'Who created God' is an Illogical Question!

[gasgas]

If Gods book has any contradiction however minimal, what does that say about that God?

Why and how did God allow any contradiction to get into his book?

Was this God taking a break and sleeping while the contradictions creeped into the texts?

Or is it that this God does not exist at all, and the error are because the books were written by people and this God is a human fabrication?

What if i put it to you that they are not contradictions

They are simply Bible verses that disagree seemingly on their own but when connected to other bible verses the truth is revealed that they are actually not contradicting but they are expanding on each other to bring forth a common message?


Ever thought of that?

 

[Kiranga]

What if ana mapepo?

Yeye si haamini hayapo
Actually amesema hayapo
Why should he be bothered?

Hicho kidongo.

Anasema wanaoamini Mungu hawana mantiki.

Wakishindwa hoja wanaweza kutoa "Deus ex Machina" yoyote kwa sababu hawana hoja.

Wanaweza hata kusema nina mapepo kama jibu la mkato wakishindwa kujibu hoja ngumu.

 

[Kiranga]

Who told you Mungu amejificha?

Just because you cant see Him doesn't mean he's not there

We don't see your memory and intelligence
But we know it's there right (if it's actually there that is)

Hujathibitisha Mungu yupo.

Kabla ya kusema hajajificha, thibitisha kwamba yupo.

 

[Kiranga]

And i have come to realize something.
You seem like you don't want to receive anything that is against what you have preconceived and won't be moved and won't accept anything remotely

If that is the case, tell me and i could save my energy and use it elsewhere where it will be productive and will yield great fruit

I am very open to change.

I would actually prefer for a God to exist.

That would lift a lot of responsibility from my shoulders.

Sadly, the evidence points otherwise.

Your Bible is full of unresolved contradictions.

That shows it is not the word of God.

Because God does not exist.

 

[souljah meditater]

Naomba malaika ashuke azime mitandao ya kijamii

Malaika nao hawapo ni stori tu

 

[gasgas]

Likewise to natural disastrous,What was he doing at the exact moments when earthquakes and hurricanes hit Haiti?

Was he aware of the situations but decided not to rescue Haitians from miseries?...then he has no love to all people.

Was he eager to rescue Haitians but he was unable to do so?....then he is unable to do everything.

He was willing and able to do so but he did nothing because those disastrous are processes incorporated in his creation.....then he is not a masterdesigner.

You see to an atheist death is the worst thing that could happen.
Why? Because you really don't know or believe anything that comes after that.

To us believers death is not the worst thing that could happen because death opens way to eternal life, a life that lasts a loot longer than these odd 70 years on Earth
There's a promise of heaven in scriptures, there's a promise of a sinless world where we can trully relate to God much closer without there being sin

 

[ShyaRuwa]

kweli kabisa kiongozi.
Ngoja tuone kama wataweza kutusaidia leo kutuombea kumuona ili nasi tuamin kama Mosses.

Eti mtu anathubutu kabisa kusema...Nimeongea na Mungu....Hahahaaa, kuna watu ni hatari sana....unaongea na kitu usichojua kama kipo? huo siyo mwanzo wa ukichaa?

 

[Kiranga]

What if i put it to you that they are not contradictions

They are simply Bible verses that disagree seemingly on their own but when connected to other bible verses the truth is revealed that they are actually not contradicting but they are expanding on each other to bring forth a common message?


Ever thought of that?

That is cognitive dissonance pulling a "deus ex machina".

Why did God allow numeric inconsistencies in the Bible if at all the Bible is the holy book of God?

Why did God not protect his book against simple numeric inconsistencies so that its credibility would not be questioned?

 

[eltontz]

We are agreed the origin of the universe is the Big Bing Bang. Question- do we need a God to set it all
up so a Big Bang can bang?

In think that is the theory not fact

 

[Kiranga]

Likewise to natural disastrous,What was he doing at the exact moments when earthquakes and hurricanes hit Haiti?

Was he aware of the situations but decided not to rescue Haitians from miseries?...then he has no love to all people.

Was he eager to rescue Haitians but he was unable to do so?....then he is unable to do everything.

He was willing and able to do so but he did nothing because those disastrous are processes incorporated in his creation.....then he is not a masterdesigner.

God is an idea created by man.

There is no actual omnipotent, omniscient and omni benevolent God.

This can be demonstrated logically.

 

[gasgas]

I am very open to change.

I would actually prefer for a God to exist.

That would lift a lot if responsibility from my shoulders.

Sadly, the evidence points otherwise.

Your Bible is full of unresolved contradictions.

That shows it is not the word of God.

Because God does not exist.

Please brother refer to a quote above where i said they are not contradictions.

When two verses seem to disagree we look for more verses to explain the discrepancy
in the end we do realize that these verses don't disagree in such but one speaks more about another, one describes another



Don't you think if those you call "contradictions" havent been solved. There are bible scholars who have devoted their lives for this and have been able to clear these seemingly disagreeing concepts and find the explanation in the same book


The same thing is done in science
Two scientists disagree, a third, fourth, fifth scientist goes on research to find the meaning and what is the connection between the two that seemed to disagree etc

That is how you understand the word
It's not to be read as a story book
Because God himself is not a story
It requires greater revelation than just reading two scriptures, and think that is all there is to it

 

[gasgas]

God is an idea created by man.

There is no actual omnipotent, omniscient and omni benevolent God.

This can be demonstrated logically.

No it can't

 

[descarte]

I

Habari zenu wana JF. Leo nataka niwaletee ukweli ambao wapinga mungu kama Kiranga huwa hawauelewi. Swali hilo ni hili.

Swali: Je, kama Mungu yupo, nani alimuumba Mungu? (Au ametokea wapi?)

Jibu: Mungu ana sifa ya kutokuwa na mwanzo wala mwisho, hivyo hilo swali halina mantiki. Pia tufanye kuwa Mungu ameumbwa, kwa hiyo logic ni kuwa aliyemuumba naye anatakiwa awe ameumbwa, na kuendelea. Hivyo ni wazi kuwa kutakuwa na miungu infinity kitu ambacho ni Illogical. Hivyo namaliza kwa kusema kuwa, Swali la Who Created God is an illogical question.

It is also illogical just as someone who says that there must a first cause who is uncaused.

 

[ShyaRuwa]

You see to an atheist death is the worst thing that could happen.
Why? Because you really don't know or believe anything that comes after that.

To us believers death is not the worst thing that could happen because death opens way to eternal life, a life that lasts a loot longer than these odd 70 years on Earth
There's a promise of heaven in scriptures, there's a promise of a sinless world where we can trully relate to God much closer without there being sin

Ok, perhaps death is a good thing to the Theists,...But:

Why Jesus cried when Lazaro died?

Why people all over the world cry once their beloveds are gone?

Why are sick people goes to church to ask God to heal them and not to kill them?

Do you know what a cry symbolize?

Who told you death is worst thing to atheist?

 

[gasgas]

Malaika nao hawapo ni stori tu

Yeah
Story kwako wewe and people who think the same as you

 

[descarte]

We can see God's power in everything we see. If fact Kiranga you don't know what God wants. God want you to TRUST him. You can not see God without first to TRUST him. God want you to do good deeds even when you can't feel him in your surrounding.

I ask you one thing. Can you prove if demons exist? If you cant, then how do you explain demonic possessions?

Trust me, even science failed completely to explain how and why people get possessed with demons! They will never explain scientifically because it is not a scientific fact, its a spiritual fact.

So, God is a spiritual fact, dwelling in an immaterial place, so you can't scientifically prove him for the same reasons as applied in demonic possessions.

But we all know that demons exist by looking the effects they do, in our environment.

Got me?

How do you know they exist? Isn't that your mental creation?

 

[Kiranga]

Please brother refer to a quote above where i said they are not contradictions.

When two verses seem to disagree we look for more verses to explain the discrepancy
in the end we do realize that these verses don't disagree in such but one speaks more about another, one describes another



Don't you think if those you call "contradictions" havent been solved. There are bible scholars who have devoted their lives for this and have been able to clear these seemingly disagreeing concepts and find the explanation in the same book


The same thing is done in science
Two scientists disagree, a third, fourth, fifth scientist goes on research to find the meaning and what is the connection between the two that seemed to disagree etc

That is how you understand the word
It's not to be read as a story book
Because God himself is not a story
It requires greater revelation than just reading two scriptures, and think that is all there is to it

An omniscient omnipotent and omni benevolent God ought to be able to produce a masterpiece that is above even the appearance of inconsistency.

Caesar said his wife should be above even suspicion.

I would expect God to have a higher standard for his book than Caesar.

The fact that the Bible seems to have contradictions points to the fact that it is nit a perfect book representing a perfect God.

Because such a God does not exist.

 

[Kiranga]

No it can't

An omnipotent, omniscient and omni benevolent godhead creating a world that is capable of having evil and natural calamities like this while he could have created a world that free of evil is a contradiction that shows that godhead did not create this world.

Because that God does not exist.

 

[descarte]

[QUOTays am a Winner, post: 18014607, member: 110136"]People are so wonderful. They don't believe in God but yet they BELIEVE in evolution.

Can you tell me any evidence for evolution? The answer is NO. So, evolution is a belief and not a science just as the way we believe in God.

If you want to know the secrets of God its better you approach him in prayers. We can not know everything. Our brains are finite and have limits.

In Yeremia 33: 3, God says "Niite, nami nitakuitikia, nami nitakuonesha mambo makubwa (kama ya uumbaji na future), magumu (kama uumbaji na spiritual truths, usiyoyajua (In fact we don't know many).[/QUOTE]
You seem to lack a knowledge about evolution, you can't compare evolution with religion because evolution is a scientific fact which can be proved. I wonder whether you could prove most of your religious beliefs

 

[UHURU JR]

Ubishi huu ni mrefu kwa sababu tunabishania kitu ambacho hakipo.

Kwa sababu kitu kilichopo ni rahisi sana kuthibitisha kipo.

Kitu ambacho hakipo huwezi kuthibitisha kwamba kipo au hakipo kirahisi.

Ukweli kwamba kuthibitisha kwamba Mungu yupo au hayupo ni kitu kigumu unaonesha Mungu hayupo.

Angekuwepo ingekuwa rahisi sana kuthibitisha yupo bila ubishi.

Na kwa jinsi anavyopenda sifa kama mlivyomuandika kwenye vitabu vyenu, angepanga nyota ziandike angani kwamba Mungu yupo hivyo binadamu wote aminini Mungu yupo.

The fact kwamba hakufanya hivyo na anapenda sifa sana ni contradiction inayoonesha hayupo.

Kama nyota zingeandika Mungu yupo ndiyo ingekuwa dalili ya kufanya watu waamini mungu au ndiyo ingekuwa uhakika kuwa mungu yupo?

Kama ingekuwa ni dalili tu ya kuwafanya watu ndiyo waamini kuwa mungu yupo basi watu wangeendelea kubishana kama sasa,wapo ambao wangetaka kuamini na ambao wasingetaka kama ilivyo sasa ambapo pia wapo wenye kuona dalili ambazo ni sababu kwao za kuamini kuwa mungu yupo lakini wengine hawaoni hizo dalili kuwa ni sababu za kuwafanya waamini mungu.


Lakini bado sijaridhika kwa nini bado hadi Leo watu wanaendelea kubishana kitu ambacho hakipo ikiwa kweli hakipo? Kwanini ni hiki tu ndiyo ubishi wake ni mkubwa? Mbona vitu vyengine havina ubishi mkubwa wa muda mrefu kama huu?