Battle: Dar es Salaam vs Nairobi

joto la jiwe · Nov 23, 2017

Jay456watt said:
kakojo kalale..ksho uauke ukaitishe kao zako

Roho inakuuma baada ya kugundua kwamba mliganganyika kwa kusikia SGR mkajua zote ni sawa, mkapigwa na mchina bei kali kumbe akawajengea old model ya SGR, next time msikurupuke tena, jaribuni kusubiri hadi Tanzania ifanye kwanza ili muweze kujifunza

Jay456watt · Nov 23, 2017

joto la jiwe said:
Roho inakuuma baada ya kugundua kwamba mliganganyika kwa kusikia SGR mkajua zote ni sawa, mkapigwa na mchina bei kali kumbe akawajengea old model ya SGR, next time msikurupuke tena, jaribuni kusubiri hadi Tanzania ifanye kwanza ili muweze kujifunza

reli mtakayoijenga ni ile ile tu standard gauge kama yetu..hamna tofauti...reli yenye upana wa 1435mm ila nakuelewa tu...elimu shida...pole ama unataka kuniambia yenu inajengwa kwa dhahabu?

joto la jiwe · Nov 23, 2017

Jay456watt said:
pesa hizo mlizozitoa toka seikali ya Tz zipo wapi? leta data hapa basi nione....3B mnatoa wapi nchi LDC? hata kuokota ushuru mmeshindwa pesa mtatoa wapi?

Wewe utakuwa na matatizo ya akili, utawezaje kuuliza hilo swali wakati reli imeanza kujengwa, mkandarasi ameshatanguliziwa malipo ya mwanzo na nchi haijapata wala kuchukua mkopo popote, na mwenye nchi anakuambia hizi pesa za ujenzi nimezitoa mfukoni mwangu, wewe unamwambia nipe ushahidi kama hizi peza umezitoa mfukoni mwako, nonsense..

Jay456watt · Nov 23, 2017

joto la jiwe said:
Wewe utakuwa na matatizo ya akili, utawezaje kuuliza hilo swali wakati reli imeanza kujengwa, mkandarasi ameshatanguliziwa malipo ya mwanzo na nchi haijapata wala kuchukua mkopo popote, na mwenye nchi anakuambia hizi pesa za ujenzi nimezitoa mfukoni mwangu, wewe unamwambia nipe ushahidi kama hizi peza umezitoa mfukoni mwako, nonsense..

matatizo ya akili ni ww tu hapo hamna mwingine...umeshindwa hata kuelewa standad gauge unaanza kutapatapa sijui uwiano... itakua una ugonjwa wa gonorrhea imefika mpaka akilini ama uko karibu kuzaa?

ichoboy01 · Nov 23, 2017

joto la jiwe said:
Wewe utakuwa na matatizo ya akili, utawezaje kuuliza hilo swali wakati reli imeanza kujengwa, mkandarasi ameshatanguliziwa malipo ya mwanzo na nchi haijapata wala kuchukua mkopo popote, na mwenye nchi anakuambia hizi pesa za ujenzi nimezitoa mfukoni mwangu, wewe unamwambia nipe ushahidi kama hizi peza umezitoa mfukoni mwako, nonsense..

Huyo achana nae taa ya oil inawaka😀😀😀

Jay456watt · Nov 23, 2017

ichoboy01 said:
Huyo achana nae taa ya oil inawaka😀😀😀

vipi jomba? reli ya 1cm vipi

joto la jiwe · Nov 23, 2017

Jay456watt said:
reli mtakayoijenga ni ile ile tu standard gauge kama yetu..hamna tofauti...reli yenye upana wa 1435mm ila nakuelewa tu...elimu shida...pole ama unataka kuniambia yenu inajengwa kwa dhahabu?

Yetu itakuwa na
1)Umeme
2)Not jointed hivyo haitakuwa na mtikisiko wala kelele zitokanazo na joints za reli
3)Full automatic control, hivyo haziwezi kugongana
4)High speed
5)High capacity
6)Bullet trains

Hivyo ndivyo vinavyoifanya yetu iwe modern and superior over Kenyan

Jay456watt · Nov 23, 2017

joto la jiwe said:
Yetu itakuwa na
1)Umeme
2)Not jointed hivyo haitakuwa na mtikisiko wala kelele zitokanazo na joints za reli
3)Full automatic control, hivyo haziwezi kugongana
4)High speed
5)High capacity
6)Bullet trains

Hivyo ndivyo vinavyoifanya yetu iwe modern and superior over Kenyan

nlishatoka huko ka discuss na nyanyako mambo hayo ili ujiliwaze angalau

joto la jiwe · Nov 23, 2017

ichoboy01 said:
Huyo achana nae taa ya oil inawaka😀😀😀

Kweli huyu dish limecheza kidogo

joto la jiwe · Nov 23, 2017

Jay456watt said:
nlishatoka huko ka discuss na nyanyako mambo hayo ili ujiliwaze angalau

Najua umeelewa na unajaribu kukimbia, sikuachi nitaendelea kukupa misumari ya moto ili iwe mwanzo na mwisho kuzungumza kuhusu vyuma vyenu chakavu na kuvilinganisha na ultra modern train.ya Bongo..washamba wakubwa ninyi..

IamLee · Nov 23, 2017

ichoboy01 said:
Hatujakopa sasa 😀😀😀😀 tumetoa cash 3.16b usd for 712km na ujenzi uko moto

Hii mambo na tumelipa cash utaacha

Turkey wins bid to finance, build $1.9b second phase of Tanzania railway
“We sought financing from Turkey. I am confident that we will secure the loan as President Erdogan said that’s a ‘small’ matter to him. We have also received a bid from a Turkish company that is keen on executing the project,” President Magufuli said.

Turkey wins bid to finance, build $1.9b Tanzania's SGR

IamLee · Nov 23, 2017

ichoboy01 said:
Ndio mkopo anatafuta tena soft loan lakini kaonesha ujasiri mkubwa wakutoa 3.16 billion usd cash kwa 712 km for phase one and two 😀😀😀

Tanzania itakutoa jasho kaka 😛😛😛

Piw hii utasema ni wakenya waliandika

Tanzania’s proposed standard gauge railway risk stalling as the government is still struggling to find donors who can inject $1.2 billion into the project.
A group of legislators warned that the project is at the brink of collapse due to financial deficit unless the national government consider other avenues of acquiring a 15-year low interest railway bond.
Tanzania’s president John Pombe Magufuli has been lobbying heads of states and other countries overseas like Chine to get financial assistance. He recently reached out to South Africa’s president Jacob Zuma to help Dar-Es-Salaam secure a low interest bond from the Brics Development Bank, of which South Africa is a partner.
“I have asked President Jacob Zuma to help us secure a low interest loan from Brics to finance particularly the SGR project,” President Magufuli said.
The project was initiated by the former president Jakaya Kikwete but was suspended by Magufuli when he came to power. Magufuli had suspended a Chinese contractor over alleged irregularities in the tendering process.
President Magufuli had also requested the World Bank President Dr Jim Yong Kim to help in financing the project during his visit to Tanzania in March this year. The world Bank had claimed that the SGR was not viable in the region and had therefore issued $200 million to renovate the old railway line.
Tanzania’s 2561km standard-gauge railway

Tanzania struggles to get bonds to finance standard gauge railway | Africanews

IamLee · Nov 23, 2017

ichoboy01 said:
Ndio mkopo anatafuta tena soft loan lakini kaonesha ujasiri mkubwa wakutoa 3.16 billion usd cash kwa 712 km for phase one and two 😀😀😀

Tanzania itakutoa jasho kaka 😛😛😛

IamLee · Nov 23, 2017

This follows the signing of a Sh200 billion ($1.92 billion) deal with the Tanzanian government to undertake the project that includes the replacement of the existing century-old narrow gauge line with a new standard-gauge railway line.
According to the firm’s vice chairman Erdem Arioglu, the deal to build the second phase of the 1,224-km standard gauge railway that will eventually connect Dar es Salaam to Mwanza, is “one of the biggest agreements signed by a single Turkish contractor abroad”.

So hakuna cha "tulitoa pesa cash tena"

But Tanzanians have a funny way of doing things, frankly let me ask, how does one launch a phase II of a project when the 1st phase has not begun yet... Is it sensible?
Kenya's phase 2 was so quiet while it's almost 50% finished by now. Your's was really hyped

IamLee · Nov 24, 2017

Jay456watt said:
nlishatoka huko ka discuss na nyanyako mambo hayo ili ujiliwaze angalau

Jay456watt leo umewaweza hawa vijana wa tandale mpaka wamejichanganya kusema loan hawajaomba, alafu china ipo tayari... Wakati tunajua vile walinyenyekea Zuma wakiomba hela.
Watu ambao hawana aibu hata kidogo kulinganisha mambo yaliyojengwa tayari inayofanya kazi na yaliyo kwenye vijikaratasi.

joto la jiwe · Nov 24, 2017

IamLee said:
This follows the signing of a Sh200 billion ($1.92 billion) deal with the Tanzanian government to undertake the project that includes the replacement of the existing century-old narrow gauge line with a new standard-gauge railway line.
According to the firm’s vice chairman Erdem Arioglu, the deal to build the second phase of the 1,224-km standard gauge railway that will eventually connect Dar es Salaam to Mwanza, is “one of the biggest agreements signed by a single Turkish contractor abroad”.

So hakuna cha "tulitoa pesa cash tena"

But Tanzanians have a funny way of doing things, frankly let me ask, how does one launch a phase II of a project when the 1st phase has not begun yet... Is it sensible?
Kenya's phase 2 was so quiet while it's almost 50% finished by now. Your's was really hyped

Hapo ndipo Kenya mnakuwa na matatizo na rest of the world, tatizo lenu ninyi you never think outside the box, mnadhani kitu kikifanyika Kenya basi ni hivyo hivyo tu, mtu akijaribu kufanya tofauti hamuelewi.

Ngoja nikujulishe, ujenzi wa reli ya Kenya na Tanzania ni tofauti sana, Kenya wamepata pesa kutoka source moja tu, exim Bank ya China, ambayo ndiyo iliyochagua contractor toka china, ambaye atajenga reli yote toka mwanzo hadi mwisho, ujenzi wa aina hii unafanywa kwa phases, yaani exim bank inatoa pesa za phase ya kwanza na hawawezi kutoa tena pesa kwa ajili ya phase ya pili hadi ya kwanza imalizike na wakague waridhike, ndiyo watoe pesa kwa ajili ya phase inayofuata, mfumo wa aina hiyo huku kwetu unatumika katika ujenzi wa BRT, ambapo mfadhili ni World Bank na contractor ni Strabarg.

Katika ujenzi wa SGR tunatumia mfumo tofauti na huu wa single financier, single contractor, huku tunatumia multiple financers, multiple contractors, wote wanafanya kazi kwa wakati mmoja, phases hazisubiriani, every phase has its financer and has its own contractor, hope umeelewa

El Matador · Nov 24, 2017

No superhighways
No modern port
No world class airport
No SGR...

lakini maneno mengi na kelele kama chiriku....
wengine wanasema ati sijui Morocco square ni mall kama two rivers....

I mean these people are so hard to believe.........wanajua sisi ni majirani ambao wanaeza letea mzaha na utani na tunacheka na wao out of ujirani poa but ukienda thread kama nairaland na nchi kama Tanzania hata kitu cha kuweka mezani hamna.....watanzania tieni bidii muwache aibu ndogo ndogo.......
Mji wa Dar pia outside the cbd kariakoo upanga peninsula ni maajabu isiyoeleweka .Nairobi ina mitaa duni ila zimejificha sehemu ndogondogo ukiwa unatour Nairobi ni ngumu uone hata moja hadi upelekwe humo.....

Kwa kweli Tanzania wamejaribu kutoka usingizini ila wamechelewa kidogo...

And FYI lamu port will be launched in 2020

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