Battle: Dar es Salaam vs Nairobi

NairobiWalker · Mar 5, 2024

Chamoto said:
The 'soul' in this context refers to the historical and cultural heritage of our country related to the building.

The name of the building, 'IKULU' comes from the word 'MAKULU' in kigogo (a bantu language of the natives of Dodoma, which means the residency of Mtemi or Chief). That building is a blend of both African and Arabic architecture reflecting the people of the coastal area.

During the WWI, it was bombed to the ground and later rebuilt by the British. Every section has some historic background and soul to it, from the original central block, the Princess Margaret wing, all the way to the Kikwete building. You're just mad because yours (in Nairobi) don't even have an native name to it, no soul.

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First of all, Ikulu is not a specific name of the Tanzanian Statehous. Ikulu is simply the Swahili word for the Head of State's residence or a King's residence. Thus we have Ikulu ya Kenya, Ikulu ya Tanzania, Ikulu ya Marekani etc. We refer to the Kenyan State House as Ikulu all the time and Swahili is a native Kenyan language so I don't even get where your absurd argument on having a native name is coming from. It's even laughable that you would think I'm mad about it when I didn't even view it that way to begin with which renders your whole argument null and void for being based on a false premise.

Secondly, a name does not give a city a soul. The soul of a city is found in it's culture, architecture, social life and general attractiveness of a city. A name is just a name.

Thirdly, the 'historical heritage' of the Tanzanian (Dar es Salaam) State House is just as 'historical and cultural' as the Kenyan one. Both were built by colonial powers without the voice or the say of the locals. One thing to note though, while the Nairobi and Dar State Houses blended well with the surrounding city, the Dodoma one looks forced. It's simply a replica of what was constructed in Dar by the colonialists. One would expect now that you're building a new capital, you would come up with something uniquely Tanzanian - you didn't. You are building a new soulless capital. Yours is more (actually worse) of a Brasilia than a Canberra or Washington.

Kosugi · Mar 5, 2024

ichoboy01 said:
Eti yesu ni nyandue mwimba kwaya wa Kenya Huyo Ezekiel mutua🙌🙌🙌
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Lamamayeeee.

Chamoto · Mar 5, 2024

babayao255 said:
Ndugu umefanya nimeingia Google kutafuta origin ya neno Ikulu.
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Hadi hapa tushajua nani mmiliki wa lugha adhimu ya kiswahili naona hadi majirani wasio na lugha wanatumia neno "Ikulu"
😂😂😂

View: https://x.com/citizentvkenya/status/1762876396085407945?s=46&t=4z9N13N0auLdtU4DeJ6fYw

Baada ya kuondoa uchifu Tanganyika (1963), Nyerere (ambaye alitoka kwenye familia ya kichifu ya Kizanaki), aliliomba hilo jina kutoka kwa Mtemi Mazengo ili litumike kama jina la makazi rasmi ya Rais, kama alama ya kuuondoa uchifu (kuuhamishia Magogoni kutoka shemu mbali mbali Tanganyika).

babayao255 · Mar 5, 2024

Chamoto said:
Baada ya kuondoa uchifu, Nyerere ambaye na yeye alikuwa anatoka kwenye familia ya kichifu ya Kizanaki, aliliomba hilo jina litumike kwenye ikulu ya Tanganyika kama alama ya kuuondoa uchifu.

Nchi yetu ina historia tamu sana, naona huyo kondoo bado anakataa origin ya neno Ikulu.

Filaria · Mar 5, 2024

KANAIRO said:
stendi ya basi ukitoka tu ni vituko barabarani....hamna enough buses mnasimama safari ya 800kms

Hv story hz mnapataga wapi lakn?😅😂😂

Kosugi · Mar 5, 2024

Chamoto said:
Baada ya kuondoa uchifu, Nyerere (ambaye na yeye alikuwa anatoka kwenye familia ya kichifu ya Kizanaki), aliliomba hilo jina kutoka kwa Mtemi Mazengo ili litumike kwenye ikulu ya Tanganyika Dar esalaam kama alama ya kuuondoa rasmi uchifu (kuuhamisha Magogoni kutoka shemu mbali mbali Tanganyik).

Jamaa anakupinga huko akisema ikulu ni native language ya kiswahili cha Kenya.

Kosugi · Mar 5, 2024

babayao255 said:
Nchi yetu ina historia tamu sana, naona huyo kondoo bado anakataa origin ya neno Ikulu.

Huyo we usibishane nae aisee.
Kuna huyo na the other delo ni hatari.
Mtu kaletewa mpaka chanzo kuwa IKULU NI NENO LA KIBANTU LENYE ASILI YA KIGOGO TOKA TANZANIA.
Bado anakataa na kusema linatokana na asili ya kiswahili cha Kenya akati Kiswahili chenyewe ni lugha asili ya Tanzania.
Jamaa jinga sana.

Chamoto · Mar 6, 2024

Kosugi said:
Jamaa anakupinga huko akisema ikulu ni native language ya kiswahili cha Kenya.

Mimi nimesha mic drop kwakwe, nimempa mpaka historical evidence, alie akalale, siwezi endelea kumjibu. Hapo juu ni google map screenshot inayoonesha eneo la Mvumi likionesha vijiji vingi ikiwemo mvumi mission alipozaliwa Malecela, ambapo kuna hospitali kubwa ya macho (ilijengwa kabla ya uhuru). Mvumi Makulu ndipo yalipokuwa makazi ya Mtemi Mazengo.

Magonjwa Mtambuka · Mar 6, 2024

NairobiWalker said:
First of all, Ikulu is not a specific name of the Tanzanian Statehous. Ikulu is simply the Swahili word for the Head of State's residence or a King's residence. Thus we have Ikulu ya Kenya, Ikulu ya Tanzania, Ikulu ya Marekani etc. We refer to the Kenyan State House as Ikulu all the time and Swahili is a native Kenyan language so I don't even get where your absurd argument on having a native name is coming from. It's even laughable that you would think I'm mad about it when I didn't even view it that way to begin with which renders your whole argument null and void for being based on a false premise.

Secondly, a name does not give a city a soul. The soul of a city is found in it's culture, architecture, social life and general attractiveness of a city. A name is just a name.

Thirdly, the 'historical heritage' of the Tanzanian (Dar es Salaam) State House is just as 'historical and cultural' as the Kenyan one. Both were built by colonial powers without the voice or the say of the locals. One thing to note though, while the Nairobi and Dar State Houses blended well with the surrounding city, the Dodoma one looks forced. It's simply a replica of what was constructed in Dar by the colonialists. One would expect now that you're building a new capital, you would come up with something uniquely Tanzanian - you didn't. You are building a new soulless capital. Yours is more (actually worse) of a Brasilia than a Canberra or Washington.

Kwa nini unaandika upuuzi?😎

Kosugi · Mar 6, 2024

Chamoto said:
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Mimi nimesha drop mic kwakwe, nimempa mpaka historical evidence, alie akalale, siwezi endelea kumjibu. Hapo juu ni google map screenshot inayoonesha eneo la Mvumi likionesha vijiji vingi ikiwemo mvumi mission alipozaliwa Malecela, ambapo kuna hospitali kubwa ya macho (ilijengwa kabla ya uhuru). Mvumi Makulu ndipo yalipokuwa makazi ya Mtemi Mazengo.

🤣🤣🤣Huyo kabla sijamjua alinipanikisha sana.
Ila toka nimsikie Ally Kamwe akisema"mjinga mpe cheo uendelee na yako" basi namuachaga tu.
Mtu anabisha na evidence waziwazi.

Sama boy 255 · Mar 6, 2024

NairobiWalker said:
l. A concrete jungle of boring government buildings with nothing else - no recreation, no shopping, no entertainment, no parks, no academic institutions, no vegetation, nowhere for humans to interact and tacky copy of Arab architecture. Nothing screams lack of soul like your city. Brasilia even sounds better.

🤣🤣🤣 Kumbe DODOMA inakuumiza kinoma na usemi, utakufa fala wewe, gvt city iko designed ku accommodate amenities zote zenye umetaja hapo. Ni vile priority number 1 ilikua ni kutengeneza kwanza hizo ministries zote hapo zenye unaona then vitu vingine vifuate. Mf hii ni monument ambayo itakua na park for community to interact ipo under construction hiv tunavyoongea sasahiv 👇. Progress yake hii 👇"VIJIMAMBO: DKT. YONAZI APONGEZA HATUA ZA UJENZI WA ENEO LA MNARA WA MASHUJAA" DKT. YONAZI APONGEZA HATUA ZA UJENZI WA ENEO LA MNARA WA MASHUJAA.

KANAIRO · Mar 6, 2024

nairobae said:
75% of your workforce are primary school dropouts. 😂 😂 😂 Watu wa informal economy ndio wamejaza labor force ya bongoslum.

this is serious...weh!

The best 007 · Mar 6, 2024

buffalo44 said:
I am starting to question extents ya IQ ya mkenya, nimeanza kufikiri kua kati ya Nchi 54, Kenya ni nchi ambayo ipo tayari kumkaribisha mkoloni tena.

Eti render ndio tunaringishiwa? Na mijitu haijifunzi TULILETEWA PINNACLE, TUKAJA SGR, TUKAJA ONE OF KIND BUS TERMINUS. Omba matokeo sasa.

Na huo uwanja kwa features zote wanajenga one Year. Duh!

Okay let see.

Wakenya hawana akili.

The best 007 · Mar 6, 2024

nairobae said:
Kenya's second biggest city

Mbona nyumba zina fangasi? Picha imepigwa make up lkn nyumba zinakataa make up fungus kama zote, mombasa kweli ni mji mkongwe 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

REAL Comrade Kipepe · Mar 6, 2024

babayao255 said:
Nchi yetu ina historia tamu sana, naona huyo kondoo bado anakataa origin ya neno Ikulu.

Hawana mchango wowote kwenye hii dunia zaidi ya kuruka ruka na kudandia establishments za wengine.

Hakuna kiumbe aliyekosa lishe bora tangu utoto akawa na akili za ziada.

Mwalo Chibya · Mar 6, 2024

Hamiyungu said:
Upo sawa wewe!!!!

Tunajifariji tu hapa lkn Dar haifikikii Nairobi….Huu ni ukweli mchungu hata ukiangalia malls zilizopo Nrb dar hakuna…

Barabara zao hazina upuuzi wa 50 speed wala matuta hasa highway kama huku kwetu…kupotezeana muda tu.

Hizo hoja zako hazina mashiko! unavyoangalia wewe ni vitu vidogo vidogo havina significant effect kwa maendeleo, je hakuna vitu na Mambo mazuri yapo Dar/ Tz na Nairobi/Kenya hayapo?

Geza Ulole · Mar 6, 2024

View: https://youtu.be/fu83XspMZA4?si=G8grhDoRkeU0Kv1y

Nelson Jacob Kagame · Mar 6, 2024

NairobiWalker said:
It's tacky, you can borrow and do a good thing but yours is just tacky. You speak of lacking a soul like someone who doesn't understand what lacking a soul means. You are building a capital on the edge of a town and the capital is full of government buildings whose architecture is a direct yet poor copy of either Arab architecture or the original structure built in Dar es Salaam by your colonists. In case you don't understand what lacking a soul means - that's the exact definition of lacking a soul. A concrete jungle of boring government buildings with nothing else - no recreation, no shopping, no entertainment, no parks, no academic institutions, no vegetation, nowhere for humans to interact and tacky copy of Arab architecture. Nothing screams lack of soul like your city. Brasilia even sounds better.

Kingereza kingi afu hamna hela..........nyie vilaza kweli.......nchi yenyewe asilimia 50% jangwa.
Njoo Tz uone.......sio huko nairobi na nyumba zenu hampaki rangi nje........mji mzima kidongo chekundu kama mpo Ndola Zambia 🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Kenya maisha magumu....ndio maana mnakimbilia huku tz

Mgagaa na Upwa · Mar 6, 2024

Mwalo Chibya said:
Humo kichwani uko sawa sawa kweli!?

Huyo ni wale wapumbavu ambao wanaishi kwa kufikiri,huyo hata namanga au horohoro hajawahi kufika anakariri tu mshamba

President of China · Mar 6, 2024

Chamoto said:
The 'soul' in this context refers to the historical and cultural heritage of our country related to the building.

The name of the building, 'IKULU' comes from the word 'MAKULU' in kigogo (a bantu language of the natives of Dodoma, which means the residency of Mtemi or Chief). That building is a blend of both African and Arabic architecture reflecting the people of the coastal area.

During the WWI, it was bombed to the ground and later rebuilt by the British. Every section has some historic background and soul to it, from the original central block, the Princess Margaret wing, all the way to the Kikwete building. You're just mad because yours (in Nairobi) don't even have a native name to it, no soul.

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Ikulu is also Sukuma word meaning the place where mtemi anaishi.

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