Battle: Dar es Salaam vs Nairobi

Battle: Dar es Salaam vs Nairobi

mwaiofhawaii said:
Coz Hamas has held Palestians hostage in Gaza after they illegally overthrew PLO’s Fatah that was the democratically elected party just like Fatah runs West Bank ( the main Palestian enclave)… the reality is Israel 🇮🇱 will never cease to exist as long as the United States remains the world’s superpower and that ain’t changing any time soon….plus also Israel is militarily very powerful …PLO understands that and am sure they are willing on conditions to accept a 2 state solution… but Hamas manifesto calls for Jewish state anihilation no matter how long it takes and similar principle is shared by Hamas proxies, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah in Lebanon and their godfather, the Ayatollah and Mullahs of Iran 🇮🇷..
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PLO has been struggling for a long time to form a free Palestinian state but that hasn't being successful. Hamas hasn't been around that long and it's rage is the result of Palestinians been held hostage, as slaves in their own land for far to long.
mwaiofhawaii said:
So put yourself in Israel’s shoes… am not saying they are fully innocent in the conflict especially when it comes to new settlements expansion but how would you negotiate with a group that doesn’t believe in your existence?… it’s impossible… I want peace and that’s not possible as long as Hamas exist… Hamas must be first destroyed and then let Fatah take back Gaza and hopefully we can give Peace accords a chance…and that’s my take and I stand by it..
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It's a chicken and egg thing. All blame is on Hamas but this is a 70 year old issue. Hamas was formed about 15yrs ago, if the Zionist would have made it possible to have a two state establishment, there wouldn't have been no Hamas.
 
mwaiofhawaii said:
Remember when Al Shabaab started kidnapping Kenyans and tourists across our border, Kibaki had no choice but ordered KDF to invade Somalia to eradicate the threat and we kicked them from their government headquarters in Kismayu and turned them into a scattered gorilla warfare outfit…. Many Somalis suffered from the invasion but we had to do what we had to do to ensure our safety and survival…. Likewise Israel has been doing the same in regards to Hamas in Gaza..
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This is a totally different issue, Kenyans didn't come from some country abroad, they have been in their homeland for ages, they have the right to defend their land against Al shabaab. Israel on the other hand was formed by the British in 1948. You can argue about the promise land in the old testament but we're not even sure the Jews we see today are the descendants of the twelve tribes of Israel. Some can argue that they're not the real Jews, especially when they discriminate against Ethiopians Jews who are known descendants of King Solomon.
mwaiofhawaii said:
I know it’s cruel but how else is Israel 🇮🇱 supposed to survive when Hamas is shooting rockets towards Israel on a daily basis… remember all this blockade started when Hamas took over Gaza illegally from Fatah with their main objective being destruction of the Jewish state….So Israel has to ensure they control what goes in and out else the repercussions for the alternative is not pretty… unfortunately poor innocent in Gaza are caught is this proxy war and are suffering and also unable to rise against Hamas …Blockade will end when Hamas disappears from Gaza…
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Again, you're putting the cart before the horse, what we see today is the result of the pain and suffering of the Palestinians for the last 70 years. I'm not condoning this violence but If there was no enslavement and killings, nothing like this would have happened.
 
NairobiWalker said:
Your sentiments are subjective - mere opinions. Some people agree with you some don't. You do not tell Kenyans which side to take. Same way I see you guys arguing here between Ukraine and Russia which some taking the Russian side while others take the Ukrainian side.
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The Ukraine SMO was justified to denazify the remnants of the followers of Stepen Bandera.
 
Chamoto said:
Was there a group called Azon battalion shelling people in the donbass? Is that an opinion or fact?
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Let me explain something to you.
In war and politics, it all depends on who is telling the story. It is a fact that Ibrahim Traore disposed Paul-Henri as the Burkinabe president. What is not a fact is who is right and who is wrong - at that point it all depends on who you ask. Same way it is a fact that the original EAC Community broke up in 1977. What is not a fact is who was wrong and who was right in the break-up - Tanzanians will say Kenya was wrong and Tz was right, Kenyans will say the opposite. Those are opinions. Have you understood?
 
NairobiWalker said:
Let me explain something to you.
In war and politics, it all depends on who is telling the story. It is a fact that Ibrahim Traore disposed Paul-Henri as the Burkinabe president. What is not a fact is who is right and who is wrong - at that point it all depends on who you ask. Same way it is a fact that the original EAC Community broke up in 1977. What is not a fact is who was wrong and who was right in the break-up - Tanzanians will say Kenya was wrong and Tz was right, Kenyans will say the opposite. Those are opinions. Have you understood?
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You can still weigh the two sides to get to the truth.
 
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