‘Kikwete’s remarks on FDLR shocking’

[Rubi]

Hivi nimesikia Rais Wa Rwanda kapigwa mayai visa Uingereza ni kweli mwenye data atudadavulie

 

[Luggy]

Mr.Preseident,wherever you are,plz never apologize to these low class animals..they either take it or go to hell

 

[Luggy]

We better go for war than apologizing,My president will apologize to to them b`se what he said was right,and we as Tanzanians we are so ready to support em no matter the costs,why they are so so angry with the statement,is there any unrevealed truth?...ok we are in Congo now let them come and confront us as we are chopping off their channels that brings to them something they have never naturally entitled......either take it or go to hell...rubbish!

Jakaya Kikwete must apologize; Rwandans say-|-Rwanda News
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Genocide survivors have petitioned the UN Secretary General and U.S President over remarks made by Jakaya Kikwete, the President of the United Republic of Tanzania at the 21st African Union Summit on May 26th, 2013 in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. In his remarks, Kikwete is quoted to have called upon the Rwandan government to “negotiate” with the Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda (FDLR), an issue that has raised anger among the genocide survivors in and outside of Rwanda.

The FDLR rebel group is predominantly composed of members of the Interahamwe militia and the Armed Forces of Rwanda, who carried out the 1994 genocide against the Tutsi in Rwanda and have continued to conduct killings of innocent civilians in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

During an enclosed meeting called by the UN Secretary General in Addis Ababa, Kikwete is also reported to have argued that since Kinshasa was in talks with the M23 rebels, then it was about time Kigali opened negotiations with the FDLR rebels. Kikwete also pushed argument to Uganda, stating that Uganda should do likewise with its Congo-based rebel force, Allied Democratic Forces (ADF).

In a statement, released by Alice Umutoni, Vice Coordinator of the US-based organizing committee of the 19th Commemoration of the Genocide against Tutsi in Rwanda, the genocide survivors asked Kikwete to openly apologize to all survivors of the genocide in Rwanda and Rwandans in general, Congolese, Americans and many more people who have suffered from the FDLR terrorism.
The Rwandan genocide survivors also argued that Kikwete was fully aware of the atrocities committed by the FDLR in Rwanda and DR Congo, and other rebels groups in Uganda, though he went ahead to make such ridiculous remarks.

The petitioners stated that they were confident that the United States of America would not support this kind of political dealings that act as a setback to Rwanda’s efforts to ensure peace in the DRC and the region as a whole.

United States of America’s leadership has made a commitment to fight the international terrorism, and marked FDLR as a terrorist group, UN also placed a five-million-dollar bounty on handing over some Rwandan genocide perpetrators, including Sylvestre Mudacumura, the FDLR supreme commander who is wanted by the International Criminal Court (ICC) on charges of crimes against humanity and war crimes, including murder, rape, torture and attacking innocent civilians.

 

[Highlander]

apige magoti na kuomba msamaha mara moja ..kwanza wampe ultimatum akikataa washambulie tanzania

Wajaribu waone!

Labda hawa WanyaRwanda wanadhani wanayo hati miliki ya hasira hawa. Kuchezea Rais wa nchi yoyote ile ni kuchezea nchi hiyo yote. Kwanini wamekazana sana kututafuta? Wanatutafuta hawa.... eti? Nina mashaka tatizo wala si hii kauli ya Kikwete. Tatizo nadhani litakuwa ni Ule mwiba tumepeleka DRC.

 

[Izz]

The President should walk the talk. He needs to correlate what he says and what he does.

Kama anaamini kuwa dialogue ndiyo mpango mzima, kwa nini then alikubali kupeleka majeshi Congo?

Sioni logic ya kuishauri Rwanda wajadiliane na FDLR rebels wakati tumepeleka majeshi Congo kupigana na M23.

Tuna wanajeshi Congo. Kuna tuhuma kuwa Rwanda wanawasaidia M23.

Halafu hapo hapo tunawataka Rwanda wajadiliane na FDLR.

Hii siyo kuweka wanajeshi wetu kwenye risk?

EMT
Hapo nyuma tumewahi kufanya mazungumzo kupitia kwa Balozi Mulamula (Mrs) kujaribu kutanzua mzozo unaondelea lakini hatukufikia muafaka mpaka Mama Mulamula alipomaliza muda wake!

Kupeleka majeshi huko mashariki mwa DRC (Ngoma) ni ombi la UN kwa serikali ya JMT katika kuongeza nguvu ya kuwanyang'anya silaha waasi wa M23 wanaonendeleza vitendo viovu vya dhidi ya Bin-adamu.

Ikumbukwe kua sio Tanzania pekee ndio imepeleka jeshi huko mashariki mwa DRC.

Kwahivo sio kosa kwa Rais Kikwete kuangalia upande mwingine wa shilingi katika kutafuta suluhu ya AMANI katika ukanda huu wa nchi za maziwa makuu!.

Ni mawazo yake na yenye kama Mkuu wa nchi ameyatoa kwakuona inaweza kusaidia kupunguza kadhia inayoendelea nchini Congo.

 

[andate]

We kweli ndo huelewi, yaani genocide walianzisha wa-tutsi?? iweje then waje wafight for their existance. Do you know kwamba watutsi ni wachache sana na Hutus ndo wengi? sasa wataanzishaje genocide.

Kukusaidia ni kwamba baada ya jeshi la kagame kuchukua nchi jeshi la serikali iliyokuwepo ilikimbilia drc, kwa sasa hawathubutu kurudi maana watawekwa kwenye sheria ndo maana wameamua kukaa msituni na kui-disturb drc. Sasa Kikwete anavyomwambia Kagame akae na hao magaidi ama wahalifu wa mauaji ya kimbari ni kama ku-negotiate na jambazi kitu ambacho rwanda inalalamikia. Rwanda inataka hao jamaa washikishwe adabu na si vinginevyo. Ndo maana hata hela zilizoibwa EPA hatuja ona watu wakishikishwa adabu kisawasawa, watu wanaomba warudishe....what the hell?

Ni kweli wahutu walikuwa wengi zaidi ya watusi. Lakini kwenye majeshi watusi walikuwa wengi sana zaidi ya wahutu, hata maofisa wa serikali yao wengi zaidi walikuwa ni watusi. Wahutu walikuwa ni kama 2nd class citizens. Na ukumbuke Habyarimana alikuwa ni muhutu, na baada ya kulipuliwa ile ndege hapo ndipo mapambano yalipokolea, na mipango ya kundondoshwa kwa ndege ilifanywa na watusi, hivyo basi watusi ndio walioanzisha/kukoleza moto wa mapambano baina ya wahutu na watusi.

 

[mossad007]

Au mbona hawamwambii Mseven akae na Kony (LRA) meza moja?

Dont u knw kwamba walishakaa wakashindwa kuafikiana?

 

[Shapu]

Dont u knw kwamba walishakaa wakashindwa kuafikiana?

Kumbe ni kitu hakiwezekani sio? so sasa wanafanyaje? unalo jawabu na ndicho Kagame anafanya.

 

[mossad007]

Kumbe ni kitu hakiwezekani sio? so sasa wanafanyaje? unalo jawabu na ndicho Kagame anafanya.

Hicho kikao alikaa kagame na hao jamaa halaf hawakuafikiana ilikua lini? Kama kila kiongozi angefikia maamuz ya kufyekana bila usuluhishi hiyo aman ya angola, msumbiji, sudan na kwingineko ingetoka wap unadiriki kusema imeshindikana wakat hakuna atempt?

 

[hekimatele]

Mkuu umewaza nilichowaza? Nilimua lert Salva juu ya hili muda tu humu humu jf. Sijui kama anapita. Kwingine kote kuna waandishi wa kupambana na international propaganda,yeye yupo wapi? Kalala?

Mkuu international propaganda+politics+diplomacy inahitaji uelewa wa mambo wa hali ya juu na akili ya ziada sana kuweza kuzimudu walau kwa uchache wake. Labda aende kupiga tuition kwa madam Condoleeza Rice manake ndo mtu walau anayeonekana anaziweza sana hizo makitu.
Kazi ipo na safari bado si fupi ati.

 

[EMT]

EMT
Hapo nyuma tumewahi kufanya mazungumzo kupitia kwa Balozi Mulamula (Mrs) kujaribu kutanzua mzozo unaondelea lakini hatukufikia muafaka mpaka Mama Mulamula alipomaliza muda wake!

Kupeleka majeshi huko mashariki mwa DRC (Ngoma) ni ombi la UN kwa serikali ya JMT katika kuongeza nguvu ya kuwanyang'anya silaha waasi wa M23 wanaonendeleza vitendo viovu vya dhidi ya Bin-adamu.

Ikumbukwe kua sio Tanzania pekee ndio imepeleka jeshi huko mashariki mwa DRC.

Kwahivo sio kosa kwa Rais Kikwete kuangalia upande mwingine wa shilingi katika kutafuta suluhu ya AMANI katika ukanda huu wa nchi za maziwa makuu!.

Ni mawazo yake na yenye kama Mkuu wa nchi ameyatoa kwakuona inaweza kusaidia kupunguza kadhia inayoendelea nchini Congo.

Kabla ya kuyaongelea hayo mawazo kama mkuu wa nchi alishakutana na mkuu wa nchi ya Rwanda na kujadiliana nae uwezekano wa kugegotiate na hao FDLR?

 

[elmagnifico]

I dont see what is wrong with Jk suggestions unless if some people have their own matters with him. what he said is right because fighting does not solve the problems, more people are dying and neither of the sides is gaining.
watanzania wengi hatumpendi raisi wetu lakini kwa hili kikwete yuko sawa sana sema watu wanajaribu kumnukuu tofauti na alichokisema.

 

[elmagnifico]

Huyu mtu anakwenda kuingilia mambo ya watu ya kwake yanamshinda. Kweli naamini huyu hajachaguliwa na wananchi kuwa rais wetu bali alisimikwa ili alinde maslahi ya viongozi waliopita na ndiyo maana anaiba bila hata huruma kwani bado hajajuwa jukumu lake ni nini hapa nchini.

sasa wewe ulitaka hayasemee wapi, ule ulikuwa ni mkutano wa AU hivyo pale ndipo pa kujadili mambo yanayohusu AU kwa ujumla ikiwemo uchumi, ulinzi na kila kitu hajaingilia mambo ya watu pale ndipo mahala pake.

 

[Rubi]

Labda hawa WanyaRwanda wanadhani wanayo hati miliki ya hasira hawa. Kuchezea Rais wa nchi yoyote ile ni kuchezea nchi hiyo yote. Kwanini wamekazana sana kututafuta? Wanatutafuta hawa.... eti? Nina mashaka tatizo wala si hii kauli ya Kikwete. Tatizo nadhani litakuwa ni Ule mwiba tumepeleka DRC.

upo sawa kabisa waliikuwa wanatafuta nitoke vipi. Maana siku zote ule mwiba wa Kongo walikuwa wanausemea chinichini. Kwelii wanakwambia fadhili mfadhili mbuzi binadamua atakuudhi wema wote tuliowatendea na bado ming'ombe yao imejazana huko Karagwe inaharibu mazingira, bado wanatuchokoa tu. Hivi hawajiulizi Jumuia za kimataifa ziwalalamike wao kila kukicha, Waliokuwa nao pamoja wanawakimbia wanatorokea SA. wakishatoroka wanawaita ni wauwaji wa kimbari kisa wameonyesha kutofautiana na Mkulu, yepi yalimpata bizimungu, yepi yamepata sijui nyamwasa, yepiyepi na yepi yataendelea kuwa yepi! mwisho wake nini si bora kupatana kwani kuna mtu ana guarantee na alipo, mbona wote tunapita tu duniani, kwani nini wengine wajione wao ni bora? Yaani ukikaa na watusi kweli wana dharau, wanajiona wao ni bora utafikiri hawanyi? Kha!

Naona tulifanya haraka kuwaingiza EAC hawa bado hawajatulia. Hainiingii akilini mtu kuambiwa upatane na fulani mgonvi wako kisha kama hutaki si unasema sitaki basi kuna lazima gani kumwambia aliyekwakwambia ukuombe msamaha? si hutaki acha kwani amekulazimisha.

Mimi naona hawa wana ajenda nyingi? Suala la Congo kwa kuwa wabongo wamo. Suala lingine lile la wahamiaji haramu na mang'ombe yao yaliyojazana kule karagwe na ngara kwa sababu serikali imesema wote waondoke? Sielewi kwa nini wanapenda kung'angania kwa watu. Yaani mwenye nyumba anakukaribisha anakupa hifadhi wakati wa shida bado unataka umpindue ili uwe wewe ndiye mwenye nyumba? hapa kuna walakini Wabongo tujitafakari we si unaona walivyojazana bongo wengi hawana hata hivyo vibali vya kuishi nchini kihalali wakiambiwa warudi yanawauma so wamepata pa kukoholea.

 

[Kiranga]

The other side of the Rwandese opinion is provided here.

OPEN LETTER OF SUPPORT TO PRESIDENT KIKWETE

OPEN LETTER OF SUPPORT TO PRESIDENT KIKWETE'S WISE STATEMENT ON RWANDA'S FDLR

May 30, 2013 by Rwema IT Webmaster 2 Comments
The Rwandan dream youth backs President Kikwete's idea with fully support


Tanzanian President Jakaya Kikwete, urged the Governments in the great lakes region to work together and end the war which has been going on for nearly 20 years, President Kikwete stressed that the only way out of that situation the region is facing was to speak to the rebels. This has caused different versions and the war of words between Rwanda and Tanzania however The Rwandan Dream Youth welcomed the idea of Mr Kikwete contrarily to the Rwandan Government.
Enclosed is the letter to the secretary General Ban Ki Moon from the Rwandan dream youth in support of President Kikwete's idea.
UN Secretary General
Ban Ki-moon
United Nations
New York, NY 10017 USA
212-963-5012fax: 212-963-7055
Email: ecu@un.org
May 29, 2013

RE: OPEN LETTER OF SUPPORT TO PRESIDENT KIKWETE'S WISE STATEMENT ON RWANDA'S FDLR AT 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF AFRICAN UNITY, ADDIS ABABA
On May 26, at the AU summit in Addis Ababa, Tanzania's President Jakaya Kikwete made a statement that will go down in history as the wisest ever. Speaking during the meeting for the parties concerned by the regional Peace Security and Cooperation Framework for the Democratic Republic of Congo, President Kikwete urged local Governments to address issues they have with armed opponents, including the Rwanda's FDLR based in Congo.
We, The Rwandan Dream Youth Worldwide, wish to ask the UN to support Hon. Kikwete's statement and call for negotiations between the Rwandan Government and the FDLR in order to put an end to the sufferance caused by two decades conflict.
Since it came to power in the wake of the 1994 genocide, Paul Kagame's Government focused on wiping out the Hutu rebels who desperately took up arms after the massacre of hundreds of thousands of refugees by the Rwandan army in the forests of Congo. We have to make it clear that the settlement of the FDLR issue is an absolute prerequisite to secure stability in the East of Congo.
In order to achieve and sustain peaceful cohabitation between DRC and Rwanda, it is crucial to address once for all the issue of the Rwandan refugees who are still on Congo's soil. The troubling fact is that the Rwandan Government is enthusiast to the cause of Kinyarwanda speaking Tutsi Congolese claiming to be excluded in their own country while the same government keeps ignoring the issue of Rwandan refugees who have spent decades in wretched conditions in DRC.
Thousands of Rwandan refugees are reluctant to return due to political intolerance prevailing in the country. Opposition politicians, human rights activists and journalists are permanently in danger of being murdered, put in jail or forced to exile.
In our opinion, it is not possible to address Congo's M23 issue and ignore Rwanda's FDLR issue. We are convinced that Hon. Kikwete's statement could be a stepping-stone to a stronger commitment from all the stakeholders. Tanzania has always been part of all processes meant to bring peace, justice and democracy to Rwanda, that is why we urge the UN to consider talks between Rwandans hosted by Tanzania.

Faithfully.
The Rwandan Dream Youth
Cc

• Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR)
• EAC Heads of States
• The President of the United States of America
• The African Union
• East African Legislative Assembly (EALA)
• All Embassies Accredited to Rwanda
• The National Assembly of Tanzania
• The Rwanda Civil Society Platform
• Ibuka

 

[timbilimu]

Sidhani kwa hali ya sasa kama mazungumzo baina ya Rwanda na waasi wa FDLR yanaweza badili chochote. Hata leo Wanyarwanda wakipatana,yataibuka makundi mengine na vita itaendelea. Viongozi wa nchi za Maziwa Makuu na Jumuiya ya Kimataifa wajikite ktk kuisaidia DRC ipate serikali imara yenye jeshi lenye nidhamu na uwezo wa kulinda mipaka ya Congo na wananchi wake.

 

[Kiranga]

Sidhani kwa hali ya sasa kama mazungumzo baina ya Rwanda na waasi wa FDLR yanaweza badili chochote. Hata leo Wanyarwanda wakipatana,yataibuka makundi mengine na vita itaendelea. Viongozi wa nchi za Maziwa Makuu na Jumuiya ya Kimataifa wajikite ktk kuisaidia DRC ipate serikali imara yenye jeshi lenye nidhamu na uwezo wa kulinda mipaka ya Congo na wananchi wake.

Tanzania imetoa msimamo wake kwamba inapendekeza mazungumzo badala ya njia nyingine za kumaliza mgogoro (njia za kijeshi etc)

Hilo halitegemei kama mazungumzo yana nafasi ya kufanikiwa ama la, na mara nyingine, pale mazungumzo yanapoonekana ni lazima yafanikiwe, huwa hayafanikiwi, na pale ambapo yanaonekana ni lazima yasifanikiwe, hufanikiwa.

Waswahili wanasema "mwanzo wa ngoma lele", na "haba na haba hujaza kibaba".

Kwa hivyo, msimamo wa serikali ya Tanzania umekuwa mazungumzo, na hatujui mazungumzo yatakavyoenda. Yakishindwa angalau tutajua yalianzishwa, na yameshindwa wapi, tutajua pa kufanyia kazi zaidi.

Waungwana hawakatai mkutano, wanaweza kukataa neno katika mkutano.

Hizi habari hakuanza Kikwete, Kikwete anafuata a core principle of the so called "Tanzanian Foreign Policy" ambayo iko hivyo tangu enzi za Nyerere, Mwinyi na Mkapa.

Wanyarwanda kusema hawawezi kufanya mazungumzo na genocedaires ni hadaa tu, kwa sababu wao wenyewe wameanzisha system ya gacaca court ambayo imejikita katika mazungumzo ya watu waliouliana ndugu zao katika mauaji ya kimbari.

Sasa kama majirani wanaweza kuzungumza katika gacaca system ili kusameheana na ku move on, kwa nini serikali na FDLR wasiweze kuzungumza katika ngazi ya juu?

Especially kama mazungumzo yako open ended?

Nimeuliza swali hili mara kadhaa sijapatiwa jibu.

 

[Setuba Noel]

Kikwete is right, and I will say this 1000 times. Retaliation, revenge will not solve the Rwandan issue, and this is a fact proven by history since time immemorial. It is disgusting and utterly despicable to hear the so-called "genocide survivors" (I doubt this status) asking Kikwete to apologize for suggesting PEACE to them! So they want WAR! This is more than absurd.

 

[Highlander]

upo sawa kabisa waliikuwa wanatafuta nitoke vipi. Maana siku zote ule mwiba wa Kongo walikuwa wanausemea chinichini. Kwelii wanakwambia fadhili mfadhili mbuzi binadamua atakuudhi wema wote tuliowatendea na bado ming'ombe yao imejazana huko Karagwe inaharibu mazingira, bado wanatuchokoa tu. Hivi hawajiulizi Jumuia za kimataifa ziwalalamike wao kila kukicha, Waliokuwa nao pamoja wanawakimbia wanatorokea SA. wakishatoroka wanawaita ni wauwaji wa kimbari kisa wameonyesha kutofautiana na Mkulu, yepi yalimpata bizimungu, yepi yamepata sijui nyamwasa, yepiyepi na yepi yataendelea kuwa yepi! mwisho wake nini si bora kupatana kwani kuna mtu ana guarantee na alipo, mbona wote tunapita tu duniani, kwani nini wengine wajione wao ni bora? Yaani ukikaa na watusi kweli wana dharau, wanajiona wao ni bora utafikiri hawanyi? Kha!

Naona tulifanya haraka kuwaingiza EAC hawa bado hawajatulia. Hainiingii akilini mtu kuambiwa upatane na fulani mgonvi wako kisha kama hutaki si unasema sitaki basi kuna lazima gani kumwambia aliyekwakwambia ukuombe msamaha? si hutaki acha kwani amekulazimisha.

Mimi naona hawa wana ajenda nyingi? Suala la Congo kwa kuwa wabongo wamo. Suala lingine lile la wahamiaji haramu na mang'ombe yao yaliyojazana kule karagwe na ngara kwa sababu serikali imesema wote waondoke? Sielewi kwa nini wanapenda kung'angania kwa watu. Yaani mwenye nyumba anakukaribisha anakupa hifadhi wakati wa shida bado unataka umpindue ili uwe wewe ndiye mwenye nyumba? hapa kuna walakini Wabongo tujitafakari we si unaona walivyojazana bongo wengi hawana hata hivyo vibali vya kuishi nchini kihalali wakiambiwa warudi yanawauma so wamepata pa kukoholea.

Analysis yako nimeipenda. Hapa hasa pamenikuna zaidi: watusi kweli wana dharau, wanajiona wao ni bora utafikiri hawanyi? Kha!

Tunaweza kuwa na madhaifu yetu kama taifa. Tanzania ni taifa limeundwa na binadamu. Sikubali hata siku moja mtu anatuzalilisha kwa hoja ya kijinga kama hii. Watusi wana kasumba ya kudhani wao wana vinasaba vya anglo saxon kwa sababu ya urefu na vipua vyao vyembamba; na kwa fikara zao wanadhani vinasaba vya anglo saxon vina ubora kuliko vinasaba vya bantu. a bunch of bull shit! binadamu wote wameumbwa kwa nyama, mifupa, damu na roho.

Sifa kubwa ya anglo saxon ni upeo mpana wa kufikiri--reason! Ni mtu gani mwenye akili nzuri atakataa kupatanishwa?
Hawa wanaumwa. Anglo saxon nimeishi nao katika mazingira ya familia. Wanalia, wanacheka, wanakasirika, wanafurahi kama mimi na wewe. Kikubwa kuliko vyote wanafikiri na ku-reason things out. Ni mtu gani mwenye akili timamu atakataa kupatanishwa na adui yake? Labda kichaa.... They must be subdued. Militarily.

 

[Izz]

Kabla ya kuyaongelea hayo mawazo kama mkuu wa nchi alishakutana na mkuu wa nchi ya Rwanda na kujadiliana nae uwezekano wa kugegotiate na hao FDLR?

EMT
Sina hakika kama alishawahi kumwambia ana kwa ana. Lakini hicho cha kutokukutana uso kwa macho hakimzui JK kutoa maoni yake, ikizingatiwa pale walikua katika hafla ya miaka 50 ya AU