gani kubwa kwa kipindi hiki?

 

[sandpiper]

If you do not take any risk , you will never succeed in anything . Viva Tanzania

 

[Kiranga]

Mkuu uko vizuri. Idea yako iko sawa. Lakin kwenye kuchagua mradi gan mkubwa unaweza kuleta mult plier effect ni tatizo kwako. Unajua ukiangalia kwa mapana, mtanzania anahitaji kwanza kabisa umeme. Umeme ni kitu cha kwanza kabisa. Ni muhimu tukawa na umeme kila kona ya nchi ili kuwezesha shughuli ndogo ndogo za kiuchumi kwa kila mtanzania ikiwemo kilimo cha kisasa. Kwa maana hiyo mradi wa stigler gorge ni muhim sana. Unahitajika sana. Pamoja na mradi wa umeme vijijin - rea. Nategemea watanzania wapige kelele utekelezaji wa miradi hii uende kwa kasi sana.

Lakin watanzania hawa wanahitaji masoko ya bidhaa zako. Masoko ya mazao na kazi za mikono. Masoko ya vivutio vya utalii. Kwa maana hiyo miradi yoyote yenye kuleta au ku saidia hayo mambo ni muhimu sana. Mfano ni mradi wa miundo mbinu. Bara baara, madaraja, viwanja vya ndege na ndege zenyewe. Ni muhimu sana. Miradi hiyo ni muhimu sana kwa maendeleo ya uchumi wetu. Mtanzania mwenye akili timamu ata suport miradi ya aina hii kwa nguvu zake zote.

Lakin pia tunahitaji miradi ya kubadilisha afya zetu na maisha yetu. Miradi kama ya elimu bure kwa watoto wetu, miradi ya maji vijijin, na miradi ya hospitali au dispensary kwa kila kata.

Ni muhimu kwa ajili ya kubadili maisha ya mtanzania.

Sielewi kwann mtanzania wa kawaida haelewi maana ya investment kubwa zinazofanyika nchin.

Lakin pia ni vizuri kutambua kuwa kila sehem, kila mahali pakiweza kufikika then inakuwa rahisi kufanya shughuli yoyote ya kiuchumi kwa kila mwananchi wa kawaida.

Pia ni vizuri ikawa wazi kuwa labda awamu zijazo zinaweza kuwa na program ya kugawa hela au ajira kwa kila mtanzania. Lakin kwa sasa tunaomba haya niliyoyataja yafanyike kwa faida ya kila raia wa tanzania.

Hata mradi mkubwa wa umeme ukifanywa bila mipango unakuwa bure tu.

Kwa mfano, ukikopa mabilioni ya fedha, kwa kufikiri utarudisha hela kwa kuuzia watu umeme, wakati watu hawana purchasing power, kwa sababu hawana kazi sekta rasmi na sekta isiyo rasmi inasinyaa, na serikali haijajipanga kutengeneza uchumi, utaishia kuwa na deni la mabilioni ya dola za Kimarekani, utakuwa na mradi ambao ni ghali kuuendeleza na hutakuja kupata faida.

Ukisoma kitabu cha John Perkins cha "Confessions of An Economic Hitman" utaona haya yameandikwa kirefu tu.

 

[NOD]

Mkuu soma ilani ya CCM na vyama vingine vyote cilivyoshiriki uchaguzi mkuu wa 2015. Baada ya hapo nieleze nani hakuzungumzia ununuzi wa ndege, umeme wa uhakika, reli ya kisasa kuwa priorities zao katika miaka mitano, yaani 2015_2020. Vyama vya siasa mditufanye mazwazwa by changing goal posts to gain popularity.

Hayo ni maamuzi ya mtu mmoja wala sio shirikishi. Ni lini tuliamua kama taifa kujenga uwanja mkubwa wa ndege Chato, kujenga bwawa Rufiji nk. Dikteta amepora madaraka ya wananchi kupitia bunge sasa yeye ni bunge, mahakama nk.

 

[NOD]

Pascal ebu uliza hili swali likipata majibu then Magufulishould not remainafter 2020, short of that ni unafika, uongo, ufitini, taking us for fools:

Soma ilani ya CCM na vyama vingine vyote vilivyoshiriki uchaguzi mkuu wa 2015. Baada ya hapo tuelezwe nani hakuzungumzia ununuzi wa ndege (ATCL), umeme wa uhakika, reli ya kisasa, kuwa priorities zao katika miaka mitano, yaani 2015_2020. Vyama vya siasa msitufanye mazwazwa by changing goal posts to gain popularity.

Kupanga ni kuchagua, tumeamua kuchagua kufanya maendeleo ya vitu kwanza, kama ndege, miundombinu, SGR, Stigler, flyover, na kujenga Tanzania ya Viwanda. Miradi hii mikubwa ikikamilika, ndipo tutageukia maendeleo ya watu.

Je, maendeleo ya kweli ni maendeleo ya watu au vitu? Wachumi tusaidieni, uchumi wa Awamu ya 5, unalisaidia Taifa au utaliangamiza?

Wanabodi, Hii ni thread ya swali, ambalo linatakiwa kujibiwa na wachumi wetu, kuhusiana na dhana ya maendeleo ya kweli ni maendeleo ya watu au ni maendeleo ya vitu?, na Je, sera za uchumi za serikali ya Awamu ya Tano, ambazo zimejikita kwenye maendeleo ya vitu, badala ya maendeleo ya watu...

www.jamiiforums.com

P

 

[jnhiggins]

Kupanga ni kuchagua, tumeamua kuchagua kufanya maendeleo ya vitu kwanza, kama ndege, miundombinu, SGR, Stigler, flyover, na kujenga Tanzania ya Viwanda. Miradi hii mikubwa ikikamilika, ndipo tutageukia maendeleo ya watu.

Je, maendeleo ya kweli ni maendeleo ya watu au vitu? Wachumi tusaidieni, uchumi wa Awamu ya 5, unalisaidia Taifa au utaliangamiza?

Wanabodi, Hii ni thread ya swali, ambalo linatakiwa kujibiwa na wachumi wetu, kuhusiana na dhana ya maendeleo ya kweli ni maendeleo ya watu au ni maendeleo ya vitu?, na Je, sera za uchumi za serikali ya Awamu ya Tano, ambazo zimejikita kwenye maendeleo ya vitu, badala ya maendeleo ya watu...

www.jamiiforums.com

P

😂😂😂😂 bora tungeiimarisha sekta binafsi, governments are all over the world catastrophic in doing business, history is a great teacher and soon we will see the impact of our decision. Kupanga ni kuchagua kweli ila tupange kwa uangalifu. Maendeleo ya vitu bila watu sio sustainable

 

[MkamaP]

Hizo ndege zina export nini?

Mkuu kwani hujui maana ya export? Export siyo lazima upeleke mahindi na maharage ama kahawa. Ndege ina export services. Inapimwa je export ni pesa ya kigeni imeingia kutoka nje na kuwa ndani ya mzurunguruko wa pesa ndani. Mfano Mtalii kaja hapo karuka kutoka Dar hadi Musoma kwa air Tanzania maana yake amelipa dola ambazo hazikuwepo. Ama ndege imeenda India ama London maana yake wasafiri wahindi wameleta dola ndani kwa kulipa nauli. Hiyo ndo export.

 

[MkamaP]

Mkuu je sisi tunafanya export gani kubwa kwa kipindi hiki?

Mkuu kwani hujui maana ya export? Export siyo lazima upeleke mahindi na maharage ama kahawa. Ndege ina export services. Inapimwa je export ni pesa ya kigeni imeingia kutoka nje na kuwa ndani ya mzurunguruko wa pesa ndani. Mfano Mtalii kaja hapo karuka kutoka Dar hadi Musoma kwa air Tanzania maana yake amelipa dola ambazo hazikuwepo. Ama ndege imeenda India ama London maana yake wasafiri wahindi wameleta dola ndani kwa kulipa nauli. Hiyo ndo export.

Ndiyo maana ndege ni sahihi kwa kipindi hiki kufanya export.

Product zingine ni ngumu ku export huwezi shindana na wazungu kwenye viwanda wakati teknolojia hatuna. Tunachotakiwa kufanya export na export rahisi ni export ya services kama ndege ama kuwadhamini watanzania wengi watoke nje wakawe diaspora wawe wanatuma ma dola ndani nayo ni export of services.

 

[MkamaP]

Ndege na Mbuga kipi kinaweza kutupatia fedha nyingi za kigeni? Ikiwa tuna import kuliko ku export hilo pato la fedha za kigeni zitakazoletwa na midege litakuwa na tija?
Mambo ni mengi muda ni mchache...

Mkuu kwani hujui maana ya export? Export siyo lazima upeleke mahindi na maharage ama kahawa. Ndege ina export services. Inapimwa je export ni pesa ya kigeni imeingia kutoka nje na kuwa ndani ya mzurunguruko wa pesa ndani. Mfano Mtalii kaja hapo karuka kutoka Dar hadi Musoma kwa air Tanzania maana yake amelipa dola ambazo hazikuwepo. Ama ndege imeenda India ama London maana yake wasafiri wahindi wameleta dola ndani kwa kulipa nauli. Hiyo ndo export.

Haijalishi mbuga na ndege nk, kinachotakiwa uwe na idea ya kuleta pesa ndani, na hao watalii wakifika ndani uwarahisishie logistics na pesa yote ibaki ndani na siyo ichukuliwe tena sijui na Kenya airways.