'Who created God' is an Illogical Question!

[always am a Winner]

Can you prove God exist at all?

Mzee, hulali?

 

[Kiranga]

Mzee, hulali?

Nitalala vya kutosha nikifa.

Hujajibu swali uliloulizwa.

Can you prove God exists?

 

[always am a Winner]

How can you know there is a mind limit using mind?

People can't count to infinity, but they know the square root of 10 cannot be greater than 10.

To be able to know something does not prove that mind has not limit.

Can you read mind of others? Why Newton is a first person to discover gravity concept? Its because much of other people simply didn't know, they probably investigated by unfortunately get stuck!

Can you change Pie into fraction?
We have limits, although as days go on, people cross one limit to the other.

My point is, We can not fully understand the concept of God with the current brain limit.

 

[Kiranga]

To be able to know something does not prove that mind has not limit.

Can you read mind of others? Why Newton is a first person to discover gravity concept? Its because much of other people simply didn't know, they probably investigated by unfortunately get stuck!

Can you change Pie into fraction?
We have limits, although as days go on, people cross one limit to the other.

My point is, We can not fully understand the concept of God with the current brain limit.

Can you understand that 1 is not equal to 2 in base 10 numbers?

 

[always am a Winner]

Nitalala vya kutosha nikifa.

Hujajibu swali uliloulizwa.

Can you prove God exists?

I have proved so many times. Tatizo lako wewe unataka nimshike mkono Mungu nikuletee ndo uamini.

 

[Kiranga]

I have proved so many times. Tatizo lako wewe unataka nimshike mkono Mungu nikuletee ndo uamini.

Wapi unapata uongo huo?

Ume prove wapi?

 

[Nesto E Monduli]

Sisi tunatumia milango mitano ya fahamu. Kama kuna milango mingine ambayo hatukupewa basi tujue ni ngumu kumfikiria Mungu Kwa hii milango mitano. We are limited!!!!

 

[Apollo]

Nashukuru kazi tuliyoanza miaka ile imekamilika.

Watu wanahitaji kusoma vitu tofauti na Biblia na Quran kufungua mawazo zaidi angalau.

Yes. Ndio sababu hawawezi kuwaza explanation nyingine nje ya God-idea.

Kazi mlizofanyia translation zimesaidia kuwapatia watumiaji wa kiswahili vitabu vya kusoma. Good.

 

[UHURU JR]

Nashukuru kazi tuliyoanza miaka ile imekamilika.

Watu wanahitaji kusoma vitu tofauti na Biblia na Quran kufungua mawazo zaidi angalau.

Watu wote hawawezi kuwa wapenda kusoma vitabu vingi tofauti tofauti kama ambavyo wewe au na wengine mlivyo.
Lakini pia kwanini mtu usome vitabu vingi tofauti tofauti ni nini hasa ambacho unakitafuta?

Ikiwa hujui unachokitafuta basi pia hutoweza kukipata.

 

[Apollo]

Watu wote hawawezi kuwa wapenda kusoma vitabu vingi tofauti tofauti kama ambavyo wewe au na wengine mlivyo.
Lakini pia kwanini mtu usome vitabu vingi tofauti tofauti ni nini hasa ambacho unakitafuta?

Ikiwa hujui unachokitafuta basi pia hutoweza kukipata.

Hivyo unapendekeza watu wasipende kujisomea source mbalimbali?

 

[descarte]

Ntakujibu based on laws of science

Twende kwenye second law of thermodynamics, shall we?
"he second law of thermodynamics states that the total entropy of an isolated system always increases over time, or remains constant in ideal cases where the system is in a steady state or undergoing a reversible process. The increase in entropy accounts for the irreversibility of natural processes, and theasymmetry between future and past.

(Wikipedia)


What this means is that katika any system entropy always tends to increase or stay the same. Things move towards disorderliness and not order.

This law itself inakataa many of the theories kwamba sijui there was nothing, then something happened sijui bigbang sijui nini because if that were the case there wouldnt be order in the universe,
From nothing, au hiyo big bang disorderliness ingekuwa inaongezeka from then na tusingeweza kupata the universe ambayo ipo so orderly,

We are able to predict seasons, we are able to predict vitu kama kupatwa kwa jua, vitu kama meteors,
Scientists can go to the moon, they can view other planets because the world is in order


What has caused this order and arrangement?

According to science this order is impossible, because things move towards either the same or a higher degree of disorderliness. That's a law of science which is stronger than a theory


So there explains why there is causality

If we are to believe in science we were not suppoed to be here. We were supposed to be random molecules floating around in the air

We wouldnt have become so perfectly organized into a earth, human beings, animals, plants, stars

There must be a source ya all this order

Of course, science up to know cannot trace the origin of laws of physics but that cannot give legitimacy to theists to presume the super natural being. It can be whatever reason but not God at least.

 

[UHURU JR]

Hivyo unapendekeza watu wasipende kujisomea source mbalimbali?

Hapana. Nachokisema ni kwamba kiuhalisia ni kwamba watu wote hatuwezi kuwa wapenda kusoma vitabu.

Na wenye kupenda kusoma vitabu ni wachache kuliko wasiopenda kusoma vitabu,hapa nazungumzia watu wote na kwa vitabu vyote.

Sasa ikiwa kiuhalisia hali iko hivyo hoja ya kuona kwamba wakristo na waislamu kuendelea na imani zao ni kwa sababu ya kutokusoma vitabu vingi tofauti tofauti inakuwa si sahihi.

 

[Machakosi]

Theoretical physics starts by using the mind and mathematics. It predicts things by using the mind and mathematics. All abstraction.

This is how Einstein discovered Relativity. Sir Arthur Eddington verified experimentally.

This is how Peter Higgs discovered the Higgs particle. It was verified experimentally.

There are other theories, such as String Theory, which are theorized purely from maths and await better particle accelerators than we currently have to be verified experimentally.

WE LIVE UNDER A DOME ON A FLATEARTH. THERE IS NO RELATIVITY

 

[Vivax]

Vipi story ya Shetani, ina uzuri gani?!
Na inamaana wakati Mungu anamuumba shetani hakujua yatakayotokea?

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Taratiiibu unaanza kusogea ( si musa murefu stamina tbc1 akisoma Quran inshallah.

Can you prove God exist at all?

 

[Vivax]

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Yes God exists
Proof he is the one who set you perfectly programmed

 

[Ubavu]

If gravity exists in nature, and we did not know it until Newton gave us the equations to understand it, then we understood gravity and how it works because Newton explained it to us, is gravity a man made idea?

A man made idea is something that man makes up that does not exist in nature, a fable.

If something exists in nature and man gains understanding of it and writes equations and books on it, is that something a man made idea?

Moreover, why should something be good or bad based on whether it is man made or not rather than whether it is true and has utility?

I do not reject the God idea because it is man made. Being merely man made is no ground for rejection. I accept a lot of things that are man made and do not have grounding in the natural world.

Money is a man made idea and I do not reject it. There are no natural laws governing money in the way that there are governing gravity. One could cancel the validity of money with the stroke of a pen in a way that one could not equally cancel the validity of gravity.

Government is a man made idea and I do not reject it. I am atheist, not anarchist.

The nation state is a man made idea and I do not reject it. Even as it separates unjustly and unnaturally the Maasai of Tanzania and those of Kenya based on whims of the Berlin Conference by people who had never set foot in Africa.

Democracy is a man made idea and I do not reject it.Even as it is prone to the rule of the lowest common denominator.

I reject the God idea because it is wrong, inconsistent and self contradicting.

Nakufatilia mkuu nikinyonya elimu yako..!

 

[Vivax]

Who created gravity?
If you can't answer this question , don't ask who created God!

 

[Kurt godel]

Anyway,

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No I think evolution is fact and you claim it to be a theory.
Let us start from that stance, Which reasons do you have to contend that evolution is a theory?[/QUOTE



Tuanze na definitions
Quoted from somewhere
"In the scientific world, facts (or scientific facts) are what one can readily observe. It can pertain to any objective and real phenomenon may it be the falling of the ball after being thrown upwards or other simple observable occurrences. In this regard, the fact is that the ball will fall. More so, if this test is being done repeatedly under a controlled environment that cancels all unnecessary variables the phenomenon would have become a very obvious and undeniable fact. It is considered a fact because it will remain as true even after several centuries unless there is a more rigid and precise way of measuring a certain phenomenon.

On the contrary, theories in science are likened to the explanations to what has been observed. It is relatively greater in weight to what a hypothesis is."

Is Evolution readily observable? No. Hamna mtu ambaye aliweza kuobserve a chimpanzee change into a human being.
Haijawahi kuwa tested and proven kwamba ukimweka nyani hapo baada ya miaka kadhaa vizazi vijavyo watakuwa binadamu. Haiwezi kuwa proven by observation.
Evolution is a theory trying to explain the similarities between man and other organisms structurally and functionally. And just like any theory it has strengths and weakness. And i hate to burst your bubble. It's not a FACT


Unaweza kuobserve kwamba mpira ukirushwa juu unarudi chini, hiyo ni Fact, miaka nenda rudi hata mkirudia mara mia mpira always utarudi chini

Why unarudi chini, ndiyo tunakuwa na gravitational theory. Maelezo ambayo yanaweza yakaelezea fact hiyo

Anyway I have been saying this time and time again that Evolution is not a theory rather a fact. When you check on Oxford dictionary there are two

No I think evolution is fact and you claim it to be a theory.
Let us start from that stance, Which reasons do you have to contend that evolution is a

i

No I think evolution is fact and you claim it to be a theory.
Let us start from that stance, Which reasons do you have to contend that evolution is a theory?[/QUOTE



Tuanze na definitions
Quoted from somewhere
"In the scientific world, facts (or scientific facts) are what one can readily observe. It can pertain to any objective and real phenomenon may it be the falling of the ball after being thrown upwards or other simple observable occurrences. In this regard, the fact is that the ball will fall. More so, if this test is being done repeatedly under a controlled environment that cancels all unnecessary variables the phenomenon would have become a very obvious and undeniable fact. It is considered a fact because it will remain as true even after several centuries unless there is a more rigid and precise way of measuring a certain phenomenon.

On the contrary, theories in science are likened to the explanations to what has been observed. It is relatively greater in weight to what a hypothesis is."

Is Evolution readily observable? No. Hamna mtu ambaye aliweza kuobserve a chimpanzee change into a human being.
Haijawahi kuwa tested and proven kwamba ukimweka nyani hapo baada ya miaka kadhaa vizazi vijavyo watakuwa binadamu. Haiwezi kuwa proven by observation.
Evolution is a theory trying to explain the similarities between man and other organisms structurally and functionally. And just like any theory it has strengths and weakness. And i hate to burst your bubble. It's not a FACT


Unaweza kuobserve kwamba mpira ukirushwa juu unarudi chini, hiyo ni Fact, miaka nenda rudi hata mkirudia mara mia mpira always utarudi chini

Why unarudi chini, ndiyo tunakuwa na gravitational theory. Maelezo ambayo yanaweza yakaelezea fact hiyo[/QUOTE]
"WHAT IS A THEORY? WHAT IS A FACT? Only a theory? Let's look at what 'theory' means. The Oxford English Dictionary gives two meanings (actually more, but these are the two that matter here). Theory, Sense 1: A scheme or system of ideas or statements held as an explanation or account of a group of facts or phenomena; a hypothesis that has been confirmed or established by observation or experiment, and is propounded or accepted as accounting for the known facts; a statement of what are held to be the general laws, principles, or causes of something known or observed. Theory, Sense 2: A hypothesis proposed as an explanation; hence, a mere hypothesis, speculation, conjecture; an idea or set of ideas about something; an individual view or notion. Obviously the two meanings are quite different from one another. And the short answer to my question about the theory of evolution is that the scientists are using Sense 1, while the creationists are - perhaps mischievously, perhaps sincerely - opting for Sense 2. A good example of Sense 1 is the Heliocentric Theory of the Solar System, the theory that Earth and the other planets orbit the sun. Evolution fits Sense 1 perfectly. Darwin's theory of evolution is indeed a 'scheme or system of ideas or statements'. It does account for a massive 'group of facts or phenomena'. It is 'a hypothesis that has been confirmed or established by observation or experiment' and, by generally informed consent, it is 'a statement of what are held to be the general laws, principles, or causes of something known or observed'. It is certainly very far from 'a mere hypothesis, speculation, conjecture'. Scientists and creationists are understanding the word 'theory' in two very different senses. Evolution is a theory in the same sense as the heliocentric theory. In neither case should the word 'only' be used, as in 'only a theory'. As for the claim that evolution has never been 'proved', proof is a notion that scientists have been intimidated into mistrusting. Influential philosophers tell us we can't prove anything in science. Mathematicians can prove things - according to one strict view, they are the only people who can - but the best that scientists can do is fail to disprove things while pointing to how hard they tried. Even the undisputed theory that the moon is smaller than the sun cannot, to the satisfaction of a certain kind of philosopher, be proved in the way that, for example, the Pythagorean Theorem can be proved. But massive accretions of evidence support it so strongly that to deny it the status of 'fact' seems ridiculous to all but pedants. The same is true of evolution. Evolution is a fact in the same sense as it is a fact that Paris is in the Northern Hemisphere. Though logic-choppers rule the town,* some theories are beyond sensible doubt, and we call them facts. The more energetically and thoroughly you try to disprove a theory, if it survives the assault, the more closely it approaches what common sense happily calls a fact." by Richard Dwarkin, Evolution: Greatest Thing Shown on Earth.[/QUOTE]
Kuna vitu mathematicians hawawezi ku proof mfano goldernbatch conjecture.Kurt godels inclompteness theorem yenyewe Ndo iliwaua mathematicians kwa sababu hyo inasema kuwa Kuna statements za hesabu ambazo huwezi prove kuwa ni true au false ila unajua tu kuwa n true

 

[iddy eba]

Kuna maswali ukijiuliza sanaaaaa, mwisho wake unakufuru

Ndo hayo mnayofanya

 

[descarte]

Anyway I have been saying this time and time again that Evolution is not a theory rather a fact. When you check on Oxford dictionary there are two

No I think evolution is fact and you claim it to be a theory.
Let us start from that stance, Which reasons do you have to contend that evolution is a

i

No I think evolution is fact and you claim it to be a theory.
Let us start from that stance, Which reasons do you have to contend that evolution is a theory?[/QUOTE



Tuanze na definitions
Quoted from somewhere
"In the scientific world, facts (or scientific facts) are what one can readily observe. It can pertain to any objective and real phenomenon may it be the falling of the ball after being thrown upwards or other simple observable occurrences. In this regard, the fact is that the ball will fall. More so, if this test is being done repeatedly under a controlled environment that cancels all unnecessary variables the phenomenon would have become a very obvious and undeniable fact. It is considered a fact because it will remain as true even after several centuries unless there is a more rigid and precise way of measuring a certain phenomenon.

On the contrary, theories in science are likened to the explanations to what has been observed. It is relatively greater in weight to what a hypothesis is."

Is Evolution readily observable? No. Hamna mtu ambaye aliweza kuobserve a chimpanzee change into a human being.
Haijawahi kuwa tested and proven kwamba ukimweka nyani hapo baada ya miaka kadhaa vizazi vijavyo watakuwa binadamu. Haiwezi kuwa proven by observation.
Evolution is a theory trying to explain the similarities between man and other organisms structurally and functionally. And just like any theory it has strengths and weakness. And i hate to burst your bubble. It's not a FACT


Unaweza kuobserve kwamba mpira ukirushwa juu unarudi chini, hiyo ni Fact, miaka nenda rudi hata mkirudia mara mia mpira always utarudi chini

Why unarudi chini, ndiyo tunakuwa na gravitational theory. Maelezo ambayo yanaweza yakaelezea fact hiyo

"WHAT IS A THEORY? WHAT IS A FACT? Only a theory? Let's look at what 'theory' means. The Oxford English Dictionary gives two meanings (actually more, but these are the two that matter here). Theory, Sense 1: A scheme or system of ideas or statements held as an explanation or account of a group of facts or phenomena; a hypothesis that has been confirmed or established by observation or experiment, and is propounded or accepted as accounting for the known facts; a statement of what are held to be the general laws, principles, or causes of something known or observed. Theory, Sense 2: A hypothesis proposed as an explanation; hence, a mere hypothesis, speculation, conjecture; an idea or set of ideas about something; an individual view or notion. Obviously the two meanings are quite different from one another. And the short answer to my question about the theory of evolution is that the scientists are using Sense 1, while the creationists are - perhaps mischievously, perhaps sincerely - opting for Sense 2. A good example of Sense 1 is the Heliocentric Theory of the Solar System, the theory that Earth and the other planets orbit the sun. Evolution fits Sense 1 perfectly. Darwin's theory of evolution is indeed a 'scheme or system of ideas or statements'. It does account for a massive 'group of facts or phenomena'. It is 'a hypothesis that has been confirmed or established by observation or experiment' and, by generally informed consent, it is 'a statement of what are held to be the general laws, principles, or causes of something known or observed'. It is certainly very far from 'a mere hypothesis, speculation, conjecture'. Scientists and creationists are understanding the word 'theory' in two very different senses. Evolution is a theory in the same sense as the heliocentric theory. In neither case should the word 'only' be used, as in 'only a theory'. As for the claim that evolution has never been 'proved', proof is a notion that scientists have been intimidated into mistrusting. Influential philosophers tell us we can't prove anything in science. Mathematicians can prove things - according to one strict view, they are the only people who can - but the best that scientists can do is fail to disprove things while pointing to how hard they tried. Even the undisputed theory that the moon is smaller than the sun cannot, to the satisfaction of a certain kind of philosopher, be proved in the way that, for example, the Pythagorean Theorem can be proved. But massive accretions of evidence support it so strongly that to deny it the status of 'fact' seems ridiculous to all but pedants. The same is true of evolution. Evolution is a fact in the same sense as it is a fact that Paris is in the Northern Hemisphere. Though logic-choppers rule the town,* some theories are beyond sensible doubt, and we call them facts. The more energetically and thoroughly you try to disprove a theory, if it survives the assault, the more closely it approaches what common sense happily calls a fact." by Richard Dwarkin, Evolution: Greatest Thing Shown on Earth.[/QUOTE]
Kuna vitu mathematicians hawawezi ku proof mfano goldernbatch conjecture.Kurt godels inclompteness theorem yenyewe Ndo iliwaua mathematicians kwa sababu hyo inasema kuwa Kuna statements za hesabu ambazo huwezi prove kuwa ni true au false ila unajua tu kuwa n true[/QUOTE]
I am sorry, I can't make sense of what you said
"You can't prove whether it is true or false but one can know that it is true!" What is the meaning of this sentence.