I seek guidance please: Is Jesus 100% God or 100% Man?

I seek guidance please: Is Jesus 100% God or 100% Man?

GentleGiant said:
Nimekueleza Maria mama yake Yesu hajatoka ukoo aliotoka Harun,Haruni ametoka ukoo wa Lawi na Maria ametoka ukoowa Yuda.
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Swali ulilouliza ww "mkristo wa sasa hv" kuhusu hiyo aya si geni bali "wakristo walioishi kipindi cha mtume" pia walishawahi kumuuliza mwanafunzi wa Mtume Muhammad (amani na sala ziwe juu yake)

Mughira b. Shu'ba reported: "When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read "O sister of Harun (Aaron)" (i. e. Mary) in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab), Book 025, Number 5326)"
 
Kwahiyo Quran haijajichanganya ila ninyi ndio mnajichanganya cuz hamjui historical backgrounds za mila za wayahudi. Hapa Quran inazidi kuonesha utukufu wake cuz imeingia deep sana kuonesha mila na desturi za wayahudi wa zamani.

Kilichomaanishwa hapo ni kuwa Harun ni kaka wa Maryam kiimani na si kibaiolojia kama mnavyodhani.

Quran imeeleza vizuri kuwa Yesu alitumwa kwa kizazi cha wana wa Israel miaka mingi baada ya kuja kwa Musa na Harun

Kasome aya hizi kwenye Quran zitakusaidia

3:49-51, 5:46, 5:72, 43:59, 61:6, 61:14, 4:171, 5:75, 43:59, 42:13, 4:172, 19:30, 43:64, 43:63, 3:52-54, 5:111-113, 57:27, 61:14, 61:6
 
Tipstipstor said:
Swali ulilouliza ww "mkristo wa sasa hv" kuhusu hiyo aya si geni bali "wakristo walioishi kipindi cha mtume" pia walishawahi kumuuliza mwanafunzi wa Mtume Muhammad (amani na sala ziwe juu yake)

Mughira b. Shu'ba reported: "When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read "O sister of Harun (Aaron)" (i. e. Mary) in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab), Book 025, Number 5326)"
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Ni yeye ndo aliyeleta Quran hii yenye hizo contradiction unategemea angewajibuje? Lakini the fact remains Maria hana uhusiano na Haruni kabisa.
 
Tipstipstor said:
Kwahiyo Quran haijajichanganya ila ninyi ndio mnajichanganya cuz hamjui historical backgrounds za mila za wayahudi. Hapa Quran inazidi kuonesha utukufu wake cuz imeingia deep sana kuonesha mila na desturi za wayahudi wa zamani.

Kilichomaanishwa hapo ni kuwa Harun ni kaka wa Maryam kiimani na si kibaiolojia kama mnavyodhani.

Quran imeeleza vizuri kuwa Yesu alitumwa kwa kizazi cha wana wa Israel miaka mingi baada ya kuja kwa Musa na Harun

Kasome aya hizi kwenye Quran zitakusaidia

3:49-51, 5:46, 5:72, 43:59, 61:6, 61:14, 4:171, 5:75, 43:59, 42:13, 4:172, 19:30, 43:64, 43:63, 3:52-54, 5:111-113, 57:27, 61:14, 61:6
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Hakuna kabisa hilo swala la uhusiano wa kiimani wa namna hiyo unaotaka kuulazimisha wewe,hii ni contradiction moja tu kati ya nyingi zilizomo kwenye Quran.
 
GentleGiant said:
Hakuna kabisa hilo swala la uhusiano wa kiimani wa namna hiyo unaotaka kuulazimisha wewe,hii ni contradiction moja tu kati ya nyingi zilizomo kwenye Quran.
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Inaelekea hata maana ya contradiction haujui maana yake. Ngoja nikupe mfano;


2 Wafalme 8:26 BHN​

Ahazia alianza kutawala akiwa na umri wa miaka ishirini na miwili, akatawala kutoka Yerusalemu kwa muda wa mwaka mmoja. Mama yake aliitwa Athalia, mjukuu wa mfalme Omri mfalme wa Israeli.

2 Mambo ya Nyakati 22:2 BHN​

Ahazia, alianza kutawala akiwa mwenye umri wa miaka arubaini na miwili, akatawala kutoka Yerusalemu kwa muda wa mwaka mmoja. Mama yake aliitwa Athalia, mjukuu wa Omri.


Umeona hapo "contradiction" ya umri kutoka ndani ya kitabu kimoja. Kuna contradiction zaidi ya 100 kwenye biblia za namna hii na haujibu hata moja.
 
Shadow7 said:
If anyone tries to tell you that Jesus is not God in the flesh close your ears because anyone who believes that blasphemy will not enter into Heaven. Jesus said if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins. If Jesus wasn’t God how could He die for our sins?

Not only your sins or my sins, but everyone in the whole world. God said that He is the only Savior. Can God lie? Scripture clearly says there is only one God so you must believe the Trinity. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 divine persons in one.

These Bible verses are to show and prove that Jesus is God unlike what the Mormons teach. The Pharisees were angered because Jesus claimed to be God. If you claim Jesus is not God what makes you different from the Pharisees?

“Jesus is the only God who has a date in history.”

“Jesus Christ God’s Son died for me. Jesus rose from the grave for me, Jesus represents me, Jesus is for me. Jesus will raise me when I die. Your gods body or your religious body that you worship is still in the grave for he or she is not God. Only Jesus God’s Son is God. Worship Him.

“Jesus was God in the form of man. That’s hard for people to swallow that, even today, that “He was God.” That’s what He was. He wasn’t nothing less than God. He was God manifested in flesh.”

“If Jesus is not God, then there is no Christianity, and we who worship Him are nothing more than idolaters. Conversely, if He is God, those who say He was merely a good man, or even the best of men, are blasphemers. More serious still, if He is not God, then He is a blasphemer in the fullest sense of the word. If He is not God, He is not even good.” J. Oswald Sanders

“We tend to focus our attention at Christmas on the infancy of Christ. The greater truth of the holiday is His deity. More astonishing than a baby in the manger is the truth that this promised baby is the omnipotent Creator of the heavens and the earth!” John F. MacArthur

“If Jesus Christ is not true God, how could he help us? If he is not true man, how could he help us?” — Dietrich Bonhoeffer

“Jesus Christ is God in human flesh, and the story of His life, death, and resurrection is the only Good News the world will ever hear.” Billy Graham

“Either Jesus is the Son of God ; or a madman or worse. But His being just a great teacher? He’s not left that open to us.” C.S. Lewis

“The deity of Christ is the key doctrine of the scriptures. Reject it, and the Bible becomes a jumble of words without any unifying theme. Accept it, and the Bible becomes an intelligible and ordered revelation of God in the person of Jesus Christ.” J. Oswald Sanders

“Only by being both deity and humanity could Jesus Christ bridge the gap between where God is.” — David Jeremiah

“To see what God is like, we must look at Jesus. He perfectly represents God to men in a form which they can see and know and understand.” — William Barclay

“Touching His human nature, Jesus is no longer present with us. Touching his Divine nature, He is never absent from us.” — R.C. Sproul

“God’s nature is revealed most perfectly in the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, as recorded in the New Testament of the Bible, who was sent by God to reveal the divine nature, summarized in ‘God is Love.’” — George F. R. Ellis
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If jesus is realy God is he the who created you in his own image?
 
Shadow7 said:

What does the Bible say about Jesus being God?​

1. John 10:30 “The Father and I are one.”

2. Philippians 2:5-6 “You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.”

3. John 17:21 “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”

4. John 1:18 “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.“

5. Colossians 2:9-10 “For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily. and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.“
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Another name for lucifer is Father of all lies. Whay is he call himself Father?
 
The concept of jesus is god is inconclusive tell me more about the lost years of Jesus. since it was assumed that Jesus was probably working as a carpenter in Galilee, at least some of the time with Joseph, from the age of 12 to 29 there is no story of his life he just disapeared from thin air.

Tell me where did jesus go from the age of 12 to 29. The bible is silent about this. The lost years of jesus means he never existed.
 
QuentinTarantino said:
Well JESUS was 100% human and 100% GOD(this is very confusing of course), open ur minds brethren..... Jesus was born like any other human, he spent 9months in the womb of a woman like any other human, he had to do work(carpentry) to earn money like any other human, sometimes he felt hunger just like any other human....YESU ALIISHI KAMA BINADAMU NA WALA HAKUVUKA AU HAKUKWEPA STAGES ZOZOTE ZA UKUAJI....so he was 100% human and that human soul was the one that died in that cross, UUNGU HAIKUFA(that GODLINESS did Not die)

JESUS was 100% GOD, when he was on earth he forgave the sins of the wicked, and the bible tells us there's only one lawmaker and only one who can forgive and Jesus forgave when he was on earth, he was 100% GOD, the bible says JESUS will judge and punish the wicked and the bible also tells us theres only one judge and one punisher and that is GOD, so tell me how would Jesus fit in that role if he wasn't GOD and he wasn't the lawmaker???

Long story short, Jesus was the one who created this universe and all the things, he was the one that gave moses the ten commandments on mount horeb, he was the one who did all those miracles for the Jews in the wilderness through mosses..... JESUS IS ALL OVER THE OLD TESTAMENT, SOME OF THE PEOPLE AND THE EVENTS WERE PREDICTING THE COMING OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR... EVEN THE SACRIFICIAL SYSTEM WAS POINTING TO JESUS' DEATH ON THE CROSS

Daaah aisee mambo mengi muda mchache, ntarudi badae kuendelea...

IF U DONT BELIEVE THIS WHILE UR ALIVE, ONCE HE HAS RESURRECTED U IN THE DAY OF HIS COMING, HE WILL COME WITH HIS FULL MIGHT AND HIS FULL GODLINESS TO PROVE IT TO U, STAY WAIT AND SEE
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Jesus name was never mentioned in the old testament even a sigle time whqt can you say about that.
 
wakurochi said:
Of coz, but its just to deep for your carnal mind yo grasp.

To deny or accept the dual nature of Jesus you must first start with the way he was born.
In the Quran and Bible Jesus birth was Spiritual. Meaning Joseph the husband of Marry was not the biological Father.
You should have questioned his birth first before venturing in the dual nature bla bla bla

Do you accept that Jesus was born spiritually ? IF you do not accept them then verse 1 cor 2 : 14 which i quoted to u earlier refers to you.
Plain and ckear.


God is spititual ( without body) man is carnal by nature ( has flesh and blood) so
everything spiritual in the Bible must be spiritually discerned by the Spirit of God impatted by God himself to MAN in order to comprehend God's Nature.

Check Math 16:16 - 18
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood,but by my Father in heaven.

So to the likes of you it is wastage of time to even try to explain the complex nature of Jesus.These things are foolishness to you according to the Bible( not according to me pls)
It was even harder for the local people in those day's to
accept him (as the messiah) because they knew his father (Joseph)& mother (Mary). You are not the first one
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Jesus mother worked at the temple of holy brothers and she get pregnat they kick her out as it was a shame for a woman to give birth before marriage. After jesus was born 3 random
Men come with gifts and give marry tjose gifts what is that mean to you?
 
medisonmuta said:
Inaelekea hata maana ya contradiction haujui maana yake. Ngoja nikupe mfano;


2 Wafalme 8:26 BHN​

Ahazia alianza kutawala akiwa na umri wa miaka ishirini na miwili, akatawala kutoka Yerusalemu kwa muda wa mwaka mmoja. Mama yake aliitwa Athalia, mjukuu wa mfalme Omri mfalme wa Israeli.

2 Mambo ya Nyakati 22:2 BHN​

Ahazia, alianza kutawala akiwa mwenye umri wa miaka arubaini na miwili, akatawala kutoka Yerusalemu kwa muda wa mwaka mmoja. Mama yake aliitwa Athalia, mjukuu wa Omri.


Umeona hapo "contradiction" ya umri kutoka ndani ya kitabu kimoja. Kuna contradiction zaidi ya 100 kwenye biblia za namna hii na haujibu hata moja.
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Hizo contradiction za namba zinatokana na lugha ya asili namna ilivyokuwa ikirekodiwa,mikogo ya uandishi ndo ilipelekea kukatokea hii mambo,mfano kutokana na mikogo ya uandishi kuna mtu anaweza kuandika 7 mwingine akadhani ni 1.Wakati wa kubadili hizo document kutoka katika original language kwenda kwenye lugha nyingine ndo hiz changamoto zilitokea. Na kwa sababu Biblia haikuwa ya mchongo wakaweka kama inavyoonekana otherwise wangerekebisha na watu wa leo tusingejua.

Lakini hili ni tukio la kihistoria ambalo halina doctrinal significance,halibatilishi nafasi ya Mungu,Yesu,Ukombozi,na hata lisingetajwa hakuna kitu kingepungua kwenye doctrine za kikistru.

Lakini suala la kusema Mariam dada yake Musa ndo mama yake Yesu hii inatoa tafsiri nyingine kabisa ya kidoctrine kwa sababu Yesu alitabiriwa atatoka kwenye ukoo wa Yuda na hivyo kama mama yake akiwa ni wa ukoo wa Haruni yaani Lawi basi unabii wa kuja Yesu haujatimia na Yesu anapoteza credibility na hivyo Christianity haipo tena. Kwa hiyo suala la Umri wa mfalme ambaye hata asingetajwa kisingeharibika kitu huwezi kufananisha na hili la kusema Maryamu ni ndugu yake Haruni.
 
badison said:
The lost years of jesus is what concerning me he just desapered at the age of 12 and come back at the age of 29 where did he go? He never existed
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Kwa hiyo kwa sababu hawajakupa story yake akiwa na miaka 15 kwa hyo kwa tafsiri yako wewe ha-exist au sio?
 
GentleGiant said:
Hizo contradiction za namba zinatokana na lugha ya asili namna ilivyokuwa ikirekodiwa,mikogo ya uandishi ndo ilipelekea kukatokea hii mambo,mfano kutokana na mikogo ya uandishi kuna mtu anaweza kuandika 7 mwingine akadhani ni 1.Wakati wa kubadili hizo document kutoka katika original language kwenda kwenye lugha nyingine ndo hiz changamoto zilitokea. Na kwa sababu Biblia haikuwa ya mchongo wakaweka kama inavyoonekana otherwise wangerekebisha na watu wa leo tusingejua.

Lakini hili ni tukio la kihistoria ambalo halina doctrinal significance,halibatilishi nafasi ya Mungu,Yesu,Ukombozi,na hata lisingetajwa hakuna kitu kingepungua kwenye doctrine za kikistru.

Lakini suala la kusema Mariam dada yake Musa ndo mama yake Yesu hii inatoa tafsiri nyingine kabisa ya kidoctrine kwa sababu Yesu alitabiriwa atatoka kwenye ukoo wa Yuda na hivyo kama mama yake akiwa ni wa ukoo wa Haruni yaani Lawi basi unabii wa kuja Yesu haujatimia na Yesu anapoteza credibility na hivyo Christianity haipo tena. Kwa hiyo suala la Umri wa mfalme ambaye hata asingetajwa kisingeharibika kitu huwezi kufananisha na hili la kusema Maryamu ni ndugu yake Haruni.
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Hili porojo la kiwango cha lami. Eti mikogo ya kiuandishi ndiyo imesababisha namba zimekosewa? Nipe ukoo wa Mariam kwenye biblia ulivyoorodheshwa kama wa Yesu kuliko kuniambia maneno matupu.
We haufahamu biblia kuna baadhi ya sehemu zimebadilishwa? Unajua lugha ya asili ya agano la kale na agano jipya?
 
Shadow7 said:
If anyone tries to tell you that Jesus is not God in the flesh close your ears because anyone who believes that blasphemy will not enter into Heaven. Jesus said if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins. If Jesus wasn’t God how could He die for our sins?

Not only your sins or my sins, but everyone in the whole world. God said that He is the only Savior. Can God lie? Scripture clearly says there is only one God so you must believe the Trinity. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 divine persons in one.

These Bible verses are to show and prove that Jesus is God unlike what the Mormons teach. The Pharisees were angered because Jesus claimed to be God. If you claim Jesus is not God what makes you different from the Pharisees?

“Jesus is the only God who has a date in history.”

“Jesus Christ God’s Son died for me. Jesus rose from the grave for me, Jesus represents me, Jesus is for me. Jesus will raise me when I die. Your gods body or your religious body that you worship is still in the grave for he or she is not God. Only Jesus God’s Son is God. Worship Him.

“Jesus was God in the form of man. That’s hard for people to swallow that, even today, that “He was God.” That’s what He was. He wasn’t nothing less than God. He was God manifested in flesh.”

“If Jesus is not God, then there is no Christianity, and we who worship Him are nothing more than idolaters. Conversely, if He is God, those who say He was merely a good man, or even the best of men, are blasphemers. More serious still, if He is not God, then He is a blasphemer in the fullest sense of the word. If He is not God, He is not even good.” J. Oswald Sanders

“We tend to focus our attention at Christmas on the infancy of Christ. The greater truth of the holiday is His deity. More astonishing than a baby in the manger is the truth that this promised baby is the omnipotent Creator of the heavens and the earth!” John F. MacArthur

“If Jesus Christ is not true God, how could he help us? If he is not true man, how could he help us?” — Dietrich Bonhoeffer

“Jesus Christ is God in human flesh, and the story of His life, death, and resurrection is the only Good News the world will ever hear.” Billy Graham

“Either Jesus is the Son of God ; or a madman or worse. But His being just a great teacher? He’s not left that open to us.” C.S. Lewis

“The deity of Christ is the key doctrine of the scriptures. Reject it, and the Bible becomes a jumble of words without any unifying theme. Accept it, and the Bible becomes an intelligible and ordered revelation of God in the person of Jesus Christ.” J. Oswald Sanders

“Only by being both deity and humanity could Jesus Christ bridge the gap between where God is.” — David Jeremiah

“To see what God is like, we must look at Jesus. He perfectly represents God to men in a form which they can see and know and understand.” — William Barclay

“Touching His human nature, Jesus is no longer present with us. Touching his Divine nature, He is never absent from us.” — R.C. Sproul

“God’s nature is revealed most perfectly in the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, as recorded in the New Testament of the Bible, who was sent by God to reveal the divine nature, summarized in ‘God is Love.’” — George F. R. Ellis
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Frankly speaking everyone can interpret verses in the Bible the way they suit him and that's why we have many religions
(Protestant, Roman, Sabbath etc)
So without interpreting verses the way which suit you; Could you give us at least three references in the Bible where Jesus said that, he is God
 
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