'Who created God' is an Illogical Question!

[Apollo]

What is the relevance of these questions?

Do you want to be able to study the mind without using the mind or instruments made by the mind for that study to be valid?

It is impossible to understand the mind with the use of instruments. Actually all instruments are mind made. Their knowledge is obtained from our own minds.

The best way to understand the mind is with itself directly.

My point and the relevance of my questions:
The way we want to understand the universe and its reality with something from our own minds.

If we will understand our minds we will understand the external world.

The best way to study anything is to understand your instrument and its measurements and how's, before testing anything.

We should know whats microscope and its features and how it can magnify micro objects as we see. So we can give trusts in its reality, clearly and with confidence.

 

[Kiranga]

It is impossible to understand the mind with any instrument. Actually all instruments are mind made. Their knowledge is obtained from our own minds.

The best way to understand the mind is with itself directly.

My point and the relevance of my questions:
The way we want to understand the universe and its reality with something from our own minds.

If we will understand our minds we will understand the external world.

The best way to study anything is to understand your instrument and its measurements and how's, before testing anything.

We should know whats microscope and its features and how it can magnify micro objects as we see. So we can trust in its reality, clearly and with confidence.

Theoretical physics starts by using the mind and mathematics. It predicts things by using the mind and mathematics. All abstraction.

This is how Einstein discovered Relativity. Sir Arthur Eddington verified experimentally.

This is how Peter Higgs discovered the Higgs particle. It was verified experimentally.

There are other theories, such as String Theory, which are theorized purely from maths and await better particle accelerators than we currently have to be verified experimentally.

 

[Apollo]

Theoretical physics starts by using the mind and mathematics. It predicts things by using the mind and mathematics. All abstraction.

This is how Einstein discovered Relativity. Sir Arthur Eddington verified experimentally.

This is how Peter Higgs discovered the Higgs particle.

There are other theories, such as String Theory, which are theorized purely from maths and await better particle accelerators than we currently have to be verified experimentally.

Our minds are connected to all ideas, theories and instruments. Thats why I say if we don't understand our minds we miss something bigger.

Isn't it?

 

[Kiranga]

Our minds are connected to all ideas, theories and instruments. Thats why I say if we don't understand our minds we miss something bigger.

Isn't it?

True.

But this ever calibrating self examination I talk about does not exclude studying the mind.

 

[Apollo]

True.

But this ever calibrating self examination I talk about does not exclude studying the mind.

Yes.

So, thats the root if some of the Asian religions. I remember kwenye hiyo series alikuta Buddhists carries unique ideas.

Study the mind first, and you can observe the universe clearly.

 

[HansMapunda]

Some of the answers you will never get because you are not GOD. However naweza nikasema kuwa Mungu hufanya vitu logically ingawa hafungwi na logical. Yeye ndiye muasisi wa logic ambayo tunaijua sisi. ( Mungu ni yeye yule Jana, Leo na hata milele).

(Ikumbukwe kuwa kila kitu katika ulimwengu ni logical, we just see some of them illogical because we can't comprehend them using our normal brains).

I knw you will start to ask me questions like 'Can God create pembetatu duara'? I will answer as follow;

Out of our normal logic, its impossible, but, as God is not limited with logic, then we may conclude that God can do anything even things we can not imagine .

You may also ask this question, "Can God create a triangle for which sum of angles are greater than 180°? Then I answer as follows;
1. Degrees is a human invention. Therefore, if a man wanted the triangle to have 1000°, they would do it.
2. In more than two dimensions, (I.e. for example in three dimensions) triangles may have more than 180° logically.

To sum up, our God exist outside our known dimensions and knowledge and therefore, we can not clearly describe his power, authority, and capability. We have to accept him, honour him, worship him, believe him, glorify him, and trust him.

Moreover, we have to ask him to give us the knowledge of him.

To sum up, nataka watu kama Kiranga wa confess kwanza kuwa suala ya Who Created God is illogical question, kwa hiyo sitarajii mtu kuuliza maswali kama ya ' Nani kamuumba Mungu? Au Mungu katoka wapi? Hiyo ni kwa sababu Mungu hajatoka popote. Yupo milele, hana MWANZO, hana MWISHO!

Mkuu safi sana umeongea vema nawaonea huruma sana atheists mara nyingi wanafika sehemu wanakwama lakini ukiwauliza bado hawataki kuwa kuna Mungu ambae ameuumba ulimwengu na kuuweka katika jinsi ambayo viumbe tunaishi.

 

[Kiranga]

Yes.

So, thats the root if some of the Asian religions. I remember kwenye hiyo series alikuta Buddhists carries unique ideas.

Study the mind first, and you can observe the universe clearly.

Buddhists dismiss the idea of studying the origin of the universe as entirely insignificant. The Buddha dismissed this question.

I have studied Buddhism under Rev. Pannasekara. I believe he is in South Africa now.He wanted me to be a Buddhist monk. But like the Gautama dilemma, I faced conquering the secular world or the spiritual one. Wall St. called at the same time and I chose the secular world.

 

[Kiranga]

Mkuu safi sana umeongea vema nawaonea huruma sana atheists mara nyingi wanafika sehemu wanakwama lakini ukiwauliza bado hawataki kuwa kuna Mungu ambae ameuumba ulimwengu na kuuweka katika jinsi ambayo viumbe tunaishi.

Hujathibitisha Mungu yupo.

 

[UHURU JR]

Hivi inahitaji kujua mambo mengi kuhusu ulimwengu ili kusema kuwa hakuna mungu?

 

[Apollo]

Buddhists dismiss the idea of studying the origin of the universe as entirely insignificant. The Buddha dismissed this question.

I have studied Buddhism under Rev. Pannasekara. I believe he is in South Africa now.He wanted me to be a Buddhist monk. But like the Gautama dilemma, I faced conquering the secular world or the spiritual one. Wall St. called at the same time and I chose the secular world.

He is in Tanzania now. I knows him.

It's okay with any choice that you have decided to take.

But I finds the Idea of Buddhism is making sense to me. We try to think we understands the outside, but without understand the source of our views and what we call reality, we can understand the reality as it is.

All of ideas of science, religions and myths springs from our minds. To understand it ni significance kubwa zaidi kabla ya kutafuta nje.

Kutambua kifaa au chombo unachotaka kukitambua ni vyema kwanza, kabla ya kutaka kutambua kitu kwa chombo usichokitambua vyema.

 

[Kiranga]

He is in Tanzania now. I knows him.

It's okay with any choice that you have decided to take.

But I finds the Idea of Buddhism is making sense to me. We try to think we understands the outside, but without understand the source of our views and what we call reality, we can understand the reality as it is.

All of ideas of science, religions and myths springs from our minds. To understand it ni significance kubwa zaidi kabla ya kutafuta nje.

Kutambua kifaa au chombo unachotaka kukitambua ni vyema kwanza, kabla ya kutaka kutambua kitu kwa chombo usichokitambua vyema.

Buddhism makes better sense than most religions. The encouragement of inquiry in itself sets it apart. Einstein was also of this opinion I believe.

I am glad to know Rev. Pannasekara is back in Dar. I devoured countless books from the Mindu library, I even started translating The Dhammapada into Swahili with Andrew Nyerere there. Then I left for the US at about that time.

I will look him up.

 

[Apollo]

Buddhism makes better sense than most religions. The encouragement of inquiry in itself sets it apart. Einstein was also of this opinion I believe.

I am glad to know Rev. Pannasekara is back in Dar. I devoured countless books from the Mindu library, I even started translating The Dhammapada into Swahili with Andrew Nyerere there. Then I left for the US at about that time.

I will look him up.

Thank you.

I have translated The Full version of Dhammapada. Hopefully this year, vitabu vitakwepo vimechapishwa.

Pia library ipo na bado watu wanapewa vitabu.

Now there is a big centre for Meditation and Yoga classes.

 

[Kiranga]

Thank you.

I have translated The Full version of Dhammapada. Hopefully this year, vitabu vitakwepo vimechapishwa.

Pia library ipo na bado watu wanapewa vitabu.

Now there is a big centre for Meditation and Yoga classes.

Nashukuru kazi tuliyoanza miaka ile imekamilika.

Watu wanahitaji kusoma vitu tofauti na Biblia na Quran kufungua mawazo zaidi angalau.

 

[always am a Winner]

This education should liberate humankind twofold.

1. All shackles impending progress due to the God idea, should be broken. All kings, rulers, high priests, politicians, Popes who control others by using the God idea should be exposed. This will tremendously help humankind progress. A lot of the problems we face today are due to ignorance and belief in a nonexistent God. People should work to find the true root cause of problems rather than resorting to the easy answer if God. For example, if we see changes in the rain pattern, in that we receive less rain, the solution should be to study nature and find the reason in a natural context, not to pray to a non existent God.

2. Humankind can live justly and in harmony by large, as humanly possible, without the need of a God. In fact God oftentimes serves as a reason for religious and political divisions and wars. As we get rid of our ignorance and the need for a God, we will see that it is possible to live a moral and just life without the need of a God and following humane and humanistic principles.

God does Exist!

But even if He was not existing, yet the religion creates more unity and peace than the problems it creates.

Have you thought what could the immature people behave when they came to know exactly that God does not exist? (If that was the case).

I disagree the concept that religion creates more problems than advantages. I disagree the concept that humankind will live more happily if they knw God does not exist. You just don't know exactly what stability and order the religion creates!

 

[always am a Winner]

We use investigation, we use logic, we use inquiry, we use reflection, we use an ever recalibrated convergence towards ever reviewed truth.

Einstein's theory of relativity is over 100 years old. It has given us the satellite, the GPS and the internet. It is still being reviewed and reconfirmed every year.

It does not need the God idea to stand.

But it need God's established laws of the universe.

 

[Kiranga]

But it need God's established laws of the universe.

Can you prove God exist at all?

 

[always am a Winner]

The mind is being investigated everyday by science. People write Ph.D papers every day, people conduct fMRI to investigate the mind.

You say that you saw "The Story of God with Morgan Freeman", haven't you seen this in that documentary?

How can you say we don't investigate the mind?

We investigate the minds everyday because there are some mysteries of the brain functions we don't know. Then, how could we be 100% sure that this brain is limited and some of things can't be understanded if we at all use only 30% (maximum) of our brain. What does the remaining 70% hold?

 

[always am a Winner]

What is the relevance of these questions?

Do you want to be able to study the mind without using the mind or instruments made by the mind for that study to be valid?

How can you study mind using mind? Its absurd!

You may know few, but there is a mind limit you can not cross.

Bad enough! People don't even understand their minds, yet they want to investigate the God's mind and wisdom. Ridiculous!

 

[Kiranga]

How can you study mind using mind? Its absurd!

You may know few, but there is a mind limit you can not cross.

Bad enough! People don't even understand their minds, yet they want to investigate the God's mind and wisdom. Ridiculous!

How can you know there is a mind limit using mind?

People can't count to infinity, but they know the square root of 10 cannot be greater than 10.

 

[always am a Winner]

Buddhism makes better sense than most religions. The encouragement of inquiry in itself sets it apart. Einstein was also of this opinion I believe.

I am glad to know Rev. Pannasekara is back in Dar. I devoured countless books from the Mindu library, I even started translating The Dhammapada into Swahili with Andrew Nyerere there. Then I left for the US at about that time.

I will look him up.

Taratiiibu unaanza kusogea.