I seek guidance please: Is Jesus 100% God or 100% Man?

[mulwanaka]

QURAN 5: 116. "And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as Gods besides Allah ?’” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen."

This is anice quotation but some section of Muslims me personally I don't consider them Muslims, just a Cult called Ahmadiyya/Qadianis for them believe that Jesus (pbuh) has already come in the name of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani of India born 1839 died 1908, I consider them as false belief just searching for world recognition and wealthy.

 

[Copolla]

Je ! Baba halisi wa kibaiyolojia wa Yesu ni nani According to Bible.

Jesus doesn't have a biological father(Joseph was his father but not a biological one) Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus, she didn't have sex......Jesus came down from his glory, he left his heavenly kingdom and Jesus himself squeezed himself into the womb of Mary to be born as a human, because Jesus as GOD can not die( he is immortal and omnipotent) he had to become human to die for our sins.

 

[Zeus1]

This thread it's hard to find people from the Madrassa...please next time use swahili

[emoji2][emoji2][emoji2]we jamaa unapenda kichizi kuwashabulia hao wajomba zako

 

[Copolla]

The so called "Son of God", Jesus
Probably never existed.

Brother I would like u to be direct, if he didn't exist say " he didn't " if he existed say "he definitely existed".....don't beat around the bush

 

[Copolla]

Acheni kuabudu viumbe msivyovijua..huyo yesu kristo, yesu wa Nazareth, hajawai na hatowai kuwepo maana aliundwa na watawala wa kirumi kwa kuiba stori za mababu wa kiafrika waliofanya maajabu dunian na kuchukuwa historia zao kwa kuwapa wahusika hewa wa hadithi za biblia ambazo ni Uongo zote hazina ukweli.

Just wait and see, u would be amazed by his glory and might

 

[mulwanaka]

Jesus doesn't have a biological father(Joseph was his father but not a biological one) Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus, she didn't have sex......Jesus came down from his glory, he left his heavenly kingdom and Jesus himself squeezed himself into the womb of Mary to be born as a human, because Jesus as GOD can not die( he is immortal and omnipotent) he had to become human to die for our sins.

You ur confusing every thing so which is which? who squeezed jesus in the womb of Virgin Mary?

 

[mulwanaka]

Very simple, Jesus was 100% God and 100% a Man, like the way you are in different position according to time and place, you are 100% a father, according to position and capability you can be 100% an Husband, You can be 100% a son of your father, You can be 100% an uncle. So Jesus's capability was beyond the nature of human being, He was both God as well as Man.

(Samahan kwa kiingereza hicho)

JESUS WILL REJECT ME IF I WORSHIP HIM, SAYS MY BIBLE

MATTHEW 7:21-23 NOT FOUND IN YOUR BIBLE?

The bible in Mathew 7:21-23 says Jesus will deny and reject anyone worshipping him.

why do catholics and other Christian sects keep worshipping Jesus and his mother.

Nothing will be painful like spending all your time on earth worshipping Jesus instead of the True God he worshipped in Luke 6:12, Matthew 26:39, Hebrews

Read mark 12:29 worship only one God without any partner.

So Jesus was 100% human anyone who worship him is an infedal.

 

[Deshbhakt]

Jesus did not end(dead),he changed into a form of Spirit!

If we are to believe his form changed into a Spirit than why do we still have so many calamities, diseases etc in the world?

 

[Deshbhakt]

This topic is indeed very interesting!

Let us all agree in principle: the Holy books of Bible, Quran, etc were all apparently 'written' by various generations thousands of years ago to which many continue to read and believe, worship its contents. Questions that arise in this 21st century is 'was it true' or 'did this really occur'?
If Jesus was indeed born through a divine intervention of God than why don't we have similar resurrections again?

There could be millions of questions applicable to several other religions around us..

 

[mulwanaka]

This topic is indeed very interesting!

Let us all agree in principle: the Holy books of Bible, Quran, etc were all apparently 'written' by various generations thousands of years ago to which many continue to read and believe, worship its contents. Questions that arise in this 21st century is 'was it true' or 'did this really occur'?
If Jesus was indeed born through a divine intervention of God than why don't we have similar resurrections again?

There could be millions of questions applicable to several other religions around us..

These prophets were from almighty God and the books are devine books, but were interpolated and extrapolated the holy bible in particular, thus the contradictions in the bible

 

[Rwaz]

100% man..no doubt!

And a common man too.

 

[Lowenstern]

what do you have you to say on this incidence?

One story about Jesus in the bible that is confusing and incoherent is the story of the fig tree. Matthew 21:18-19 states, "Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered."

1. Jesus was hungry (God hungry?)

2. He cursed the fig tree because it wasn't bearing fruit.
A).God didn't know the tree didn't have fruit
B). He cursed a perfectly good tree that was only conforming to its nature to bear fruit in the season God designed it to.

3. The Human nature of Jesus overrode his divine nature and cursed the tree.

For me 3 is an incredibly huge problem. His "divine" nature did not stop his human nature from curse.
Nb
Plz avoid your emotions while answering and reasoning this out. plz.

Holy Spirit help anyone who reads this to fully understand.

You can say "Jesus" alone is God, No. Neither does the Holy Spirit is God, No. Even God without these two part He's not full God for God to be called God has Jesus and the Holy Spirit in Him.

God = God + Jesus + Holy Spirit.

Example;
If I may you use mulwanaka as an example; Your self you have three parts which are Spirit Body and Soul; these three complete you as you. But if you separated any of them they become something else that's why we can't separate God with Jesus nor Holy Spirit.

In other words we can't be worshipping Jesus without worshipping God for they are one.

Why did Jesus come to earth? He came that He can pay the price for our sin. Adam and Eve got us into this mess and God tried to get us out of this mess but He couldn't find a way that will be enough to pay that when He look at that price He release His mercy upon us for the payment for sin is deaths Spiritually to physically. So for Him to help us and redeem us from His anger; He release the system of mercy for sin has a price to pay and the highest price is of a human and since human have a sinful nature (from Adam) He come to earth and took our nature (pure not from the seed of man since it has sinful nature) through the seed of the Spirit and lived and died for us.

Why did He die as a cursed though He's not cursed; it's because we though He was cursed as men on earth after sinning at the garden of Eden but Jesus was never a curse for His seed didn't come from a man.

His Blood was innocent.. any man that shed the blood of another being is cursed and that Blood have power over him, just as Cain and Abel; Abel blood spoke from the ground over Cain and Jesus Blood speeks even now (because He ressuracted) over satan for it was his doing.. that's why Jesus has power over satan.. when we go to God with the mention of Jesus's Blood Satan has nothing to say against us.

So Jesus is God Him self.. without forgetting Holy Spirit is God for God is
1. Omnipotent
2. Omnipresent
3. Omniscient

Thank you. God is one in three parts just as we are.. if only Satan would have know that killing Jesus would have brought this redemption he wouldn't have done it..

God Bless you
Apostle & Prophet Rugumamu L.

 

[mulwanaka]

And a common man too.

Jesus wasn't a common man was aprophet of God with devine command and power he did various miracles but that never turned him to be God, taking him to be God is being non believerand a idolator

 

[mulwanaka]

Holy Spirit help anyone who reads this to fully understand.

You can say "Jesus" alone is God, No. Neither does the Holy Spirit is God, No. Even God without these two part He's not full God for God to be called God has Jesus and the Holy Spirit in Him.

God = God + Jesus + Holy Spirit.

Example;
If I may you use mulwanaka as an example; Your self you have three parts which are Spirit Body and Soul; these three complete you as you. But if you separated any of them they become something else that's why we can't separate God with Jesus nor Holy Spirit.

In other words we can't be worshipping Jesus without worshipping God for they are one.

Why did Jesus come to earth? He came that He can pay the price for our sin. Adam and Eve got us into this mess and God tried to get us out of this mess but He couldn't find a way that will be enough to pay that when He look at that price He release His mercy upon us for the payment for sin is deaths Spiritually to physically. So for Him to help us and redeem us from His anger; He release the system of mercy for sin has a price to pay and the highest price is of a human and since human have a sinful nature (from Adam) He come to earth and took our nature (pure not from the seed of man since it has sinful nature) through the seed of the Spirit and lived and died for us.

Why did He die as a cursed though He's not cursed; it's because we though He was cursed as men on earth after sinning at the garden of Eden but Jesus was never a curse for His seed didn't come from a man.

His Blood was innocent.. any man that shed the blood of another being is cursed and that Blood have power over him, just as Cain and Abel; Abel blood spoke from the ground over Cain and Jesus Blood speeks even now (because He ressuracted) over satan for it was his doing.. that's why Jesus has power over satan.. when we go to God with the mention of Jesus's Blood Satan has nothing to say against us.

So Jesus is God Him self.. without forgetting Holy Spirit is God for God is
1. Omnipotent
2. Omnipresent
3. Omniscient

Thank you. God is one in three parts just as we are.. if only Satan would have know that killing Jesus would have brought this redemption he wouldn't have done it..

God Bless you
Apostle & Prophet Rugumamu L.

Man of God answer for me these qns:

1.Is Jesus compelete God ? Or just 1/3 of God ( acomponet of God).

2.Of the three components of God which came first of the other?

3.As you assert that Jesus died for our sins which commited by Adam and Eva after his death did the sin go a way? Ie ( man will eat out of his sweat woman bear pain during birth snake will move on its stomach did that change?

 

[Smart911]

Man made...

 

[Lowenstern]

Man of God answer for me these qns:

1.Is Jesus compelete God ? Or just 1/3 of God ( acomponet of God).

2.Of the three components of God which came first of the other?

3.As you assert that Jesus died for our sins which commited by Adam and Eva after his death did the sin go a way? Ie ( man will eat out of his sweat woman bear pain during birth snake will move on its stomach did that change?

1. Jesus is not God but Jesus and God are one. So separating Him from God is wrong. As He said in John 10:30 "I and the Father are one.”

2. NONE but ALL. The Spirit of God is everything Jesus manifesting on earth doesn't make Him last nor the Holy Spirit. God told Samuel "I knew thee before formed in your mother womb" the means we also existed in in Him before coming/manifesting in this World.and also Jesus said "Before Abraham was I am" this mean He also was.

3. The aim of Jesus Death is not to erase completely our sin but to Restore our Relationship with God.

Thank you, God Bless you.

 

[Lowenstern]

JESUS WILL REJECT ME IF I WORSHIP HIM, SAYS MY BIBLE

MATTHEW 7:21-23 NOT FOUND IN YOUR BIBLE?

The bible in Mathew 7:21-23 says Jesus will deny and reject anyone worshipping him.

why do catholics and other Christian sects keep worshipping Jesus and his mother.

Nothing will be painful like spending all your time on earth worshipping Jesus instead of the True God he worshipped in Luke 6:12, Matthew 26:39, Hebrews

Read mark 12:29 worship only one God without any partner.

So Jesus was 100% human anyone who worship him is an infedal.

Jesus said "I am the way..." And also said "if you want to come to the Father there's NO other way except Him" SO We worship God through Jesus Christ.

 

[mulwanaka]

1. Jesus is not God but Jesus and God are one. So separating Him from God is wrong. As He said in John 10:30 "I and the Father are one.”

2. NONE but ALL. The Spirit of God is everything Jesus manifesting on earth doesn't make Him last nor the Holy Spirit. God told Samuel "I knew thee before formed in your mother womb" the means we also existed in in Him before coming/manifesting in this World.and also Jesus said "Before Abraham was I am" this mean He also was.

3. The aim of Jesus Death is not to erase completely our sin but to Restore our Relationship with God.

Thank you, God Bless you.

My brother all your response are contradicting with your earlier post, what a confusion you ur presenting:
Jesus is not God but you canot separate him with God so what is Jesus?????

Jesus died for our sins but did not erase all our sins hahaha!!!!! So what was the aim of all his suffering on cross?

Am starting to believe this religion is man made, full of dogmas

 

[mulwanaka]

Jesus said "I am the way..." And also said "if you want to come to the Father there's NO other way except Him" SO We worship God through Jesus Christ.

Was prophet Moses not away to God?.....saying am the way to my Father doesn't mean worshiping him, every prophet is a way to God, don't misinterprete his words to make Jesus God, he was a prophet like other prophets all prophet performed miracles like Jesus did.

 

[zebri]

This is anice quotation but some section of Muslims me personally I don't consider them Muslims, just a Cult called Ahmadiyya/Qadianis for them believe that Jesus (pbuh) has already come in the name of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani of India born 1839 died 1908, I consider them as false belief just searching for world recognition and wealthy.

Please if you want to know anything about Islam and Jesus in Islam read the Quran. Its only the Quran that has all the answers you are looking for. Forget about these ahmadiyya, its a sect that even other muslims do not understand, they are actually not muslims in real sense.!! Jesus is yet to come and we Muslims are waiting for him, actually all the signs of the Judgement Day have shown except the bigger signs of which descending of Jesus is one of them.