‘Kikwete’s remarks on FDLR shocking’

[Bongolander]

Dialogue ndio mpango mzima katika upatikanaji wa AMANI katika nchi hizi za mziwa makuu.... Mkuu wa Kaya amezungumza bila kumung'unya maneno!

Katika mambo ambayo naweza kusema ni lazima tumsifie Rais wetu, ni hasa pale anapotoa kauli za kiutu uzima ambazo ni measured. Nilimuona JK ni true statesman alipozungumzia mgogoro wetu na Malawi, na kumuita Joyce Banda, my sister na kufuatia na maneno very diplomatic, tofauti na baadhi ya wanasiasa waliokuwa wanaongea pumba huku nyumbani.

Hili la Rwanda, tutake tusitake, tupende tusipende roundtable ni lazima iwepo, otherwise there is another genocide in making. Kama RPF wataendelea kuwa manunda kwa kuwa sasa wako madarakani, yanaweza kuwakuta sikumoja yaliyomkuta Habyarimana. Kama hawataki kuongea sasa wanachotaka ni nini? kuwaua wote? au kuendelea kulia kila siku kila siku genociders? On this i will give my president a big thumb up.

 

[Shapu]

Kikwete kaja juzi tu na nashangaa kashupaliwa sana kwa hili huyu jamaa ni kichwa maji sawa lakin si kwa hili, investigation na report ilishatolewa before na EU, UN na US. EU walisuspend assistance kwa bajet ya Rwanda, US wakasuspend hundreds of millions which ws 2b directed to Rwanda Military Academy UN wakaona ipelekwe Special Brigade under UNMOSCU kusaidia intervation itaanza kaz June/July. Nikuulize swali.. EU, US na UN wanatatizo gan na Rwanda mpka waisingizie? Rwanda inasingiziwa na Dunia nzima? Baadhi ya askar waasi tena weng waliojisalimisha na kukamatwa wametoa picture nzima ya jinsi misaada inavyotoka RPF kuwafikia waasi, UN waipotaka kupeleka drones for reconnaisance kwenye mpka wa Congo na Rwanda unajua kagame alisema nini? Alipinga kua Africa bado ni hafifu kwenye technology hiyo hivyo wataintrude uhuru wa Rwanda sasa swali linakuja kama hupitishi magendo uhuru gan utakaoingiliwa? Drone hazifiki kwenye anga la Rwanda was was wako nn? South Africa wanatengeneza drones na kulinda mipaka yao three times kwa ukubwa kwa ule wa Rwanda kwa miaka 10 sasa wangeshindwa vp kulinda kimpka kidgo cha Congo na Rwanda? Anamengi ya kuficha huyu bwana sema kajijengea heshima sna duniani hata mimi kuna mengi namheshim ispokua hili so kugundulika kua anajihusisha na mambo haram kama haya kwake ni fedheha kubwa na ndio maana anatumia diplomasia na vyombo vya nyumban kwake kujisafisha!

Sawa sawa, najua Kagame ana issue zake nyingine nyingi kama ulivyo eleza na si yeye, there are big guys behind, lakini kwenye hii isue ya Kikwete na ushauri wake ni hauwezekani. Wale FDLR sio watu wa kukaa nao kwa kuwa ni kundi la kivita, huwezi ambia Kagame wakae wakubaliane nini na wakati wale vita ndo maisha yao, wanakodiwa, wanatumika either na kagame or other nations etc which is a separate thing. Kikubwa ni kwamba hao jamaa ndo waliokuwa ousted na RPF na hao ndo walitaka maliza kizazi cha Tutsis.

 

[Kigogo]

jk kaambiwa awashauri usa wakae meza moja na al queda..yule waziri wao wa mambo y nje ana maneno makali vibaya sana

 

[Kigogo]

jk apige magoti mbele za watu aombe msamaha

 

[Zekidon]

negotiations is the best protocal, i see no reason to still keep these guys here in our country, wamejaa tele tunawalisha hapa halafu wanaleta kelele

 

[Ndumbayeye]

Huyu sidhani hata kama anajua mahusiano baina ya hizi pande mbili ki undani na ndio maana karopoka. Ukiwa unasafiri safiri ughaibuni unapata wapi muda wa kujua yanaoendelea kwako achilia mbali kwa majirani zako?

we unapinga tu au nawewe unapata posho!

 

[Kigogo]

apige magoti na kuomba msamaha mara moja ..kwanza wampe ultimatum akikataa washambulie tanzania

 

[Kwetunikwetu]

Haaa haaa....I told this forum before that fighting against M23 has very long term strategic goals......!

 

[mossad007]

Sawa sawa, najua Kagame ana issue zake nyingine nyingi kama ulivyo eleza na si yeye, there are big guys behind, lakini kwenye hii isue ya Kikwete na ushauri wake ni hauwezekani. Wale FDLR sio watu wa kukaa nao kwa kuwa ni kundi la kivita, huwezi ambia Kagame wakae wakubaliane nini na wakati wale vita ndo maisha yao, wanakodiwa, wanatumika either na kagame or other nations etc which is a separate thing. Kikubwa ni kwamba hao jamaa ndo waliokuwa ousted na RPF na hao ndo walitaka maliza kizazi cha Tutsis.

Lakin Shapu dunia ya leo hakuna linaloshindikana ndugu yangu dialogue zimeleta suluhisho sehem nying tu dunian. Najua utakua unaelewa UNITA (sasa chama cha siasa) imetokea wap wamepigana vita miongo kadhaa, Siera Leon na Liberia, South Sudan na Sudan zimetokea wap, tatizo la dialogue lipo kwenye dunia ya waarab tu na nahis ni kutokana na version ya Ugaid vs umagharibi, na western culture vs Islamic civilazation kwamba baadh ya waarab wanajiona freedon fighters while ulaya wanawaona magaidi na wengne wanaona maslah ya dini yao yanapigwa vita while wazungu wanaita extrimism/radicalism ila kwa Africa hatujashindwa bado kama viongozi wakiweka tamaa nyuma na uzalendo mbele inawezekana kagame aache kutoa support na waasi wakubali demokrasia ichukue nafas!

 

[Kobello]

Sawa sawa, najua Kagame ana issue zake nyingine nyingi kama ulivyo eleza na si yeye, there are big guys behind, lakini kwenye hii isue ya Kikwete na ushauri wake ni hauwezekani. Wale FDLR sio watu wa kukaa nao kwa kuwa ni kundi la kivita, huwezi ambia Kagame wakae wakubaliane nini na wakati wale vita ndo maisha yao, wanakodiwa, wanatumika either na kagame or other nations etc which is a separate thing. Kikubwa ni kwamba hao jamaa ndo waliokuwa ousted na RPF na hao ndo walitaka maliza kizazi cha Tutsis.

Makundi mangapi ya kivita yamekaa chini na kukubaliana???
RENAMO, UNITA ... Wote hawa mbona wanapeta?
Tatizo lako ni kwamba ume cherry pick a timeline .... your timeline is flawed!! why start after RPF took power?

 

[bornagain]

Tatizo letu sisi Watanzania litabaki kuwa moja tu nalo ni kwamba kila mtu anatuchukulia powa tu,lakini ukweli ni kwamba Watusi wana dharau sana na wanajua kucheza na mind zetu vizuri sana in case you dont know.Wewe kama unafikiri nakutania google Rwanda then Google na Tanzania then utaona ni nchi gani imeaandikwa mara nyingi na habari zake ni nyingi kwenye google ama hata kwenye youtube. Mtu mwingine anaweza akasema kuwa eti Rwanda itaapear mara nyingi kwenye google na youtube eti kwa sababu ya habari za mauji lakini ukweli ni kwamba wala si kwa habari za maauaji hata kidogo ni habari za kuonyesha jinsi Rwanda inavosinga mbele katika kila nyanja.

Sisi watu wenye idea za uandishi tunawatoaboa macho na kuwamwagia tindikali sasa unategemea waandike nini.We must be strong brothers and sisters katika uandishi wa habari za kimataifa,lazima sehemu nyeti kama Ikulu, wizara za utalii, ulinzi hata mambo ya ndani kuwe na waandishi wazuri wanaoweza kuielezea nchi yetu vizuri, watengeneze mablog na kupost picha nzuri za Tanzania na watu wake.Bila kufanya hivo tutaendelea kuonekana kama nchi yenye jina kubwa lakini habari zake nzuri watu wa nje ya Tanzania hawazipati na kuzijua.Yaani natamani sana wapatikane watu wanaojua publilicity za kimataifa sio hawa tulionao ambao hata hawajui kuifanya website iweze kupatikana kwenye serch engine ya google.I am really tired with people who are eating the national cake but still sitting on their desk doing nothing.Nina uchungu sana napoona tunashambuliwa na kanchi kama Rwanda ambako ni juzi tu kamatujazia wakimbizi ambao walisababishwa na uroho wa madaraka wa Kagame kushindwa kunegotiate na wahutu wakaanda serikali ya bila kumwaga damu.I am tired with everything simply because watu wetu wa Tanzania hatuko responsible tunafikiria mambo mepesimepesi tu basi

 

[Kiranga]

There may be some issues with the style, phrasing, timing etc, but on the substance Kikwete is right.

Waungwana hawakatai wito wa kukutana, hukataa maneno. Huyo Reagan mwenyewe aliyesema "we do not negotiate with terrorists" kaenda ku negotiate nao, itakuwa Kagame?

Halafu nshangaa hao ma genocide survivors wanaenda kumsemea Kikwete UN - chombo kilichoanzishwa kwa nia ya kuleta upatanishi baina ya watu wenye migogoro - kwamba Kikwete anawataka wafanye mazungumzo ya upatanishi.

I can fault Kikwete on a countless issues, perhaps even in the nuances of this, but not on the substance.

Dawa ya uhasimu ni mapatano, na mapatano hayaji kwa vita, huja kwa mazungumzo.

Tukirudi kwao huko Rwanda, what was the point of the gacaca system?

Walitaka Kikwete asemeje? Waueni adui zenu wote muwamalize usoni mwa dunia?

Hilarious.

 

[aminiusiamini]

Perfect advise kwa Kagame? my foot! Unajua unapotoa ushauri lazima uwe unafahamu in details mgogoro ama issue yenyewe. Sasa huyu jamaa haelewi the depth ya hii issue anakimbilia kutoa ushauri ambao yuko on the fence akifikiri ataoneka amefanya kitu. it is not working on this issue.

you know you people in great lakes think we dnt know anything going on in the area, you must be sick!
for your info, we knew who was going to bring down the habryimana plane that day. and the late president was also advised but he didint listen.
Kagame ndio alianzisha hii genocide and he is the one to end it. whether rwanda love it or not we dnt care.

 

[Malyenge]

Museveni mwenyewe kwanza mambo kwake yashamuia magumu. Anataka mwanae aje awe mrithi na kuna movement kali imeanza ya kupinga hilo kwa nguvu zote ikiwemo Chief of Intelligence ambaye ameshajiuzulu na ameeleza wazi wazi kuwa hamuungi mkono hali iliyopelekea kuachilia nyuzi kwenye vyombo vya habari kadha wa kadha ambavyo vishapigwa censorship. Hili sakata la East Africa naona kama linafanana sana. Viongozi wenye uchu wa madaraka. Sio Mu7, wala mwingine yoyote. Wote wana uchu sana na madaraka.

Including viongozi wooote vyama vya siasa Afrika Mashariki

 

[Swat]

Mkuu umewaza nilichowaza? Nilimua lert Salva juu ya hili muda tu humu humu jf. Sijui kama anapita. Kwingine kote kuna waandishi wa kupambana na international propaganda,yeye yupo wapi? Kalala?

Tatizo letu sisi Watanzania litabaki kuwa moja tu nalo ni kwamba kila mtu anatuchukulia powa tu,lakini ukweli ni kwamba Watusi wana dharau sana na wanajua kucheza na mind zetu vizuri sana in case you dont know.Wewe kama unafikiri nakutania google Rwanda then Google na Tanzania then utaona ni nchi gani imeaandikwa mara nyingi na habari zake ni nyingi kwenye google ama hata kwenye youtube. Mtu mwingine anaweza akasema kuwa eti Rwanda itaapear mara nyingi kwenye google na youtube eti kwa sababu ya habari za mauji lakini ukweli ni kwamba wala si kwa habari za maauaji hata kidogo ni habari za kuonyesha jinsi Rwanda inavosinga mbele katika kila nyanja.

Sisi watu wenye idea za uandishi tunawatoaboa macho na kuwamwagia tindikali sasa unategemea waandike nini.We must be strong brothers and sisters katika uandishi wa habari za kimataifa,lazima sehemu nyeti kama Ikulu, wizara za utalii, ulinzi hata mambo ya ndani kuwe na waandishi wazuri wanaoweza kuielezea nchi yetu vizuri, watengeneze mablog na kupost picha nzuri za Tanzania na watu wake.Bila kufanya hivo tutaendelea kuonekana kama nchi yenye jina kubwa lakini habari zake nzuri watu wa nje ya Tanzania hawazipati na kuzijua.Yaani natamani sana wapatikane watu wanaojua publilicity za kimataifa sio hawa tulionao ambao hata hawajui kuifanya website iweze kupatikana kwenye serch engine ya google.I am really tired with people who are eating the national cake but still sitting on their desk doing nothing.Nina uchungu sana napoona tunashambuliwa na kanchi kama Rwanda ambako ni juzi tu kamatujazia wakimbizi ambao walisababishwa na uroho wa madaraka wa Kagame kushindwa kunegotiate na wahutu wakaanda serikali ya bila kumwaga damu.I am tired with everything simply because watu wetu wa Tanzania hatuko responsible tunafikiria mambo mepesimepesi tu basi

 

[bornagain]

Mkuu umewaza nilichowaza? Nilimua lert Salva juu ya hili muda tu humu humu jf. Sijui kama anapita. Kwingine kote kuna waandishi wa kupambana na international propaganda,yeye yupo wapi? Kalala?

Unamaliza muda wako eti kumualert sijui Silva Rweyemamu, hakuna kitu pale wewe huoni hata directorate ya habari ambayo ipo chini yake email yake inapitia yahoo.com. How safe we are by using yahoo server kupitishia habari nyeti za nhci yetu? Tunaghitaji vijana ama watu wapya wenye muelekeo na uchapakazi na watu watakaopokea maoni na ushauri na siyo hao wanaofanya kazi kwa mazoea,juzi tu kwenye twitter tumehenyeshwa sana na M23 we acha tu.Mimi ushauri wangu wanatakiwa wapatikane watu wanaoizungumzia na kuitetetea nchi na kuongea mambo mazuri ya nchi kwenye social media kote,yaani hao watu wapo makini na kuangalia nani kapost nini kwenye youtube,twiter,facebook na kwingineko na kama kuna habari imekosewa haraka watu hao wanafanya marekebisho ama wanakanusha.Mimi am just asking my brother just tell me since hao wanyaRwanda wametushambulia kwa maneno kuna hata mtu alietokea hata kuandika mstari mmoja wa kukanusha? Kama hayupo ni kwa sababu hatujazingatia hicho nilichokuambia, hatuna watu wenye utayari na kama wapo basi idea zao zinafifishwa na watu wanaofanya kazi kwa mazoea,tubadilike maana ulimwengu umebadilika otherwise kesho usishangae tunavunjiwa heshima hata na Burundi

 

[kmbwembwe]

Hawa watutsi wanatumia mauaji dhidi yao yaliyosababishwa na wao wenyewe kwa kuvamia rwanda toka uganda kama mtaji wa kisiasa. wanataka huruma ya mauaji dhidi yao iwe mtaji wa wao kuhodhi madaraka ya kisiasa rwanda. Eti wanataka congo iongee na waasi wake wa kitutsi ambao wanapewa silaha na rwanda na kupigana kutokea nchi hiyo. Wao hawataki kuongea na waasi wao wa kihutu na kila mnyarwanda mpigania haki na demokrasia ya kweli wanamuita genocider. Hawa watutsi katikati ya bara la afrika ni kiini cha kukosekana amani eneo la maziwa makuu. Siku zote hawaishi fujo za kugombea madaraka kwenye nchi wanazokaa. Mazungumzo na FDLR ni jambo la lazima ili kupata amani ya kweli na ya kudumu Rwanda na waache kuitisha tanzania na rais wake kama wana akili nzuri.

 

[Chikwa]

On what grounds do they demand an apology? President Kikwete has his faults as a leader but on this case he is right!

The only way for Rwanda to move forward is negotiation otherwise hate will continue between the two tribes.

 

[kmbwembwe]

Unamaliza muda wako eti kumualert sijui Silva Rweyemamu, hakuna kitu pale wewe huoni hata directorate ya habari ambayo ipo chini yake email yake inapitia yahoo.com. How safe we are by using yahoo server kupitishia habari nyeti za nhci yetu? Tunaghitaji vijana ama watu wapya wenye muelekeo na uchapakazi na watu watakaopokea maoni na ushauri na siyo hao wanaofanya kazi kwa mazoea,juzi tu kwenye twitter tumehenyeshwa sana na M23 we acha tu.Mimi ushauri wangu wanatakiwa wapatikane watu wanaoizungumzia na kuitetetea nchi na kuongea mambo mazuri ya nchi kwenye social media kote,yaani hao watu wapo makini na kuangalia nani kapost nini kwenye youtube,twiter,facebook na kwingineko na kama kuna habari imekosewa haraka watu hao wanafanya marekebisho ama wanakanusha.Mimi am just asking my brother just tell me since hao wanyaRwanda wametushambulia kwa maneno kuna hata mtu alietokea hata kuandika mstari mmoja wa kukanusha? Kama hayupo ni kwa sababu hatujazingatia hicho nilichokuambia, hatuna watu wenye utayari na kama wapo basi idea zao zinafifishwa na watu wanaofanya kazi kwa mazoea,tubadilike maana ulimwengu umebadilika otherwise kesho usishangae tunavunjiwa heshima hata na Burundi

Nakubaliana na wewe 100% huyo rweyemamu asije akawa one of m23 hawa jamaa wamejipenyeza sana kwenye system yetu. Kama sio basi tuone anapambana na hii propaganda ya kijinga ya m23 effectively. Hawa akina m23 ni hodari sana wa propaganda ndio maana wanafanikiwa kuendelea na udhalimu wao kwa wacongo na eneo lote la maziwa makuu.

 

[rushasha]

apige magoti na kuomba msamaha mara moja ..kwanza wampe ultimatum akikataa washambulie tanzania

Wajaribu waone!