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McCain admits regret over Palin pick (Updated)
by David Kasey
Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 05:17:31 AM PDT
Faced with mounds of polling data showing that Sarah Palin has sunk John McCain's presidential campaign, and with a growing number of conservatives throwing Sarah Palin under the bus, I guess it was only a matter of time before McCain threw Palin under the bus himself.
In an exclusive interview on Friday with the St. Petersburg Times and Bay News 9 that will air in full on Sunday, McCain acknowledged that he would be better positioned to win Florida if he had picked Gov. Charlie Crist as his running mate.
Looks like Johnny regrets that he tossed aside his former BFF Charlie so quickly.
McCain said a number of stunning things in his Florida interview.
The most eye-opening of all, of course, was his first public statement to even hint at an acknowledgement that picking Palin as his VP may not have been, um, the smartest move he's made in his career.
McCain admitted that he'd be doing much better in must-win Florida with Crist on the ticket. "Charlie, because he's so popular, he probably would have made a significant difference,"McCain said in an interview with the St. Petersburg Times and Bay News 9.
"I think this would have been a battleground state, except for obviously (with) a popular governor as Charlie Crist is," McCain said.
Along with expressing his regrets over dumping Charlie, McCain also offered his first public statement in which he acknowledged that all is not peaches and cream with Palin.
"Look, this is a tough decision that we made with Sarah Palin."
McCain's comments are real head-scratchers, especially coming as they are at this late stage in the campaign.
From a strategic standpoint, the McCain camp surely knew all along that Florida would be a must-win state for McCain, and even I am willing to admit that a Crist pick would have likely sealed the deal for him down here.
So what did McCain expect Palin to bring to the ticket that would have been worth more than Florida's 27 electoral votes? I have no idea. And why, oh why, would McCain even admit that he'd be doing better in the election right now if he had picked Crist instead of Palin?
I mean, can you imagine Barack Obama going to, say, Ohio and admitting that he'd be doing better in that state if he had chosen Ted Strickland as his VP? Just another sign of the lack of discipline in McCain's campaign, and of McCain's increasingly erratic nature.
McCain's erratic nature was on full display in other parts of the interview too. The St. Pete Times notes that although McCain has been hammering Obama for his paper-thin associations with William Ayers, he refused in the interview to say anything about his own strong, longtime association with one of his major Florida donors and fundraisers (and former Charlie Crist frat brother) Harry Sargeant, who has been accused of war profiteering.
He even channeled his own inner Palin:
"I don't know anything about those charges so I can't make a comment on any of that," McCain said of the latest allegations, strongly denied by Sargeant. "I don't know what they're talking about. But I'll get back to you if you like."
McCain has some homework! That tactic worked so well for Palin in her interview with Katie Couric, I guess McCain decided to use it himself.
McCain also refused to answer questions about whether or not he plans to cut Medicare and Medicaid -- an issue particularly near and dear to Florida's large senior population. Instead, he claimed that Washington was awash in money -- there's plenty to go around!
When pressed in the interview whether his plans for a spending freeze would hurt programs like NASA and Everglades restoration, or mean Medicare and Medicaid recipients would be hit, he insisted vaguely that he would find other areas to cut.
"Anybody that doesn't believe there isn't enough money washing around up there doesn't know Washington," said McCain.
Well Sen. McCain, I guess we can start by getting back that $180 million in excess Iraq war profit from your pal Harry Sargeant.
UPDATE 2:
Speaking of Florida, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton will be appearing together at a rally in Orlando on Monday, to kick-off the first day of early voting in the state. The event is being held at the Amway Arena: gates open at 3, the program starts at 6.
More details from Florida report that Obama and Hillary will also be appearing together in Tampa on Monday, at the Field Stadium earlier on.
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In other words Powell is irrelevant too!!! LOL! It seems in your mind anyone who differs with McOld and does not support him in this coming election is IRRELEVANT!!!!! Even tgose who will vote for OBAMA on 4th of November are IRRELEVANT!!! C ya in 2012 I hope you'll be able to find another candidate who is very different from McOld in order to avoid another landslide.
I think the only regret liberals have is for selecting Obantu against the will of the Democratic constituency. Can you imagine where Hillary Clinton would be at the polls at this point in the race? Hillary Clinton would have been ahead of McCain by at least 20 points. Here you have Obantu forced upon American people by the Democratic elite (the super delegates) and the media but people still haven't accepted him yet. McCain is still breathing down Obantu's neck in the polls. They are pulling every trick in the book to put him in office include voter fraud through ACORN. What will happen if OBantu gets elected will be a backlash from mainstream America. You will see racial tensions like you have never seen before. This is not good for all you Bantus who are supporting OBantu.
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Not this time my friend, they are tired of of THAT corrupt party
Hoping you don't know what you want to present, were you following the primaries?, who had more pledged delegates?, go back and do your homework.
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Ni Wall street Journal walioandika hili. Hata ukigogle McCain family of Teoc.
So he John McCain is associated to slave owners and directly benefited from Slavery!
Two Families Named McCain - WSJ.com
<LI class="dateStamp first">OCTOBER 17, 2008 Two Families Named McCain
Candidate's Kin Share a History With Descendants of Slaves
By DOUGLAS A. BLACKMON
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TEOC, Miss. -- Lillie McCain is watching the presidential campaign from a singular perspective.
A 56-year-old psychology professor whose family spans five generations from the enslavement of her great-great-grandparents to her own generation's fight for civil rights, Ms. McCain appreciates the social changes that have opened the way for Sen. Barack Obama to be the first major-party black contender for the White House.
WSJ's Douglas Blackmon speaks with Charles McCain Jr. and his sister Mary McCain Fluker, descendants of slaves held at the Mississippi plantation owned by the family of Sen. John McCain's great-great-grandfather. (Oct. 16)
But she also has an uncommon view on another American passage. Ms. McCain and her siblings are descended from two of about 120 slaves held before the end of the Civil War at Teoc, the Mississippi plantation owned by the family of Republican nominee John McCain's great-great-grandfather.
In a year when the historic nature of Sen. Obama's candidacy is drawing much comment, the case of the Teoc McCains offers another quintessential American narrative in black and white. For the black McCain family, it is a story of triumph over the legacy of slavery; for the white McCains, it is the evolution of a 19th-century cotton dynasty into one rooted in an ethic of military and national service.
"I think that since we can't undo what has been done, that the most effective thing for us to do is figure out how to put things in perspective and go from there," says Ms. McCain, who holds a doctorate in psychology and teaches at Mott Community College in Flint, Mich. "To harbor anger and hostility and all that is counterproductive."
To Sen. McCain, "How the Teoc descendants have served their community and, by extension, their country is a testament to the power of family, love, compassion and the human spirit." It is, he added, in a statement provided by a spokesman, "an example for all citizens."
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See family trees of the black and white McCains of Teoc, Miss.
The black and white McCain families have long acknowledged their shared history at Teoc, a name that applies to both the plantation and the now-sparse community around it. A cousin of the senator still owns 1,500 acres of the original 2,000. Sen. McCain's younger brother, Joe, and other white McCains have attended family reunions organized by the African-American McCains.
Lillie McCain's family is descended from two slaves, named Isom and Lettie, according to interviews and examinations of family documents, county files and U.S. Census Bureau records. They remained closely entwined with the white family for decades after the Civil War, taking its surname and living close by on land rented from their former owners. Lettie McCain's headstone is still visible in an overgrown graveyard for African-Americans not far from the ruins of the last "big house" on the Teoc plantation.
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Fabrizio Costantini for the Wall Street Journal Lillie McCain's family spans five generations from the enslavement of her great-great grandparents on the Mississippi Delta plantation, Teoc.
According to members of the white McCain family, the plantation in rural Carroll County, Miss., was purchased by Sen. McCain's great-great-grandfather, William Alexander McCain, in 1851, when many of the flat vistas of the Mississippi Delta region in the state's northwest corner were still swampy wilderness. After his death in 1863, his widow and a brother, Nathaniel Henry McCain, maintained the family's position among Mississippi gentry.
William Alexander McCain's son John Sidney McCain ran the plantation and served in local politics, including a term as county sheriff. A son of his, also named John Sidney McCain but known as "Slew," graduated from the Naval Academy in 1906 and began a military life that would eventually supplant the family's long history as cotton barons. He became an admiral and top naval officer during World War II. His son, the third with the same name but known as John S. "Jack" McCain Jr., also rose to the rank of admiral, in the Vietnam War era -- while his own son, Sen. McCain, was a Navy pilot and then a prisoner of war.
Sen. McCain's family lived primarily on military installations around the world. But they remained attached to Teoc, visiting repeatedly during Sen. McCain's childhood, often for long periods. When they went to the farm in the 1940s and 1950s, the future Sen. McCain and his brother stayed in the rambling house, now abandoned, of their great-uncle, Joe McCain, who had become the plantation's owner.
Sen. McCain's younger brother, also named Joe, said that though their father "moved around as the son of a naval officer, he too always thought of Teoc as his 'blood ground' and loved visiting there."
The McCains in the early 20th century were known among African-Americans for relatively equitable treatment of their workers and tenants, especially compared with the abuses happening on many other farms. A visitor to the plantation in 1923 published an account that described "a tradition and a policy of fair dealing between planter and laborer."
"That's how I remember it," said Frank Bryant, 90, a black former Teoc sharecropper.
The 19th century had been a different story for African-Americans in Carroll County. In 1886, after two black men filed a lawsuit against a white man, a white mob rushed the courthouse and murdered more than 20 blacks there, according to court documents and newspaper accounts at the time. They weren't prosecuted.
Earlier still, just after the Civil War, Sen. McCain's ancestors, like many former slave owners, made use of newly passed laws designed to temporarily force some freed slaves back into the control of their former masters. Records in a dusty storage room in the Carroll County courthouse show that in February 1866, Sen. McCain's great-great-grandmother, Louisa McCain, and her brother-in-law Nathaniel filed petitions to take legal custody of three girls under age 15 whom the McCains had owned before emancipation. In court, the girls were identified with the surname "Freedman," a common practice with emancipated slaves.
There is no record of the full circumstances, but thousands of young African-Americans at that time were forced under such claims to return to their onetime masters as apprentices. Those apprentice laws in the South were later struck down.
Once freedom was clearly established, two black McCain families remained close to the former owners. One family was led by the former slave Isom McCain, who was 34 at the end of the Civil War, and the other by Henderson McCain, a 16-year-old at the time of emancipation, according to census records. They raised large families in rented houses next door to each other at Teoc.
The black McCains of today were raised to believe that they were blood relatives of the white McCains, dating back to slavery times. White McCains say they're unaware of any biological connection between the families. A spokesman for Sen. McCain declined to comment.
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Fabrizio Costantini for the Wall Street Journal COMMON GROUND: Lillie McCain's great-great-grandparents were two slaves on a plantation owned by Sen. McCain's great-great-grandfather.
In the 1880s and 1890s, Henderson McCain and later Isom's son, Harry, became trustees of a tiny school for black children, according to records found by a local genealogist, Susie James. In 1922, blacks at Teoc built a four-room schoolhouse with $1,750 they scraped together and $900 from a philanthropy that was helping blacks build schools across the South, the Rosenwald Fund.
Most of the descendants of Henderson McCain left Teoc in the 1950s. Isom's son Harry had a boy in 1885 named Weston. He saved enough to buy a small parcel of farmland.
"He didn't want to be dependent on white people, or needing white people," says Lillie McCain, who is his granddaughter. "He thought it was important to own land. He used to say, 'Everybody ought to have some dirt.'"
Weston McCain's oldest son was Charles W. McCain, who lived from 1916 to 2000. After serving in the Army in France during World War II, he returned to Carroll County and, along with a cousin, bought 160 acres of land.
By then, the black McCains were emerging among the county's most important leaders. Charles McCain was a central figure in the local chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. When civil-rights workers swarmed Mississippi in 1964, the black McCains housed white activists and received bomb threats and harassing calls.
"Daddy didn't want us to roll over and play dead or live as if you are not a person," says Lillie McCain. Her sister Mary McCain Fluker, 53, says their father "would always tell us you are just as good as anybody. 'You are no better than anybody,' he'd tell us, 'but you're just as good as anybody.'"
Civil-rights organizers held secret meetings at the family's church just off the Teoc plantation. The Mississippi Sovereignty Commission, a state agency formed to thwart the civil-rights movement, kept tabs on Mr. McCain, according to commission records. "Daddy was one of the leaders, one of the people out front," says 60-year-old Charles McCain Jr., a retired brick mason and teacher who still lives on the family land.
Lillie McCain remembers seeing Martin Luther King Jr. speak from the back of a flatbed truck in nearby Greenwood. She and her two brothers were arrested at a march in Jackson, Miss., organized by the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee, whose leader, Stokely Carmichael, introduced the phrase "black power." Not long after Mr. Carmichael spoke at the McCains' church, it burned down, during a wave of Ku Klux Klan firebombings. The McCain children remember passing its smoking remains on their way to school the next day.
Amid those events, the black McCain children wondered what must be wrong with white people. "I was thinking, 'How can they kill people and they all go to church?'" says Lillie McCain. "I was just baffled by that."
Sen. McCain grew to adulthood largely unaware of his family's ties to slavery. In a statement, he called the abuses of African-Americans in the 20th century "a dark and tragic chapter in American history" and said that "cultivating the bond between the two families...is important."
In the late 1960s, black McCain children were among those who integrated the previously all-white schools in the county seat, Carrollton. In 1969, Lillie McCain was one of the first two African-Americans to graduate from the integrated high school. Four of the six McCain children in her family served in the military and all six earned college degrees.
Lillie McCain earned a Ph.D. in psychology from Wayne State University in Detroit. Her sister Mrs. Fluker retired after a career as special-education teacher in the public schools from which she once was barred. Joyce McCain became a production executive at General Motors. Delbra McCain Roberts became a registered nurse. Charles Jr. taught bricklaying in the high school. The eldest child, George, became the first black fire chief in the town of Greenwood. Lillie and all of her siblings say they support Sen. Obama for president.
When George McCain was killed in a traffic accident in 2003, Frank Bryant, the aged former sharecropper, invited to the funeral Bill McCain, the senator's cousin, who owns the remaining 1,500 acres of Teoc plantation and lives nearby. It was the beginning of a modern dialogue between the two families as equals. At the service, Mr. McCain stood in the family section with the black McCains.
Write to Douglas A. Blackmon at douglas.blackmon@wsj.com
Nyani Ngabu
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What landslide? Or you're talking about the one in your dreams.....
Nyani Ngabu
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Hmmmm...something is fishy here....either this article is pure propaganda, distortion, or someone was taken way out of context. I just don't believe it.
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Tatizo la hiki chama chenu cha GOP "Grand Ol' Politics" ni kwamba kimepoteza mwelekeo. Ona mtu kama wewe Nyani unayethubutu kusema kuwa Collin Powel ni washed up General...Ona aibu eti. This is the man of integrity...katika watu wote waliokuwa waliotofautiana na G.W. Bush Administration huyu jamaa ameonyesha class. He never went out and publish a book reaping off the administration, he never went to the media and opened his mouth, he never campaigned for Kerry in 2004. He knew he had differences, he knew the administration had let him down with the "false" intelligence which he presented his case for the IRAQ war...those chemical mobile labs never existed. It was Chenney, Rumsfeld who forced George Tenet to purposely lie.
What did this honorable man do...decides to step down.
Sasa basi, kama madai yako ya kuwa this guy is a washed up general, swali langu ni hili...why did McCain sought his endorsement? au hizi ndio zile za sizitaki mbichi hizi style?
Lakini naona this is a trend..na ndio maana vita ya Iraq imefika hapa ilipofikia baada ya civilian leadership inayo/iliyoongozwa na akina Bush, Chenney, na Rumsfeld (kabla hajaja bob Gates)..and other cronies, kila ilipokuwa ikitofautiana na commanders on the ground in Iraq...solution...FIRE THEM. Hawa ma generals...vita ndio kazi zao, sasa wengi wao walitofautiana na strategy na kwa mawazo kama yako waliyonayo hao cronies wa hii administration, they were let go. Unawakumbuka akina..Gen. Anthony Zinni
Maj. Gen. John Batiste, Gen. Paul Eaton, na Marine Corps Lt. Gen. Gregory Newbold. These are courages people....kama alivyo Gen. Powell na wengine wengi. Mimi na wewe hatujawahi ku serve kwenye military kwa hiyo hatujui what kind of sacrifice these people go through.
I think it is very disrespectful on your part to refer Gen. Powell as a washed up General and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Nyani Ngabu
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Intergrity my ass!!! He was Bush's point man for the war. Where was his intergrity then when he lied to the whole world about the war and weapons of mass destruction? I saw him there at the UN Security Council lie through his teeth about the reasons to go to war and here you are saying he is a man of intergrity. Puh-lease....he's just an ass who wanted attention and surely he got it.....
Mkuu Nyani hiyo avatar yako iko bomba sana mazee....kila nikiangalia nabaki kuvunjika mbavu.........kwi kwi kwi kwi
Nyani sasa hivi tunakusanya points tu..........hakuna cha zaidi....ni muhimu kuzima kila aina ya propaganda za Babu yako McCain.......and for the Gen Powell....it is working well
Nyani sasa hivi tunakusanya points tu..........hakuna cha zaidi....ni muhimu kuzima kila aina ya propaganda za Babu yako McCain.......and for the Gen Powell....it is working well
Nyani Ngabu
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Who listens to Collin Powell aka the whitest black man in America anyway.....?
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Tukubali tusikubali Obama huyoo... Anapeta. Ni yeye Nov. 4 na sio nyani...
Susuviri
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WOW!! Ungeandika hii kabla hajam-endorse Obama ningekuamini that you are sincere, like this umebaki kutapatapa! Kwikwiii!
Nyani Ngabu
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Sikuandika hivyo kwa sababu Powell yuko irrelevant. I'm done talking about him. Peace out.
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Punguza jazba Nyani! Nasikia Nancy Reagan anataka kum-endorse Obama, sijui unalizungumziaje hilo, kwikwikiwiiii!
Nyani Ngabu
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That's a lie cooked up by the dailykos....
Umeisikia ya Jusctice Clarence Thomas kutaka kum endorse Obama.....now if this were true it will be a big blow because Justice Thomas is a true doctrinaire conservative unlike the whitest black man in America....
Susuviri
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Kwa kweli hiyo ya Justice Clarence Thomas ni uzushi tu, sijaisikia kabisaaa! Lakini kumbuka ya Powell pia ilianza kama uzushi.... kwikwikwiii!
Aisee Nyani vipi ulipata shida sana kuandika singature yako ya "Miafrika Ndivyo Tulivyo" maana naona you are busy showing your support for Africa!?
Nyani Ngabu
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Hapana bana, endorsement ya Powell haijashtua watu. Huyu bwana sio conservative wa kweli na mara kibao kulikuwa na tetesi atahama chama long before you and I even knew of Obama. He supports affirmative action...sasa ni doctrinaire conservative wangapi wanao support affirmative action? Ndo maana nasema kama ikitokea Clarence Thomas ndio anam endorse Obama kutakuwa na kasheshe bin vurugu....
Wewe hiyo ya Nancy umeitoa wapi? Maana kabibi ka watu kametoka hospitali juzi tu hapa na sidhani kama kako kwenye mood ya kum endorse mtu. Kwanza nadhani kamesham endorse McCain...
Kuhusu Miafrika Ndivyo Tulivyo....well, what can I say? You issue your own verdict on it coz I'm not on a crusade to change anybody's mind, opinion, delusions, fantasies, or pipedreams.....
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