Battle: Dar es Salaam vs Nairobi

[NairobiWalker]

Violence, killing each other and elections disputes yearly indicate democracy?.

How can you differentiate democracy from tribalism if voting takes place in tribal blocks, that only few tribes are by de factor qualify for presidential position?

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Which violence? There were more deaths in your 2020 elections than in Kenyan past 3 elections combined.

 

[joto la jiwe]

Which violence? There were more deaths in your 2020 elections than in Kenyan past 3 elections combined.

In 2017 over 60 people died from election violence. How many people died in Tanzania 2020 election?

Kenya: Police killed, beat post-election protesters

Kenyan police killed at least 33 people, possibly as many as 50, and injured hundreds more in some parts of Nairobi, the capital, in response to protests following the August 8, 2017 elections

www.amnesty.org

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[NairobiWalker]

In 2017 over 60 people died from election violence. How many people died in Tanzania 2020 election?

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Do you have any evidence for that?

Anyway, in Tanzania in 2020, reported cases alone can be higher than that number and considering Magufuli chocked the media, the non-reported cases are way higher.
Here are just some of the reported ones.

Tanzania: Repression Mars National Elections

Authorities in Tanzania killed at least four people and carried out other serious abuses that marred the national elections in late October and early November 2020, Human Rights Watch said today.

www.hrw.org

Tanzania: Seven opposition supporters allegedly killed | Africanews

A major opposition party in Tanzania is accusing police of shooting dead at least seven citizens amid unrest over alleged fraud on the eve of the country's presidential election.

www.africanews.com

Zanzibar: Opposition claims 9 killed, leader held ahead of polls

ACT-Wazalendo party says Seif Sharif Hamad freed after brief detention amid unrest in the semi-autonomous archipelago.

www.aljazeera.com

At least 11 shot dead ahead of Tanzania's presidential vote

ZANZIBAR, Tanzania (AP) — Police in Tanzania shot dead at least nine citizens amid unrest over alleged fraud ahead of the presidential election, a major opposition party asserted Tuesday, while officials denied it and one of Africa's most populous countries watched internet service slow to a crawl a

apnews.com

 

[NairobiWalker]

In 2017 over 60 people died from election violence. How many people died in Tanzania 2020 election?

Kenya: Police killed, beat post-election protesters

Kenyan police killed at least 33 people, possibly as many as 50, and injured hundreds more in some parts of Nairobi, the capital, in response to protests following the August 8, 2017 elections

www.amnesty.org

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I have watched the whole video and nowhere have they mentioned 60 people were killed in 2020.

 

[joto la jiwe]

I have watched the whole video and nowhere have they mentioned 60 people were killed in 2020.

This is Amnesty Internation report of 2017

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/p...-police-killed-beat-post-election-protesters/

Can you please give me a report from international sources about killings in 2020 Tanzania's election?, not from opposition parties.

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[Simon]

 

[NairobiWalker]

This is Amnesty Internation report of 2017

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/p...-police-killed-beat-post-election-protesters/

Can you please give me a report from international sources about killings in 2020 Tanzania's election?, not from opposition parties.

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Here is your link when I open it. 🚮🚮

And my sources are not from opposition, they are from international media.

AP News
Aljazeera
HRW
Africanews

 

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[joto la jiwe]

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[Mutaitina]

Violence, killing each other and elections disputes yearly indicate democracy?.

How can you differentiate democracy from tribalism if voting takes place in tribal blocks, that only few tribes are by de factor qualify for presidential position?

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Allow me to give a long response.

Yes violence is part of democratization amongst many other, which means its a process to attain the highest goal which is self actualization, for every Kenyan .When the majority of us feel the process was rigged, they will automatically feel disenfranchised and the only way is to take to the streets to face with the oppressor, the gov.

This years election, we are back to the office because most of us feel that the process was free, fair and verifiable. You can simply download Form 34s on IEBC portal. When RAO goes to supreme court again its an opportunity to have a clear path on issues which are still underlying.

On your end ,your system doesn't have basic Tenets of democracy. Its autocratic like that of China. So what the state says you will view it as your basic human right because you don't know any better. But when you shift your governance structure ,be rest assured you will go through the same process as any other capitalist country.

 

[NairobiWalker]

Allow me to give a long response.

Yes violence is part of democratization amongst many other, which means its a process to attain the highest goal which is self actualization, for every Kenyan .When the majority of us feel the process was rigged, they will automatically feel disenfranchised and the only way is to take to the streets to face with the oppressor, the gov.

This years election, we are back to the office because most of us feel that the process was free, fair and verifiable. You can simply download Form 34s on IEBC portal. When RAO goes to supreme court again its an opportunity to have a clear path on issues which are still underlying.

On your end ,your system doesn't have basic Tenets of democracy. Its autocratic like that of China. So what the state says you will view it as your basic human right because you don't know any better. But when you shift your governance structure ,be rest assured you will go through the same process as any other capitalist country.

Huyo nimemprovia they had more killings in their election than Kenya ameingia mitini.

 

[joto la jiwe]

Allow me to give a long response.

Yes violence is part of democratization amongst many other, which means its a process to attain the highest goal which is self actualization, for every Kenyan .When the majority of us feel the process was rigged, they will automatically feel disenfranchised and the only way is to take to the streets to face with the oppressor, the gov.

This years election, we are back to the office because most of us feel that the process was free, fair and verifiable. You can simply download Form 34s on IEBC portal. When RAO goes to supreme court again its an opportunity to have a clear path on issues which are still underlying.

On your end ,your system doesn't have basic Tenets of democracy. Its autocratic like that of China. So what the state says you will view it as your basic human right because you don't know any better. But when you shift your governance structure ,be rest assured you will go through the same process as any other capitalist country.

Can you please humbly mention two or three countries which now are called advanced democratic countries which got where they are now through violence, killings and all sort of uncivilized behaviors like Kenya?, mention only three countries in the entire world

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[NairobiWalker]

Can you please humbly mention two or three countries which now are called advanced democratic countries which got where they are now through violence, killings and all sort of uncivilized behaviors like Kenya?, mention only three countries in the entire world

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Wewe ukiambiwa uprove violence unaingia mitini yet unarudiarudia kuimba violence hapa?

 

[joto la jiwe]

Huyo nimemprovia they had more killings in their election than Kenya ameingia mitini.

Kuna wakati huwa ninaamua kuachana na watu Kama wewe kwa kuhusu uwezo wako wa kujenga hoja ni mdogo Sana.

Kenya human wright watch imesema kwamba 2017 at least watu 24 Kenya waliuliwa

Kenya: Post-Election Killings, Abuse

Kenya’s presidential election on August 8, 2017 was marred by serious human rights violations, including unlawful killings and beatings by police during protests and house-to-house operations in western Kenya, Human Rights Watch said today. At least 12 people were killed and over 100 badly injured.

www.hrw.org

Naomba uonyeshe Tanzania 2020 au 2015 kutoka reliable sources, Kama Kuna watu waliuliwa hata nusu ya hao 24.



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[joto la jiwe]

Wewe ukiambiwa uprove violence unaingia mitini yet unarudiarudia kuimba violence hapa?

Hii ndio njia ya kufikia demokrasia?

Bado ninasubiri unitajia nchi 3 duniani zilizofikia demokrasia kwa njia hii.



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[joto la jiwe]

Huyo nimemprovia they had more killings in their election than Kenya ameingia mitini.

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[Fundi kitasa]

 

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