'Who created God' is an Illogical Question!

[Kiranga]

We are discussing about God! Not bible contradictions, its better you start a thread about that. Currently let's discuss a God who is above the bible, who is above religion, who is God of all mankind. God of Jews, Muslims, Christians, other religions and pagans!

So do you agree that the Bible and The Quran are not God's word because they are full of contradictions?

Some people here do not agree to that.

 

[Kiranga]

Study how you was developed in your mother's womb then tell me how can that be explained by Godless/un-intelligent events.

First study the grammar of the language you are using before telling me to study anything.

 

[Kiranga]

This is too harsh nigger, better conversation ikaendelea bila kudhalilisha jina la Uungu

We believe in God, so jaribu kuangalia pande zote mbili, sio kwasababu wewe una logic yako ndiyo udhalilishe jina la Uungu

Take it

Sijakukataza kuamini Mungu wako. Nitatetea haki yako ya kuamini chochote unachotaka kwa mujibu wa Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Lakini ukija kwenye mjadala wa kifalsafa hapa weka mahubiri pembeni na mtete Mungu wako kwa hoja.

Kama huwezi kumtetea Mungu wako kwa hoja, kaa pembeni.

Unaweza kuthibitisha Mungu yupo?

 

[Kiranga]

Mwishowe utasema " To have everything means to have everything including bad heart! So, God is not perfect because he don't have everything!"

The God idea is A contradiction. Contradictions shows lies.The God idea is a lie.

 

[Kiranga]

Another theory!

People can't get enough of creating theories!

Isn't God also a theory? A bad one at that!

Can you prove God exists?

 

[Kiranga]

Pepo unaruhusu mwenyewe kukuingia kutokana na matendo na fikra zako ovu, usimsingizie Mungu.

Unaweza kuthibitisha Mungu yupo?

 

[Kiranga]

Someone who don't believe in God has a volume of things to explain and illustrate than someone who is believing in God. This makes a believer in advantageous position than atheist.

The bible says No one has seen God at any time except Jesus!

God can not be seen by naked eyes. God is so holly! God dwel in inapproachable realm with full of Glory!

Science, which failed to explain how and why DNA work that way, can never describe God.

Can you prove God exists?

 

[Kiranga]

What if God knew all that but let that happen for the reasons we cant currently know?

That means you don't know what you are talking about, you believe in something you don't understand, because it is not there.

The reason you do not understand those reasons is because they are not there, because God is not there.

 

[Kiranga]

Unajua mtu anaweza kukupa jibu, lakini wewe ndo ukaamua kuwa hilo ni jibu au siyo jibu. Kiufupi, muuliza swali ndo huwa anaamua kama amejibiwa au la. Anaweza akajibiwa vizuri sana na akachorewa na michoro mizuri lakini akiamua kuwa hilo siyo jibu, basi siyo jibu kwake.

Unaweza kuthibitisha Mungu yupo?

 

[itara]

Ukitaka kujadili mada na kiranga inabidi uwe na ubao na marker pen ya maana, uwe na speed ya kumwelewa au kumwelewesha, reference au citations zi base kwenye maisha halisi ya huyo mwandishi.

Kwa sentence hizi mbili, na kuchanga lugha hamtoelewana.

 

[Kiranga]

Can you prove God exists?

 

[UHURU JR]

Nimekujibu, tatizo hata ninapokujibu hulitambui jibu.

Mtu akisema hana tatizo na kunywa maji, ana tatizo na kunywa maji machafu kwani yatamletea ugonjwa, mtu huyo kakataa kunywa maji?

Sina tatizo na imani, naona tatizo imani potofu inapohubiriwa kama imani sahihi.

Mtu akisema kwamba katika Euclidean geometry pembetatu ni duara, hapo nitaona tatizo.
That's a contradiction

Mtu akisema kuna Mungu muweza yote, mwenye ujuzi wote na upendo wote ambaye kaumba ulimwengu huu unaoruhusu matetemeko na vimbunga nitaona tatizo hapo.That's a contradiction.

Mtu akisema jua litachomoza kesho ni imani pia, lakini sina tatizo na imani hiyo, hata mimi ninayo pia, ni imani isiyo na contradiction.

Mtu akiniambia kuna teknolojia ya kutuma ujumbe kwenye mtandao wa Jamiiforums halafu ujumbe huo ukamfikia mtu mwingine atakayetembelea Jamiiforums, na kama servers zipo online na ujumbe umekuwa posted atauona, sina hakika kama servers zitakuwa online baada ya mimi kuandika haya, lakini naandika na kuamini zitakuwa online na wewe utasoma.

Ukichunguza utakuta sina tatizo na imani. Mimi mwenyewe kupost messages hapa JF natumia imani.

Nina tatizo na imani potofu isiyo na mantiki ambayo inasemwa kwamba ni imani sahihi.

Yawezekana ikawa upeo wangu ni mdogo ndiyo maana sielewi kama utakavyo wewe.

Mifano mingi uliyotoa ila bado sijaona jibu la kwa nini ulisema huipi sana nafasi imani hali ukijua kuna imani sahihi na potofu?hebu nijibu kadri upeo wangu mdogo ulivyo ili nielewe.

 

[UHURU JR]

Can you prove God exists?

Hebu toa tofauti ya sababu ya kuamini jambo na kuthibitisha hilo jambo unaloamini.

Nijibu kwa kutumia mfano wako wa jua.

 

[Kiranga]

Yawezekana ikawa upeo wangu ni mdogo ndiyo maana sielewi kama utakavyo wewe.

Mifano mingi uliyotoa ila bado sijaona jibu la kwa nini ulisema huipi sana nafasi imani hali ukijua kuna imani sahihi na potofu?hebu nijibu kadri upeo wangu mdogo ulivyo ili nielewe.

Kwamba uwezo wako ni mdogo hilo halina shaka.

Siipi nafasi sana imani kwa sababu imani inatakiwa kuwa ni chanzo tu cha kutufikisha kuujua ukweli.

Hivyo basi, watu wawili wakibishana, mmoja akasema mvua inanyesha nje, mwingine akasema hainyeshi, wawili hawa wakiwa katika nyumba isiyo na dirisha wala mawasiliano yoyote na nje, kitu cha kufanya hapo ili kumaliza mjadala si kusoma Biblia na Quran na Aristotle ili kujua kama mvua inanyesha au hainyeshi.

Kitu cha kufanya ni kwenda nje na kuangalia kama mvua inanyesha au hainyeshi.

Hatuwezi kuishi bila imani, hivyo kuna nafasi fulani imani inabidi ichukue.

Lakini hatuwezi kuishi kwa imani tu bila kutafuta uthibitisho wa mambo kimantiki na kwa kuchunguza mambo.

Umeelewa?

Ningesema naipa nafasi imani sana maana yake kungekuwa hamna haja ya kuchunguza mambo na kuhakikisha na kuvumbua.

Hata hii internet isingekuwepo, kwa sababu inaendeshwa kwa kanuni za fizikia za watu waliochunguza na kuvumbua.

 

[cyhper_kyrpton]

Can you prove God exists?

Before i answer your question, let me say this;
Everything you see, you touch, you hear and feel is energy. your brain just interpret for you to understand... And the proton your eyes detect and give the information of what is in front you is very small part of light spectrum which is visible light, we have microwave,x-rays,gamma rays and radio waves they are all light but your eyes don't detect them...so by say that everything is merely an interpretation and and how can you prove the the existence energy you can not detect but see it effect but also what if your interpretation of the effect is mislead...you may start by question your own existence first because what you see is just small part of you based on the frequency your brain can decode.
So unless your brain or man-made device can decode God frequency that when the world can scientifically prove his existence for now just respect that there is energy that is above your reach of understand and respect that!

 

[Kiranga]

Hebu toa tofauti ya sababu ya kuamini jambo na kuthibitisha hilo jambo unaloamini.

Nijibu kwa kutumia mfano wako wa jua.

Tofauti ya sababu ya kuamini jambo na kuthibitisha jambo unaloamini?

Unataka nikuoneshe kuna tofauti gani kati ya sababu za kuamini jambo na kuthibitisha jambo fulani?

Kwa mfano wa jua, sababu za kuamini jua litachomoza ni kwamba halijashindwa kuchomoza, sayansi imelisoma linavyofanya kazi kwa kuunguza hydrogen mpaka chuma na limepigiwa hesabu ya kuzidi kuwepo kwa miaka bilioni 5.

Lina consistency ya kuchomoza. Kuchomoza kwake hakuna contradiction.

Lakini hayo yote hayathibitishi jua litachomoza kesho.

Inawezekana leo kukotokea black hole karibu na jua ikalimeza jua, inawezekana kuna bursts za gamma rays zenye nguvu zikalilipua jua leo, kesho lisichomoze. Hatuwezi kuthibitisha ambacho hakijatokea bado, kwa sababu hakijatokea, hivyo ninavypanga habari za mikutano ya kesho, napanga kwa imani, sijui kama kesho itakuwepo.

 

[Kiranga]

Before i answer your question, let me say this;
Everything you see, you touch, you hear and feel is energy. your brain just interpret for you to understand... And the proton your eyes detect and give the information of what is in front you is very small part of light spectrum which is visible light, we have microwave,x-rays,gamma rays and radio waves they are all light but your eyes don't detect them...so by say that everything is merely an interpretation and and how can you prove the the existence energy you can not detect but see it effect but also what if your interpretation of the effect is mislead...you may start by question your own existence first because what you see is just small part of you based on the frequency your brain can decode.
So unless your brain or man-made device can decode God frequency that when the world can scientifically prove his existence for now just respect that there is energy that is above your reach of understand and respect that!

All the things you mentioned can be proven logically, mathematically and by experiment.

There isn't a single thing you have mentioned - with the exception of God- that cannot be proved.

Can you prove God exists?

How do you know that God is not just a story and doesn't really exist?

 

[cyhper_kyrpton]

All the things you mentioned can be proven logically, mathematically and by experiment.

There isn't a single thing you have mentioned - with the exception of God- that cannot be proved.

Can you prove God exists?

How do you know that God is not just a story and doesn't really exist?

Not all things i have mention can be proven...you know the darker side of science is that some fact where just theories and repetition of it become fact...for example till today there is an argument over the existence of the moon and a honest scientists will tell you by physics the moon should not exist because an object as heavy as the moon, caught in the earth's gravity, would inevitably come crashing down upon us at immense speeds..the size of our planet should have a smaller satellite but the moon is much larger in fact the moon is bigger than pluto...so dont rely so much on science because even science itself is struggling

 

[Kiranga]

Not all things i have mention can be proven...you know the darker side of science is that some fact where just theories and repetition of it become fact...for example till today there is an argument over the existence of the moon and a honest scientists will tell you by physics the moon should not exist

Not all things i have mention can be proven...you know the darker side of science is that some fact where just theories and repetition of it become fact...for example till today there is an argument over the existence of the moon and a honest scientists will tell you by physics the moon should not exist because an object as heavy as the moon, caught in the earth's gravity, would inevitably come crashing down upon us at immense speeds..the size of our planet should have a smaller satellite but the moon is much larger in fact the moon is bigger than pluto...so dont rely so much on science because even science itself is struggling

OK. The moon does not exist. Fine.

But that does not prove God exists.

 

[cyhper_kyrpton]

OK. The moon does not exist. Fine.

But that does not prove God exists.

either it doesn't mean God don't exist...because you can prove the existence of something when your not looking...your on the different level of frequency...it give you comfort to blind yourself the other side does not exist because its fog and you can not comprehend