I seek guidance please: Is Jesus 100% God or 100% Man?

[GentleGiant]

This is anice quotation but some section of Muslims me personally I don't consider them Muslims, just a Cult called Ahmadiyya/Qadianis for them believe that Jesus (pbuh) has already come in the name of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani of India born 1839 died 1908, I consider them as false belief just searching for world recognition and wealthy.

Quran has has identified Maryam sister of Aroon as the mother of Jesus.Sister of Aroon is the sister of Moses.We read he story when he brother Moses was put to the river,she was the one who followed the stream until she saw the doughter of Pharoah took him...we all know the story.

The interesting question is that Jesus and Moses appeared 1400 years apart,how can Sister of Moses be the same Maryam mother of Jesus?Does it mean Maryam lived more than 1500 years or the Quran here made a major error?

If this is a huge mistake?how can we believe other stories mentioned in the book?

 

[GentleGiant]

JESUS WILL REJECT ME IF I WORSHIP HIM, SAYS MY BIBLE

MATTHEW 7:21-23 NOT FOUND IN YOUR BIBLE?

The bible in Mathew 7:21-23 says Jesus will deny and reject anyone worshipping him.

why do catholics and other Christian sects keep worshipping Jesus and his mother.

Nothing will be painful like spending all your time on earth worshipping Jesus instead of the True God he worshipped in Luke 6:12, Matthew 26:39, Hebrews

Read mark 12:29 worship only one God without any partner.

So Jesus was 100% human anyone who worship him is an infedal.

Uwezo wako wa kutafisiri unachangamoto ngoja nikuwekee hapa hiyo mistari nikusaidie kuichambua.

Matthew 7

[21] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to Me on that day [when I judge them], ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, and driven out demons in Your name, and done many miracles in Your name?’
[23] And then I will declare to them publicly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me [you are banished from My presence], you who act wickedly [disregarding My commands].’

The theme of this chapter ilikuwa inazungumzia Manabii wa uongo.Yesu hapa alikuwa anajaribu kuwaeleza wanafunzi wake kuwa tutawajua kwa matunda yao.The point here kuna manabii wauongo na wa ukweli.Wote hawa wanahubiri na kutumia jina la Yesu.Wote hawa wanafukuza mapepo na kuponya wagonjwa kwa kutumia jina la Yesu.Lakini sio wote wanaofanya mapenzi ya Mungu.

Yesu sasa kuanzia mstari wa 21 ndo anaweka wazi kuna ambao watasema walikuwa wakifanya hayo kwa jina lake lakini kwa kuwa walikuwa hawatendi mapenzi ya Mungu atawakataa na kusema hawajui.

Somo hili halina uhusiano wa aina yeyote na hoja yako kwamba Yesu kasema ukimuabudu atakukataa.Kwamba Yesu amegoma kuabudiwa.

Train you brain to Think.Be objective usiwe unajaribu kufurahisha genge.

 

[GentleGiant]

But using our logic not magic it defeats human reasoning if you say that Jesus is the way to God and then you say Jesus him self is God then you say he was sent by God its a total confusion, that only pple with less reasoning can fall aprey in this trap.........I would advise you to support your response with biblical quotation to look relevant

John 14:6

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.

That was very clear and very Authoritave.

Point me to someone who has the same conviction.

 

[GentleGiant]

Joseph, you may be right now we want to know the creator of that nature? Bcz every thing has got a bigining and the end so tell us who created nature?

Everything Material has a beggining and an end,not everything (Stephen Hawkings said that,Physicist).

There are immaterial things and they do not fall under that principle. GOD is Immaterial being.He created the Universe (Time and Space) and Matter.

Time wasnt here before he created it.Matter wasnt here before he created it.If that is the case it is clear that time can't control him or matter as we see it determine who he is.

To help you further this knowledge go and read a book called Stealing From God by Frank Turek.


I can give you a Soft Copy if you want.

 

[GentleGiant]

He is 100% God who chose to come to us in our likeness(the same flesh as ours) just like he chose to reavel himself in the sight of Moses in form of fire in the bush. Just like he reaveled himself in form of a Dove etc. That was just his purposeful mission aiming at revealing himself evidently before us. And when the mission was over he then turned himself to his original form of existence through his ascension. Now talking about the fig tree,that was a very clear practical lesson to his disciples who were around him by the moment so that they should know that God is mainly and strictly concerned with the fruits of salvation in their personal lives. Not leaves,not branches,not steam,not roots but FRUITS OF SALVATION and that if you say you are in Jesus Christ then you have a task to ensure that you bear fruits of salvation for God's glory,otherwise,you shall be withered just like that fig tree. Being in Christ Jesus is one thing but bearing fruits for him is another different thing. Jesus recognizes and appreciates us by fruits and not by a "christian label"

He doesnt want to understand so you will waste your energy.He wants to argue. I know its fustrating because once you know Christ you want people to know him,you feel like you want to declare to the world who he is and it fustrating to see some people redicule that.

The truth is it would have been simpler if you know Jesus and live your life.But the desire to share is too much to ignore. You said what you wanted to say now le them think if they ignore it let them.Just pray to the Holy Spirit that he touches their hearts.They are not the first people to have a heart of stone.

 

[Travis Walker]

Unajua ndugu zangu wakiristo kuna jambo hawakulifahamu kabisa. Jesus hakuwa mungu in any way, na wala hakuwa na uwezo wakubeba uungu kwa njia yoyote kwa uhakika but alikuwa ni binaadamu aliezaliwa na mwanamke.

Kwasababu before Jesus na hata kabla ya dunia, Mungu alikuwepo. Na walipita watu wengi before Jesus na wao pia walikuwa wakiabudu Mungu na walikuwa na dini zao.

Yesu alikuwa ni mtume aliyetumwa kwa taifa la Israel, Na mtume ni binaadamu na anabeba sifa zote za mwanadamu isipokuwa yeye hupokea uono kutoka kwa Mungu.

Yesu sio mtoto wa Mungu, kwasababu Mungu aliyetukuka hana sifa za udhaifu alizowapatia viumbe wake.
Yesu sio Mungu kwasababu before Jesus Mungu alikuwepo na watu walikuwa na tamaduni zao kama ilivyo-kawaida.

Ukweli ni kuwa dunia ya kale na mpaka sasa, Siasa hutumia dini kama chombo cha kuvutia wafuasi, hivyo sio ajabu kuwa Bible 20% is real and 80% other is human wishes .

 

[StudentTeacher]

He doesnt want to understand so you will waste your energy.He wants to argue. I know its fustrating because once you know Christ you want people to know him,you feel like you want to declare to the world who he is and it fustrating to see some people redicule that.

The truth is it would have been simpler if you know Jesus and live your life.But the desire to share is too much to ignore. You said what you wanted to say now le them think if they ignore it let them.Just pray to the Holy Spirit that he touches their hearts.They are not the first people to have a heart of stone.

Amen

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[Tipstipstor]

Quran has has identified Maryam sister of Aroon as the mother of Jesus.Sister of Aroon is the sister of Moses.We read he story when he brother Moses was put to the river,she was the one who followed the stream until she saw the doughter of Pharoah took him...we all know the story.

The interesting question is that Jesus and Moses appeared 1400 years apart,how can Sister of Moses be the same Maryam mother of Jesus?Does it mean Maryam lived more than 1500 years or the Quran here made a major error?

If this is a huge mistake?how can we believe other stories mentioned in the book?

When Quran says Maryam is a sister of Aaron means she came from the same clan (blood line) of Aaron .

 

[Tipstipstor]

Quran has has identified Maryam sister of Aroon as the mother of Jesus.Sister of Aroon is the sister of Moses.We read he story when he brother Moses was put to the river,she was the one who followed the stream until she saw the doughter of Pharoah took him...we all know the story.

The interesting question is that Jesus and Moses appeared 1400 years apart,how can Sister of Moses be the same Maryam mother of Jesus?Does it mean Maryam lived more than 1500 years or the Quran here made a major error?

If this is a huge mistake?how can we believe other stories mentioned in the book?

Hakuna errors zozote kwenye Quran ni uelewa wako tu ndio hukupelekea kujichanganya. Maryam amtoka katika ukoo wa Harun ...so ana haki ya kusema kuwa Harun ni kaka yake..ndio utaratibu wa watu wa middle east kuitana hivyo.

 

[Mazindu Msambule]

He is a 100% a man. There isn't any confusion. God is just one and he is the one who sent Juses to this world specifically to Israelians.

God never die, never feel hungry. He is always perfect in everything

Naomba nijibu kwa Kiswahili though ningeweza kuandika kwa kimalikia as well but for the interest of many who read let's use swahili as the media of many in our country.

Mleta uzi kama nimemuelewa vizuri hata yeye kuna vitu vimemchanganya kwenye hilo andiko alilolinukuu; kwamba kama kweli Yesu ni Mungu, kwanini hakujua kama ule mti haukua na matunda? Maana Mungu angejua even before hajaenda kuangalia kama matunda yapo au la, Mungu hahitaji uthibitisha wa kiushahidi, angejua tu mapema kwamba pale hakuna kila kitu; lakini pia ukimsoma mleta uzi, kuna kitu pia kinamchanganya (though kipo kwa kificho ) kwamba kama Yesu ni binadamu wa kawaida, kivipi kaulaani mti ule na saa hiyo hiyo ukakauka? Nadhani hata yeye ametilia mashaka ubinadamu wa Yesu hapa (though kaiweka kwa namna nyingine kwamba hata sisi tusiwe wepesi wa kulaani haraka cause ulikua sio msimu wa matunda kwa mti ule)

Twende sasa hatua kwa hatua kuhusu ubinadamu wa Yesu, moja alisikia njaa na hi ndio ilimfanya aende akauchungulie mti kama unayo matunda (hapa tunaweza kusema pasipo shaka, alikua anatafuta chakula kwasababu ya njaa ). Hu ni ubinadamu wa kawaida, but soma kwa makini tena mistari hiyo hiyo hasa mstari wa 20 ambao mwandishi wa hu UZI kauacha unasomeka hivi, "When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. "How did the fig tree withered so quickly?" They asked. Nadhani hili jambo waliliona sio jambo linaloweza kufanywa na binadamu wa kawaida, hi iliwashangaza kina Petro na wenzake.
But again, hivi kiumbe kiitwe Mungu/mungu kinakua na sifa zipi??? Na je hizo sifa alikua nazo huyu Yesu or No!? Tujadiri hilo. naachia hapa kwanza

 

[Mazindu Msambule]

JESUS WILL REJECT ME IF I WORSHIP HIM, SAYS MY BIBLE

MATTHEW 7:21-23 NOT FOUND IN YOUR BIBLE?

The bible in Mathew 7:21-23 says Jesus will deny and reject anyone worshipping him.

why do catholics and other Christian sects keep worshipping Jesus and his mother.

Nothing will be painful like spending all your time on earth worshipping Jesus instead of the True God he worshipped in Luke 6:12, Matthew 26:39, Hebrews

Read mark 12:29 worship only one God without any partner.

So Jesus was 100% human anyone who worship him is an infedal.

Du, we jamaa. Hebu soma ya Kiswahili halafu tuone kama utaendelea kua na msimamo huo kwa maandishi hayo uliyoyaweka hapa! Sometimes nadhani tafsiri huaga ni kikwazo kwa wengi, maandishi hayo mbona ni rahisi sana kuyaelewa...!

 

[Sax]

Kwani mimba yake formation na DNA yake ni ya kibinadamu?

 

[The Guitarist]

Unajua ndugu zangu wakiristo kuna jambo hawakulifahamu kabisa. Jesus hakuwa mungu in any way, na wala hakuwa na uwezo wakubeba uungu kwa njia yoyote kwa uhakika but alikuwa ni binaadamu aliezaliwa na mwanamke.

Kwasababu before Jesus na hata kabla ya dunia, Mungu alikuwepo. Na walipita watu wengi before Jesus na wao pia walikuwa wakiabudu Mungu na walikuwa na dini zao.

Yesu alikuwa ni mtume aliyetumwa kwa taifa la Israel, Na mtume ni binaadamu na anabeba sifa zote za mwanadamu isipokuwa yeye hupokea uono kutoka kwa Mungu.

Yesu sio mtoto wa Mungu, kwasababu Mungu aliyetukuka hana sifa za udhaifu alizowapatia viumbe wake.
Yesu sio Mungu kwasababu before Jesus Mungu alikuwepo na watu walikuwa na tamaduni zao kama ilivyo-kawaida.

Ukweli ni kuwa dunia ya kale na mpaka sasa, Siasa hutumia dini kama chombo cha kuvutia wafuasi, hivyo sio ajabu kuwa Bible 20% is real and 80% other is human wishes .

Ok vyote ulivyoandika Yesu alivijibu kwa Kusema👇👇👇👇

Yohana 8:58
Neno: Bibilia Takatifu
​

58 Yesu akawa jibu, “Nawaambia wazi, kabla Ibrahimu hajazaliwa, ‘Mimi nipo.’ ”


🤔Kamaanisha Hata kabla ya misingi ya ulimwengu alikuwepo, yupo na atakuwepo.

 

[Mokiti]

When Quran says Maryam is a sister of Aaron means she came from the same clan (blood line) of Aaron .

Tunaona kwenye koran inamtaja Issa, Babu yake ni Imran na Uncle zake ni Haruni na Mussa
3;35. Alipo sema mke wa Imran: Mola wangu Mlezi! Nimekuwekea nadhiri kilichomo tumboni mwangu kuwa wakfu........
36. Basi alipo mzaa alisema: Mola wangu Mlezi! Nimemzaa mwanamke(Maryamu)
19:28 “Ewe dada yake Haruni. Baba yako hakuwa mtu mbaya.
66;12. Na Mariamu binti wa Imrani, aliye linda ubikira wake,

 

[Mpini Wa Chuma]

mbona Adam alikuwapo kabla

Ok vyote ulivyoandika Yesu alivijibu kwa Kusema[emoji116][emoji116][emoji116][emoji116]

Yohana 8:58
Neno: Bibilia Takatifu
​

58 Yesu akawa jibu, “Nawaambia wazi, kabla Ibrahimu hajazaliwa, ‘Mimi nipo.’ ”


[emoji848]Kamaanisha Hata kabla ya misingi ya ulimwengu alikuwepo, yupo na atakuwepo.

 

[nelson onesmo]

I have not comprehend fully to your position, but I can add this,

Believing that Jesus was God it bcomes a dogmatic belief that cant be proved intellectually or even Biblically. Let me give you three things to show clearly that aworshipping of false god. 1. A tempted god by a Devil can never be God according to the Bible.

2. A dead god is a false god as God is Immortal and can never taste death for a second talkless of three days and three nights. 3. God is not a Man or Son of a Man and no eyes has ever seen him according to the Bible.Moreover,it is written in the Bible thus:"A curse is on a man who is hanged on a gibbet" Are you serving an Accursed god? Are these things truly stated in the Bible that pple believe as their Holy Book.

Both 100% man and 100% God and if you dont believe in him your spirit is in danger when is out of your body

 

[The Guitarist]

mbona Adam alikuwapo kabla

Hivi umeelewa lakini.... Adam alikuwepo akafa mwisho wa Story yake.....Kuhusu Yesu hayo aliyasema miaka 2000 iliyopita huku akiwa anaonyesha hata kabla ya wale ambao wayahudi waliwaona ni wakuu sana kwao ( Ibrahimu na Musa) Yeye alikuwako....

Kuhusu Adamu....Yesu alikuwako hata kabla yake..👇👇👇👇

1 Petro 1:20​

1 Petro 1:20 NEN​

Yeye alichaguliwa kabla ya kuwekwa kwa misingi ya ulimwengu, lakini akadhihirishwa katika siku hizi za mwisho kwa ajili yenu.

 

[GentleGiant]

When Quran says Maryam is a sister of Aaron means she came from the same clan (blood line) of Aaron .

Mary mother of Jesus came from Jude bloodline not Levi who is forefather of Aroon.

You see this is what i call a Major mistake.

 

[GentleGiant]

Hakuna errors zozote kwenye Quran ni uelewa wako tu ndio hukupelekea kujichanganya. Maryam amtoka katika ukoo wa Harun ...so ana haki ya kusema kuwa Harun ni kaka yake..ndio utaratibu wa watu wa middle east kuitana hivyo.

Nimekueleza Maria mama yake Yesu hajatoka ukoo aliotoka Harun,Haruni ametoka ukoo wa Lawi na Maria ametoka ukoowa Yuda.

 

[GentleGiant]

Tunaona kwenye koran inamtaja Issa, Babu yake ni Imran na Uncle zake ni Haruni na Mussa
3;35. Alipo sema mke wa Imran: Mola wangu Mlezi! Nimekuwekea nadhiri kilichomo tumboni mwangu kuwa wakfu........
36. Basi alipo mzaa alisema: Mola wangu Mlezi! Nimemzaa mwanamke(Maryamu)
19:28 “Ewe dada yake Haruni. Baba yako hakuwa mtu mbaya.
66;12. Na Mariamu binti wa Imrani, aliye linda ubikira wake,

Ndo mana nasema Quran imejichanga sana na sihangai kwa sababu hata namna ilivyokusanywa kulikuwa na Contradictions nyingi.

Hata kama Quran ingemaanisha kuwa Maria ametoka ukoo wa Haruni na Musa bado haiko sahihi wa sababu Maria anatoka ukoo wa Yuda na sio Lawi ambaye ndiye ameleta kizazi cha akina Haruni na Musa.