Special kwa wadada wa mmu wenye mambo haya

[Lady doctor]

Lady doctor, umeshindwa kazi! Nilikuandalia ferrari baada ya kazi ila huiwezi..... ndo maana nakugeuka. Achana nae kwani ndoa yeni ina mkataba wa miezi mingapi?

hahahaaa.... Hiyo ferrari niletee tu maana kazi niliyoifanya sio ndogo atii...!
Naona unahamu kweli niachike!

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Lkn mipasho na kuwapangia jinsi ya kuishi watu wengine, nashindwa kupingana na tabia ulizozitaja kwenye post yako ya kwanza.

Hivi kutoa tu maoni ni kumpangia mtu jinsi ya kuishi?

 

[Kiranga]

Sipendi sana kuamini msemo huo (wanawake hawapendani) ingawa unaweza kuwa na chembe za ukweli.

Nisingekuwa na shida kama angetoa ushauri tu bila kuwabeza wenye machaguo au maoendeleo tofauti na yake. Lkn mipasho na kuwapangia jinsi ya kuishi watu wengine, nashindwa kupingana na tabia ulizozitaja kwenye post yako ya kwanza.

Hawana kazi hao, mie nabadilisha tunes kutoa Bunny Wailer kwenda kwa Dally Kimoko (bana ba Kinshasa oyee), one of the great African guitarists ever.

Easy like Sunday morning.

You only live once.Why overly concern oneself about the lives of people who do not know oneself and could give a rat's tail about what one thinks beats me.

At this point ukianzisha debate ya nani mkali kati ya Diblo Dibala na Dally Kimoko ntakuona wa maana kuliko hizi jibes, angalau utakuwa unazungumzia uchambuzi wa sanaa na utamaduni katika muziki.

cc Mwali

 

[Kiranga]

Hivi kutoa tu maoni ni kumpangia mtu jinsi ya kuishi?

This sadly simplistic, condescending, comeuppance seeking vitriolic vile of a post, thinly disguised as advice though really a licentious bout of "lording it over them" with absolutely no iota of savoir-faire, is hardly "kutoa maoni" tu. Na hata maoni yana tolewa kwa msingi.

Hii ni special kwa wadada wa kibongo hasa wale wenye vitambi, fanyeni mazoezi mchome hayo mafuta tumboni, hivi huwa mnajisikiaje kuwa na kitambi kama dume? mavitambi mengine mnajitakia, utakuta mdada asubuhi anaamkia michemsho, mitori, supu karibia nusu kilo ya nyama jamani kweli hapo kitambi utakiepuka? Mchana na jioni ni bia na nyama choma. Wengine hata kujizuia wanashindwa wanapokutana na bia za ofa, kwani lazima ukubali kula/kunywa kisa ofa?? Mwanamke shuti kuwa na self control bwana, jipimie kwa ajili ya mwili wako.

Wengine wanajisifia kwa kushinda bar, hivi hamjui kwamba ni aibu mwanamke kuwa paka la bar?unashindana na wanaume kunywa bila hata aibu? basi fanya mazoezi basi upunguze japo kitambi.

Ninajua mazoezi ni muhimu kwa wote wanawake kwa wanaume lakini wanawake wa miaka hii mmezidi vitambi vya bia.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

This condescending comeuppance seeking vitriolic vile, is hardly "kutoa maoni" tu. Na hata maoni yana tolewa kwa msingi.

Sioni kibaya hapo. Yeye kafunguka tu kwa mujibu wa aonavyo yeye na hajampangia mtu maisha wala kumlenga mtu mmoja.

Huwezi kumpangia mtu maisha kwa kutoa maoni yako.

 

[Kiranga]

Sioni kibaya hapo. Yeye kafunguka tu kwa mujibu wa aonavyo yeye na hajampangia mtu maisha wala kumlenga mtu mmoja.

Huwezi kumpangia mtu maisha kwa kutoa maoni yako.

You are totally ignoring the condescension and inappropriate lording, as if kila mtu anataka kitu kimoja katika maisha.

Mambo mengine kule kujitia urubani wa kutoa ushauri usioombwa tu ni faux pas.

Unaweza kuulizwa nani kakuomba ushauri/ maoni yako?

Na una qualification gani kufikiri maoni/ ushauri kutoka kwako ni muhimu? Hususan kama ni ushauri wa jumla kwa jamii nzima?

Kwa nini wewe ndiye ujione mshika kibendera kutuonesha mstari wa acceptability upo hapa?

Na kwa nini watu wakusikilize? Hususan kwa sababu umeonesha kukosa staha ndogo tu ya kuelewa kwamba mambo ya wengine yasokuhusu huna haki ya wala wajibu wa kuyabeza.

Falsafa nzima ya "none of my business" mbona inakuwa ngumu sana kueleweka?

How are other women's belly girths and beer consumption levels her business?

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

You are totally ignoring the condescension and inappropriate lording, as if kila mtu anataka kitu kimoja katika maisha.

I did not detect a scintilla of condescension nor inappropriate lording over somebody in particular. I took it as a general prescription for a healthy lifestyle. What's wrong with that?

Now, asiyetaka kusikia na azibe masikio na/au asisome. Apotezee. As simple as that.

Mambo mengine kule kujitia urubani wa kutoa ushauri usioombwa tu ni faux pas.

Hii hoja ingekuwa na nguvu tu kama ushauri ungeelekezwa kwa mtu mahsusi.

Unaweza kuulizwa nani kakuomba ushauri/ maoni yako?

Na wewe unaweza kuulizwa kwani hayo maoni yanakuhusu wewe Papa Kiranga?:biggrin1:

Na una qualification gani kufikiri maoni/ ushauri kutoka kwako ni muhimu? Hususan kama ni ushauri wa jumla kwa jamii nzima?

Kwani kutoa maoni nako ni lazima uwe na qualification? Kila mtu yuko huru kutoa maoni yake kwa mujibu wa anavyoona yeye ili mradi tu maoni yake si sheria. Licha ya hayo, tajiriba ya maisha ni qualification tosha kabisa.

Kwa nini wewe ndiye ujione mshika kibendera kutuonesha mstari wa acceptability upo hapa?

Maoni ya mtu mmoja kulingana na jinsi aonavyo yeye si mamlaka ya kuamua mstari wa acceptability unafutwa na kuchorwa wapi.

Na kwa nini watu wakusikilize?

Mbona hata hawajalazimishwa kusikiliza. Kama namna gani si wapotezee tu. Mangapi tunasoma humu na tunayapotezea? Acha watu wafunguke bana. Kama hupendi skip mabandiko yao. Kama hukubaliani nao basi na wewe funguka kwani hujakatazwa wala kuzuiwa na mtu. Si ndo uhuru wenyewe huo...au nakosea?

Hususan kwa sababu umeonesha kukosa staha ndogo tu ya kuelewa kwamba mambo ya wengine yasokuhusu huna haki ya wala wajibu wa kuyabeza.

Wewe hicho kipimo cha staha umekitoa wapi hadi udai mwenzio kakosa staha ndogo? Mbona na wewe umepinga maoni yake? Hiyo haki na wajibu wa kuyapinga maoni yake umeitoa wapi wewe Papa Kiranga?

Au kwa vile wewe ni Papa :smile-big: basi unajiona una haki ya kufanya na kusema chochote upendacho? Kwanza nani alikupa wewe huo Upapa wako? Papa wa wapi wewe? Upanga?

Falsafa nzima ya "none of my business" mbona inakuwa ngumu sana kueleweka?

Wala siyo ngumu hata kidogo. Narudia tena, kama angemlenga mtu mahsusi basi hoja yako ingekuwa na nguvu. Lakini siyo kwenye mambo ya jumla jumla kama hayo ya vitambi.

Yaani watu tushindwe hata kutoa maoni ya jumla kuhusu jamii kwa hofu ya kuingilia mambo binafsi ya wengine?

Kwani tuko Pyongyang hapa ambako mtu pekee anayesujudiwa na kuogopwa ni Dear Leader peke yake?

How are other women's belly girths and beer consumption levels her business?

Maybe she is a fitness enthusiast (like myself) and can't stand the caloric input and in the least the lack of corresponding output that some people are up to their eyeballs day in day out and so she felt the need to get it off her chest. Again, I ask, what is wrong with that?

 

[Binti Magufuli]

I think Kiranga nailed it the hardest.
Let people be, miili yao, vitambi vyao na maisha yao.

Ni mtizamo wako, nauheshimu........Ukweli ni kwamba mimi na wewe kimitizamo hatuanguki fungu moja

 

[Kiranga]

I did not detect a scintilla of condescension nor inappropriate lording over somebody in particular. I took it as a general prescription for a healthy lifestyle. What's wrong with that?

Any uninvited advice/ opinion on a matter that is none of ones business pertains condescension. Uninvinted advice/ opinion on a matter that is highly personal, perhaps even medical is not only condescension or inappropriate, but also far into the terrain of inapropriate busybody-ing.

Now, asiyetaka kusikia na azibe masikio na/au asisome. Apotezee. As simple as that.

Kwa nini asitake kusikia?

Hii hoja ingekuwa na nguvu tu kama ushauri ungeelekezwa kwa mtu mahsusi.

I am dazzled and befuddled over here.

Hii hoja ina nguvu precisely kwa sababu ushauri haujaelekezwa kwa mtu mahsusi. Angalau ushauri ungeelekezwa kwa mtu mahsusi mtoa ushauri angeweza kusema mpewa ushauri yuko katika kumi na nane za kaka yetu, na sisi katika familia yetu hatutaki wifi awe na kitambi.

Na wewe unaweza kuulizwa kwani hayo maoni yanakuhusu wewe Papa Kiranga?:biggrin1:

By definition maoni yote yanayoletwa JF yanamhusu Papa Kiranga.

Kwani kutoa maoni nako ni lazima uwe na qualification?

Kuna tofauti kubwa ya kimtazamo kati yangu nawe. Wewe mpaka sasa unatazama haya kama maoni, wakati mimi nimesema haya hayajaishia kwenye maoni yameenda kwenye condescension na the preachy realm of lording it over them.

Kila mtu yuko huru kutoa maoni yake

Sawa. Except haya si maoni. Ni condescension iliyokosa humility ya kuwafikiria wengine kama ni binadamu wenye uwezo wa kujiamulia mambo yao wenyewe.

kwa mujibu wa anavyoona yeye ili mradi tu maoni yake si sheria.

Kashawekea watu shurti kwenye post, umeisoma?

Licha ya hayo, tajiriba ya maisha ni qualification tosha kabisa.

Qualification gani? Ya kuwashurutisha wenzako belly girth unayotaka wewe?

Maoni ya mtu mmoja kulingana na jinsi aonavyo yeye si mamlaka ya kuamua mstari wa acceptability unafutwa na kuchorwa wapi.

Except masharti si maoni.

Mbona hata hawajalazimishwa kusikiliza.

Kulazimishwa kusikiliza maneno mabaya si lazima ili maneno mabaya hayo yawe mabaya.

Ukibroadcast genocidal hate speech redioni huwezi kujitetea kwamba "sijawalazimisha kusikiliza".

Kama namna gani si wapotezee tu.

Kwa nini niwapoteze tu?

Mangapi tunasoma humu na tunayapotezea?

Ukiona kitu pinda halafu ukakipotezea ni haki yako kama ukiona hela barabarani ukaiacha usiiokote.

Hilo halina maana kwamba mimi nikiona hela imeangukia mtaani haina mwenyewe sina haki ya kuiokota.

Just because you do not pursue all of the posts you think nonsensical, it does not mean I should do the same.

Even prosecutors do not pursue all the cases which they deem worthy of pursuing.

Moreover, I too do not pursue all the posts I deem nonsensical, so what is your litmus test to determine "this is someting worthy of a discussion" and this is "mpotezee tu" territory? You surely do not let everything you disagree with slide by. You are attempting to put on your anti-pope cap in this very thread.

Acha watu wafunguke bana.

Hakuna nilipokataza watu wasifunguke. Mimi natetea kufunguka hata kama ni kufunguka kwa upuuzi tunaoweza kuupinga. Ni kwa kufunguka hivi tu ndivyo sote tunavyoweza kujifunza.

Hilo halimaanishi nikiona simplistic condescension niiachie tu.

Kama hupendi skip mabandiko yao.

Of course napenda, ndiyo maana nikajibu post. Post nisizozipenda nimezisoma na kuzi skip kabla ya wewe kuniambia.

Yeyote anayejibiwa nami post yake kwa maana moja au nyingine nimeipenda.

Hata kama ni kwa maana ya ku expose simplistic condescension tu.

Kama hukubaliani nao basi na wewe funguka kwani hujakatazwa wala kuzuiwa na mtu.

I have done nothing but that this entire thread, nifunguke mara ngapi?

Si ndo uhuru wenyewe huo...au nakosea?

Naam.Na mimi ni muumin wa uhuru. Ndiyo maana sija i report thread ifungwe, na thread ikifungwa nitalaumu ufujaji wa uongozi. Sijamfunga mtoa mada wala watetezi wake kutoa maoni ya upande wao, maana wanaweza kunielimisha kwamba kwa minajili hii na hii mada yao ina mambo ya msingi.

Mpaka sasa hawajanipa lepe la maelezo yakunitosha.

Wewe hicho kipimo cha staha umekitoa wapi hadi udai mwenzio kakosa staha ndogo?

Kipimo cha staha nimekitoa katika kanuni ya kutojiingiza katika mambo yasiyokuhusu, kukunufaisha wala kukudhuru.

Mbona na wewe umepinga maoni yake?

Kwa sababu kayaleta JF yajadiliwe.

Hiyo haki na wajibu wa kuyapinga maoni yake umeitoa wapi wewe Papa Kiranga?

Kanipa mtoa mada kwa kuyaleta maoni yake JF.

Au kwa vile wewe ni Papa :smile-big: basi unajiona una haki ya kufanya na kusema chochote upendacho?

Papa zaidi ya yote ni mtumishi wa wote. Kwa hiyo anaangalia wajibu kuliko haki.

Kwanza nani alikupa wewe huo Upapa wako? Papa wa wapi wewe? Upanga?

Kabla ya hilo, nikuulize "Papa" ni nini?

Halafu mbona unataka kunidhulumu kwa Upanga tu? Hujataja Oysterbay, Kurasini, Sinza,Tabata, Mbezi Beach,Gotham, New Jerusalem,Tokyo,Nairobi, Kampala, Kinshasa,Mwanza, Gambosh ?

Wala siyo ngumu hata kidogo. Narudia tena, kama angemlenga mtu mahsusi basi hoja yako ingekuwa na nguvu.

Specificity is king, why are you touting the lack of specificity as king?

Angekuwa specific tungeweza hata kujua kwamba anazungumzia jimama la sanamu ya Michelin lililompokonya bwana, tukamhurumia.

Lakini kawa general kakosa specificity hatuwezi hata kumhurumia hata kama alikuwa ana vent kwa jimama la "taarab iko huku" la sanamu ya Michelin.

Lakini siyo kwenye mambo ya jumla jumla kama hayo ya vitambi.

Jumla jumla ndo tatizo. Kuwa jmla jumla ndiko kunakolundika vitu na kufanya original thread iwe inappropriate.

Kunawalundika walio na matumbo waliotajwa kama wote wako sawa.Hawako sawa. Ujumlajumla si utetezi.Ni kitu cha kuonea haya.

Yaani watu tushindwe hata kutoa maoni ya jumla kuhusu jamii kwa hofu ya kuingilia mambo binafsi ya wengine?

Except haya si maoni, ni masharti.

Kwani tuko Pyongyang hapa ambako mtu pekee anayesujudiwa na kuogopwa ni Dear Leader peke yake?

Precisely my point. Kwani tuko Pyongyang hapa ambako Dear Leader ana prescribe the abdominal girth to a millimeter?

Maybe she is a fitness enthusiast (like myself) and can't stand the caloric input and in the least the lack of corresponding output that some people are up to their eyeballs day in day out and so she felt the need to get it off her chest.

There is nothing wrong with being a fitness enthusiast. I have a treadmill in my basement and some serious weighs in my garage gym. I do use them several times a week.Not to mention the various calisthenics. But that does not give me the entitlement to vitriol over others just because I appreciate fitness.

Just like I wouldn't want them to vitriol against my exercise regiment and label me a narcissistic gym hampster.

It's one thing to say "If you have an unwanted girth, here is the concoction of water and vinegar to get rid of it and the requisite diet" and quite another to irresponsibly diarrhea over the issue.

Again, I ask, what is wrong with that?

The needless condescension, the oozing vitriolic vile bile, the holier tan thou lording it over.

If one is a fitness fanatic without realizing that fitness is for oneself, and never for lording it over others, they are merely involved in a shallow pageantry and missing the essential nugget of fitness, which is self improvement.

Kuna watu wanajiandaa kuingia ligi ya Sumo wanaozijua wao wenyewe ambazo vitambi vinaweza kuwasaidia, hao nao mtataka kuwapangia abdominal girth kwa viwango vyenu arbitrary?

A central tenet of fitness is discipline of mind. The original post hardly exhibited that.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Any uninvited advice/ opinion on a matter that is none of ones business pertains condescension. Uninvinted advice/ opinion on a matter that is highly personal, perhaps even medical is not only condescension or inappropriate, but also far into the terrain of inapropriate busybody-ing.

Evidently this person saw it differently!

Asante kwa ushauri mzuri.

queeny

And this one

Mazoezi na mpangilio wa msosi ni muhimu sana.

marejesho

kiloleni appreciated it too!

ushauri wa maana sana. big up!

Those are just a few who found value in the counsel.

Kwa nini asitake kusikia?

Kwa sababu kwake huyo asiyetaka kuusikia huu ushauri hauna manufaa.

I am dazzled and befuddled over here.

Don't be.

Hii hoja ina nguvu precisely kwa sababu ushauri haujaelekezwa kwa mtu mahsusi. Angalau ushauri ungeelekezwa kwa mtu mahsusi mtoa ushauri angeweza kusema mpewa ushauri yuko katika kumi na nane za kaka yetu, na sisi katika familia yetu hatutaki wifi awe na kitambi.

Hapana, mimi naona kinyume kabisa na uonavyo wewe. Ingekuwa hiyo uliyoi-characterize kama unsolicited advice imetolewa kwa mtu mahsusi ningekubaliana na hoja yako. Kwa nini? Kwa sababu huyo mtu mahsusi hajamuomba mtu yoyote ushauri na huyo mtoa ushauri kwa kimbelembele chake tu kaamua kutoa ushauri kwa mtu ambaye hauhitaji.

Mrembo by Nature yeye kafunguka in the abstract tu. She didn't mention any names and, in that case, if the cap fits, wear it. If it doesn't, keep it movin'.

By definition maoni yote yanayoletwa JF yanamhusu Papa Kiranga.

Oh okay. Good to know that.

Kuna tofauti kubwa ya kimtazamo kati yangu nawe. Wewe mpaka sasa unatazama haya kama maoni, wakati mimi nimesema haya hayajaishia kwenye maoni yameenda kwenye condescension na the preachy realm of lording it over them.

Well, mtu mwingine anaweza akaja akatazama na akaona katukanwa matusi ya nguoni kabisa. So it all boils down on how one decides to look at it. It's all part of life's wonderful, rich tapestry!

Sawa. Except haya si maoni. Ni condescension iliyokosa humility ya kuwafikiria wengine kama ni binadamu wenye uwezo wa kujiamulia mambo yao wenyewe.

Uzuri ni kwamba hata haya yako pia ni maoni tu of which you are entitled to. Wewe unaona ni condenscension iliyokosa humility wakati wengine wanaona ni ushauri mzuri. So it's all good my dude.

Kashawekea watu shurti kwenye post, umeisoma?

Context is everything. Hiyo shuti [sic] ni ya self-control in the whole context of watching what a woman eats in relation to her bodyweight. Rudia kuisoma tena. Na ninakubaliana naye. In fact mimi naamini ni muhimu sana kwa watu wote kuwa makini sana na vyakula wanavyokula na kufanya mazoezi ili kuhakikisha caloric output yao inaizidi caloric input ili kuweza kuepuka magonjwa ambayo yanaweza kusababishwa na lifestyles hatarishi.

Qualification gani? Ya kuwashurutisha wenzako belly girth unayotaka wewe?

Mbona hakuna aliyeshurutishwa. Hebu rudi usome vizuri alichoandika.

Except masharti si maoni.

Mimi sijayaona hayo masharti.

Kulazimishwa kusikiliza maneno mabaya si lazima ili maneno mabaya hayo yawe mabaya.

Ukibroadcast genocidal hate speech redioni huwezi kujitetea kwamba "sijawalazimisha kusikiliza".

You just commited the fallacy of moral equivalence right there. Ushauri/ maoni ya Mrembo by Nature are nowhere near hate speech for you to liken them to broadcasting genocidal hate speech on the airwaves.

Kwa nini niwapoteze tu?

Kusema ukweli uamuzi wa kupotezea au la ni wako. Mimi huwa nisipoona tija kwenye mada fulani huwa napotezea tu. Lakini kama umeamua kuchangia basi naamini kwamba umeona walau kuna umuhimu wa kufanya hivyo.

Ukiona kitu pinda halafu ukakipotezea ni haki yako kama ukiona hela barabarani ukaiacha usiiokote.

Hilo halina maana kwamba mimi nikiona hela imeangukia mtaani haina mwenyewe sina haki ya kuiokota.

Just because you do not pursue all of the posts you think nonsensical, it does not mean I should do the same.

Even prosecutors do not pursue all the cases which they deem worthy of pursuing.

Moreover, I too do not pursue all the posts I deem nonsensical, so what is your litmus test to determine "this is someting worthy of a discussion" and this is "mpotezee tu" territory? You surely do not let everything you disagree with slide by. You are attempting to put on your anti-pope cap in this very thread.

You are right on everything except the anti-pope part. I'm not anti-pope on this thread. I just have a different opinion from his. Is having a divergent opinion from his the same as being anti-pope? I don't think so. Of all people in here I would like to think he would be the first to embrace diversity of thought.

Hakuna nilipokataza watu wasifunguke. Mimi natetea kufunguka hata kama ni kufunguka kwa upuuzi tunaoweza kuupinga. Ni kwa kufunguka hivi tu ndivyo sote tunavyoweza kujifunza.

Twaib! Hapo sina la kubisha.

Hilo halimaanishi nikiona simplistic condescension niiachie tu.

Na hapo sina la kubisha kwa ni haki yako kama ilivyo kwa wengine.

Of course napenda, ndiyo maana nikajibu post. Post nisizozipenda nimezisoma na kuzi skip kabla ya wewe kuniambia.

Yeyote anayejibiwa nami post yake kwa maana moja au nyingine nimeipenda.

Hata kama ni kwa maana ya ku expose simplistic condescension tu.

Vizuri.

I have done nothing but that this entire thread, nifunguke mara ngapi?

Mara nyingi uwezavyo.

Naam.Na mimi ni muumin wa uhuru. Ndiyo maana sija i report thread ifungwe, na thread ikifungwa nitalaumu ufujaji wa uongozi. Sijamfunga mtoa mada wala watetezi wake kutoa maoni ya upande wao, maana wanaweza kunielimisha kwamba kwa minajili hii na hii mada yao ina mambo ya msingi.

Ni imani yangu kwamna waumini wa uhuru wa kujieleza tupo wengi.

Mpaka sasa hawajanipa lepe la maelezo yakunitosha.

Umeomba wapi maelezo? Maana mimi nilichoona ni wewe kulaani kile unachokiona u-busybody wa watu. Kuna sehemu umeomba maelezo?

Kipimo cha staha nimekitoa katika kanuni ya kutojiingiza katika mambo yasiyokuhusu, kukunufaisha wala kukudhuru.

Mpaka sasa sijaona yeyote aliyejiingiza katika mambo binafsi ya mtu mwingine ambayo hayamhusu yeye. Mrembo by Nature katoa tu ushauri wa jumla kama ambavyo wengine hutoa ushauri juu ya afya kwenye jamii. Hujawahi kuona mabango yanayohimiza matumizi ya mipira ya kiume ili kujikinga na magonjwa ya zinaa?

Kwa sababu kayaleta JF yajadiliwe.

Safi.

Kanipa mtoa mada kwa kuyaleta maoni yake JF.

Sawa.

Papa zaidi ya yote ni mtumishi wa wote. Kwa hiyo anaangalia wajibu kuliko haki.

Ina maana papa hajali haki?

Kabla ya hilo, nikuulize "Papa" ni nini?

Papa ni Kiranga.

Halafu mbona unataka kunidhulumu kwa Upanga tu? Hujataja Oysterbay, Kurasini, Sinza,Tabata, Mbezi Beach,Gotham, New Jerusalem,Tokyo,Nairobi, Kampala, Kinshasa,Mwanza, Gambosh ?

Duh! Umetisha.

Specificity is king, why are you touting the lack of specificity as king?

I'm not.

Angekuwa specific tungeweza hata kujua kwamba anazungumzia jimama la sanamu ya Michelin lililompokonya bwana, tukamhurumia.

Hajawa lakini na mbona wengine tumejua anachozungumzia?

Lakini kawa general kakosa specificity hatuwezi hata kumhurumia hata kama alikuwa ana vent kwa jimama la "taarab iko huku" la sanamu ya Michelin.

Si kila kitu lazima kiwe specific. Kumbuka, context is everything. Morbid obesity is real there is nothing wrong with reminding one another of that scourge.

Jumla jumla ndo tatizo. Kuwa jmla jumla ndiko kunakolundika vitu na kufanya original thread iwe inappropriate.

Tatizo lipo tu pale ambapo wewe unalazimisha liwepo wakati halipo.

Kunawalundika walio na matumbo waliotajwa kama wote wako sawa.Hawako sawa. Ujumlajumla si utetezi.Ni kitu cha kuonea haya.

Lakini yeye hajawalundika wote walio na matumbo. Yeye kawalenga wale wazembe wazembe wenye kujiachia hovyo hovyo kwa kula mivyakula yenye mi calories kibao na kunywa mivinywaji yenye kunenepesha.

Except haya si maoni, ni masharti.

Sijayaona bado hayo masharti unayoyazungumzia wewe.

Precisely my point. Kwani tuko Pyongyang hapa ambako Dear Leader ana prescribe the abdominal girth to a millimeter?

Mrembo by Nature ame-prescribe ushauri tu. Dear Leader huwa hatoi prescription. Yeye hutoa orders tu. Sasa ole wako ukiuke. Utaswekwa kwenye mi concentration camps huko hadi utie akili.

There is nothing wrong with being a fitness enthusiast. I have a treadmill in my basement and some serious weighs in my garage gym. I do use them several times a week. But that does not give me the entitlement to vitriol over others just because I appreciate fitness.

Just like I wouldn't want them to vitriol against my exercise regiment and label me a narcissistic gym hampster.

You are way overstating what she said.

The needless condescension, the oozing vitriolic vile bile, the holier tan thou lording it over.

If one is a fitness fanatic without realizing that fitness is for oneself, and never for lording it over others, they are merely involved in a shallow pageantry and missing the essential nugget of fitness, which is self improvement.

You have a knack of blowing things way out of proportion.

Kuna watu wanajiandaa kuingia ligi ya Sumo wanaozijua wao wenyewe ambazo vitambi vinaweza kuwasaidia, hao nao mtataka kuwapangia abdominal girth kwa viwango vyenu arbitrary?

I said above if the cap fits, wear it. If it doesn't keep it moovin'. Obviously sumo wrestlers weren't intended here....

A central tenet of fitness is discipline of mind. The original post hardly exhibited that.

One can argue that a discipline of the mind to be self-motivated and inspire others to perspire is the central tenet. And that's partly what she was trying to communicate.

 

[Heaven on Earth]

halafu we mbona hutulii, umesahau kuwa mi ndio mshauri wako mkubwa Wakati wa msako wa Heaven on earth na Passion Lady? Sasa wataka unigeukie mimi tena?

hahaaa Eli79 ameanza tena kumvizia my wii

jamani wonders shall never end,my wii na umkatalie tu

 

[Kiranga]

Evidently this person saw it differently!

queeny

And this one
marejesho

kiloleni appreciated it too!



Those are just a few who found value in the counsel.

There are quite a few who did not. And more importantly, even if the whole world thinks that the sun goes around the earth, that does not make it so. The truth need not be democratic.

Kwa sababu kwake huyo asiyetaka kuusikia huu ushauri hauna manufaa.

Hapa tumevuka ushauri, tumefika mpaka kwenye decorum na condescension.

Don't be.



Hapana, mimi naona kinyume kabisa na uonavyo wewe. Ingekuwa hiyo uliyoi-characterize kama unsolicited advice imetolewa kwa mtu mahsusi ningekubaliana na hoja yako. Kwa nini? Kwa sababu huyo mtu mahsusi hajamuomba mtu yoyote ushauri na huyo mtoa ushauri kwa kimbelembele chake tu kaamua kutoa ushauri kwa mtu ambaye hauhitaji.

Mrembo by Nature yeye kafunguka in the abstract tu. She didn't mention any names and, in that case, if the cap fits, wear it. If it doesn't, keep it movin'.

The cap neither fits me, nor doesn't fit me. This need not be a mutually exclusive question. Moreover, as pointed out before, the objection is not on the advice per se, rather on the uncultured condescension.

Well, mtu mwingine anaweza akaja akatazama na akaona katukanwa matusi ya nguoni kabisa. So it all boils down on how one decides to look at it. It's all part of life's wonderful, rich tapestry!

Precisely, and this is the view from my vantage point. Condescension is not a virtue, it tends to distort whatever message there is.

Uzuri ni kwamba hata haya yako pia ni maoni tu of which you are entitled to. Wewe unaona ni condenscension iliyokosa humility wakati wengine wanaona ni ushauri mzuri. So it's all good my dude.

So why the hoopla?

Context is everything. Hiyo shuti [sic] ni ya self-control in the whole context of watching what a woman eats in relation to her bodyweight. Rudia kuisoma tena. Na ninakubaliana naye. In fact mimi naamini ni muhimu sana kwa watu wote kuwa makini sana na vyakula wanavyokula na kufanya mazoezi ili kuhakikisha caloric output yao inaizidi caloric input ili kuweza kuepuka magonjwa ambayo yanaweza kusababishwa na lifestyles hatarishi.

Kwa nini umpangie mtu maisha ya self control kama mwenyewe hataki? Wewe ukiwa na mamlaka gani kushauri hivyo?

Mbona hakuna aliyeshurutishwa. Hebu rudi usome vizuri alichoandika.

Kaandika...

Mwanamke shuti kuwa na self control bwana, jipimie kwa ajili ya mwili wako.

Watu wameshurutishwa kuwa na self control, unakataa hakuna shuruti.

Mimi sijayaona hayo masharti.

Ukiamua kutoona vilivyoandikwa wazi, hutaona tu. Kama shurti lililowekwa wazi kwa maandishi.

You just commited the fallacy of moral equivalence right there. Ushauri/ maoni ya Mrembo by Nature are nowhere near hate speech for you to liken them to broadcasting genocidal hate speech on the airwaves.

The fallacy is imaginary. I did not say that maneno ya Mrembo by nature ni genocidal hate speech.

Nimesema kwamba ukitangaza maneno mabaya huwezi kujitetea kwa kusema sijawalazimisha kusikiliza.

Kusema ukweli uamuzi wa kupotezea au la ni wako. Mimi huwa nisipoona tija kwenye mada fulani huwa napotezea tu. Lakini kama umeamua kuchangia basi naamini kwamba umeona walau kuna umuhimu wa kufanya hivyo.

Umuhimu unakuja katika kuepuka condescension katika ushauri kuhusu watu tusiowajua.

You are right on everything except the anti-pope part. I'm not anti-pope on this thread. I just have a different opinion from his. Is having a divergent opinion from his the same as being anti-pope? I don't think so. Of all people in here I would like to think he would be the first to embrace diversity of thought.

Diversity of thought is well and good. But unsophisticated condescension will remain so.

Umeomba wapi maelezo? Maana mimi nilichoona ni wewe kulaani kile unachokiona u-busybody wa watu. Kuna sehemu umeomba maelezo?

Nimeuliza

Mtu kaamua mwenyewe kuwa sanamu la Michelin, kwa raha zake, wewe kinachokufurukuta hasa nini?

Mpaka sasa sijaona yeyote aliyejiingiza katika mambo binafsi ya mtu mwingine ambayo hayamhusu yeye. Mrembo by Nature katoa tu ushauri wa jumla kama ambavyo wengine hutoa ushauri juu ya afya kwenye jamii. Hujawahi kuona mabango yanayohimiza matumizi ya mipira ya kiume ili kujikinga na magonjwa ya zinaa?

As noted before, the objection is not on the advise per se, rather on the condescension attached to it.

Na hata hayo mabango hayashurutishi. Yanajua kushurutisha si sehemu ya kujenga ushawishi.

Ina maana papa hajali haki?

Hapana, hakuna paliposemwa hivyo.

I'm not.

You are advocating for a banal condescension.

Hajawa lakini na mbona wengine tumejua anachozungumzia?

Umejua au unafikiri umejua?

Si kila kitu lazima kiwe specific. Kumbuka, context is everything. Morbid obesity is real there is nothing wrong with reminding one another of that scourge.

Condescension is a much bigger and silent scourge here.

Tatizo lipo tu pale ambapo wewe unalazimisha liwepo wakati halipo.

Pia ukiamua kutoliona tatizo hata pale lilipo utaona halipo.

Lakini yeye hajawalundika wote walio na matumbo. Yeye kawalenga wale wazembe wazembe wenye kujiachia hovyo hovyo kwa kula mivyakula yenye mi calories kibao na kunywa mivinywaji yenye kunenepesha.

The advise is so general to the extent that it renders itself meaningless.

Sijayaona bado hayo masharti unayoyazungumzia wewe.

Of course hujayaona, umechagua kutoyaona yaliyoandikwa wazi.

Mrembo by Nature ame-prescribe ushauri tu. Dear Leader huwa hatoi prescription. Yeye hutoa orders tu. Sasa ole wako ukiuke. Utaswekwa kwenye mi concentration camps huko hadi utie akili.

Ushauri hauwekewi shuruti.

You are way overstating what she said.

There is hardly a way to overstate such a loud and uncouth carefree condescension.

You have a knack of blowing things way out of proportion.

As you do minimize the evidently obvious.

I said above if the cap fits, wear it. If it doesn't keep it moovin'. Obviously sumo wrestlers weren't intended here....

Sumo wrestlers eat and drink excessively as the target group.

One can argue that a discipline of the mind to be self-motivated and inspire others to perspire is the central tenet. And that's partly what she was trying to communicate.

Entirely too much focus on others. A wise man once said, do not tell others "you are drinking dirty water". Show them your clean water and if they should want to drink clean water from your example, welcome them.

Moreover,there is a difference between bonafide advice and thinly disguised condescension.

 

[Kaunga]

Hivi kutoa tu maoni ni kumpangia mtu jinsi ya kuishi?

Kumpangia mtu sidhani kama anaweza; hata kama angependa, ila lugha aliyoitumia kwa maoni yangu ni ya mipasho na kusuta zaidi as if yeye ni authority wa the way watu waishi.

angalia post yangu ya kwanza, niliobserve machaguo ya maneno yake "janajike"

post niliyofuatia kuijibu pia ilikuwa ya kimipasha "l nailed them" as if anasutana na watu.

Ndio maana nikasupport analysis ya Kiranga jinsi alivyowadescribe watu wa namna ile.

 

[ERoni]

hahaaa Eli79 ameanza tena kumvizia my wii

jamani wonders shall never end,my wii na umkatalie tu

Sasa bibie mbona hivo kunibania? Wewe ulinikubali afu ukanipiga chini.... PL ndo ivo tena, alobaki nani sasa... Lady doctor!

 

[Heaven on Earth]

Sasa bibie mbona hivo kunibania? Wewe ulinikubali afu ukanipiga chini.... PL ndo ivo tena, alobaki nani sasa... Lady doctor!

kwa my wii wangu ushindwe na ulegee kabisa

 

[Lady doctor]

hahaaa Eli79 ameanza tena kumvizia my wii

jamani wonders shall never end,my wii na umkatalie tu

tena ananivizia bila woga wii ndo ushangae na wewe,,,,,,,,,, huyu Eli79 anataka anikoseshe bahati ya kwenda ikulu2015!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Lady doctor]

Sasa bibie mbona hivo kunibania? Wewe ulinikubali afu ukanipiga chini.... PL ndo ivo tena, alobaki nani sasa... Lady doctor!

kama asali uliona chungu, shubiri ndio utaiweza?

 

[miss wa kinyaru]

Hahahaha sina dada wala kaka humu, so hata wakinuna mie haviniumizi.

unauhakika huna dada wala kaka, unanikana mdogo wangu, lakini dada ako niko figa ya uhakika kitu lishe kwangu inazingatiwa

 

[Passion Lady]

jamani.....! Hadi namuonea huruma niikumbuka zile nyimbo zake za kicongo nahisi kummiss tatizo pesa tu ndio hana

hahaaaa!!na ukizingatia kwny
injili hakuna swaga za mobali na ngai
mbona atakoma!!

 

[Passion Lady]

Yaani pacha hilo pepo la jini mufilisi liishie hukoo kwa Bishanga lisimguse kabisa my Arushaone maana ndani hapatakalika

hahaaa!!mjini pesa bana
mapenzi wayapate kwa mama zao!!