Battle: Dar es Salaam vs Nairobi

Battle: Dar es Salaam vs Nairobi

Lusematic said:
Iko poa sana
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REAL Comrade Kipepe said:
Hiz estate nyingi ni mchango wa private sector: Kenya, South Africa. They look so good, but only a fool doesnt know what it takes to own one. Ni very expensive.

Ni Bora tuendeleze shirika letu la nyumba la Taifa NHC.
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Housing is expensive. It always is. Real estate is one of the greatest assets one can own!

What you’re talking about is called AFFORDABLE HOUSING, and it’s meant for low-income citizens. And just FYI, I looked at this project in great detail and found out that they do offer some affordable housing options in the form of duplexes and detached units.

NHC has many projects, not just for affordable housing. Unaweza guess Morocco Square, a 3 bedroom apartment inaweza kuuzwa Kwa shillings ngapi? It should be VERY expensive. Isn’t Morocco Square an NHC project? But do compare that with some of their other projects (affordable housing), which are much more reasonable.

The real question is, is NHC capable of providing enough housing units in the entire nation? There are private stakeholders who have been investing in real estate development projects, especially in Dar, and people are BUYING.

Just because you’re a communist, it doesn’t mean that government
-run institutions are always efficient and effective. “Ni bora tuendeleze shirika letu la nyumba la taifa NHC.” Most of their housing development projects are homogeneous, and unattractive. And they don’t care about other amenities like sewerage systems, parks, and paved roads! Not to mention the fact that some of their projects like Seven Eleven in Kawe and the one in the outskirts of Arusha have been STALLED for years! Hell, even Morocco Square is actually stalled in case you all didn’t know!

If this country depended on NHC to build homes alone, many would be homeless. The private sector is CRUCIAL in developing housing projects.

What it takes to own a house is MONEY, and the real question here should be how our financial institutions play part in helping citizens afford to pay for housing. People abroad pay for houses like that in terms of mortgages.
 
Walker255 said:
Housing is expensive. It always is. Real estate is one of the greatest assets one can own!

What you’re talking about is called AFFORDABLE HOUSING, and it’s meant for low-income citizens. And just FYI, I looked at this project in great detail and found out that they do offer some affordable housing options in the form of duplexes and detached units.

NHC has many projects, not just for affordable housing. Unaweza guess Morocco Square, a 3 bedroom apartment inaweza kuuzwa Kwa shillings ngapi? It should be VERY expensive. Isn’t Morocco Square an NHC project? But do compare that with some of their other projects (affordable housing), which are much more reasonable.

The real question is, is NHC capable of providing enough housing units in the entire nation? There are private stakeholders who have been investing in real estate development projects, especially in Dar, and people are BUYING.

Just because you’re a communist, it doesn’t mean that government
-run institutions are always efficient and effective. “Ni bora tuendeleze shirika letu la nyumba la taifa NHC.” Most of their housing development projects are homogeneous, and unattractive. And they don’t care about other amenities like sewerage systems and paved roads! Not to mention the fact that some of their projects like Seven Eleven in Kawe and the one in the outskirts of Arusha have been STALLED for years! Hell, even Morocco Square is actually stalled in case you all didn’t know!

If this country depended on NHC to build homes alone, many would be homeless. The private sector is CRUCIAL in developing housing projects.

What it takes to own a house is MONEY, and the real question here should be how our financial institutions play part in helping citizens afford to pay for housing. People abroad pay for houses like that in terms of mortgages.
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Hizo projects unaongelea zilisimamishwa na Magu kwakua hela zilipelekwa kwenye miradi ya afya na kwingineko na wameshatangaza kuzianza tangu huyu maza achukue ndio maana unaona Mzizima tower shughuli zinaendelea na hizo projects zote wameanza.

Maelezo mengi umetoa utafikiri mimi ni mzaliwa wa Kibondo. Mi jimetoka Tanzania nikiwa mdogo under 20 nafikiri, last time nilikuja Tanzania ni 2005 or 6/7 sikumbuki vizuri hopefully, ntakuja december na pia nimezunguka zunguka huku na huko hapa duniani.

Hizo unaita affordable bado ni very expensive kwa raia wa kawaida huko ulaya/america na ni mamilionea tu wenye uwezo wa kununua cash, wengi hujitia mzigo wa madeni na kuzilipia kwa miaka mingi sana hata 20yrs or zaidi na hiyo ni nyumba ya kawaida sana.

Kwenye hizo nchi kuna mambo mengi sana. Nyumba ya kawaida inaweza kuwa cheap or expensive depending na maeneo ilipo, house in Malibu, California ama Aspen, Colorado. Private sector wako kibiashara zaidi na sio kutatua matatizo housing hata rents ziko juu mno ndio maana hizo pande watu wanashare pa-kuishi.
 
REAL Comrade Kipepe said:
Hizo projects unaongelea zilisimamishwa na Magu kwakua hela zilipelekwa kwenye miradi ya afya na kwingineko na wameshatangaza tangu huyu maza achukue ndio maana unaona Mzizima tower shughuli zinaendelea na hizo projects zote wameanza.

Maelezo mengi umetoa utafikiri mimi ni mzaliwa wa Kibondo. Mi jimetoka Tanzania nikiwa mdogo under 20 nafikiri, last time nilikuja Tanzania ni 2005 or 6/7 sikumbuki vizuri hopefully, ntakuja december na pia nimezunguka zunguka huku na huko hapa duniani.

Hizo unaita affordable bado ni very expensive kwa raia wa kawaida huko ulaya/america na ni mamilionea tu wenye uwezo wa kununua cash, wengi hujitia mzigo wa madeni na kuzilipia kwa miaka mingi sana hata 20yrs or zaidi na hiyo ni nyumba ya kawaida sana.

Kwenye hizo nchi kuna mambo mengi sana. Nyumba ya kawaida inaweza kuwa cheap or expensive depending na maeneo ilipo, house in Malibu, California ama Aspen, Colorado. Private sector wako kibiashara zaidi na sio kutatua matatizo housing hata rents ziko juu mno ndio maana hizo pande watu wanashare pa-kuishi.
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Why are you comparing Western housing projects to those that are supposed to be in Tanzania? What’s the median household income in TZ?

Do you know what the median household income in America is? For the whole country. I haven’t asked about states like Maryland, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York etc. Americans are wealthy. And mortgages are one of the things they spend much of their money on just like they do with college education and healthcare. It’s a pain in the butt, but that’s what you do to get by. That said, affordable housing units are subsidized! They are meant for people in a low income bracket. Their city governments facilitie that with their policies. So, they do ensure that only people who are eligible can apply for occupancy.

House prices in the US differ by state, by city, and of course, by zip code. As you’ve mentioned, a house in Aspen or Malibu would certainly cost a fortune, but even cheaper homes in America are still so expensive to be compared with an average family home in Tanzania. Let’s talk about this with some perspective, okay?


And when we talk about NHC projects, you can see that Government-run projects are always problematic. Lots of red tape and policy changes. The money that was meant for NHC was taken away by Magu to pay for whatever he had planned to do with the money. That’s why those projects stalled. On the other hand, Private real estate development firms came to the rescue and continued to develop housing projects all over the city. It’s completely ludicrous to think that NHC is the only entity you can rely on for housing development. Government run institutions, especially in developing countries are almost never efficient.
 
Walker255 said:
Why are you comparing Western housing projects and those that are supposed to be in Tanzania? What’s the median household income in TZ?

Do you know what the median household income in America is? For the whole country. I haven’t asked about states like Maryland, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York etc. Americans are wealthy. And mortgages are one of the things they spend much of their money on just like they do with college education and healthcare. It’s a pain in the butt, but that’s what you do to get by. That said, affordable housing units are subsidized! They are meant for people in a low income bracket. Their city governments facilitie that with their policies. So, they do ensure that only people who are eligible can apply for occupancy.

House prices in the US differ by state, by city, and of course, by zip code. As you’ve mentioned, a house in Aspen or Malibu would certainly cost a fortune, but even cheaper homes in America are still so expensive to be compared with an average family home in Tanzania. Let’s talk about this with some perspective, okay?


And when we talk about NHC projects, you can see that Government-run projects are always problematic. Lots of red tape and policy changes. The money that was meant for NHC was taken away by Magu to pay for whatever he had planned to do with the money. That’s why those projects stalled. On the other hand, Private real estate development firms came to the rescue and continued to develop housing projects all over the city. It’s completely ludicrous to think that NHC is the only entity you can rely on for housing development. Government run institutions, especially in developing countries are almost never efficient.
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Nimejaribu tu kukwambia kuwa hii insu naijua vyema sana na kwa upana na wala sijasema tudepend on NHC pekee, hanapa. Tuweka policies nzuri kwa private sector kwa hili eneo na pia ni vyema kuishika serikali kuliweka sawa hili shirika NHC kifedha kila mwaka na kuhakikisha linakua na projects za viwango vya juu.

Hilo linawezekana sana, ni usimamizi tu. Tukitegemea private sector pekee tutachelewa mno. Yupo lawyer mmoja hapo New York, yeye ana endesha mashamba ya machungwa na cocoa hapo Tanzania.

Alikuwa anampinga sana Magu kufund SGR akitaka iwe funded na private sector kama projects kubwa zinavyokuwa funded huko. Mimi na best wangu tulipinga hili sana kwakua ni ngumu sana. Hao private sector waje tu, nani kawakataza? Itachukua muda sana tukiwasubiri hao.

Kwani wamezuiwa? Wako wapi? They come at their convenient time labda mseme kuna shida mahala ndio maana they are not here mpaka sasa.
 
The best 007 said:
Picha tu hyo kaka, jamaa wapo hodari kupost picha zilizowekwa shedo, waambie wapige picha kwa mikono yao eneo hilo alafu wapost humu.
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Punguza wivu mzee. Hio park unasingizia eti ina uchafu yet bado ipo ujenzini na bado haijafunguliwa kwa umma?
 
Walker255 said:
Why are you comparing Western housing projects and those that are supposed to be in Tanzania? What’s the median household income in TZ?

Do you know what the median household income in America is? For the whole country. I haven’t asked about states like Maryland, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York etc. Americans are wealthy. And mortgages are one of the things they spend much of their money on just like they do with college education and healthcare. It’s a pain in the butt, but that’s what you do to get by. That said, affordable housing units are subsidized! They are meant for people in a low income bracket. Their city governments facilitie that with their policies. So, they do ensure that only people who are eligible can apply for occupancy.

House prices in the US differ by state, by city, and of course, by zip code. As you’ve mentioned, a house in Aspen or Malibu would certainly cost a fortune, but even cheaper homes in America are still so expensive to be compared with an average family home in Tanzania. Let’s talk about this with some perspective, okay?


And when we talk about NHC projects, you can see that Government-run projects are always problematic. Lots of red tape and policy changes. The money that was meant for NHC was taken away by Magu to pay for whatever he had planned to do with the money. That’s why those projects stalled. On the other hand, Private real estate development firms came to the rescue and continued to develop housing projects all over the city. It’s completely ludicrous to think that NHC is the only entity you can rely on for housing development. Government run institutions, especially in developing countries are almost never efficient.
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Even in Kenya, real estate is mainly built by the private sector. Kenyan government plays a minimal role.
 
REAL Comrade Kipepe said:
Nimejaribu tu kukwambia kuwa hii insu naijua vyema sana na kwa upana na wala sijasema tudepend on NHC pekee, hanapa. Tuweka policies nzuri kwa private sector kwa hili eneo na pia ni vyema kuishika serikali kuliweka sawa hili shirika NHC kifedha kila mwaka na kuhakikisha linakua na projects za viwango vya juu.

Hilo linawezekana sana, ni usimamizi tu. Tukitegemea private sector pekee tutachelewa mno. Yupo lawyer mmoja hapo New York, yeye ana endesha mashamba ya machungwa na cocoa hapo Tanzania.

Alikuwa anampinga sana Magu kufund SGR akitaka iwe funded na private sector kama projects kubwa zinavyokuwa funded huko. Mimi na best wangu tulipinga hili sana kwakua ni ngumu sana. Hao private sector waje tu, nani kawakataza? Itachukua muda sana tukiwasubiri hao.

Kwani wamezuiwa? Wako wapi? They come at their convenient time labda mseme kuna shida mahala ndio maana they are not here mpaka sasa.
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Hivi sisi tutafanya nini sasa, kila kitu private sector, hao private sector wenyewe hawaji.
Na private sector gani atakuja kujenga nyumba kwenye nchi ambayo kila mtu anaruhusiwa kujenga atakavyo?
Unakuta nhc kajenga mradi wa nyumba 20 sehemu, hizo nyumba hazijapata watu labda for 5 yrs or more.
Inabidi ziwepo sheria zinazobana watu kujenga hovyo ili hizo private sector zifanye biashara, anyway wananchi nao ni private sector.
Ujenzi wa nyumba ni kama inavyofanyika kwenye brt, brt ilipoanza kazi ukawekwa utaratibu wa ku phase out daladala taratibu.
Sisi tumezoea kuchekeana ndio maana kila kitu private sector.
 
Geza Ulole said:
Si wakati wote GMOs zinatumika with bioethics in mind! Mfano chukulia makampuni ya Mosanto yanapita forests zote duniani in the name of bio-research only kuishia ku-patent indigenous seeds! Biotheft!!

Halafu wanafanya genetic modification kutoruhusu mbegu kutumika kupanda zaidi ya mara moja! Pia hata aina ya mbolea na pesticide zinazoendana na mbegu!

Unajua madhara yake? Ku-control global seed business na pia kufanya poor countries kuwa dependent kwao maana ruhusa ya kuzalisha mbegu kwa njia ya asili huna kwa vile wame-patent native seeds from respective countries!

Matokeo yake tunabaki kununua GMO seeds zilizo sokoni kila msimu! Seeds should not be commercialized! Tanzania should maintain her own native seeds bank kama Bashe anavyofanya na GMOs seeds kwa vyakula vya binadamu na wanyama ziendelee kuzuiwa.

Mbona hujiulizi Kenya wanatumia GMO Seeds for many years now na mbona bado wana njaa? Kama bio engineering/modification is a big deal, mbona wana food insecurity na tunawalisha?

Kiutamaduni mababu zetu walikuwa wakigawana au kubadilishana mbegu kila wakitembeleana au kipindi za mavuno kama vile Wazungu wanavyofanya after Xmas on boxing day!

GMO seeds zinaua that fabric in our African traditional! No one has seed banks anymore kama ilivyokuwa enzi hizo kila mji wa mtu ulikuwa na kihenje cha mbegu! Sasa hivi seedco shops ndo vihenje vya mbegu in exchange of money every planting season!

Unfortunately the seeds r selective on kind of nutrients, no more organic fertiliser can be applied to them but a chemical one specified by a seed company.
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Kama unajua" Genetics" basi ungekubaliana na Mimi kwamba haiwezikani kurudia mbegu ambayo ilishafanyiwa" cross breeding", kumbuka kwamba "Genetic Engineering ni science inayofanyika katika maabara, haiwezi kufanyika shambani.

Mbona hujiulizi kwanini vifaranga vya kuku wa kisiasa lazima vizalishwe upya badala ya kuruhusu kuku wa kisasa wazaliane wenyewe badala yake unawauza wote na kununua vifaranga wapya?.

Leo hii soko la kuku duniani limetawaliwa na kuku wa kisasa by 99%, hivi kweli kama tungetegemea kuku wa kienyeji hadi Leo upatikanaji wa nyama na mayai duniani na bei yake ingekuaje?, Waafrika tusingemudu kabisa kununua kuku

Hii habari ya kwamba lengo la makampuni ni kuhakikisha mbegu hazipatikani ili wadhibiti soko la mbegu duniani, sio kweli hata kidogo,. Kama inavyo fanyika katika dawa za binadamu na chanjo za binadamu, Kuna Sheria ambayo inaruhusu Elimu yoyote ambayo ni kwa ajili ya Afya na uhai wa binadamu kuruhusu nchi au viwanda kuzalisha kwa bei nafuu Kama ilivyotokea kwenye dawa za UKIMWI.

Kuhusu Kenya, wewe unajua wazi kwamba Kenya hawajui walitendalo katika suala Zima la uzalishaji wa chakula, hawalimi chakula ardhi kubwa hutumika kuzalisha matunda na maua ya wazungu, Nina uhakika Del Monte pale Kenya yale mananasi yake ni GMO, au tuwaulize wakenya wenyewe, ni kwa kiasi gani Kenya wanatumia mbegu za GMO, haiwezi zaidi 2%, Sasa unategemea nini hapo?

Mbona hujiulizi kwanini Japan ambayo wanafanya kilimo kwa 5% ya nchi ambayo ardhi ya kilimo Japan ni chini ya hector 1M lakini wanazalisha Mchele mwingi kuzidi Africa nzima?,.iweje Afrika yote tunategemea ngano toka Ukraine?, The Netherlands nchi haizidi mkoa wa Morogoro kwa ukubwa wa eneo, lakini ni namba tatu duniani kwa kuzalisha viazi mviringo na namba Moja kwa kuzalisha maua duniani?

Mkuu lazima tuachane na mawazo ya kizamani na tuanze kukumbatia sayansi, Leo hii Afrika haiwezi hata kujilisha pamoja na kuwepo na ardhi kubwa na mito mingi kwasababu ya kushikilia kilimo na ufugaji wa asili Mambo ambayo hayaendani kabisa na mabadiliko ya tabia nchi.

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Makupa Causeways Bridge - Mombasa. Probably the widest bridge in Sub-sahara Africa. 8 lanes
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In the next few days an SGR train can depart from Dar to Dom all throughout the way without any doubt, almost 750 kilometers journey meanwhile kunyaland buzaa project stuck in the middle of nowhere 😄😄😄😄 only 400 kilometers of low standard project turned then out broke as hell 😁😁😁😁




Kunyaland dummy project on its Calvary of Golgotha 😄😄😄

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joto la jiwe said:
Kama unajua" Genetics" basi ungekubaliana na Mimi kwamba haiwezikani kurudia mbegu ambayo ilishafanyiwa" cross breeding", kumbuka kwamba "Genetic Engineering ni science inayofanyika katika maabara, haiwezi kufanyika shambani.

Mbona hujiulizi kwanini vifaranga vya kuku wa kisiasa lazima vizalishwe upya badala ya kuruhusu kuku wa kisasa wazaliane wenyewe badala yake unawauza wote na kununua vifaranga wapya?.

Leo hii soko la kuku duniani limetawaliwa na kuku wa kisasa by 99%, hivi kweli kama tungetegemea kuku wa kienyeji hadi Leo upatikanaji wa nyama na mayai duniani na bei yake ingekuaje?, Waafrika tusingemudu kabisa kununua kuku

Hii habari ya kwamba lengo la makampuni ni kuhakikisha mbegu hazipatikani ili wadhibiti soko la mbegu duniani, sio kweli hata kidogo,. Kama inavyo fanyika katika dawa za binadamu na chanjo za binadamu, Kuna Sheria ambayo inaruhusu Elimu yoyote ambayo ni kwa ajili ya Afya na uhai wa binadamu kuruhusu nchi au viwanda kuzalisha kwa bei nafuu Kama ilivyotokea kwenye dawa za UKIMWI.

Kuhusu Kenya, wewe unajua wazi kwamba Kenya hawajui walitendalo katika suala Zima la uzalishaji wa chakula, hawalimi chakula ardhi kubwa hutumika kuzalisha matunda na maua ya wazungu, Nina uhakika Del Monte pale Kenya yale mananasi yake ni GMO, au tuwaulize wakenya wenyewe, ni kwa kiasi gani Kenya wanatumia mbegu za GMO, haiwezi zaidi 2%, Sasa unategemea nini hapo?

Mbona hujiulizi kwanini Japan ambayo wanafanya kilimo kwa 5% ya nchi ambayo ardhi ya kilimo Japan ni chini ya hector 1M lakini wanazalisha Mchele mwingi kuzidi Africa nzima?,.iweje Afrika yote tunategemea ngano toka Ukraine?, The Netherlands nchi haizidi mkoa wa Morogoro kwa ukubwa wa eneo, lakini ni namba tatu duniani kwa kuzalisha viazi mviringo na namba Moja kwa kuzalisha maua duniani?

Mkuu lazima tuachane na mawazo ya kizamani na tuanze kukumbatia sayansi, Leo hii Afrika haiwezi hata kujilisha pamoja na kuwepo na ardhi kubwa na mito mingi kwasababu ya kushikilia kilimo na ufugaji wa asili Mambo ambayo hayaendani kabisa na mabadiliko ya tabia nchi.

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Kwani cross breeding imefanyilka mara ya kwanza duniani kipindi cha GMO wacha kuwa shallow kwenye haya maneno kuto-germinate kunafanywa deliberately na GMO firms in the name of monopolistic commercialisation of seeds tena mbaya baada ya kz-patent natural seeds!

Si wewe ndo unajua hii maneno peke yako! Kuna sababu Tanzania inayolisha the region imekataa GMOs in food growing as inataka ku-remain independent n food secure.

Wacha kuchanganya madesa unataka kusema vifaranga vile havitokani na mayai ya kuku? Kuku akiachwa kuhatamia mayai aliyotaga hatatotoa kifaranga? Na kifaranga kikiachwa kikue hakitarudia reproduction cycle?

BTW what do u know about utotoaji wa vifaranga hebu elezea GMO inatumika kivipi maana I have realized kuna kitu huna ufahamu nacho!
 

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