Manchester United (Red Devils) | Special Thread

[VUVUZELA]

Kama chikosei wewe ni loser fools chacha tangu EPL ianzishwe (katika hii format) ni lini mlichukua huu mtanange wa EPL? Just asking!

Na wewe lini umechukua Champions League?

 

[Mwihadisa]

Watu wamekuwa Westbromwiched pale pale OLD T.O.I.L.E.T

 

[Wacha1]

Na wewe lini umechukua Champions League?

Tunachukua mwaka huu. Any more questions?

 

[Ubumuntu]

watu wamekuwa westbromwiched pale pale old t.o.i.l.e.t

in united we trust, in moyes we trust

 

[Ubumuntu]

Great piece for United's loyal supporters.

Manchester United in Adversity - But what of the fans? - RedMancunian.com

Manchester United in Adversity – But what of the fans?
There was no doubt Old Trafford has been louder in the last two games. Of course, we were playing Liverpool last week, which always gets the spirits up, but there was something more than that: United had been badly wounded at city on the previous Sunday; a lesser group of fans might have taken the opportunity to make clear their dissatisfaction with the team and with David Moyes. Similarly so in the dire capitulation to West Brom. But this was not a lesser group of fans: this was Manchester United’s match-going support, and it does adversity very well.

This isn’t popularly acknowledged, needless to say. The conventional view of us is of a group of supporters, bloated and spoiled with success, who are in it for the glory and nothing else. That’s why the press, following the West Brom defeat, chose to emphasize the boos from sections of the United support rather than the pro-Moyes chants and the singing of ‘We’ll Never Die’ that sent a shiver up the spine towards the end of the game. The truth is, United are possibly the only club in England whose support doesn’t merely swell in size when times are good: bad times bring out the best in United, and its been that way for decades.

Take season 1973-74, a dismal one for the club: United on our way to relegation for the first time since the war. In comparable circumstances, it’s common for a club’s support to become disillusioned and decline and to stay away from the ground in increasingly larger numbers. Not United. Despite the successful years of the fifties and sixties being clearly over and showing little possibility of returning soon, United’s home support actually rose in our relegation season and we became the first club ever in English football to have the biggest average home attendance in a season in which we went down.

United’s attendance didn’t merely stay sold during our season in the second division – it increased. It wasn’t a marginal increase either, but a healthily inflating attendance figure of a kind that most clubs only experience when their team is experiencing unusually good times. For United, it goes without saying that these were unusually bad ones and yet we became the only club in over fifty years to be the best supported side in the country, despite playing outside the top division.

This isn’t the case elsewhere. Our close neighbours city have of course enjoyed a lot of yo-yoing during the period in question; in fact, they’ve been relegated from the top division on six occasions, and despite their reputation for resilient loyalty among their supporters, on all of those occasions their average attendance declined while they were in the second tier. This is despite the fact that twice they followed this up with a quick promotion and on one other occasion (1983) only just missed out. On the three occasions Leeds have been relegated from the top division since the fifties, their support has plummeted. They lost more than seven thousand, over a third of their fans, from their average attendance when going down in 1960, almost a third in 1982 and over seven thousand again in 2004.

And what of that other team so often held up by the media as a paradigm for fan loyalty – Newcastle United? Unfortunately, as is so often the case, we find that media representation and conventional wisdom don’t tie in with reality. Newcastle have suffered the drop four times since the war, and, only on one occasion – in 1961 – did their average attendance show a very small increase. In the three relegation seasons since then, they’ve consistently seen mass evacuation of St James’ Park that would only be reversed on return to the top division; over 20% deserted them in 1978, there was a small but notable decrease in 1989 and a fall of over five thousand in 2009, despite their team winning the Championship that year.

When Liverpool endured relegation in 1954, they managed to shave over 10% off their support during their first season in the second tier. And in case you’re thinking that smaller teams who pay a brief visit to the top division fare better, given their supporters’ familiarity with rougher times and thus what is again generally assumed by so many to be a greater resilience among them, think again. The evidence suggests that these clubs tend to pull a load of supporters out of the closet during their brief encounter with the big time who quickly depart when relegation occurs and mundane reality kicks in again. Consider the cases of Bradford City in 1995 (14% of their support didn’t return the next season), Burnley in 2010 (over a quarter of their support deserted them on return to the championship) and Northampton in 1966 (in the year following their single season in the top division, a third of their fans found other things to do on Saturday afternoons). Oldham Athletic also shed a third of its support when dropping down a division in 1994, while Swindon lost over 40% when returning from whence they came in 1994, and Carlisle said farewell to a similar number after their excursion to the top division in 1975. And the most fickle of the lot? Bristol City, who in 1980 were relegated from the top division and lost a mammoth 52% of their average crowd in the process.

The romantic image of the support of small clubs remaining resolutely with them through thick and thin is nonsense. United’s fans are conspicuous in the strength of their support whatever fortunes befall their team, something that only clubs with a certain defined aura and comparable attachment to style can get close to emulating. It’s often been said by United fans that the true intensity of our support comes out in times of difficulty and I believe that’s true, tying it as it does with the peculiar attachment to pariah status we so enjoy. Amid the disappointment of a defeat, I always experience a peculiar sensation of my attachment to the reds strengthening even further and it also seems to me that, when making my way along with thousands of others across Trafford Bridge and into Salford following a disappointing outcome, there’s a conscious swell of increased devotion to the club hanging in the air around us. This is one reason why, if we’re going to have a bad result, I’d rather be there at the ground rather than watching it on the telly. The communality of the experience is overwhelming and in its own very singular way uplifting.

Of course, the figures cited above rarely get referred to by a media that is only too contented with the stereotype of United’s supporters as fat cats who are only happy when there’s a full bowl of cream in front of us. They happily alight on the idiotic views of those armchair glory hunters who’ve only attached themselves to our club for shallow reasons and waste no opportunity on forums and phone-ins to tell us that Moyes is taking the club nowhere and unless we buy Fabregas, Ozil, Ronaldo and Usain Bolt in the January transfer window, they’re getting their coats.

Good riddance to them. Such individuals have no connection with the true spirit of my club and I could almost tolerate three years or so without winning anything just to see the back of them. Should this happen (and I don’t believe for a moment it will) I guarantee that you’ll hear the Old Trafford support getting behind its team as passionately as ever because they are, and always have been, the true voice of Manchester United.

(Information and statistics on supporter loyalty can be found in my book A Deeper Shade of Red, from which the above extract has been adapted. The book is available in paperback here and for Kindle here)

 

[Wacha1]

Watu wamekuwa Westbromwiched pale pale OLD T.O.I.L.E.T

Hii kali aiseee dah! Wacha chacha waende kule kwa Shakhtar Donetsk ndipo watakapokoma ubishi, huyu nzi mwenyewe atanywea tu anafikiri EPL plus CL ni togwa. khe khe khe khe kheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

BTW Nzi anataka ku-justfy matokeo mabovu ya timu yake anaanza kuleta litany na mashairi ya alfulela ulela khe khe khe khe khe kheeeeeeeeeeeeee hafahamu hakuna anayesoma ngonjera hapa only and only if its news worth. Crisis what crisis?

 

[VUVUZELA]

Tunachukua mwaka huu. Any more questions?

Ha ha ha! Kwa timu ipi?
Ukichukua CL mwaka huu basi Chadema watatwaa nchi in 2015

 

[Wacha1]

Ha ha ha! Kwa timu ipi?
Ukichukua CL mwaka huu basi Chadema watatwaa nchi in 2015

Mbona mwaka jana Chelsick walichukua kwa rupia na litimu libovu itakuwa Gunners wanaotambulika kwa soka murua .... .. wivu tu, (CL ni sadakarawe) bado utazoea kama ulivyozoea kutokuchukua EPL how many years now? Hebu tukumbushe. khe khe keh keh khe khe kheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[VUVUZELA]

Mbona mwaka jana Chelsick walichukua kwa rupia na litimu libovu itakuwa Gunners wanaotambulika kwa soka murua .... .. wivu tu, (CL ni sadakarawe) bado utazoea kama ulivyozoea kutokuchukua EPL how many years now? Hebu tukumbushe. khe khe keh keh khe khe kheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Mkichukua CL mwaka huu kwa timu hii basi nitambaka mama yangu mzazi na nitamzawadia Gang Chomba $$$$

 

[Wacha1]

Mkichukua CL mwaka huu kwa timu hii basi nitambaka mama yangu mzazi na nitamzawadia Gang Chomba $$$$

Hilo linaonyesha ni kijana/binadamu wa aina gani ambaye anaweza kusema these type of words, absolutely disgusting phew!. Pole sana, nakuombea kwa mwenyezi mungu akusaidie katika maisha yako. Again I do not need to say anything to you as you have shown your character and what type of a person you are.

 

[VUVUZELA]

Hilo linaonyesha ni kijana/binadamu wa aina gani ambaye anaweza kusema these type of words, absolutely disgusting phew!. Pole sana, nakuombea kwa mwenyezi mungu akusaidie katika maisha yako. Again I do not need to say anything to you as you have shown your character and what type of a person you are.

I stand by my statement. It's impossible for Ass-Anal to win the UEFA Champions League title this year with this squad.
Mark my words

 

[Ubumuntu]

Tunachukua mwaka huu. Any more questions?

Nimeshawaambia nyie goons; mkishinda UCL mwaka huu, nahama Man United na kuwa shabiki wa Arsenal!!

 

[Ubumuntu]

Hii kali aiseee dah! Wacha chacha waende kule kwa Shakhtar Donetsk ndipo watakapokoma ubishi, huyu nzi mwenyewe atanywea tu anafikiri EPL plus CL ni togwa. khe khe khe khe kheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Sawa....uwe unakuja pia kuweka picha kwenye games zetu zote. Nitaongea na mfarisayo na Belo ili tukupe ajira ya kutuwekea mafotoz humu. Naona siki za hivi karibuni umeonekana kufanya vizuri katika kuweka fotoz humu.

BTW Nzi anataka ku-justfy matokeo mabovu ya timu yake anaanza kuleta litany na mashairi ya alfulela ulela khe khe khe khe khe kheeeeeeeeeeeeee hafahamu hakuna anayesoma ngonjera hapa only and only if its news worth. Crisis what crisis?

Arifu hujalazimishwa kusoma hizo ngonjera....ni maalumu kwa United's loyal fan!

Are a United loyal fan? If not, why the heck did you read the piece?

 

[Viper]

Sawa....uwe unakuja pia kuweka picha kwenye games zetu zote. Nitaongea na mfarisayo na Belo ili tukupe ajira ya kutuwekea mafotoz humu. Naona siki za hivi karibuni umeonekana kufanya vizuri katika kuweka fotoz humu.



Arifu hujalazimishwa kusoma hizo ngonjera....ni maalumu kwa United's loyal fan!

Are a United loyal fan? If not, why the heck did you read the piece?

Kumbe Zile Picha zinawauma sana ... Hahahahaha ...

 

[mfarisayo]

Hii kali aiseee dah! Wacha chacha waende kule kwa Shakhtar Donetsk ndipo watakapokoma ubishi, huyu nzi mwenyewe atanywea tu anafikiri EPL plus CL ni togwa. khe khe khe khe kheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

BTW Nzi anataka ku-justfy matokeo mabovu ya timu yake anaanza kuleta litany na mashairi ya alfulela ulela khe khe khe khe khe kheeeeeeeeeeeeee hafahamu hakuna anayesoma ngonjera hapa only and only if its news worth. Crisis what crisis?

Okey naona nyi mna uhakika wa kuwafunga napoli basi atusemi

 

[Ngongo]

Binafsi nadhani David Moyes anastahili lawama kwasababu zifuatazo.

Alipokabidhiwa mikoba na Sir Alex kwanza alitakiwa asikubali kuwaacha makocha wenye uzoefu wa muda mrefu kama Rene Meulensteen,Mike Phelan na Erick Steele.Hii ilikuwa roho ya Sir Alex kwa ujinga wake David Moyes akakimbilia kuanza na bench la waalimu wasiokuwa na ujuzi na uzoefu Phil Neville na Ryan Giggs !.Hili kwangu lilikuwa ni kosa kubwa kuliko makosa ninayoyaona wakifanya baadhi ya wachezaji.

Pili Moyes mara kadhaa timu inapozidiwa dhahiri anashindwa kufanya mabadiliko ya haraka.Mfano mechi na Man City Ashley Young na Valencia walitakiwa kubadilishwa haraka lakini waliachwa waendelee kuzamisha jahazi.

Tatu Moyes ameshindwa kuhandle press conference hasa timu inapofanya vibaya,amekuwa akitoa matamshi ya kuwaponda wachezaji kwamba wanacheza chini ya kiwango lakini anasahau kikosi alichorithi kilichukuwa ubingwa wa EPL !.

Nne Moyes alishindwa kufanya usajili wa maana wakati muda wa kufanya usajili alikuwa nao.isitoshe alikuwa ana nafasi ya kumsajili Fellaini kwa fedha pungufu 4 milioni lakini alisubiri hadi dakika za mwisho akamsajili kwa bei kubwa wakati alitakiwa kuwahi kumsajili mapema kama alikuwa katika mipango yake.

Tano Moyes alitumia mbinu za kijinga wakati wa usajili badala ya kupanga mipango kama alivyofanya mtangulizi wake aliamua kwa makusudi kutumia vyombo vya habari na matokeo yake akakosa target zote muhimu.

Mwisho kwa maoni yangu Moyes kashindwa kuwatumia baadhi ya wachezaji ambao naamini wangesaidia sana timu.Mfano mpaka sasa nashindwa kuelewa ni kwanini Zaha hapewi nafasi,ni kwanini Kagawa hapewi nafasi ya kutosha,ni kwanini mpaka sasa mchezaji kama Januzaj hajapewa mkataba au ndiyo yale yale ya Pogba.

 

[Ulimakafu]

Poleni sana wazee wa OT (Old Toilet)........haha haaaaaaaaaaaaa.....

 

[mfarisayo]

Hakuna ubishi kwamba David Moyes alitambua kiatu anachopewa kukivaa badala ya SAF ni kikubwa mno. Siyo Moyes tu, kocha yeyote ambaye angepewa kurithi mikoba ya SAF pale OT, lazima apate tabu mwanzo. SAF alijenga himaya ya mashabiki waliozea mambo matamu mara kwa mara...katika kipindi alichokaa pale na mafanikio aliyoyapata pale ni ndoto kwa kocha kuja na kutaka kuyapata mafanikio kama yale kwa kipindi kifupi. Ndiyo maana wakati wa hotuba yake ya mwisho pale OT, SAF alisema kitu kimoja cha muhimu sana kwa mashabiki, nacho ni kumuunga mkono na miguu kocha mpya, David Moyes. Mashabiki wa ukweli wa United ndiyo tunachokifanya sasa kwa Moyes. Manchester United ni klabu kubwa mno, haya yanayotokea sasa yatatulia tu! Kwa muda aliokaa pale OT, ni sawa kabisa kuna na 'kitu cha ziada'. Miaka 26 katika timu moja siyo mchezo mazee....hilo halina mjadala...kitu hicho ndicho kinampa shida sasa Moyes, kuestablish authority pale OT na kwa wachezaji pia, ili hadi janitor pale OT ajue who is the boss!! Kwa bahati mbaya, toka zama za premier league zianze, hilo halijawahi kuwa lengo la Man United. Na sioni sababu ya msimu huu kuwa na lengo kama hilo. Vijitimu vidogo ndio uwa na maleno kama hayo, eti kumaliza top 4!!! Manchester United siku zote ni title contender, na itabaki kuwa hivyo daima. Msilete sababu za kufananisha zama za Liverpool; kipindi kile mazingira yalikuwa tofauti mno na sasa. Sasa mpira unatawaliwa na: (1) uwezo wa kujenga timu kuanzia kwenye academy (United wamekuwa wakifanya hivyo toka mwaka 1936, ambapo kila mwaka lazima zao/mazao ya academy yaingie kwenye first team); (2) uwezo wa kipesa wa kununua world class players (United being one the richest clubs in the world, has money to buy top players, ni jambo la Edward Woodward kujifunza tu namna ya kucheza siasa za transfer targets and activities; (3) uwezo wa idara ya marketing za clubs katika kumarket timu kwa wadhamini na sales za merchandises za timu (United wapo vizuri katika hili, ndiyo sababu ya Woodward kuwa promoted, alikuwa executive officer katika idara ya marketing na ali-attract wafadhili wengi waliokuja na deals za kufa mtu kwa timu; pia katika sales, United is one of the leading teams in the world with more sales in their merchandises). Hivyo kwa hali ilivyo United, sioni sababu za kuhofia yaliyoikuta Liverpool!! United is bouncing back soon! Watch out this space!

Watu wanadhani kazi ya kuziba pengo la Mkongwe ni kazi rahisi tu, Mfano mzuri ni De Gea watu walikuwa wanamponda sana kuwa hafai na hana kiwango cha kuwa Utd lakini leo watu wote kimya. The same kuziba pengo la Ferg si kazi rahisi lazima kocha apate muda wa kuijua timu ndani na nje na aweze kujenga timu katika mfumo anaoutaka

 

[Makoye Matale]

Poleni sana wazee wa OT (Old Toilet)........haha haaaaaaaaaaaaa.....

Eti hawashikiki! Sasa wanakamatwa kiulaini kama kuku wa kisasa.

 

[Ubumuntu]

Eti hawashikiki! Sasa wanakamatwa kiulaini kama kuku wa kisasa.

Tatizo lenu uwa mnaonekana kwa msimu tu. Sasa ndiyo mnajazana humu; badae mtaanza kujifanya mpo bize!

Muwe mnakuwepo siku zote; kwa nini mkimbie?!?