Do you think a human mind anaweza kuelezea hiyo kwa akili yake binafsi.
Vitu vingine we have kuaccept kwamba we can't explain katika dimensions za kawaida za kifikra
Mbona vitu kibao katika science havielezeki
Theories zinakataa etc etc
'Who created God' is an Illogical Question!
'Who created God' is an Illogical Question!
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Do you think a human mind anaweza kuelezea hiyo kwa akili yake binafsi.
Vitu vingine we have kuaccept kwamba we can't explain katika dimensions za kawaida za kifikra
Mbona vitu kibao katika science havielezeki
Theories zinakataa etc etc
kweli kabisa kiongozi. Ngoja tuone kama wataweza kutusaidia leo kutuombea kumuona ili nasi tuamin kama Mosses.
Kiranga
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If Gods book has any contradiction however minimal, what does that say about that God?
Why and how did God allow any contradiction to get into his book?
Was this God taking a break and sleeping while the contradictions creeped into the texts?
Or is it that this God does not exist at all, and the error are because the books were written by people and this God is a human fabrication?
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Kiranga
I found answer for the first contradiction
There's a principle in the bible that any contradiction that is within the scripture is cleared out using the bible itself
Scripture is used to provide explain scriptures. That is why we rely on more than one sentence because we read the bible as a whole to get a clear picture and these tiny bits come together and bring forth a collective message
I am way too tired to type long passages now
What i will do
I will look up these explanations and if i believe/think the same i will post them Alright?
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Mungu yupi? Au miungu ipi?
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Hahahahaaaaaaa mkuu soon watakuja kukuambia una mapepo
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Kama nina mapepo huo ni ushahidi zaidi kwamba Mungu hayupo.
Mungu mwenye uwezo wote, ujuzi wote na upendo wote hatakiwi kuumba ulimwengu ambao unaruhusu mapepo kuwaingia viumbe wake wengine.
That is a contradiction.
Kiranga
It is like this, two verses may seemingly disagree but if you add a third, fourth verse you actually find out that they are talking about the same thing or one is adding more information upon another,
one explains another better such that what you understand it for what it means and not what it seems
These details down here explain the first "contradiction"
Again the anger of the Lord was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, “Go, number Israel and Judah.” (2 Samuel 24:1)Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel. (1 Chronicles 21:1)
We are sure that God is not the author of sin and He tempts no man to sin (James 1:13). A census in and of itself was not a sin, but Exodus 30:12–16 gives very specific requirements for how a census was to be conducted, and this census by David did not follow the God-given instructions. Then we are told in 1 Chronicles 21:1 that Satan provoked David to number Israel. How do we reconcile this? Did God incite (move or stir up) David to take a census of Israel, or did Satan?
God’s Anger at Israel’s Sin
It is not surprising that the anger of the Lord was directed against Israel at this time: there certainly was cause enough for it. They were ungrateful for the blessings of David’s government, and strangely drawn in to take part in rebellion against David with Absalom first (2 Samuel 15:1–12) and afterwards with Sheba the son of Bichri (2 Samuel 20:1–2). The armies of Israel and Judah had constant strife between their commanders, and Joab proved to be a cold-blooded murderer on several occasions (2 Samuel 3:27, 18:14, 20:10). We have reason to think that their peace from outside enemies and the prosperity of the land under David’s rule had made them secure and sensual, and that God was therefore displeased with them.
Satan Actively Tempts, God Permits Temptation
Satan, as an enemy, suggested this census as an occasion to incite a sin, just as he also put it into the heart of Judas to betray Christ. Satan is frequently described in Scripture as doing what God merely permits to be done; and so, in this case, He permitted Satan to tempt David. Satan was the active mover, while God only withdrew His supporting grace, and the great adversary prevailed against the king. (For other examples of God permitting temptation and it being ascribed to Him, see 2 Samuel 16:7–13; 1 Kings 22:20–23; Psalm 105:24–25.) God as righteous Judge in this instance permitted it with the design that from this sin of David He would take occasion to punish Israel for other sins, for which He might justly have otherwise punished them.
It should be noted that when God has a plan in mind, He will sometimes allow Satan and his demons to do things they want to do (e.g., lie and cause disaster and death), while actually they are working the will of God (who wanted to punish Israel for their idolatry and wickedness). A couple of biblical examples include 2 Chronicles 18:18–22, where God allows a demon to use the false prophets to convince Ahab to go to battle and ultimately to his death, and Job 1–2, where Satan persecutes Job.
God Had Been Judging Israel’s Sin, and They Had Not Repented
Remember that God brought a famine upon the nation for the sin of Saul’s house (2 Samuel 21:1), which according to Ussher and Nolen Jones had just ended a year earlier.1 Now after this census God leveled a three-day pestilence for the sin of David. Perhaps the three-year famine came so that the leaders of the people would learn to recognize the judgment of God, to suspect that their sins were the cause, and therefore to repent and turn to God. This would have a great influence upon national repentance and reformation. This would in turn cause the people to learn to pray for those in authority, that God would keep them from sin, because, if the leaders engage in open sin, the whole nation languishes (Proverbs 29:2). Indeed, we are commanded to pray for those in authority (1 Timothy 2:1–3), as this is pleasing to God. But we see no such repentance from the leaders or the people who engage in open rebellion, seemingly at the slightest provocation.
Satan’s Plan, but God’s Intervention
The author of 1 Chronicles ascribes this census-taking plan to Satan, who wanted to oppose Israel and cause them as much harm as possible, perhaps even hoping to destroy the Lord’s anointed (David and/or Solomon) which would have terminated the earthly line through which Christ came. God however wanted to punish Israel for their sins (most notably rebellion), and so He allowed Satan to tempt David so He could stamp out those traitors who despised the Lord and His anointed king.
The difficulty in reconciling the statement in 1 Chronicles 21:1, “Satan . . . moved David,” with that of 2 Samuel 24:1, “the Lord moved David,” is not problematic. All temptation is permitted by God, but not caused by God. When evil spirits tempt us, they do so by permission (Job 1:12,2:6; Luke 22:31). Satan therefore provoked David to number the people, and God allowed him to do so. God allows those things which serve to advance His holy and perfect will.
God Is in Control
The author of 2 Samuel (probably the prophets Nathan or Gad) chose to view this whole affair in the ultimate sense of God being in control of all things, while the author of 1 Chronicles (probably Ezra) wanted to showcase the satanic plot and how God used this as a tool for judgment. It is the same account with a different point of emphasis. This also makes sense, for Nathan and Gad were prophets who proclaimed that God is in control of all the affairs of men, and knows and predicts events before they come to pass. Ezra was a priest who was interested in pointing out the holiness of God, and as one who hates sin—treason and idolatry being two of the most heinous, and the two which Israel were most prone to. The “takeaway” point here is that God judges and punishes sin, and purges out the leaven of sin from His people (cf. 1 Corinthians 5:6–8). Satan meant it for evil for David and for Israel, but God ultimately meant it for good in the long run of the nation, and so allowed Satan to provoke David.
It is like this, two verses may seemingly disagree but if you add a third, fourth verse you actually find out that they are talking about the same thing or one is adding more information upon another,
one explains another better such that what you understand it for what it means and not what it seems
These details down here explain the first "contradiction"
Again the anger of the Lord was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, “Go, number Israel and Judah.” (2 Samuel 24:1)Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel. (1 Chronicles 21:1)
We are sure that God is not the author of sin and He tempts no man to sin (James 1:13). A census in and of itself was not a sin, but Exodus 30:12–16 gives very specific requirements for how a census was to be conducted, and this census by David did not follow the God-given instructions. Then we are told in 1 Chronicles 21:1 that Satan provoked David to number Israel. How do we reconcile this? Did God incite (move or stir up) David to take a census of Israel, or did Satan?
God’s Anger at Israel’s Sin
It is not surprising that the anger of the Lord was directed against Israel at this time: there certainly was cause enough for it. They were ungrateful for the blessings of David’s government, and strangely drawn in to take part in rebellion against David with Absalom first (2 Samuel 15:1–12) and afterwards with Sheba the son of Bichri (2 Samuel 20:1–2). The armies of Israel and Judah had constant strife between their commanders, and Joab proved to be a cold-blooded murderer on several occasions (2 Samuel 3:27, 18:14, 20:10). We have reason to think that their peace from outside enemies and the prosperity of the land under David’s rule had made them secure and sensual, and that God was therefore displeased with them.
Satan Actively Tempts, God Permits Temptation
Satan, as an enemy, suggested this census as an occasion to incite a sin, just as he also put it into the heart of Judas to betray Christ. Satan is frequently described in Scripture as doing what God merely permits to be done; and so, in this case, He permitted Satan to tempt David. Satan was the active mover, while God only withdrew His supporting grace, and the great adversary prevailed against the king. (For other examples of God permitting temptation and it being ascribed to Him, see 2 Samuel 16:7–13; 1 Kings 22:20–23; Psalm 105:24–25.) God as righteous Judge in this instance permitted it with the design that from this sin of David He would take occasion to punish Israel for other sins, for which He might justly have otherwise punished them.
It should be noted that when God has a plan in mind, He will sometimes allow Satan and his demons to do things they want to do (e.g., lie and cause disaster and death), while actually they are working the will of God (who wanted to punish Israel for their idolatry and wickedness). A couple of biblical examples include 2 Chronicles 18:18–22, where God allows a demon to use the false prophets to convince Ahab to go to battle and ultimately to his death, and Job 1–2, where Satan persecutes Job.
God Had Been Judging Israel’s Sin, and They Had Not Repented
Remember that God brought a famine upon the nation for the sin of Saul’s house (2 Samuel 21:1), which according to Ussher and Nolen Jones had just ended a year earlier.1 Now after this census God leveled a three-day pestilence for the sin of David. Perhaps the three-year famine came so that the leaders of the people would learn to recognize the judgment of God, to suspect that their sins were the cause, and therefore to repent and turn to God. This would have a great influence upon national repentance and reformation. This would in turn cause the people to learn to pray for those in authority, that God would keep them from sin, because, if the leaders engage in open sin, the whole nation languishes (Proverbs 29:2). Indeed, we are commanded to pray for those in authority (1 Timothy 2:1–3), as this is pleasing to God. But we see no such repentance from the leaders or the people who engage in open rebellion, seemingly at the slightest provocation.
Satan’s Plan, but God’s Intervention
The author of 1 Chronicles ascribes this census-taking plan to Satan, who wanted to oppose Israel and cause them as much harm as possible, perhaps even hoping to destroy the Lord’s anointed (David and/or Solomon) which would have terminated the earthly line through which Christ came. God however wanted to punish Israel for their sins (most notably rebellion), and so He allowed Satan to tempt David so He could stamp out those traitors who despised the Lord and His anointed king.
The difficulty in reconciling the statement in 1 Chronicles 21:1, “Satan . . . moved David,” with that of 2 Samuel 24:1, “the Lord moved David,” is not problematic. All temptation is permitted by God, but not caused by God. When evil spirits tempt us, they do so by permission (Job 1:12,2:6; Luke 22:31). Satan therefore provoked David to number the people, and God allowed him to do so. God allows those things which serve to advance His holy and perfect will.
God Is in Control
The author of 2 Samuel (probably the prophets Nathan or Gad) chose to view this whole affair in the ultimate sense of God being in control of all things, while the author of 1 Chronicles (probably Ezra) wanted to showcase the satanic plot and how God used this as a tool for judgment. It is the same account with a different point of emphasis. This also makes sense, for Nathan and Gad were prophets who proclaimed that God is in control of all the affairs of men, and knows and predicts events before they come to pass. Ezra was a priest who was interested in pointing out the holiness of God, and as one who hates sin—treason and idolatry being two of the most heinous, and the two which Israel were most prone to. The “takeaway” point here is that God judges and punishes sin, and purges out the leaven of sin from His people (cf. 1 Corinthians 5:6–8). Satan meant it for evil for David and for Israel, but God ultimately meant it for good in the long run of the nation, and so allowed Satan to provoke David.
Basically hizo ni sheria zako on how Mungu alitakiwa aumbe ulimwengu
Mimi naona mapepo yana faida yake
Just as how adversities are important for something to grow
Jamaaa umepigilia msumari zaidi. Ukisoma African Tradition Religions (ATR) hususani za kule West Africans kama za Yoruba wanasema eti "Mungu aliamua kwenda mafichoni baada ya kuona binadam wengi wanamsumbua sana kila saaa, kila mara basi makundi ya watu wanajazana wakitaka msaada au judgement ya Mungu." Sasa Mungu akasema "Hawa watu hawafanyi chochote wao kama wao ndo maana wanashinda siku nzima wamepanga folen wakinililia shida mimi kuwatatulia. " Basi akakimbilia mbali
SASA SIJUI KAMA NA ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS ZINASADIKI HIVI PIA AU VIPI.
All in all, hawezi kuwa serious kushabikia Mungu kujificha
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If the Bible was Gods word it wouldn't contain even numerical inconsistencies.
It does.
Therefore it is not Gods word.
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God is an infinite and eternal
being, without form or place, without issue or
similitude, present to our most secret
thoughts, existing by the necessity of his own
nature, and deriving from himself all moral
and intellectual perfection.
being, without form or place, without issue or
similitude, present to our most secret
thoughts, existing by the necessity of his own
nature, and deriving from himself all moral
and intellectual perfection.
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Huyo Mungu aliyekwenda kujificha kwa sababu watu wanamsumbua sana kwani yeye hakujua kwamba ulimwengu akiuumba hivi watu watamsumbua vile?
Ukisoma African Tradition Religions (ATR) hususani za kule West Africans kama za Yoruba wanasema eti "Mungu aliamua kwenda mafichoni baada ya kuona binadam wengi wanamsumbua sana kila saaa, kila mara basi makundi ya watu wanajazana wakitaka msaada au judgement ya Mungu." Sasa Mungu akasema "Hawa watu hawafanyi chochote wao kama wao ndo maana wanashinda siku nzima wamepanga folen wakinililia shida mimi kuwatatulia. " Basi akakimbilia mbali ...
SASA SIJUI KAMA NA ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS ZINASADIKI HIVI PIA AU VIPI.
All in all, hawezi kuwa serious kushabikia Mungu kujificha
And i have come to realize something.
You seem like you don't want to receive anything that is against what you have preconceived and won't be moved and won't accept anything remotely
If that is the case, tell me and i could save my energy and use it elsewhere where it will be productive and will yield great fruit
Who told you Mungu amejificha?
Just because you cant see Him doesn't mean he's not there
We don't see your memory and intelligence
But we know it's there right (if it's actually there that is)
What if ana mapepo?
Yeye si haamini hayapo
Actually amesema hayapo
Why should he be bothered?
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Saying God is without issue or similitude after saying God is an infinite and eternal being is contradictory.
Unasema Mungu hana mwisho halafu unasema Mungu hana mfano.
Ukishasema Mungu hana mwisho ushamfananisha Mungu na kutokuwa na mwisho, hivyo huwezi kusema hana mfano wakati ushamfananisha tayari.
Contradiction.
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Likewise to natural disastrous,What was he doing at the exact moments when earthquakes and hurricanes hit Haiti?
Was he aware of the situations but decided not to rescue Haitians from miseries?...then he has no love to all people.
Was he eager to rescue Haitians but he was unable to do so?....then he is unable to do everything.
He was willing and able to do so but he did nothing because those disastrous are processes incorporated in his creation.....then he is not a masterdesigner.
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