Nyerere: The Man, The Myth and the Legend

[MrFroasty]

Last but not least, what Nyerere did to that country is not fair.As a Zanzibari I get really pissed with everything that came out of that revolution i.e Union.

For smart people this is logic, but for the rest its up to them.But I do know one thing, the truth will always live even if it hurts so much...but it has to be told.

With that being said, I am expecting SMT one day to take full responsibility for the mess created by Nyerere.We are still waiting for that.... 😎

 

[Waberoya]

Last but not least, what Nyerere did to that country is not fair.As a Zanzibari I get really pissed with everything that came out of that revolution i.e Union.

For smart people this is logic, but for the rest its up to them.But I do know one thing, the truth will always live even if it hurts so much...but it has to be told.

With that being said, I am expecting SMT one day to take full responsibility for the mess created by Nyerere.We are still waiting for that.... 😎

You have not yet proved that Nyerere was wrong. Lets assume yes he planned! you are confirming that Nyerere was and he is smarter than any Zanzibarian!! are you not insulting them?

dont be inferior to Nyerere, he was just a normal man, he had opportunity to dance a music and he played very well! we are still playing his style and blame him how he twisted his waist!

If after 40yrs still people are blaming and find fault about him, then he is still reigning!!

I am rather blaming JKN for his influence; he had strong influence in such a way people are not forgetting him!

 

[Ndahani]

You have not yet proved that Nyerere was wrong. Lets assume yes he planned! you are confirming that Nyerere was and he is smarter than any Zanzibarian!! are you not insulting them?

dont be inferior to Nyerere, he was just a normal man, he had opportunity to dance a music and he played very well! we are still playing his style and blame him how he twisted his waist!

If after 40yrs still people are blaming and find fault about him, then he is still reigning!!

I am rather blaming JKN for his influence; he had strong influence in such a way people are not forgetting him!

Umeongea yote yanayotakiwa kuongea. Haiwezekani after 25 years out of power, Nyerere bado anasukumiziwa kila watu wanaloona linafaa. He was a man and seriously hatuja match his steps.

 

[Ngalikihinja]

Quote from the CIA report which you can find on my library on this link http://www.scribd.com/full/27004121?access_key=key-gxlq5460prmh25f5nst.

Mtakatifu Mwalimu ndio aliekuwa Master mind wa kupindua Zanzibar?Huyu si alidai havipendi na kama angelikuwa na uwezo angevisukuma visiwa hivyo kwenye bahari ya Hindi?

BADALA YA KUPOTEZA MUDA KUPOSTI HAYO MAMBO YAKO YASIYO NA DATA........... UNGESHUGHURIKIA SUALA LA KURUDISHA UMEME ZANZIBAR........... AT LEAST MWAKANI............... MAANA MPAKA SASA MMEANZA KUIBA INFRASTRUCTURE ZA UMEME............. litakapoisha la marine cable, tutaingia poles na aluminium wires zilizoibwa....... na WAZANZIBARI ....... na hivyo kuchelewesha umeme kurudi Zanzibar

 

[MrFroasty]

You have not yet proved that Nyerere was wrong. Lets assume yes he planned! you are confirming that Nyerere was and he is smarter than any Zanzibarian!! are you not insulting them?

Smart??Where did that came from...if US invaded Iraq, does it mean Iraqis are'nt smart???..No idea what you are talking bout here, its about power not intelligence.

dont be inferior to Nyerere, he was just a normal man, he had opportunity to dance a music and he played very well! we are still playing his style and blame him how he twisted his waist!

I am not blaming, I am telling the truth which for so long your government have tried to teach me in school.You totally miss my point...think again.In school kids were taught "siasa", and all kinds of craps about this revolution have been given to us when were kids...

Now I am grown up, I am capable of digesting what is crap and what is the truth.

I dont really care if what he did was wrong or good, I said not fair!

I am rather blaming JKN for his influence; he had strong influence in such a way people are not forgetting him!

How can I forget it him while I have lost my country because of him?...You have all the reasons to praise him, as your country has been extended and now you are proud that Zanzibar is part of Tanzania...but this is not the case to me, and dont get me wrong...I have reasons not to!🙄

 

[MrFroasty]

The Dar es Salaam authorities smuggled Catholic Crusaders and weapons reportedly on schooners owned by a famous Jewish merchant known as Misha Frezeinberg, who was trading in lobsters in Zanzibar.

Thus it became easy to break into the Police Stations, not with stones, spears and daggers as it had been alleged but with modern weapons and barracks from Dar es Salaam.

Haya ndio ninayotaka yasomeshwe maskuli, sio ati wakwezi na wakulima walipindua serekali kwa mishare....what a waste 😎

 

[Makalangilo]

kalikuwa kagonjwa ka akili jamani saa nyingine mnalaumu bule.Kumbe kalivamia Zanzibar na kui annex na Tanganyika?Ndiyo maana kalikuwa kakali sana.hasa kuhusu muungano.Kalimfukuza Jumbe,kakawafukuza kina Sefu kwenye CCM.Kangefukishwa the Haque tu kwa mauaji ya Wazanzibari 20,000 pamoja na mauaji ya kina Mazegenuka.

 

[MrFroasty]

MOD haya tuu tena, naona hii ndio style ya kukimbia mijadala.Hiyo post ya GT sijuwi kama inakwendana na mjadala wa uhusiano wa JKN na Mapinduzi!

 

[gudlack]

Quote from the CIA report which you can find on my library on this link http://www.scribd.com/full/27004121?access_key=key-gxlq5460prmh25f5nst.

Mtakatifu Mwalimu ndio aliekuwa Master mind wa kupindua Zanzibar?Huyu si alidai havipendi na kama angelikuwa na uwezo angevisukuma visiwa hivyo kwenye bahari ya Hindi?

naona umeshaligeuza hili jukwaa sehemu ya kusambaza chuki zako, it seams like you are a big looser,kama hao babu zako walitimuliwa si uwafuate huko Oman, waache wazanzibari wandelee kudumisha mapinduzi yao,

 

[Waberoya]

Smart??Where did that came from...if US invaded Iraq, does it mean Iraqis are'nt smart???..No idea what you are talking bout here, its about power not intelligence.


I am not blaming, I am telling the truth which for so long your government have tried to teach me in school.You totally miss my point...think again.In school kids were taught "siasa", and all kinds of craps about this revolution have been given to us when were kids...

Now I am grown up, I am capable of digesting what is crap and what is the truth.

I dont really care if what he did was wrong or good, I said not fair!




How can I forget it him while I have lost my country because of him?...You have all the reasons to praise him, as your country has been extended and now you are proud that Zanzibar is part of Tanzania...but this is not the case to me, and dont get me wrong...I have reasons not to!🙄

So what are you gonna do now?

Are you going to cry aloud that Nyerere is the source? can you sue him for that? 20yrs after Nyerere why is that Zanzibar is a part of Tanzania?

You have stood as a boy in this matter ,I want you to stand as a man to accomplish the rest

 

[MrFroasty]

naona umeshaligeuza hili jukwaa sehemu ya kusambaza chuki zako, it seams like you are a big looser,kama hao babu zako walitimuliwa si uwafuate huko Oman, waache wazanzibari wandelee kudumisha mapinduzi yao,

Aliekwambia mimi nina chuki au babu zangu ni waomani nani?...Hizi ndio theory zenu, mukiambiwa ukweli, basi mtu anabadilika ghafla na kuwa muarabu!

 

[MrFroasty]

So what are you gonna do now?

Are you going to cry aloud that Nyerere is the source? can you sue him for that? 20yrs after Nyerere why is that Zanzibar is a part of Tanzania?

You have stood as a boy in this matter ,I want you to stand as a man to accomplish the rest

Trust me, dont think there is nothing we can do to get Zanzibar back on its feets....its a matter of time.

If Nyerere tried all his entire life to teach all his propangas and he failed to do so...If I know the truth of what happened in Zanzibar..that means I am not the only one!

As you can see my research was a very simple one using Internet, that means there are lots of Zanzibaris {new generation}...will turn against the evil Union.

Just look around how you guys now live with fear and without peace that anything going on in Zanzibar, you guys start loosing sleep about the Union.

Just look around...Zanzibaris are talking about GNU, and you guys are already worried bout the Union....why are you guys worried?...Coz you have invested all your economy on Tanzania, which now is in big danger and very shaky!

Who is the looser now?....Keep in mind Zanzibar doesnt need to advertise itself, its already a popular entity...what bout you Tanganyika boy?...Even all muzungu think Kilimanjaro is in Kenya, they have never heard of Danganyika.. 😎

 

[Eric Cartman]

Trust me, dont think there is nothing we can do to get Zanzibar back on its feets....its a matter of time.

If Nyerere tried all his entire life to teach all his propangas and he failed to do so...If I know the truth of what happened in Zanzibar..that means I am not the only one!

As you can see my research was a very simple one using Internet, that means there are lots of Zanzibaris {new generation}...will turn against the evil Union.

Just look around how you guys now live with fear and without peace that anything going on in Zanzibar, you guys start loosing sleep about the Union.

Just look around...Zanzibaris are talking about GNU, and you guys are already worried bout the Union....why are you guys worried?...Coz you have invested all your economy on Tanzania, which now is in big danger and very shaky!

Who is the looser now?....Keep in mind Zanzibar doesnt need to advertise itself, its already a popular entity...what bout you Tanganyika boy?...Even all muzungu think Kilimanjaro is in Kensty ya, they have never heard of Danganyiaka.. 😎

take it or leave it tatizo lenu mnajioona waarabu that is is including maalim seif. Mi sikatai mchanganyiko lakini adabu inahitajika kwa watu kama wewe Mr Froasty na karume na huyo maalim Seif hiyo ni debate nyingine mjinge we.

Jielewe where you belong kikwete ana wachekea mno nyie watumwa mliotoka bara na si apologize kwa wajinga kama nyie

 

[Eric Cartman]

mr froasy nilijuwa uto rudi kwani ni pimbi we tu ambaye una akili za kitimwa tu **** we usielewaa what happened during zanzibar revolution . do you even know, what was it all about. kwa faida yako we **** jamaa walikua wanaona sawa mmbantu kupanda mnazi kumtukungua ilikua ni starehe tu. **** we mjinga wa mwisho. usione maiti zimetundikwa tu huko.

you dont know what was it like about kama unajiona mmanga you need go to back to Yemen idiot.

 

[samvande2002]

Guys, tuache ushabiki usiokuwa na maana hapa, wewe unayesema kuwa nyerere alichemka baadhi ya mambo ni sawa, u r right kabisa, he was not a ghost anyway..lakini kuna mambo mengi sana ambayo aliweka foundation nzuri kabisa kwa nchi endapo kama ingekuja kupata kiongozi mwingine ambaye angekuwa na vision nzuri ya kuendeleza yale mazuri, nyerere kama mtu mwingine , lazima awe na mapungufu..lakini hebu jaribu ku compare raisi wako wa sasa na vision yake na his agurment ability and then try to imagine if nyerere was like that, how this nation would had had been?
nyerere was the best ever, nenda butiama ukaone jinsi kulivyo, unahisi alikuwa hana uwezo wa kujenga ikulu ndogo pale..sasa toka butiama njoo kwa kikwete uone..kwa muda huu mchache aliokalia kiti,, see the changes..he is building a state house there..just imagine..this is how our presidents now think! na nadhani raisi huyu wa sasa hv ndio hamna kitu kabisaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
tutamkumbuka nyerere daima

 

[MrFroasty]

mr froasy nilijuwa uto rudi kwani ni pimbi we tu ambaye una akili za kitimwa tu **** we usielewaa what happened during zanzibar revolution . do you even know, what was it all about. kwa faida yako we **** jamaa walikua wanaona sawa mmbantu kupanda mnazi kumtukungua ilikua ni starehe tu. **** we mjinga wa mwisho. usione maiti zimetundikwa tu huko.

you dont know what was it like about kama unajiona mmanga you need go to back to Yemen idiot.

Shukurani za dhati...ukweli unauma lakini hata uandike matusi gani au uniite mimi mwarabu terrorists, haiwezi saidia kitu....wala usisumbuke ukadhani ukinitusi humu JF mimi huku kwenye keyboard yangu ndio nitasumbuka.

Mimi najua ninachokizungumza hapa, sikuwepo siku ya Mapinduzi lakini ninazo evidence za kutosha za kuweza kufanya reconstruction ya tukio hilo.

Sasa wewe niite unavyotaka, lakini tukio hilo halikuleta manufaa yoyote kwa Zanzibar.

Zanzibar tungekuwa mbali sana kimaendeleo kama yasingelitokea Mapinduzi>>Muungano....thats a fact!

 

[Eric Cartman]

Yakhe nani kasema mambo ya U-terrorist hapa. Tatizo ni fikra zenu za kipuuzi tena wengi ni wenye asili za ubantu kutaka kujiona nyie mna ki-ji culture fulani tofauti. Si nawaona huku kwa kujitenga.

Kwanza tatizo si nyerere, yeye alipotaka alimuachia mwinyi (wa kwenu) huyo, na kwa mujibu ilkua akitoka bara anakuja tena wa pwani i dont know how it was changed kumpata JK.

Na kama mna ona maendeleo yenu yanarudishwa piga sababu ambazo zina rudisha maendeleo sio kulalama hapa muungano auna faida kisa mntaka kujiunga IOC. Hii ndio lazima mpewe dawa barabara mpate aadabu.

Ni kweli somehow muungano unakandamiza lakini embu lete sababu za ukweli na si kumtukana JKN all he did was to create a unity based na watu hasili au unazani zenj kilikuwa ni kisiwa na watu kabla ya waarabu kuja huko.

Na revolution umeeshaambiwa tayari si arusi au unazani jamaa walikuwa tayari kuacha nchi kwa mapenzi yao kama wakolonmi wengine.

Nilipo kwambia unaakili za kitumwa sijakutusi bali ndio ukweli wenyewe. Lalama na maendeleo ya zanzibar na kwa nini aiendelei nita kuheshimu lakini si kutukana See Twaonewa, Mee basi huu muungano bila ya sababu maalum.

 

[Mzizi wa Mbuyu]

Watu wanamkosea adabu mwalimu kama ni makosa hata yeye alikiri kuwa aliyafanya, lakini haifai kamwe kumtukana, kukosea ni jambo la kwaida na makosa mengine anasingiziwa na watu wenye ile roho ya yule Mwovu apandae magugu katika shamba la ngano. Wenzetu Afrika kusini wanamuenzi mzee Madiba bila hata ya kuorodhesha mabaya yake ambayo yako mengi pia,....
Lakini pia tisisahau sifa kuu ya shetani... ambayo ni kugeuza mtu mbaya aonekane mwema na mwema aonekane mbaya.....amini usiamini watu wengi wanaosema oooh Nyere alikuwa mtu mbaya sana , wachunguze vizuri wana vitabia vya ufuasi wa shetani....tafakari.

 

[MrFroasty]

Kama kukosewa adabu basi ni hao CIA, mimi nimeleta report au kipande cha report kinachoonesha involvement yake katika suala la kuipindua Zanzibar.

Sasa kama huko ni kumkosea adabu mtakatafu wako JKN, basi nitaomba radhi maana haifai kuonesha kama alisababisha roho za viumbe zaidi ya 20,000 kupotea.

Oooh..nimesahau hizo roho za wazanzibari zilifaa kutolewa muhanga kwa ajili ya umoja wa TZ!

Au sio Juma Contena??..Kuwa mababu zetu walistahili kutolewa muhanga ili ndoto za Nyerere zipate kutimia za kuleta muungano? 😕

 

[Kubwajinga]

Sasa kama huko ni kumkosea adabu mtakatafu wako JKN, basi nitaomba radhi maana haifai kuonesha kama alisababisha roho za viumbe zaidi ya 20,000 kupotea.

Oooh..nimesahau hizo roho za wazanzibari zilifaa kutolewa muhanga kwa ajili ya umoja wa TZ! 😕

MrFrosty,
Collateral damage ya Mapinduzi ndiyo iliyosababisha roho za baadhi ya waarabu na waajemi kunyofolewa na sio wazanzibari. Waulize walichokifuata Africa wakaacha makwao Iran na Oman. I wish ingekuwa 20,000 maana leo vurugu za Muungano zisingekuwepo.